S03.E03: Find A New Pond

[Snazzy Daisy]

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A dispute within a family-owned business leads to multiple poisonings, pulling Will and Faith into a tangled web of secrets and corporate intrigue.

Meanwhile, Angie, eager to rejoin the force, makes a discovery at Waldorf Estates.

Air Date: Jan 21, 2025

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:21 AM by Snazzy Daisy

[cardigirl]

Really enjoyed the comedy in this episode. Entire cast was on fire! 
Two thumbs up! 

[possibilities]

I really need Nico to thank Will for taking them in and providing for them even in his absence. It's just not cool to be acting how they have been about it. 

Amanda shopping for Sunny without even consulting her was insane. Who does that?????

Do we think we will see tha handyman again? I feel like they set him up to be in some way an on-going story for Angie. Maybe not. But I feel like we haven't gotten the whole story there.  

I feel like they are kind of muting Faith, and I don't like it. They used to be partners, but now it feels lke Will is kind of dioing it all and she's just tagging along, which I resent. Even Oremwood has gotten more to do than Faith has.

Angie needs to apologize to Will. She doesn't seem to understand that she hurt him, and that he was in a terrible position.It's always been all about her and she's still acting like it should be. And that is wrong.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Betty Maria White Trent is displaying a sign of distress, a separation-related behavior — she nibbles on daddy’s shoes. Betty doesn’t get to see Angie on a regular basis anymore. Tennessee Will used to bring her to work everyday. It’s hard for her to cope when routines change.

Nico needs to stop acting like a child of divorced parents in front of Betty. Betty has enough on her plate already. 😢 

[agathapenny]

1 hour ago, possibilities said:

I really need Nico to thank Will for taking them in and providing for them even in his absence. It's just not cool to be acting how they have been about it. 

Agreed. Especially since it seems like Angie hasn't been in contact with them at all since Will left — at least Will left them with a place to stay and means to live. I get that Nico felt like they lost their family. But it's starting to just be bratty. Hope this was the end of it this episode.

1 hour ago, possibilities said:

Angie needs to apologize to Will. She doesn't seem to understand that she hurt him, and that he was in a terrible position.It's always been all about her and she's still acting like it should be. And that is wrong.

I just find it interesting how Angie and Will's returns have been juxtaposed: Angie is hailed as a conquering hero, while everyone literally threw things at Will and gave him the cold shoulder. Are they trying to make a point about how law enforcement is more than willing to look the other way when it's one of their own and anyone not willing to play ball with that will not be accepted as part of the inner circle? Intentionally or no, that's what I'm getting, anyway.

[Badsamaritan]

Once again, Angie proves to me that as a character, I can only ship her with intensive therapy. Remembering the convo she and Will had way back in the pool, where she said he was more broken than she is. That was very, very wrong. And there is no way she is working her program and steps because she hasn't taken responsibility with regard to the situation she put Will in. Unlike her coworkers, I wasn't happy she just got to come back with no restrictions or qualifications. She wasn't even busted back down to a beat cop, she gets to come back at her prior rank apparently. I don't think this was a good story choice by the showrunners, it makes it appear like Angie just got away with everything and in this climate, in the year 2025, I'm not sure that was a good decision. I'm not happy for Angie, and worse, it's breaking down the veil between a 'tv show' and reality for me because I'm just thinking about how all kinds of fucked up it would be to have a cop like her in real life and there's no way in Hell she should have a badge still, much less be a detective. 

The writers made her storyline and subsequent decisions so awful, and her comeback feels completely unearned, and we're just supposed to go along with that. As of right now, I have no use for the character anymore. And Nico being nicer to her than Will pissed me off too. Angie is the reason multiple people are dead, and Will is the reason you've had somewhere to live for the last 6 months, Nico. Maybe try to act like you understand that. 😒

[dleighg]

When the second and third person in that room started foaming at the mouth, if I were in that room I'd leave the room immediately! Who knows if it's something in the air! It's clearly not a natural situation.

[cardigirl]

Poor Nico. To go from being homeless to having a real family and then see it blown apart like it was is very hard on a young person. They're allowed to be angry and also a bit snarky with Will. Has he been providing for them? Did he consider their basic needs (shelter, food, money)? Yes, but he forgot to include them in any of the decisions that led to Will running away to Tennessee (and they did not know where he was until he came back), so trauma was intense for Nico. Spoiled?  I disagree. Struggling with the reality that maybe the family is not going to get back together and the disappointment that would be to someone who does not have a family. Left to deal with their feelings quite on their own, with no help from Will, would leave a bitter taste in my mouth, for sure.

I loved seeing the police crew work with Angie, and be happy for her to be back. Pulling together for someone they care about is heartwarming.  It does seem too easy, and I fear a bigger fall may be coming for her. After all, Ormewood's role in helping her cover up the initial murder has not come out. (As well as not dealing with Amanda's planting evidence on a really bad guy so he went to jail for something he didn't do. I wonder if they'll address it again this season.) 

Angie is devastated. Getting back to being a detective kept her going after Will turned her in. She thought they were headed for a lifetime together and blinded herself to the time bomb that was Crystal. I agree. I don't think she has dealt with why she did what she did, and I think the show is going to unfold that over the season. So, like anyone would, she's focused on her hurt, and Nico revealed that Will was hurting too, which Angie seemed to consider. (I will say, when my husband blew up our lives, it took me a loooong time to realize he was in pain too, and I'm not half as damaged as Angie.) So maybe part of Angie's journey this season will be toward therapy and forgiveness.  Maybe it will be part of Will's journey too. 

Spoiler

And judging by the previews, communication between Will and Angie might begin next episode.

As always, here for the Betty content, but the comedy of the cast keeps me coming back too.

[AimingforYoko]

9 hours ago, cardigirl said:

Really enjoyed the comedy in this episode. Entire cast was on fire! 
Two thumbs up! 

"The man who details your car has a condo?" "He's quite good."

[fishcakes]

I didn't care so much about the MOTW. Oh no, a family of ultra-rich monsters who've been destroying the environment and covering up for their sex pest brother are killing each other. Me, looking around at the world in general: "okay!"

The wife swan walking along as Angie carried off the dead husband swan was sad but sweet.

When John the handyman was taken into custody, he said he didn't kill Alice Finney and he didn't hurt Alma. Alma was the woman with the black eye, but who is Alice? Is that the 17-year-old he went to prison for killing? If so, I think we are going to see John again because there's more to that story.

I burst out laughing when Angie quit her job and said to the awful HOA manager or whoever she was, "go hump yourself." If the networks aren't going to let characters swear realistically, then it's better to just have them say nothing. "Go hump yourself" made me think of an early episode of 21 Jump Street with a street gang who had kids saying things like, "get the heck out of here!" and "I don't give a darn about that!"

[marceline]

11 hours ago, agathapenny said:

I just find it interesting how Angie and Will's returns have been juxtaposed: Angie is hailed as a conquering hero, while everyone literally threw things at Will and gave him the cold shoulder. Are they trying to make a point about how law enforcement is more than willing to look the other way when it's one of their own and anyone not willing to play ball with that will not be accepted as part of the inner circle? Intentionally or no, that's what I'm getting, anyway.

I admit to being squicked out by the way Angie is being welcomed back as if her actions weren't responsible for Krystal's death. Of course Faith killed a fellow cop and everyone seems to have gotten over that.

[dleighg]

I guess I missed how the bad guy lost his finger?

And why on earth would a (mostly) herbivore swan eat a finger? Without chewing?

[fishcakes]

19 minutes ago, dleighg said:

I guess I missed how the bad guy lost his finger?

I think it got cut off when the equipment shed door slammed on it. I guess that's how the lock on the door somehow got broken.

[mrsbagnet]

17 hours ago, possibilities said:

Amanda shopping for Sunny without even consulting her was insane. Who does that?????

I wish I had Amanda to shop for me! I know a teen wouldn't like that, though.

9 hours ago, dleighg said:

When the second and third person in that room started foaming at the mouth, if I were in that room I'd leave the room immediately! Who knows if it's something in the air! It's clearly not a natural situation.

That was my first thought. Why weren't they all fleeing the room?

Angie getting her job back is BS.

One thing I like about this show is that the female officers get to kick ass on a regular basis. Angie's fight scene was awesome.

Doctor Pete and Franklin are my favorite supporting characters. I don't like how they keep disrespecting Pete. I wanted to see his improv skills.

Edited Wednesday at 09:47 PM by mrsbagnet
Added comments about Pete and Franklin

[tennisgurl]

Angie must have been thrilled that she just so happened to find something sketchy happening so that she could use it to get back on the force, she was almost glowing when she found that finger! I get that Angie thought what she was doing was the right thing with Crystal, but everyone cheering her as a hero when she got her job back like nothing happened is just going to reinforce the idea to her that she didn't actually do anything wrong, even though her actions ended up getting Crystal killed. She and Will really need to have a talk, she really does not see his side of things at all but if they talked I like to think that they could work it out. 

I am guessing that the handyman will come back again, either as another rapist bad guy for Angie to obsess over and probably have to kill, or she'll realize that he never committed the crime he was convicted for and she has to find the real killer. It would be interesting if she finds out that he was framed by some overzealous cop who was convinced that he was guilty and sent an innocent man away and let a killer escape, and she really does have to grapple with what she did.  

The COTW was alright, since none of the characters cared about the case I really didn't either. I was convinced that the sister who lives in Europe was the killer, it felt like her crying and yelling about her family felt really forced, like she was putting on an act for the cops, but I guess it was just a weird performance. 

A lot of really funny lines this week, the whole cast plays off of each other so well. "Brown is part of a color palette!" 

Poor Betty got used to going to work with her dad every day, no wonder she's stressed. 

[peeayebee]

8 hours ago, fishcakes said:

The wife swan walking along as Angie carried off the dead husband swan was sad but sweet.

I loved that, though I kept thinking about how they trained the swam to do that, or if it was something not really involving 'training.'

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I burst out laughing when Angie quit her job and said to the awful HOA manager or whoever she was, "go hump yourself." If the networks aren't going to let characters swear realistically, then it's better to just have them say nothing.

Yup, "Go hump yourself," just sounded stupid, not badass. 

 

5 hours ago, mrsbagnet said:

One thing I like about this show is that the female officers get to kick ass on a regular basis. Angie's fight scene was awesome.

I thought the fight scene went on way too long.

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Doctor Pete and Franklin are my favorite supporting characters. I don't like how they keep disrespecting Pete. I wanted to see his improv skills.

I love Pete and Franklin. That whole scene with the reenactment, or whatever it was, was a lot of fun. Franklin with his accent cracked me up.

 

[Calvada]

I wonder if the handyman was exonerated.  Otherwise how could someone who raped & murdered a 17 year old be out of prison?  Someone who cut out the tongue of the victim?  The guy looks like he's about 40, way too young to be paroled for such a terrible crime.  But then why wouldn't Ormewood tell Angie that when she said she was locked in with John?  Or was there some egregious investigative/prosecutorial misconduct which resulted in his release?  I assume we have not seen the last of John.  

Does Nico have a job?  They seem to have a lot of time to hang out and comment on Will's wardrobe choices, take care of Betty, take her to the vet, take her to visit Angie, etc.  

[DearEvette]

This was a great episode. The writing was popping and the cast was on fire.

Peter and especially Frank were MVPs. From the scene where they are 'autopsying' the swan:

"This is Nasty"

"I hate it here"

"I’mma shoot everyone in this room"

and of course the re-enactment scene was so fun from Frank deciding to be British, to Ormewood thinking he was a 'trapist' to Pete being disgruntled at not being able to use his improv skills.

I liked Angie's case more than the A-plot case, but I feel some type of way about her whole re-instatement and how everybody was so happy.  I get it.  This is realistic. But still... bleh.

Loved the title card this week.

edited to add:  Like the little shout out to the author of the books.  They were going to celebrate at a place called Kay's Slaughterhouse.

Edited Thursday at 02:53 AM by DearEvette

[Chaser]

Angie getting “water sign” from the handyman made me laugh. 40% or so of serial killers are Pisces. 

[njbchlover]

10 hours ago, fishcakes said:

 

I burst out laughing when Angie quit her job and said to the awful HOA manager or whoever she was, "go hump yourself." If the networks aren't going to let characters swear realistically, then it's better to just have them say nothing. "Go hump yourself" made me think of an early episode of 21 Jump Street with a street gang who had kids saying things like, "get the heck out of here!" and "I don't give a darn about that!"

 

2 hours ago, peeayebee said:

Yup, "Go hump yourself," just sounded stupid, not badass. 

 

 

The name of the character who was the HOA President was "Kathy Humps", so I think it was just sort of a play on making fun of her last name with the innuendo attached.  

I had to think about that a while, though!  

[agathapenny]

10 hours ago, fishcakes said:

The wife swan walking along as Angie carried off the dead husband swan was sad but sweet.

That swan must have been in rigor for it to be that stiff and easy for Angie to carry. Plus, a bird that big would be incredibly heavy, but Angie seemed to have no problem lifting and hauling it a considerable distance. In other words, that was one unrealistic bird corpse, lol. 

The grieving swan made me really sad. 

[cardigirl]

In my rewatch of this episode, I wanted to point out how much I loved the dead swan conversation Angie had with Poppy and talking to Princess Kate (the female half of the swan couple, named William and Kate ha ha) while Air Supply's "All Out of Love" played. Genius!  And Angie counseling Princess Kate saying she didn't have to mate for life. She could fly away and find a new pond. But Poppy told her the swans couldn't fly because their wings had been clipped. And of course Angie could identify with that.

The writing was stellar this episode, and the music choices as well.

[marceline]

9 hours ago, Calvada said:

Does Nico have a job?  They seem to have a lot of time to hang out and comment on Will's wardrobe choices, take care of Betty, take her to the vet, take her to visit Angie, etc.  

Nico works for Will as a sort of assistant.

[peeayebee]

11 hours ago, Calvada said:

I wonder if the handyman was exonerated.  Otherwise how could someone who raped & murdered a 17 year old be out of prison?  Someone who cut out the tongue of the victim?  The guy looks like he's about 40, way too young to be paroled for such a terrible crime.  But then why wouldn't Ormewood tell Angie that when she said she was locked in with John?  Or was there some egregious investigative/prosecutorial misconduct which resulted in his release?  I assume we have not seen the last of John.  

I hope we see John again because you raise a lot of questions I didn't even consider. From the last ep I thought there was something sketchy about him, but not a rape and murder. But yeah, his story has a lot of holes in it that the show better fill.

10 hours ago, njbchlover said:

The name of the character who was the HOA President was "Kathy Humps", so I think it was just sort of a play on making fun of her last name with the innuendo attached.  

Oh. So the writers gave her that last name just so Angie could tell her to hump herself. 

[Chaos Theory]

Will Trent has never been a popular police officer.   The pilot episode had him being hated for investigating fellow officers.    That is not something that wins you many friends.   Views on police have changed ALOT over the years so someone like Will Trent who publically arrests the only woman he has ever really loved just hits differently now.    I am not saying what he did wasnt the right thing but the way he did it didn’t win him any friends.    Angie on the other hand despite her many flaws is popular among the other police and always has been.    I am guessing everyone was just happy to see her back while no one is particularly happy to see Will Trent who has really done nothing to ingratiate himself with his fellow police.  
 

and yes I can understand why Angie is angry at him but I can also understand why Will did what he did.  It’s a terrible situation. 

Edited Thursday at 04:32 PM by Chaos Theory

[Badsamaritan]

12 hours ago, DearEvette said:

This was a great episode. The writing was popping and the cast was on fire.

Peter and especially Frank were MVPs. From the scene where they are 'autopsying' the swan:

"This is Nasty"

"I hate it here"

"I’mma shoot everyone in this room"

and of course the re-enactment scene was so fun from Frank deciding to be British, to Ormewood thinking he was a 'trapist' to Pete being disgruntled at not being able to use his improv skills.

I liked Angie's case more than the A-plot case, but I feel some type of way about her whole re-instatement and how everybody was so happy.  I get it.  This is realistic. But still... bleh.

Loved the title card this week.

edited to add:  Like the little shout out to the author of the books.  They were going to celebrate at a place called Kay's Slaughterhouse.

I love Franklin and I wish they would use him more. 

48 hours later, I'm still pissed Angie got off scot free. Seriously, show?? Her actions directly led to people getting killed, and she just gets to waltz back into the precinct and resume her duties, like she shouldn't be facing multiple civil lawsuits along with the APD. This was just so lazy. Why have all these things happen as a direct result of her decision to cover up murder teen murdering, and then just let her back with no consequences whatsoever? 

Maybe I've outgrown tv police procedurals. I have a tough time now suspending my belief when I see all the bad cop stories in real life, and Hollywood just glosses over the grossness of their cop characters in service of a storyline. I really love Will, Faith, and Amanda but my distaste for this story direction for Angie is strong. I'm not sure I'll be able to get past it, and that makes me sad. 

[sharifa70]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:33 PM, possibilities said:

Amanda shopping for Sunny without even consulting her was insane. Who does that?????

My mom did that for (to) me all the time when I was in high school. Sometimes I liked it, sometimes I didn’t. When I didn’t, it almost always resulted in a fight because she pushed me to explain why, but the best I could do was “I just don’t like [the particular item].” It was often easier just to stick it in the closet and never wear it. It wasn’t insane, it was just mom stuff.

On 1/21/2025 at 8:33 PM, possibilities said:

I really need Nico to thank Will for taking them in and providing for them even in his absence. It's just not cool to be acting how they have been about it.

Nico is young and coming from a place of insecurity TO what they thought was a secure place with found family, only to have Will duck out without warning. Sure, he made financial arrangements for Nico to continue living there, so they didn’t have to worry about physical security, but that abrupt change in emotional security totally justifies a little snark. Nico’s continued presence in Will’s home, and Will’s tolerance, show a lot more understanding and a path to rebuilt trust. This feels much more realistic for family stuff.

The role-playing scene was my favorite. Poor Pete, not being allowed to use his improv skills!

[fishcakes]

Could someone remind me what the significance is of Will's dining room table? I know it has something to do with Angie and I kind of remember him refinishing it at the end of last season, but other than that I'm drawing a blank.

[dleighg]

30 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

Could someone remind me what the significance is of Will's dining room table? I know it has something to do with Angie and I kind of remember him refinishing it at the end of last season

That's basically it. I think working on it was such a domestic thing to do (unlike just having sex) that it was a meaningful step forward in their relationship.

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

My mom did that for (to) me all the time when I was in high school. Sometimes I liked it, sometimes I didn’t. When I didn’t, it almost always resulted in a fight because she pushed me to explain why, but the best I could do was “I just don’t like [the particular item].” It was often easier just to stick it in the closet and never wear it. It wasn’t insane, it was just mom stuff.

Nico is young and coming from a place of insecurity TO what they thought was a secure place with found family, only to have Will duck out without warning. Sure, he made financial arrangements for Nico to continue living there, so they didn’t have to worry about physical security, but that abrupt change in emotional security totally justifies a little snark. Nico’s continued presence in Will’s home, and Will’s tolerance, show a lot more understanding and a path to rebuilt trust. This feels much more realistic for family stuff.

The role-playing scene was my favorite. Poor Pete, not being allowed to use his improv skills!

And he took Betty with him.  She was Nico’s responsibility when Will was at work and I think Nico felt lost and unneeded.   

[peachmangosteen]

7 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

and yes I can understand why Angie is angry at him but I can also understand why Will did what he did.  It’s a terrible situation. 

Same. It's not black and white, both have done good things and bad things, it's easy to see where they're both coming from, etc. That's what makes a good story to me.

[cardigirl]

9 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Will Trent has never been a popular police officer.   The pilot episode had him being hated for investigating fellow officers.    That is not something that wins you many friends.   Views on police have changed ALOT over the years so someone like Will Trent who publically arrests the only woman he has ever really loved just hits differently now.    I am not saying what he did wasnt the right thing but the way he did it didn’t win him any friends.    Angie on the other hand despite her many flaws is popular among the other police and always has been.    I am guessing everyone was just happy to see her back while no one is particularly happy to see Will Trent who has really done nothing to ingratiate himself with his fellow police.  

I noticed in this episode that the police side showed up and worked with Will to determine who the killer was by role-playing along with notecards and masks. No one said a thing to Will that was remotely mean or snarky. They all pitched in, even though Ormewood did not like who he was supposed to represent.

I don't think they're hating on Will at the moment, at least not out loud.

 

[Sarah 103]

23 hours ago, Calvada said:

Does Nico have a job?  They seem to have a lot of time to hang out and comment on Will's wardrobe choices, take care of Betty, take her to the vet, take her to visit Angie, etc.  

Nico does multiple things: dog walker, taking care of the house, and other things. Basically, Will found a way to give Nico a safe place to stay and a legal source of income. 

[Chaser]

Funny. I was thinking that by TV standards Angie has faced consequences for her actions. She was never going to get fired. That’s not the show. But professionally she got her badge taken away for months and had to work as a rent a cop. Personally, she lost Will. It’s going to take her a lot of work to get him back (as a friend, I think her actions nuked anything more than that). 

I can see the other cops welcoming her back. She was trying to protect a kid and it backfired on her and yeah it got man killed but they were perverts (and yes I know … cool motive still murder, but I’m not feeling sorry for them). Plus I’m sure her personal history is an open secret among the guys. 

[agathapenny]

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

She was trying to protect a kid and it backfired on her and yeah it got man killed but they were perverts (and yes I know … cool motive still murder, but I’m not feeling sorry for them). Plus I’m sure her personal history is an open secret among the guys. 

Importantly, it also got the girl killed. The pedophiles were never sympathetic victims, but Angie covering up the girl's first kill (which, let's face it, she would never have had any serious legal consequences from) destroyed her since she could never deal with it because she had to pretend it never happened, and by extension pretend that her mom's boyfriend never abused her. Drug addict in recovery, abuse victim, and experienced police officer Angie should damn well have known better.

Trying to protect the girl was sympathetic, but the way she went about it showed insanely poor judgement. 

But yes, I get why her fellow cops would welcome her back. She fits in, while Will is a bit of a standoffish oddball to the rank and file, who's from a more prestigious law enforcement branch and already investigated corruption on the force.

[peeayebee]

The writers need to give the regular characters some kind of story other than solving crimes. I think for Angie this season it will be helping the guy accused of rape/murder prove his innocence. I really wish she and Will would stop with the will they/won't they stuff. They have a deep history together, but they could just be friends. They each need to find anotherr pond.

[transitfan]

On 1/22/2025 at 12:43 PM, fishcakes said:

I burst out laughing when Angie quit her job and said to the awful HOA manager or whoever she was, "go hump yourself." If the networks aren't going to let characters swear realistically, then it's better to just have them say nothing. "Go hump yourself" made me think of an early episode of 21 Jump Street with a street gang who had kids saying things like, "get the heck out of here!" and "I don't give a darn about that!"

I don't remember that about Jump Street 😂 Probably a producer decision, as by the late 1980s when Jump Street started, it had been  possible to say "damn" and "hell" on broadcast TV for years (as well as slightly stronger language (i. e., the "b" word (male and female)).  Even one season, NYPD Blue had several utterances of the "s" word 😮

[sharifa70]

22 minutes ago, transitfan said:

I don't remember that about Jump Street 😂 Probably a producer decision, as by the late 1980s when Jump Street started, it had been  possible to say "damn" and "hell" on broadcast TV for years (as well as slightly stronger language (i. e., the "b" word (male and female)).  Even one season, NYPD Blue had several utterances of the "s" word 😮

I remember the first time I heard “ass” on 21 Jump Street and my 17-year-old self immediately recognized Fox as the super-edgy, daring network (only solidified by Married With Children). I’m going to have to dust off my series dvds and note the swear replacements.

I agree that Faith needs to be brought back into the spotlight. I’ve always liked her partnership with Will (plus, I just like Faith) and this is the second plot where it felt like she didn’t have much to do. Don’t put her in the back seat!

[DearEvette]

I 100% percent know that Alexis called Krystal a "miserable bitch" on Dynasty in the early 80s before having a fight in a pond while dressed in their society dresses and jewelry!

[roughing it]

2 hours ago, peeayebee said:

The writers need to give the regular characters some kind of story other than solving crimes.

The books delved more into their private lives.  Here there's been no mention at all of Faith's son whose life she is very involved with.  Angie worked undercover with prostitutes and personally was a mess (much moreso than here), whom Will could not abide.  Will had a SO who was the medical examiner (and she had two huge dogs that bonded nicely with Betty Maria White Trent!).

[possibilities]

29 minutes ago, roughing it said:

The books delved more into their private lives.  Here there's been no mention at all of Faith's son whose life she is very involved with.  Angie worked undercover with prostitutes and personally was a mess (much moreso than here), whom Will could not abide.  Will had a SO who was the medical examiner (and she had two huge dogs that bonded nicely with Betty Maria White Trent!).

That all sounds really interesting! 

Regarding the TV show, Angie knew at some level that what she was doing was a mistake, because she didn't tell Will about it. She didn't trust him, she knew it would end badly. At some point, she has to face up to her part in the demise of their relationship. She didn't have faith in it, or in him, she didn't trust him, and maybe he could have helped her after the initial cover up, before it went too far. I get why she's a mess. I just think it's more interesting to watch people solve problems than double down on them and wallow endlessly.

With regard to the dining room table, I thought Angie built it? I recall scenes of her sleeveless and sweaty, lit so she glistened, while she did so? Maybe that's all in my head? But I really thought it was she who built it, not Will. 

[cardigirl]

19 minutes ago, possibilities said:

With regard to the dining room table, I thought Angie built it? I recall scenes of her sleeveless and sweaty, lit so she glistened, while she did so? Maybe that's all in my head? But I really thought it was she who built it, not Will. 

Yes, she built it while recovering from a physical injury she suffered earlier in the season. It was a symbol to her of the enduring nature of the relationship she and Will were in (or so she thought) at the time.

That's why the last episode last season had a montage of their possible life together with children, etc., while she worked on the table. The hopes and dreams of a lifetime relationship were shattered because of her mistake and Will's inability to overlook what she had done. Angie was impulsive and protective of Crystal and thought that taking the blame for the death of Crystal's mother's boyfriend was allowing Crystal to move on. She went into protective mode because no one had protected Angie when she was abused by the same man. It's not rational thinking by any means, but it's understandable in that Angie thinks she's a police detective to help people. 

I think Angie's arc this season may be one of her realizing how wrong she was. It's too easy that she is back on the force so soon. And I think that's why she's resisting helping the handyman, at least for now. The last time she tried to help out someone, it ended terribly.

Should be an interesting season.

[fishcakes]

1 hour ago, sharifa70 said:

I remember the first time I heard “ass” on 21 Jump Street and my 17-year-old self immediately recognized Fox as the super-edgy, daring network (only solidified by Married With Children). I’m going to have to dust off my series dvds and note the swear replacements.

Looking at the episode list, I think it was season 1, episode 6, "Gotta Finish the Riff." I know it had something to do with gang violence. I should rewatch since it's on a ton of streamers.

1 hour ago, transitfan said:

Even one season, NYPD Blue had several utterances of the "s" word

After Angie's hump line, I was thinking of NYPD Blue too. I just rewatched all of that a year ago, and it's amazing how much tamer broadcast TV is in terms of language 30 years later. I remember at the time there were a few affiliates who clutched their pearls over the language and partial nudity, but after a few episodes and the viewing public not turning into pillars of salt, most everyone shut up about it.

[fastiller]

Speaking of NYPD Blue, anyone remember the shock of seeing Andy Sipowisz's arse on their screen?  (Or am I totally misremembering?)