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S14.E6: Venom in the Viper Room


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3 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I don't think that Dorit asked Kyle not to text with PK. She asked in this episode if Kyle had some information that he might have disclosed in his texts because he doesn't tell her anything. Kyle said he didn't (which was to be expected), and that she wouldn't text with him anymore, even if it were memes and jokes only, because Dorit didn't like it. But Dorit who is ready for a fight with almost everybody was angry because Kyle was raising her voice according to her. It seems this is going to escalate according to the previews. 

This is why I believe she was told to bring it or get out - the beginning of that conversation was no more offensive than Sutton telling her that she's mad at her life, not at Sutton.

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15 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

Screaming harpies have taken over the Viper Room.

I was bemused by the outfits. Kyle looking like she's partying in the late 80's. A little too long in the tooth to dress like Lita Ford. And WTF with her lips???  To be honest, only Dorit dressed in a way that I would expect at the Viper Room as well as age appropriate. I don't like Dorit OR Kyle but if I were presented with a Sophie's Choice I am going with Dorit.  

Garcelle, Sutton and Jennifer are the only ones I could stand being with. 

15 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Erika is dressed like Edward Scissor hands, she gets on stage and walks around mumbling something, gets off the stage and people cheer...did I miss something?

Boz continues to have the worst hairstyles, my dear mother would have said her hair style is like 10 pounds of hammered horse shit.

Dorit is quickly losing her mind.

Sutton is reacting oddly for someone who wants to help.

Kesha? Was she just dying to go to that goat rodeo at the Viper Room? She didn't even get a seat at the table with Kyle.

 

You missed any shred of talent.  We all did.  We need a fruit basket for sitting through that.

11 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

Disappearing  Dorit, she's  always  been thin, but seeing her black hose all baggy  and wrinkly on her knees, did not scream fashion  girly to me.. Has someone  suggested  she turn up the bitchiness,  because  she's  looking  for a fight every  time they get together. Their children  aren't  stupid, they know something  is up, when they visit  PK in his place.. I liked Boz, but if she's  Dorits side kick, I'm really  not interested. 

Jennifer Tilly, I just love her, the song won't  win anything  for the lyrics. EJs awards etc are always  in such tiny places/clubs, and her voice  sounded horrible. World renowned decorater decides to go back to his roots and do tiny houses for TV time, come on. 

This episode  was a nothing burger,  Kyle telling  everyone  what hot night clubs she's been seen at, and telling  us we can talk about her friend  the musician. Why would we? Zzzzzz

Wonder when she had the time since she started having kids at 19.  Hasn't Kesha become a hasbeen?

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15 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I want to know how that therapy session lasted FOUR hours, when Dorit stated that PK left abruptly. Did she alone bend the ear of the professional for 3 1/2 hours? Whoever it was…they earned their money. 

So true! That therapist needed an appointment with their OWN therapist after that marathon of bullshit from Dorito.  She's not the brightest bulb on the Xmas tree!

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17 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I want to know how that therapy session lasted FOUR hours, when Dorit stated that PK left abruptly. Did she alone bend the ear of the professional for 3 1/2 hours? Whoever it was…they earned their money. 

I would want to divorce her if I were forced into a 4 hour session.  Enraged Dorit was cute for a while especially when she went after Kyle but now I am forced to stick up for Kyle.

She is like a Honey Badger and Boz being stuck up her butt is an odd choice.  I feel like I don't even know her its all standing up for Dorit.  They are boring me. 

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I'm over Dorit. Her over the top performative bullshit is sucking all the air out of the season. She reads as disingenuous to me. 

Say what you will about Sutton, but Dorit has always had it out for her - just in the sense that she sees Sutton as "beneath" her (the bank accounts say otherwise!) and easy to poke at. What did Sutton say that was wrong? She told Dorit that she wasn't mad at her, but mad at what's going on in her life. Is that not true? And how is that kicking Dorit while she's down? Sutton, nor anyone, shouldn't have to let Dorit run her mouth and complain unchecked just because she's allegedly having marital issues. Sutton was trying to give her advice from experience. 

But whatever. Dorit will get first chair at the reunion for the first time ever and has secured her diamond for season 15. That's what all of this is really about. 

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6 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Oh I believe he is the real deal; that's WHY I can't figure out why he agreed to do a rented poolhouse - maybe the TV exposure is worth it?  

Of course he did it for the television exposure. He was on a show with two other decorators - it might have been called Million Dollar Decorators. This was more than a decade ago but I saw that it is streaming now.

He wouldn't answer the phone for a two bedroom rental that needed furniture like the model who wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10,000 :-)

My next door neighbor used him and it was a complete gut remodel and then incredible custom furniture and accessories. I took a tour of it and then when my friend was visiting ran into her and she graciously took my friend for a viewing as well. It must have cost well in excess of $1 million - probably more and this was a condo and not a house.

The reality is that you can't get a good decorator unless you can spend a substantial amount of money because they can't make enough money advising someone on the purchase of some living room furniture :-)

Boz lost it for me because what Sutton said wasn't 'weaponizing" Dorit's confidences.

It was stating the obvious that anyone going through a really hard time is probably going to be testy and lashing out.

Sutton was coming from a place where she was empathizing since she had gone through it just like her statement about the children was also just the truth.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I totally missed that! Yeah, that isn't good, an addict thinking he can drink is really no good.

I missed that too! Huge red flag indeed!

 

Right there, I would have stopped the convo and urged him to at least Google those women, just like any job you need to find out information about who came before you or founded or was instrumental in whatever industry you are working in...history is important and maybe he could be inspired by those women. And yes, I felt old too.

 

Not that Tyra Banks' show wasn't ridiculous but I did agree when the prospective models had no idea who some iconic models were.

Anyone serious about a modeling career should be studying photographs and fashion but why should a nepo baby be expected to stretch themselves. 

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19 hours ago, Steph J said:

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Personally, if I were going through a divorce, I would want the advice and support of someone who won as hard at divorce as Sutton did, but if Dorit thinks this is a good use of her time, I guess that's her prerogative.

This! Sutton made out like a bandit in her divorce (not saying it wasn’t deserved) Dorit’s alienating the wrong one. Get Sutton’s people asap! 

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2 hours ago, Pi237 said:

This! Sutton made out like a bandit in her divorce (not saying it wasn’t deserved) Dorit’s alienating the wrong one. Get Sutton’s people asap! 

Of course the difference is that Sutton's husband was actually super rich and Sutton had married him when they were both young and he was poor - so she absolutely was owed equitable division of the marital estate since she had a long term marriage and had raised the children.

I remember her advising another housewife of the need for a good forensic accountant as she had discovered all kinds of assets including the ex owning a sports franchise.

I really can't get into the redemption arc for Erika - she is still fighting desperately to weasel out of compensating the victims. 

Was the song ever any kind of a hit for her - it's long enough after the release to have either flopped or not.

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22 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Erika is dressed like Edward Scissor hands, she gets on stage and walks around mumbling something, gets off the stage and people cheer...did I miss something?

 

You didn't miss anything - people cheered when she left the stage and they didn't have to fake enjoyment any longer. Even Kyle couldn't fake a happy face in that one crowd scene that was shown...

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3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Sadly, there is no money in PK's accounts, secret or otherwise, and he is already paying for family number 1.

This is why I doubt he’s found other women who want to date him. I don’t even know why Dorit took a chance with him. PK himself said a lot of his financial problems affected him before he married Dorit. 

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8 hours ago, Slakkie said:

She is like a Honey Badger and Boz being stuck up her butt is an odd choice.  I feel like I don't even know her its all standing up for Dorit.  They are boring me. 

Yes, it's unfortunate Boz's first encounter was with Dorito who basically occupied all her time at the activities with her nonstop talking and because the editors seem to be all about Dorit this season, that's all we really see of Boz.  

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2 minutes ago, Mar said:

I missed that. Who said that? I am finding Dorit to be intolerable. She’s always waving her fingers around with those long nails when she’s yelling.

Dorit told her mom that the peaches were delicious. Her mom said, “I got them from Costco.”

She also presses her fingers together and jabs a lot. She’s overdoing the yelling and accusing this season.

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On 1/7/2025 at 6:05 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

Kesha? Was she just dying to go to that goat rodeo at the Viper Room? She didn't even get a seat at the table with Kyle.

I think Kyle brought her on, perhaps, as a favor to get her name out there more than it is already. Kyle has been sharing stuff on Instagram for quite a while of her and Keisha. Along with Morgan, they recently did an African safari trip. She posted a photo of herself and Kesha in front of the jeep and if you look closely, you can see Morgan hiding back behind one of the seats so that she didn’t show in the photo.The original was in color, but it made the file too large to upload, so I changed it to black and white.

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23 hours ago, dmeets said:

The same time that Crystal and 8.5 were fired

This took me a moment…😂😂😂😂

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23 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Ditto. Sutton can be snarky and insensitive (who isn't), but I don't see her as a bully at all. She's actually one of the few longtime cast members who isn't a bully. The Girardi stuff was confusing at best and disgustingly shady at worst. So what if Sutton had questions? Was she supposed to turn a blind eye to it all? Kyle could be really nasty to Sutton, hardly just sitting there brokenhearted and being attacked. I do think Dorit is one of the nicer women who's a longterm cast member, but she can be hard on both Sutton and Garcelle and then acts like she has no idea why either would have an issue with her. 

Completely agree.  Dorit and Erika, and then Boz (repeating what she has been told by Dorit), blamed Sutton for the last 3 years of Erika, Rinna, and Kyle for torturing her (Sutton).  Sutton has taken abuse from the FF5 for so many years.  This is the first time she snapped back at Dorit and now they are all rewriting history. 

15 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Erika and her fleeing to safety in the cover of darkness with a few scraps fucking annoys me to no end .. Girl you lived off windows and orphans and when the news broke you fled .. stop this revisionist victim story 

AND I will forever believe there is money stashed somewhere.  They had plenty of warning that Tom was being investigated.  She's probably being supported by sugar daddies, and dips into her hidden funds every now and then...  

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18 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Hasn't Kesha become a hasbeen?

Kesha was extremely successful for some time (she sold about 100 million albums), but a legal dispute with her former producer that lasted from 2014 to 2023 stalled her career. She probably likes the exposure from being on the show, and her association to Kyle.

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6 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

AND I will forever believe there is money stashed somewhere.  They had plenty of warning that Tom was being investigated.  She's probably being supported by sugar daddies, and dips into her hidden funds every now and then...  

I don't doubt money was stashed. That's what frauds do. Tom was being investigated for a long time, I'm sure he was prepared. He even had the dementia defense ready. 

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7 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

AND I will forever believe there is money stashed somewhere.  They had plenty of warning that Tom was being investigated.  She's probably being supported by sugar daddies, and dips into her hidden funds every now and then...  

A shrewd money man that Tom is/was I believe there is money outside the US and out from under the radar of forensic accountants, do you think he was smart enough to keep his gold digger wife away from it? Maybe there was a little blackmail in action and he paid her something to keep quiet? Maybe?

I worked for a now defunct dental consulting firm, the owner (ironically would teach other dentists about the business side of running a practice), never had an outside accounting team audit his books, not once in thirty years of business. The Chief Financial Officer was steadily robbing him blind, she kept two sets of books. One thing she did was pay for her son's law school and daughter's medical school, the other was probably hide money in Ireland (she traveled there a lot), on top of being a hateful, nasty, disgusting person she was a shrewd money person, after her stint in prison (7 years), I am sure she had a nice chunk of change waiting for her in some secret account somewhere.

So what I think is Tom was of sound mind when he started his con, he wasn't going to spend every penny, he was a saver and knew a rainy day could happen so I'd be surprised if he didn't put some money in a mattress somewhere where it would be safe and accessible when needed.

 

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9 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

It would be nice to have a season when Sutton isn't being dumped on by half the cast. I get she's probably an easy target, but it is the same shit, different season. Can we have more seasons where people gang up on Kyle, Erica, or Dorit? 

I would love to see a gang up on Kyle. I can hardly think of anyone more deserving (except Rinna) all these years.

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Again, Erika trues to portray herself as a victim in her marriage, telling that weirdo designer she had to leave in the middle of the night with only a few sofas on her back.  Tom Girardi engaged in embezzlement and fraud to fleece people who were mainly injury victims to maintain a lavish lifestyle with Erika as his trophy wife and her career. But he gets caught and somehow she's a victim. Doesn't compute. And then fights with the victims who want reimbursement. Not a victim. And for some reason she is still a gay icon, but Jennifer mailed it when she said that awful sing wasn't top 10. Its sounded like a mess and wtf was she wearing? 

Dorito needs to stfu. The world is tired of listening to her marriage woes. And as much as I dislike Kyle, I dont blame her for being over Dorit going after Kyle about things that don't matter. If Dorito has specifically said please don't communicate with PK, I could understand her anger. But if you don't say anything but expect people to do or not do something its unreasonable. Same for Sutton. She was 100% right that Dorito is lashing out at everyone because she's miserable. Sutton did nothing wrong. I loved her sparkly dress btw. 

Boz doesn't dress quirky. Jennifer dresses quirky. Boz dresses bizarrely and I couldn't care less about her new man. 

Loved Garcelles house. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, janiema said:

I would love to see a gang up on Kyle. I can hardly think of anyone more deserving (except Rinna) all these years.

The audience has always been mixed on Kyle, but it's amazing how much the other women let her slide with. I guess it must be her status as an OG? Brandi, Eileen, and Rinna all got a ton of shit from both Richards sisters for reacting to stuff Kim said and did with the cameras rolling! But Kyle was the one who outed Kim as an addict then has the nerve to act like she's always been a protector and how dare anyone have questions about Kim's sobriety. 

Kyle pushed the Denise and Brandi storyline right along with Rinna, but Denise held more of a grudge with Erika. I understand how wrong the threesome comment was, but Erika was really not the one targeting Denise that season. Speaking of Erika, she can have a really short fuse, but she keeps her composure with Kyle no matter how below the belt she goes. I remember when she asked Erika "do you not have good friends?" I thought it was a low blow, but Erika let it pass. 

Kyle has been extremely nasty and aggressive towards but Sutton and Dorit for several years, but both women forgive and forgive season after season. Manhandling Sutton, heartless over her miscarriage, screaming bloody murder if Dorit shows up late due to glam, just ridiculous behavior. Then she has the nerve to tell Dorit that she has to watch how she speaks to Kyle. I'm glad Dorit is off the Kyle is a good friend train. It's so rich she says Dorit is grasping for reasons to be angry with Kyle, when Kyle's reasons for ghosting Dorit are making the favorite Richards sister joke and not jumping in to defend Teddi. 

I used to really admire Kyle's family dynamics and still think she is a good mom. But I have always thought her personality type must be exhausting. She is both very quick to cry like a child and also quick to scream and be nasty. Normally it's at least one or the other. I know people go through hard times and hormones can be at play for a lot of the women in the cast, but it's been 14 years of Kyle being this like poster child of the worst PMS. 

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This is the Dorit and the Erika I always wanted to see. I knew there was a Dorit with more depth and spine, and I knew there was an Erika with more humanity. Both were in marriages that, for lack of a better word, subdued who they were and what they had to offer. I am not absolving them of their past behavior, but I am acknowledging their dimensionality. 

This is the Sutton I have never liked. She is volatile, childish, and demurely calculating until she erupts. 

I've never cared for Garcelle.

I really like Boz. She's been navigating the highest echelons of the corporate world for a minute, so she can read behavior and motivation quite well. That she thinks highly of Dorit is a point for Dorit in my book.

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27 minutes ago, Rorysmom said:

I really like Boz. She's been navigating the highest echelons of the corporate world for a minute, so she can read behavior and motivation quite well. That she thinks highly of Dorit is a point for Dorit in my book.

Look at her resume.  She job hopped A LOT.  I mean a lot.  Yes she worked at some big time companies but she never stayed long.  I find it strange.

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Table for one...but I really don't think it's a big deal if Kyle and PK are sending some casual "texes" back and forth. They had a relationship as couple friends for many years, so why can't that continue?

I separated with my husband last year, and several of my friends who also became his friend over the years, are still in contact with him. I'm sure they would stop if I asked them to, but I see no reason to do that.

Seems incredibly immature to make such a big deal about it and act like it's so scandalous, but YMMV. 

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21 minutes ago, 90DayFart said:

Table for one...but I really don't think it's a big deal if Kyle and PK are sending some casual "texes" back and forth. They had a relationship as couple friends for many years, so why can't that continue?

I separated with my husband last year, and several of my friends who also became his friend over the years, are still in contact with him. I'm sure they would stop if I asked them to, but I see no reason to do that.

Seems incredibly immature to make such a big deal about it and act like it's so scandalous, but YMMV. 

I agree.  It's not like PK is confiding in Kyle or even having a conversation.   He's sending memes and jokes.   I don't see that as a big deal either, just something for Dorit to scream at Kyle about.  Which is probably why Kyle said she would stop texting PK, no problem.  Dorit can't take yes for an answer. 

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1 hour ago, Slakkie said:

Look at her resume.  She job hopped A LOT.  I mean a lot.  Yes she worked at some big time companies but she never stayed long.  I find it strange.

Job hopping at that level (and every level in this market for that matter) is quite common. When they max out what they've come there to do, they move on and increase their net worth with each move.

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12 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Kesha was extremely successful for some time (she sold about 100 million albums), but a legal dispute with her former producer that lasted from 2014 to 2023 stalled her career. She probably likes the exposure from being on the show, and her association to Kyle.

I remember when Kesha was on the Simple Life about 20 years ago. Kyle, Paris... she has a thing for the family 😂

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4 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

The audience has always been mixed on Kyle, but it's amazing how much the other women let her slide with. I guess it must be her status as an OG?

That's a good point.    Unpopular opinion but I like Kyle, mostly for the marriage/family she created compared to the mess she grew up in; no role models there. 

Like most here, I've seen every episode of this show (for 14 years!!!) and generally find these women ridiculous and fun to snark about.  But I must have a blind spot with Kyle because I don't hate her. 

And even though it's ancient history, when Kyle finally publicly called Kim an alcoholic it was in the context of Kim accusing Kyle of "stealing her house" when it fact Kyle and Mauricio bought her out of the shared inherited house when Kim needed the money.  They had been carrying her for a while.   All that to say, I never held that against Kyle because unless someone has an addict in their family it's hard to describe how much they can take and take and take.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, Rorysmom said:

This is the Dorit and the Erika I always wanted to see. I knew there was a Dorit with more depth and spine, and I knew there was an Erika with more humanity. Both were in marriages that, for lack of a better word, subdued who they were and what they had to offer. I am not absolving them of their past behavior, but I am acknowledging their dimensionality. 

This is the Sutton I have never liked. She is volatile, childish, and demurely calculating until she erupts. 

I've never cared for Garcelle.

I really like Boz. She's been navigating the highest echelons of the corporate world for a minute, so she can read behavior and motivation quite well. That she thinks highly of Dorit is a point for Dorit in my book.

It's Sutton and Garcelle who make the show.  Sutton has a good heart and is known to be very generous.  Garcelle is the truth cannon - for viewers.  

Dorit has made the show unwatchable - with her outbursts, screaming, fits. Every week it's the same thing.  Camille was right on.   

Boz is new to "reality" TV.  I question whether it has been suggested by producers for her to be sounding board for Dorit - to play up the drama.  That friendship is very one sided.  Dorit makes it all about herself.

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Erika is renting that house right?  Is she really spending money to fix it up or did the designer want to be on the show? 
Sutton don’t try to impress Bozo with your vocabulary. Instead ask her why she didn’t simply say that Sutton hurt Dorits feelings instead of accusing her of weaponizing or whatever stupid woke bullshit this clown is spouting. 

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The only reason I know the name Kesha is because back in the day I watched Teen Mom, and one of TM's biggest trainwrecks was and is Janelle, who was supposed to report for a 16 day jail sentence for testing positive for weed, but told her probation officer she wasn't going to report and was willing to get slapped with a 45 day sentence  because she had tickets to a Kesha concert. She whined about how she had second row seats and already had feathers in her hair!! 

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1 hour ago, lemoncake said:

The only reason I know the name Kesha is because back in the day I watched Teen Mom, and one of TM's biggest trainwrecks was and is Janelle, who was supposed to report for a 16 day jail sentence for testing positive for weed, but told her probation officer she wasn't going to report and was willing to get slapped with a 45 day sentence  because she had tickets to a Kesha concert. She whined about how she had second row seats and already had feathers in her hair!! 

Same!! 

That was hilarious!

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16 hours ago, Rorysmom said:

Job hopping at that level (and every level in this market for that matter) is quite common. When they max out what they've come there to do, they move on and increase their net worth with each move.

No it is not. I was a Executive Director myself at a Fortune 50 company before I retired, 3-5 years is about average.  Many of her jobs were less that 3 years.  At that level it takes more time than that.  I am not saying she is bad but it was a lot of quick laterals.  I find it strange that she never stayed IN a company but instead moved - its odd.

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