S19.E12: Put Your House In Order

[ginger90]

56 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Could they have started building on those two paid-for lots? 

No it all had to be paid off first.

 

It was a ridiculous contract from beginning to end.

[Natalie68]

59 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Did they get it appraised?

One third, as Christine no longer has a share.  But it’s not even one-third, as the division of the parcels is so complicated!  

Didn't they say Meri paid $73K to help pay off CP?  If so, they all should have been responsible for the same (Janelle/Kody/Robyn). Did Kody/Robyn pay in total $146K? Or did he convince them they only have to pay $73K? I can see that happening.

[ginger90]

4 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

It sounds like it since they said it was from county records.

I  would think that would be tax records, not an appraisal, they aren’t the same.

[LilyD]

16 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

His Fatal Attraction hair.

FTFY

[Granny58]

I was reading comments over on Reddit.  Somebody posted that Meri had to kiss Robyn's butt this whole time, including pretending they were BFF's, so that she remained in Kody's good graces.  Now that she knows that ship has sailed she doesn't need to do that anymore....hence the dead eye.  Ya know, it's absolutely logical but I just didn't really realize that before.  I thought Meri was friends with her and lately just realized that it was a sham.  Didn't realize Meri also had to tap dance to that tune just to keep Kody "happy" ish. 

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, smarty said:

Interesting!  They paid $820,000 for it so they've made $480,000 on it if they sell it for $1.3 million.  Each person's one fourth share would be $325,000.  

I’m confused (permanently). 

The Browns paid $820,000 for the original four lots. They didn’t pay the entire $820K upfront. They eventually paid for two of the lots but still owed on the other two. So their payout isn’t $1.3 million divided by four (or rather three, since Christine doesn’t get a share), but $1.3 million minus the remaining balance on the two plots they hadn’t paid off? So less than $325,000? 

I’m not in any way a math geek but I would LOVE a two-hour special walking through the Brown family finances. I’ll bet they would each learn at least one new thing about their own financial picture a well…

[mythoughtis]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

They purchased two of the four lots outright. If they didn’t pay off the other two the owner could foreclose on all of it.

Yes.  They’ve sunk money into it and they threw  more money at it trying to keep it.   Sometimes  you have to walk away/ but that’s hard to decide to do.  It’s why people  keep gambling on a losing streak or don’t sell stocks  that are tanking. 

[smarty]

This episode was filmed in June 2023.  It's now December 2024 and the land is paid in full but still titled the way they originally bought it in 2018.  Why do you think they haven't sold it already, or had Kody buy them out and take their names off the deeds?

Edited December 4 by smarty

[Elizzikra]

8 minutes ago, smarty said:

This episode was filmed in June 2023.  It's now December 2024 and the land is paid in full but still titled the way they originally bought it in 2018.  Why do you think they haven't sold it already, or had Kody buy them out and take their names off the deeds?

It was on the market for a long time before they bought it and I think it's going to be hard to resell. 

[Gramto6]

53 minutes ago, smarty said:

This episode was filmed in June 2023.  It's now December 2024 and the land is paid in full but still titled the way they originally bought it in 2018.  Why do you think they haven't sold it already, or had Kody buy them out and take their names off the deeds?

Is it possible it is being used partially as collateral for the new $2.1 mil mansion? After all between Kody and Robyn, they own a big chunk of CP, especially now that it is paid off.

[ragingpixie]

Kody: It's too bad my family doesn't like Robyn. Otherwise I would be at every single function, including Christine's wedding and maybe even the honeymoon, and I would happily clear the snow from the driveway of my most hated wife who is now my best friend. But my real wife is too pretty and shy to leave home alone.

Janelle: My jackball of an ex-husband has been excommunicated from this family and is not welcome within 30 miles of any of us, Robyn or no Robyn.

 

There are no punches being pulled this season, and I am here. for. it.

[candall]

15 minutes ago, ragingpixie said:

Kody: It's too bad my family doesn't like Robyn. Otherwise I would be at every single function, including Christine's wedding and maybe even the honeymoon, and I would happily clear the snow from the driveway of my most hated wife who is now my best friend. But my real wife is too pretty and shy to leave home alone.

Janelle: My jackball of an ex-husband has been excommunicated from this family and is not welcome within 30 miles of any of us, Robyn or no Robyn.

 

There are no punches being pulled this season, and I am here. for. it.

Exactly!  It's like the payoff we earned by sticking it out through sixteen-plus seasons of these three women sucking it up and "staying sweet." 

Go ahead and let 'er rip, ladies; tell us what you really think. 

[javajeanelaine]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:57 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

It didn’t seem to me that any of the wives appeared lighter. In fact, except for Kody, they all appear substantially larger than ever before. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.  It’s just they claim to be so much happier…..idk.  

Christine and Janelle are both lighter in my opinion.

[mythoughtis]

I think Janelle might have been exaggerating a little though.  She said  he was estranged  from 90-95% of  his kids.  Since he did adopt Robyn’s, he had 18 kids when she said  this.  16 kids would be slightly over 90%.  At the time she said this, he had relationships with at least 4 out of 5 in his home( don’t know about Dayton) plus MyKelti and  most likely Truely. So estranged from 12 of 18.  66%.  If she was really only talking about the OG 13, the estranged percentage would still be 85 or Less

Edited December 4 by mythoughtis

[Denize]

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

 If she was really only talking about the OG 13, the estranged percentage would still be 85 or Less

1 (Mykelti) divided by 13 (OG13 at the time this episode was filmed) = 7.7% tolerated Kody, so 92.3% were extranged/ignored by Kody. That sounds about right to me. Kody doesn't pay attention unless they suck up to him, which Mykelti was doing.

Edited December 4 by Denize

[mythoughtis]

2 minutes ago, Denize said:

1 (Mykelti) divided by 13 (OG13 at the time this episode was filmed) = 7.7% tolerated Kody, so 92.3% were extranged/ignored by Kody. That sounds about right to me. 

I do not think Truely was estranged from him in the true   Meaning of the word.  I think she enjoys being around him. I am undecided about Ysabel based upon how  upset she was about David.   So 11/13.  

[Denize]

I haven't seen any enjoyment. Twice Truely declined when Kody asked if she wanted a hug. I think she mainly misses Sol.

[Absolom]

Truely will never forget the bicycle adventure.  Ysabel's attitude about David may have to do with something Christine or David said or did and nothing to do with Kody.  Christine's accept David or lump it attitude did not do them initial favors with the kids.

[SunnyBeBe]

Looking at the photo of wives with Kody at Robyn wedding, all in brown, all look much larger in this episode, imo. Except for Kody.  Its’s on Reddit. Not sure that link is allowed.  Maybe Covid gain.  I had that.  

Edited December 4 by SunnyBeBe

[RoxiP]

I think Ysabel is, maybe for the first time in her life, seeing how a REAL father interacts with his children - it seems David has strong relationships with his children (and he has 8 of them so it's not like it's only one or 2) and Ysabel sees how Kody uses and manipulates his children for his own devices and expects them to reach out to him as opposed to being in their lives on a day-to-day basis.  You don't have to live in close proximity to maintain a relationship with your children - my 10-month old grandson seems to know me by sight because we FaceTime several times a week (obviously his mom facilitates this).  It is funny when I see him in person because he is always perplexed by the fact that I am just not a floating face...LOL!

[Gramto6]

14 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

If she was really only talking about the OG 13, the estranged percentage would still be 85 or Less

Even at that percentage, it is a pretty telling/sad story about a dad's relationship with his children.

[MamaMax]

All their finances seem like a flim-flam trick. I think Kody dazzled all 3 OG wives with bullshit over the years and did all kinds of shell games.  "OK Janelle so you helped us with Robyn's down-payment so we will put your name on the bigger part of the coyote pass plots and then when we pay it off, we will sell the big house and pay you back and redivide the plots BLAH BLAH BLAH" and so Janelle wound up with NO liquid assets. 

Christine kinda played his game and came out clean.

Meri was hanging on waiting for Kody to take her back so she didn't want to rock the boat. 

Kody was, in my mind, ABSOLTELY going to do some fancy footwork to gain himself the majority of the money, or else he wouldn't have resisted the idea of an appraisal (SUCH lame reasons, eye rollingly absurd).

I still don't understand why, if Janelle and Meri want out, they had to PAY IN MORE to CP?? But I'm no finance expert, unlike Kody "T Rowe Price" Brown. 

Edited December 4 by MamaMax

[ginger90]

53 minutes ago, MamaMax said:

I still don't understand why, if Janelle and Meri want out, they had to PAY IN MORE to CP??

If it wasn’t paid off by the due date, they would have lost all 4 lots and the money they put into them. They paid cash for 2, it was the other 2 being paid off.

[mythoughtis]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

If it wasn’t paid off by the due date, they would have lost all 4 lots and the money they put into them. They paid cash for 2, it was the other 2 being paid off.

 

5 hours ago, MamaMax said:

why, if Janelle and Meri want out, they had to PAY IN MORE to CP?? But I'm no finance expert, unlike Kody "T Rowe Price" Brown. 

In addition to what ginger90 said- Kody and Robyn didn’t have enough money to buy Meri and  Janelle out and then pay off the loans.   They needed Meri and Janelle’s money to pay off the loan… and they only managed that 5 days before the deadline 

[smarty]

After searching on deeds in Arizona, it looks like you can execute a deed but not record it and it is still valid.  So maybe Kody bought Meri and Janelle out but they haven't legally recorded the deed yet while they wait for the show to catch up?  It's hard to imagine Meri and Janelle not pushing the sale of the Coyote Pass land.  

[laurakaye]

15 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

In addition to what ginger90 said- Kody and Robyn didn’t have enough money to buy Meri and  Janelle out and then pay off the loans.   They needed Meri and Janelle’s money to pay off the loan… and they only managed that 5 days before the deadline 

*record scratch*

Mr. and Mrs. DABSARK didn't have the money to buy out the others and pay off the loans.  So they needed Meri and Janelle's money to get it paid off.  And yet - Kody and Robyn live in a mansion surrounded by art, knick-knacks, a plethora of kitchen gadgets, ridiculously expensive sculptures and other crap.  Yet, they needed Meri and Janelle's money for CP.  Forgive me if this is crystal clear, but is that why Kody and Robyn were spending money like it was going out of style - to force Meri and Janelle to finish paying for CP?  So K&R could claim that they didn't have any "liquid" cash?  And then when Kody didn't want CP appraised, that was meant to screw M&J out of their fair portion of money when they sold it?

Could Kody and Robyn actually be that devious??  I mean I know the answer, but this puts their whining and pearl clutching over the loss of the property and the family in a different light.

[LilyD]

8 hours ago, smarty said:

It's hard to imagine Meri and Janelle not pushing the sale of the Coyote Pass land. 

Didn't Janelle warn Meri specifically about the ownership of CP and making sure she got her fair share? Meri refused to take that warning seriously. For whatever reason, she insisted Kody would treat her fairly.

[Teri313]

8 hours ago, laurakaye said:

And then when Kody didn't want CP appraised, that was meant to screw M&J out of their fair portion of money when they sold it?

If he's going to buy them out, he certainly doesn't want them to know how much it has increased in value. The funny thing is, it's so obvious that that's what he's thinking. Yes Kody, we see you! 

[smarty]

28 minutes ago, Teri313 said:

If he's going to buy them out, he certainly doesn't want them to know how much it has increased in value. The funny thing is, it's so obvious that that's what he's thinking. Yes Kody, we see you! 

Yep, he probably wants to give them 1/4 the purchase price - not the current value.

[suev3333]

In other news,  I see Robyn has lost some weight.   She's looking good .     Just an observation.   She must have read some our comments about her weight  🤭

[Absolom]

Robyn is also a stress non-eater.  Her food intake goes down as her stress level goes up.  At least that's how she's been in the past.

[marlor]

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Yes.  They’ve sunk money into it and they threw  more money at it trying to keep it.   Sometimes  you have to walk away/ but that’s hard to decide to do.  It’s why people  keep gambling on a losing streak or don’t sell stocks  that are tanking.

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I think Meri and Janelle are throwing good money after bad. They will never get their money back. I would have told K&R too bad. The only story line you had for years is gone Poof!

 

[RoxiP]

17 hours ago, Absolom said:

Robyn is also a stress non-eater.  Her food intake goes down as her stress level goes up.  At least that's how she's been in the past.

Another reason to dislike Robyn.  Unfortunately I eat when stressed.

[Natalie68]

saw this:

[Chalby]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:04 AM, smarty said:

The fact that they each had to come up with $73,100 to pay off their fourth of Coyote Pass and had no problem doing so makes me think their financial situation is decent.  Kody had $146,000 laying around to pay his and Robyn's share?

They keep talking about getting an appraisal.  I'd love to know how much that land has appreciated...

I would have thought they'd pay only what's left owing by each family member. When we saw the plans, the names on each plot kept changing. So kody Robyn and Meri may have been on one lot Janelle Kody on another, etc. Total owing should be paid based upon how many times your name is attached to a lot.

Robyn and Kody would end up owing for each time their name's attached. So together they may have to pay 70% as together their names may total 7 out of 10.

Granted if these women already invested up to 75%, they had better each see a return that equals 25% at the minimum. Kody would be nowhere without these women carrying his load..

13 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

saw this:

OMG! You know these women paid for the majority and look where profits will go based on lot ownership. Like back when he wanted his own lot, along with the wives. This man is so unlikable.

[Chalby]

I have to say, after reading interesting, albeit "speculative", property divisions, how on earth is Robyn's name attached to anything when she came with only debt. Now she owns coyote pass lots along with a standalone separate home.

The hypocrisy since Day 1 is mindboggling. Even more crazy, Kody has never had to explain how he doles out the cash. When this show began, was it one cheque written out to Kody? When did wives get their own pay cheques and did each of them know what the other wives/ kody were making?

Were trust funds set up for kid's forced appearances? When did kids start to demand appearance fees from parents? So many questions no one's asked.

[LilyD]

The whole CP and mansion business seem deeply unfair, assuming the numbers and divisions are correct. Kody probably got the others to sink their money in it because everything was (sort of)divided fairly until the Arizona move. Take the LV houses for instance; they all got the same house and budget.

The OG3 must have believed that things would work out fairly in Flagstaff as well. By the time they realised it wouldn’t, it was too late (though Christine dodged that bullet!)

 

[ginger90]

4 hours ago, Chalby said:

I have to say, after reading interesting, albeit "speculative", property divisions, how on earth is Robyn's name attached to anything when she came with only debt. Now she owns coyote pass lots along with a standalone separate home.

Robyn makes money from the show.

 

 

[Orcinus orca]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

The whole CP and mansion business seem deeply unfair, assuming the numbers and divisions are correct.

There are pages and pages of speculations but we really have no idea of reality with this.  Other than the Browns, no one really knows.  And I am not sure they do.

[Dibs]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:08 PM, MsMalin said:

Anyone else NOT sitting on the edge of their seats to watch Christine shop for a wedding gown when we've already seen it?

...or even if we hadn't.  Anyone else sick to death of Christine???

[Dibs]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:12 PM, Granny58 said:

I was reading comments over on Reddit.  Somebody posted that Meri had to kiss Robyn's butt this whole time, including pretending they were BFF's, so that she remained in Kody's good graces.  Now that she knows that ship has sailed she doesn't need to do that anymore....hence the dead eye.  Ya know, it's absolutely logical but I just didn't really realize that before.  I thought Meri was friends with her and lately just realized that it was a sham.  Didn't realize Meri also had to tap dance to that tune just to keep Kody "happy" ish. 

That's just somebody's opinion.  I have a different one.  I believe Meri (unconsciously) swings both ways and was as much in love with Robyn as Kody was and is.  After all, Meri picked her!

Edited December 8 by Dibs

[Chalby]

23 minutes ago, Dibs said:

...or even if we hadn't.  Anyone else sick to death of Christine???

I'm only sick of Christine because this show packaged before-seen footage as "new" for 2024. We're sick of watching 2 year old repeated "news".

If the footage involved what Christine did over this past summer, I'd be interested.

[Absolom]

I don't like the way Christine talked to her kids and the attitude she took with them over the new relationship.  There's being happy and there's being a jerk.

[SunnyBeBe]

What kind of car did Kody drive away in from Meri’s Utah place?

I hope they got the CP property matter resolved.  For all the talk about their private agreement on tract division, certain contracts must be in writing, including those of real estate in most states.  

Edited December 9 by SunnyBeBe

[Chalby]

On 12/7/2024 at 5:53 AM, ginger90 said:

Robyn makes money from the show.

 

 

Again, I'd like to see how the money was allocated. If initially the cheque was only made out to Kody, then Robyn simply received an allowance. If they each were getting cheques, I'd love to know the numbers. I just recall the problems they encountered whenever they wanted to borrow $$ on loan. It was always poor Robyn with bad credit (due to hubby, I believe) so they helped her by paying off the debt she brought to the family.

Edited December 10 by Chalby

[Absolom]

They set up a "company" to receive the money.  It's usually an LLC.

[Pickleinthemiddle]

On 12/7/2024 at 3:32 AM, Chalby said:

I have to say, after reading interesting, albeit "speculative", property divisions, how on earth is Robyn's name attached to anything when she came with only debt. Now she owns coyote pass lots along with a standalone separate home.

The hypocrisy since Day 1 is mindboggling. Even more crazy, Kody has never had to explain how he doles out the cash. When this show began, was it one cheque written out to Kody? When did wives get their own pay cheques and did each of them know what the other wives/ kody were making?

Were trust funds set up for kid's forced appearances? When did kids start to demand appearance fees from parents? So many questions no one's asked.

I would have been the wife that said no.  Let me see the check prior to deposit, then we are going to divide it 5 ways.  And each person is going to be responsible for their own expenses.  With Kody helping out each family as needed with his portion.  And if any wife wants to help another that is up to them.  No Kody wasn't being fair with the money.

[RoxiP]

I would have maybe divided it four ways, since Christine forfeited her right by keeping the proceeds from the sale of her house.  Speaking of that, how come Robyn and Kody snatched her portion up for themselves?  Wasn't that part of the "shared family assets"?

[Chalby]

14 minutes ago, RoxiP said:

I would have maybe divided it four ways, since Christine forfeited her right by keeping the proceeds from the sale of her house.  Speaking of that, how come Robyn and Kody snatched her portion up for themselves?  Wasn't that part of the "shared family assets"?

I think the post was talking about when the show first started. If only Kody got the check, each wife should have demanded to see it, then decide on equal distribution.

On 12/7/2024 at 5:57 PM, Dibs said:

...or even if we hadn't.  Anyone else sick to death of Christine???

Today, I'm sick and tired of attempting to read and respond to primetimer posts, but the numerous ads keeping popping up and making me lose my place or my drafts. I've lost 3 drafts just today.

[RoxiP]

5 minutes ago, Chalby said:

I think the post was talking about when the show first started. If only Kody got the check, each wife should have demanded to see it, then decide on equal distribution.

Oh thanks.  I misread.  Probably because of the pop-up ads...LOL!