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S05.E09: Desire Is All You Need

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CrazyInAlabama

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That was certainly an action packed episode. 

Costnew going out like that, and it's obvious it was a hit was about the best that could resolve that.   Now the revenge starts. 

The scene about the spurs was so touching.     Combined with Rip saying why the U.S. cattle industry is going down, replaced by the massive destruction of the Brazilian rainforest, explained a lot.    

I don't understand why Monica and Kayce are moving to that remote part of the ranch, but I guess I missed an explanation.    

Whatever happens to Jamie, I won't miss his gutless sniveling.  And when his girlfriend/puppet master Sarah goes bye-bye I won't miss her either.    

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mythoughtis

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I really do not like the 6666 ranch scenes.   
 

How did Rip make it home from Texas in a few hours?  He doesn’t have ID, so it’s not as if he could take a plane. 
 

They really had no choice except to kill John Dutton since Kevin Costner didn’t return. Taylor Sheridan  needs fewer irons in the fire 

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Lonesome Rhodes

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I can't stand Jimmy, but it was quite something to see Rip treat him respectfully, almost like a colleague.  I loved that the others still mocked the stew out of him and that he was utterly clueless about his ride taking off.  

The transfer of the cattle to the pasture was a nice moment, well choreographed, and beautifully photographed.  Rip's speech about 30 years out was hard to listen to.  Not sure about the environmental impacts he also declared, but it's hard to argue the death of the profession.

I found Grant, and the whole murder-for- hire sequence, was much too antiseptic and spare.  Did Sheridan try to give us his version of SPECTRE (James Bond syndicate)?  

it seems to me that Jamie would have executed some legal documents that would be filed to supersede what Beth would file.  His lover (Sarah?) would also have been moving other chess pieces to maximize benefit of the hit.

Love, love, love, Rainwater and Mo Brings Plenty.  The conversation they had as they were contemplating pipeline failure seemed far too portentious.  All the other massive threats they've faced, and this is the last stand?  There should have been a scene to set this one up.

At least Rip was seen to have used his truck to break supersonic records.  I wouldn't put it past this show to have had him ride his horse home.

 

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NJRadioGuy

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2 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

How did Rip make it home from Texas in a few hours?

It's 18 hours by road from Pampa, TX, where the spur maker was, to Bozeman or Helena, so two days of hard driving and one overnight. That timeline didn't seem overly stretched.

But speaking of the spur and bit maker, Billy Klapper was a real-life legend, and that scene was filmed in his workshop. He died two months ago in Pampa at the age of 87. To me, that was the most poignant scene in the entire episode.

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NeenerNeener

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I'm going to miss Costner; I won't miss Piper Perabo's character tho. 

Tate's dog from Part 1 of this season has disappeared. It must be with Tate's horse from Season 2.

And speaking of Tate, he's delivering his lines better now than he was two years ago. I don't know whether he had some acting lessons in the meantime, or if he doesn't have to worry about his voice cracking anymore.

Jimmy is still an idiot. I don't see how the veterinarian from the 6666 can see him as marriage material.

 

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Snazzy Daisy

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Well, no beating around the bush. 😣

John Dutton is Yellowstone. He deserves a better goodbye than the series has given him.

Kevin Costner is still listed first in the acting credits. Huh? 👀

The wigs for Beth and Sarah are very distracting.

All the cowboy life and 6666 scenes are just diversions.

Basically, am just hate-watching till the end. Won’t be tuning in for Beth/Rip spin-off (if any).

 

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CrazyInAlabama

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For Taylor Sheridan, the upside to the 4 6666 filming is he can work from home, no more endless months in Montana.   I'm just glad he bought 4 6666s, and it didn't become somethng different.   

I wasn't surprised Jamie mentioned John Dutton should be dead, and Sarah acted on it.   Jamie never could have carried through on removing John.    

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barshi50

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I'm sorry. The John Dutton we have come to know in 5 seasons would not commit suicide. No way and no way they could make it look like it was true. Massive red flags should have gone up from all who knew him well.

Why was he in Helena at the governor's mansion? (Sorry - just realized they said impeachment hearings were starting the next day)

Doesn't the governor have security around? That big house and no one else is there? No staff?

Also - where is the Lt. governor? Are they trying to say Jaime is next in line? If so, Sarah has the goods to hold over him to get 

it was a cheap way out. If Sheridan is such a great storyteller, he should be able to come up with something better than this.

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zoey1996

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Well, dang! They really killed him off. In the early scene, I noted they showed John's wrists, kind of a call back to Costner's role as the suicide corpse in The Big Chill.

I enjoy the Texas ranch scenes.

Watch what you say - a throwaway line authorizes murder? All righty then.

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Marley

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I thought the actor who plays Tate was just as shitty as always. Maybe even worse than before. I hate Tate tho & wish they got rid of him years ago.

It still doesn’t even make that much sense to me that Jamie hates John so much & he just loved his loser bio dad so quick. If anyone should be really mad it’s Beth her mom was such a huge bitch to her.

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WildPlum

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13 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I really do not like the 6666 ranch scenes.   
 

How did Rip make it home from Texas in a few hours?  He doesn’t have ID, so it’s not as if he could take a plane. 
 

I loved the "getting there" scenes though. From growing up in the rural west and being a geologist, a lot of it is immediately recognizable and iconic. And I have had to drive across Texas several times. Ayup, that's what a lot of it looks like. No idea what the heck those cattle were supposed to be foraging on, because there is no grass and I didn't see any feed. And, holy heck, going from lush high mountain grass to Texas scrub? Those are going to be some unhappy cattle tummies.

I think the "Rip doesn't officially exist" thing is one of TS's more eye-roll-worthy ideas. He's still using the last name he was born with (unless he had his "fake name" put on his mother's headstone). At the time Rip killed his father, it would have been fairly simple to get the sheriff to rubber-stamp it and turn the boy over to John rather than toss him in the foster system. Now something as simple as getting a ticket (or being caught with a gun, concealed or otherwise) is a MAJOR problem.

Of course, what do I know, I fast forward through any scene with Jamie, politics, serious violence and yapping heads. So for me this was about a 15 minute episode.

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KittyKat425

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3 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

For Taylor Sheridan, the upside to the 4 6666 filming is he can work from home, no more endless months in Montana.   I'm just glad he bought 4 6666s, and it didn't become somethng different.   

I wasn't surprised Jamie mentioned John Dutton should be dead, and Sarah (?) acted on it.   Jamie never could have carried through on removing John.    

When did Jamie mention John should be dead? I do recall in episode 8 that Jamie, believing that Beth was going to kill him, said inferred that he did not simply wanted security as a defensive mood but asked Sara if she "knew anybody". It sounded more like he wanted Beth to be killed....same as Beth discussing killing Jamie with John.

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CrazyInAlabama

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5 hours ago, KittyKat425 said:

When did Jamie mention John should be dead? I do recall in episode 8 that Jamie, believing that Beth was going to kill him, said inferred that he did not simply wanted security as a defensive mood but asked Sara if she "knew anybody". It sounded more like he wanted Beth to be killed....same as Beth discussing killing Jamie with John.

The girlfriend, Sarah,  mentioned it to Jamie after John was killed, and Jamie made the announcement.  He came home, couldn't get in the door, broke it in, and staggered upstairs to the girlfriend in her tiny lingerie.  That's when she said he told her that John was ruining his life, and needed to be gone.   She was barely wearing anything, so it was rather distracting. 

So, she arranged the hit with that man that had filmed Jamie and  Sarah having sex, and they discussed how to kill John, but make it look like suicide.  That was in the six weeks before segments. 

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KittyKat425

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13 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

The girlfriend mentioned it to Jamie after John was killed, and Jamie made the announcement.  He came home, couldn't get in the door, broke it in, and staggered upstairs to the girlfriend in her tiny lingerie.  That's when she said he told her that John was ruining his life, and needed to be gone.    So, she arranged the hit with that man that had filmed Jamie and (?) Sarah having sex, and they discussed how to kill John, but make it look like suicide.  

Yes she did and she made it sound like he knew and agreed to it but if she is referring to the conversation at the end on episode 8 that was about Beth. seems like Taylor used that after Kevin Costner left to change the story.

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rr2911

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I knew that the season would start with John's death because of the disagreements between Costner and Sheridan.  Costner hadn't shown up at all to film.  I was hoping we wouldn't know who actually was responsible for John's death until the finale.  Also, I was hoping we would learn that Jamie called off this idea of killing John but that Sarah went with it anyway.  Well, it didn't happen that way.  That's the only thing I'm disappointed about.

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Moose135

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20 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Love, love, love, Rainwater and Mo Brings Plenty.

Agree! I really love their scenes - I'd watch a spinoff with the two of them long before I watched one with Beth and Rip.

 

14 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Tate's dog from Part 1 of this season has disappeared. It must be with Tate's horse from Season 2.

That's the dog that Kayce said 'came with the house' a while back, right? I know it's been forever. I thought I saw him when they first got to the new house and Tate was walking around outside.

12 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

Kevin Costner is still listed first in the acting credits. Huh? 👀

Probably a contract thing for Season 5.

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CrazyInAlabama

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Kayce also saw a wolf from his vision quest in the meadow by the new house.  

I agree about Rainwater, and Mo Brings Plenty.  Mo Brings Plenty is also the liaison with the Native American community for the show, and the technical and cultural advisor to make sure the depictions are accurate.  

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mythoughtis

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2 hours ago, Dobian said:

It's funny that as much I hate Beth, all I want is to watch her kill Jamie in the most painful and humiliating way possible.

What I want is for a large number of the characters to be taken to the train station.   Rip, Beth, Jamie, Sarah, Sarah’s boss.  I’m sure there are more names  that need added to the list.   I think we can spare Kacey, Monica, anyone under 18 and the ranch hands.   
 

I say that even though Rip is serious eye candy. 

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bunnyface

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Rip is Beth's safe space so it makes sense to me that that is when she would fall apart.  She has her guard up with everyone but him.

It does NOT make sense that Sarah knows the house is bugged (the sex scene) and still stands there and admits she had John killed on Jamie's orders.  I also thought the plan was to kill Beth.

Also last I remember Beth was going to Texas with Rip.  How did she end up on community service?

Unlike others, I like the ranching scenes best.  It's more my world than everyone trying to kill everyone else all the time.

 

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MDL

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1) Regarding the office (?) where Sarah finalized the hit on John, did anyone else get a "gov't./CIA like" feel from it. Too big, too  technologically organized, too sterile? Not the typical TV lair of a hit man.(Then again, not a typical hit.)

2) Any indication of how much time passed between that meeting and the actual hit? Didn't the hit man/booker  say that "they" would create stories of John's mental unraveling?

 

 

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ladydove

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21 hours ago, Marley said:

If anyone should be really mad it’s Beth her mom was such a huge bitch to her.

How was the mom bad to Beth? I must  have missed that. And the whole story about Beth's forced hysterectomy would never, ever have happened in real life. Major medical malpractice, the doctor would have lost his license and the clinic shut down. Beth has a personality disorder.

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TVbitch

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I'm bummed they're making Jamie part of the hit. They were doing a kind of  decent job writing him as a sometimes sympathetic gray character, but he will be the big bad evil villain now. 

It was a refreshing surprise to see that Beth has matured, reigned in the overly dramatic theatrics, and no longer makes every situation about her. ... ... Just kidding! 🤣 

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NeenerNeener

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14 minutes ago, ladydove said:

And the whole story about Beth's forced hysterectomy would never, ever have happened in real life. Major medical malpractice, the doctor would have lost his license and the clinic shut down. Beth has a personality disorder.

He didn't  take her to a regular doctor because she didn't want her father to know. He took her to a clinic on the Rez. Unfortunately there was a policy about sterilization on the Reservation.

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Medicine Crow

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9 hours ago, bunnyface said:

Rip is Beth's safe space so it makes sense to me that that is when she would fall apart.  She has her guard up with everyone but him.

It does NOT make sense that Sarah knows the house is bugged (the sex scene) and still stands there and admits she had John killed on Jamie's orders.  I also thought the plan was to kill Beth.

Also last I remember Beth was going to Texas with Rip.  How did she end up on community service?

Unlike others, I like the ranching scenes best.  It's more my world than everyone trying to kill everyone else all the time.

 

Me too, & I wondered about that.  Anyone know?

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My recollection of the scene with Jamie and Sarah is that they were discussing Beth's elimination after she broke into his house.? I can see why Jamie might be surprised that Sarah took it to John instead. For a smart dude he's an idiot.

I enjoy the ranch scenes, but I have horses so...

Kayce took the wolf as a good omen... I hope so ...but I think not.

More Mo and Rainwater.

Not missing Summer.

I wasn't prepared for the suddenness of John's death.

Until Beth interacted with Rip I wasn't buying it. He makes her more human.

 

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Cementhead

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21 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I'm bummed they're making Jamie part of the hit. They were doing a kind of  decent job writing him as a sometimes sympathetic gray character, but he will be the big bad evil villain now. 

I agree.  The most interesting characters for me are always the ones who you both root for and hate.  I imagine the writers had to make this pivot because of the Costner exit.

 

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grommit2

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On 11/10/2024 at 11:17 PM, Madding crowd said:

I like the scenery and the cowboy stuff but not interested in a season of Beth plotting to kill Jamie and Rip treating everyone like dirt. I can’t stand either one of them and with John gone it will be just a revenge story. 

The Rip role is occasionally nasty.  Yes, he responded to the two annoyingly dressed folks who wanted to take his picture with a nasty comment.  Even worse was the death match he ordered for Lloyd and Walker. And for some reason, Taylor Sheridan insists on being the know-it-all who insults Jimmy every chance he gets.  But, I guess this is what life on a real ranch is supposed to be.

 Did I notice that John Dutton insisted that Beth was wrong and no one had figured out how to make a profit in the cattle business. eh?

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AnnA

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4 hours ago, ladydove said:

How was the mom bad to Beth? I must  have missed that. And the whole story about Beth's forced hysterectomy would never, ever have happened in real life. Major medical malpractice, the doctor would have lost his license and the clinic shut down. Beth has a personality disorder.

Not true in Beth's case.   She was taken to an Indian clinic and that was their policy.   Research it -  it's true.

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KittyQ

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On 11/11/2024 at 8:26 AM, zoey1996 said:

In the early scene, I noted they showed John's wrists, kind of a call back to Costner's role as the suicide corpse in The Big Chill.

I thought that too! It seemed a little esoteric, so I didn't mention it to my husband, though. :-) Glad someone else thought of that callback!

 

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Madding crowd

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2 hours ago, grommit2 said:

The Rip role is occasionally nasty.  Yes, he responded to the two annoyingly dressed folks who wanted to take his picture with a nasty comment.  Even worse was the death match he ordered for Lloyd and Walker. And for some reason, Taylor Sheridan insists on being the know-it-all who insults Jimmy every chance he gets.  But, I guess this is what life on a real ranch is supposed to be.

 Did I notice that John Dutton insisted that Beth was wrong and no one had figured out how to make a profit in the cattle business. eh?

Rip treats their “adopted “ son like dirt and he seems to get mad if the cowboys ever make a joke or goof around. They have a hard life and making an occasional joke or having a moment of fun shouldn’t be penalized. Rip has no sense of humor. 

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Dobian

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8 hours ago, Cementhead said:

I agree.  The most interesting characters for me are always the ones who you both root for and hate.  I imagine the writers had to make this pivot because of the Costner exit.

 

There has never been anything to root for with Jamie.  The guy is a cowardly weasel.  Actually, you can root for characters who are decidedly evil.  J.R. Ewing was an evil bastard but I found myself rooting for him all the time.  Because he was fun.  Like the rest of that old show that Yellowstone seemed to copy while leaving out all the fun parts.

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NeenerNeener

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20 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

Also last I remember Beth was going to Texas with Rip.  How did she end up on community service?

Is this her penance for attacking the drunk, obnoxious woman who told her she was going to boink Rip and asking Beth if she wanted to watch? I know Jamie got the woman to back down somewhat, but maybe he forced Beth onto the road crew anyway.

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Cementhead

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12 hours ago, Dobian said:

There has never been anything to root for with Jamie.  The guy is a cowardly weasel.  Actually, you can root for characters who are decidedly evil.  J.R. Ewing was an evil bastard but I found myself rooting for him all the time.  Because he was fun.  Like the rest of that old show that Yellowstone seemed to copy while leaving out all the fun parts.

Perhaps I used the wrong turn of phrase by saying 'root for,' but I was really just speaking of characters such as his in general.  It's been like 2 years since I last watched the show and haven't  spent much time doing a deep character study on him because for me, it's not that deep, but okay. 

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Moose135

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19 hours ago, AnnA said:

Not true in Beth's case.   She was taken to an Indian clinic and that was their policy.   Research it -  it's true.

Yes, it really happened, but the practice had ended long before Beth would have ended up in that clinic.

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KittyQ

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1 hour ago, Moose135 said:

Yes, it really happened, but the practice had ended long before Beth would have ended up in that clinic.

It also seemed strange that Jamie wouldn't have told Beth about this policy. They both wanted to keep her pregnancy a secret, so she was ok with going to the reservation clinic, but that's a big requirement for treatment, and you'd think Jamie or at least the clinic personnel would have informed Beth about it. If Beth knew, then part of her anger with Jamie is based on a falsehood.

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Medicine Crow

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41 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

It also seemed strange that Jamie wouldn't have told Beth about this policy. They both wanted to keep her pregnancy a secret, so she was ok with going to the reservation clinic, but that's a big requirement for treatment, and you'd think Jamie or at least the clinic personnel would have informed Beth about it. If Beth knew, then part of her anger with Jamie is based on a falsehood.

I'm thinking that as young as she was, the last thing she knew anything about was the reservation clinic.  (Same goes for Jamie.)  Just sayin'.

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grommit2

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Mom vs young Beth:  Why?  What did Beth do to deserve being treated with hostility? Yes, Beth was having difficulty managing her horse. But Mom's annoyance was inappropriate. And, unfortunately, fatal.
Jamie's decision to not tell Beth about the hysterectomy requirement. Clearly a little gap in the script.
Oh well...

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