Season 01

[Netfoot]

1 hour ago, HappyDancex2 said:

I’m missed the first few episodes but I assumed that only one person will win the money.  Why else have eliminations?  Is it possible for 1 or 2 people to split the money?

Multiple climbers can win and the remaining prize money will be equally divided between them. (Except they all carry an equal share of the remaining prize money so technically, the prize will already have been divided between them the night before at the last checkpoint.)

All climbers who set out from the last checkpoint must make it to the summit or nobody will win anything. Obviously, Production will want winners to make for better television. After the final eviction at the final checkpoint the night before the ascent to the summit, you will know that all remaining climbers will make it to the top and the will each get to keep what ever prize money they are already carrying. So there will be no need to watch the final episode because the outcome will be known at the end of the penultimate episode, one week before.

[MarylandGirl]

43 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

Multiple climbers can win and the remaining prize money will be equally divided between them. (Except they all carry an equal share of the remaining prize money so technically, the prize will already have been divided between them the night before at the last checkpoint.)

All climbers who set out from the last checkpoint must make it to the summit or nobody will win anything. Obviously, Production will want winners to make for better television. After the final eviction at the final checkpoint the night before the ascent to the summit, you will know that all remaining climbers will make it to the top and the will each get to keep what ever prize money they are already carrying. So there will be no need to watch the final episode because the outcome will be known at the end of the penultimate episode, one week before.

Could there be some other "Mountain's Keeper" twist in that last leg where someone else gets eliminated (and their share of the money along with them), I wonder? Or some other kind of twist?

[Netfoot]

34 minutes ago, MarylandGirl said:

Could there be some other "Mountain's Keeper" twist in that last leg where someone else gets eliminated (and their share of the money along with them), I wonder? Or some other kind of twist?

Sure. the Mountain's Keeper could in theory make up any crazy twist they want in an effort to spice up the show, but obviously, we can only speculate as to what any such twist(s) might be.

[iMonrey]

I've only seen four episodes of this show and I don't get it. The only criteria for who should be voted out should be who is slowing down the group. Nobody gets any money if they don't make it to the summit. So why do they keep talking about alliances and who's trustworthy and who's loyal and who's lying and voting out the strongest people? It makes zero sense. They seem to think they're on Survivor. What am I missing here?

Are they under the impression that there will eventually only be three people left and everyone will vote for a winner, or that there will be a final challenge for the final three and that's why they keep voting out strong people? Because that's not my understanding of how this works. Do they not know how it works? Or don't I?

Also, I call shenanigans on a lot of these challenges. There is no way some of these people could really complete them as they are presented to us. I've noticed on at least one occasion that they only show them traversing one specific spot in a challenge area, which makes me think they are only required to complete a part of it to make it. Which would also explain why they are comfortable voting out strong people. 

[Notabug]

4 hours ago, HappyDancex2 said:

Do they?  The challenges are just a time thing.  The only threat here is a twisted ankle or MCL sprain.  Or plot twist by the bearded slow talker that no one can predict.  We’ve had how many weeks of people with heights issues screaming they can’t do it….and do it.  And weeks of slow Amy and that other lady whose name I already forgot bringing up the rear with no real consequences other than one food penalty.  It feels like it will be an arbitrary decision on whether they get to the summit or not.  Whatever is best for production?

I’m missed the first few episodes but I assumed that only one person will win the money.  Why else have eliminations?  Is it possible for 1 or 2 people to split the money?

The premise is that everyone who makes it to the summit will share in the prize money.  There have been 2 seasons of the Australian version of the show and

Spoiler

In both seasons, the money was not divided equally.  In one season, an eliminated competitor got to decide how much each of the 3 or 4 finishers received.  It was fairly even.  In the next season, 3 people made it to the top and one of them got to decide how to divvy up the $600,000 or so prize.  Unsurprisingly, she decided that she deserved about $400,000 while the other two each got around $100,000.

 

[Meowwww]

Show has jumped the shark. They have ample food, laughter, clothing, in no real rush, no real danger. They get up in the morning and hang out, wander around eat.  No sense of urgency. The challenges seem to be presented as way bigger than they really are.  I’m over the crouching and posing of the host guy and the helicopter that only sometimes has wind that affects the surface.

And half the players are smugly acting like they are playing Survivor…BeckyLou I am looking at you here.  This is no survivor. 

Edited November 22, 2024 by Meowwww

[SVNBob]

16 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

Why are there no chapped lips or sunburned/windburned faces?

Nick looked like he had some chapping around his mouth during his closeups while looking at the ice climb before they all did it.

And Jennye's face looked fairly burned when she was voted out as compared to Day 1.

[gibasi]

I just want it to be over!! and Notabug's spoiler above just makes me angry about the potential end. That is not the way it is supposed to work.

[cowgirlwen]

8 hours ago, Meowwww said:

They get up in the morning and hang out, wander around eat.  No sense of urgency.

THIS!!!  Every week I've wondered why they're not packing up and hitting the trail at the crack of dawn.  If this was truly a race, and making the next pit stop was a real concern, they wouldn't be wasting time around camp every morning.

I also loved how when they first arrived at camp, Becky Lee was complaining about how freezing it was... as she was sitting there in a light blue sweater.  No coat, no hat, no gloves.  Just a sweater.  I don't think she quite grasps the concept of "freezing"! 

 

[tv echo]

I hope none of these people make it to the summit within the 14 days. I don't think I like anyone who's left. I think some of them are as bad as, if not worse than, Dennis. After rejoicing about eliminating Dennis for his lying and deceit, many of the remaining contestants start engaging in lying and deceit (or have been doing so all along). So you can add hypocrisy on top. Dennis was more open about his villainy. But all of these people lied to other people and are working for their own self-interest.

If Therron was determined to make the stupid decision to eliminate Dusty, he should have just told him so, instead of doing a blindside. I think Dusty was more hurt by the blindside than the decision. Also, the promo for this episode spoiled Therron's decision by showing Amy crying and stuck in place in the ice cave. So as soon as Therron narrowed his choices down to Dusty and Amy, I knew Dusty was out.

But more significantly for the game, their decisions make no sense (see article that I just posted in the media thread). This show is just terrible. The challenges are repetitive and not death-defying at all. When they were crawling through that ice cave, the space had to be bigger than it was edited to be - because they had a camera guy in there shooting the people! So when they were whining about the cave possibly collapsing on top of them, just look to the camera guy!

Finally, I just posted a spoiler about the season finale in the media thread, which is two episodes from now. That's the only reason I'm going to watch to the end of this season.

Spoiler

Evidently, the eliminated people will all return for the finale and play a part "in the final outcome."

Edited November 22, 2024 by tv echo

[Skooma]

1 hour ago, cowgirlwen said:

THIS!!!  Every week I've wondered why they're not packing up and hitting the trail at the crack of dawn.  If this was truly a race, and making the next pit stop was a real concern, they wouldn't be wasting time around camp every morning.

I'm sure production keeps them there until the allotted time to start for that day comes for them to leave.  Everything is production micro-managed on this silly show.

I can't believe the show has lasted 2 seasons in Australia.  I thought those guys had better tastes.

Well the show is NOT playing well here in the US and CBS would be insane to pick it up for a second season.  There is a 50% drop-off in audience from the golden lead-in they get from Survivor to this show.  Only us "completests" are left now which means I would never ever watch another episode ever if there was a season 2.

Make this stupid show go away forever.  My anal complestest personality is the bane of my existence at this point.  Stop this madness!

[Auntie Anxiety]

On 11/17/2024 at 7:45 PM, lgprimes said:

? That they should try to get everybody possible up the mountain

 

On 11/21/2024 at 8:08 AM, seacliffsal said:

  Then, there was a LOT of talk about 'final threes' from almost all of the players. 

I’ve been “watching” (background noise really) and I wondered where The Final Three rule came from. My understanding was that whoever made it to the top would split the money amongst themselves. This show sucks.

[Notabug]

34 minutes ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

 

I’ve been “watching” (background noise really) and I wondered where The Final Three rule came from. My understanding was that whoever made it to the top would split the money amongst themselves. This show sucks.

I suppose that if they know how many legs are left and that one person will be eliminated at each one, it wouldn't be hard to figure out how many will probably left at the end to reach the summit.

[KeithJ]

2 hours ago, gibasi said:

I just want it to be over!! and Notabug's spoiler above just makes me angry about the potential end. That is not the way it is supposed to work.

58 minutes ago, tv echo said:

Finally, I just posted a spoiler about the season finale in the media thread, which is two episodes from now. That's the only reason I'm going to watch to the end of this season.

This just pisses me off to no end.  I thought I may actually hate watch this next season (if it gets one) but now I don't even think I'll be able to do that.

[SVNBob]

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

When they were crawling through that ice cave, the space had to be bigger than it was edited to be - because they had a camera guy in there shooting the people! So when they were whining about the cave possibly collapsing on top of them, just look to the camera guy!

Two words: Go.  Pro.

It makes more sense to me that a small, unmanned* camera would be mounted inside that ice cave than them taking up space with and potentially putting at risk another person.

*Not totally unmanned.  Camera angle did move, so it was likely on a remote-controlled mount.  Operator was probably outside the "exit" of the cave and had the double duty of pointing this brain trust in the right direction afterwards.

[meep.meep]

Or two cameras.

I had assumed all along that everyone who got to the top would share the money equally since they have been splitting it equally all along.  So all the strategery didn't make any sense.

I still want my participation trophy if I make it to the end of this.

[lilysmom]

I've thought all along that the climbers think they are playing Survivor, just like so many of you. However, I think they crossed into Big Brother territory this past week when one of the climbers (Don't know his name, but not Therron) said he was instrumental in convincing Therron to vote out Dusty and was so glad he got rid of him without "getting any blood on his hands!"

[Tango64]

17 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Also, I call shenanigans on a lot of these challenges. There is no way some of these people could really complete them as they are presented to us. I've noticed on at least one occasion that they only show them traversing one specific spot in a challenge area, which makes me think they are only required to complete a part of it to make it. Which would also explain why they are comfortable voting out strong people. 

I will second your shenanigans with a claim of devilry and mischief. On the first episode, it seemed obvious that a good number of these people would not be able to accomplish the required tasks simply because they were not physically up to the challenge. The contestants seemed to think so, too. But they keep showing tasks that should defeat them -- or any non-athletic, non-trained couch potato -- and they breeze through it after a bit of dramatic whining and whimpering.

The ice axe climb and the long ladder climb come to mind. If you are not in great shape, those will kick your ass really quick. But they show them climbing a few rungs or a few steps while saying they can't do it, and then suddenly they're at the top. When the most out of shape, older players are still in the game and succeeding at every physically demanding task, something is afoot.

[Madding crowd]

Therron also seemed perfectly fine on the ice climb although he was crying and shaking on every other height challenge. I have wondered since the beginning why they sit around in the morning and why they don’t line up so the next person can start as soon as one reaches across but they are always sitting around watching.

[Auntie Anxiety]

The vertical that they had to use the ice picks to climb looked like it was about 6 feet in total. There was a shot of Amy standing next to it, her feet firmly planted on the ground, and the top of the wall was maybe 12 inches taller than she was. They filmed it so that it looked daunting. It can’t be said enough—this show sucks.

[Diana Berry]

On 11/22/2024 at 9:27 AM, KeithJ said:

This just pisses me off to no end.  I thought I may actually hate watch this next season (if it gets one) but now I don't even think I'll be able to do that.

Now that swoon Dusty was kicked to the curb by Jojo and her minions I’m totally going to look .

[Diana Berry]

16 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

Now that swoon Dusty was kicked to the curb by Jojo and her minions I’m totally going to look .

Update -read the spoiler.  With the demise of the swoon factor, I don’t know what to think.  It keeps getting  worse and worse. It’s laughable.

[HappyDancex2]

I will not read that spoiler.

I can’t become even more stabby with myself with another piece of information that could make this show even more unsatisfying as it’s set to be lol.

I think the final ascent should be a foot race in front of some bears.

[iMonrey]

11 hours ago, HappyDancex2 said:

I will not read that spoiler.

It's not necessarily a "spoiler," per se. It's based on how the Australian version of this show worked. Whether or not the American version follows suit is anyone's guess. I didn't see the first episode so I don't know how it was explained. 

[UncleChuck]

I can't comment on ALL of the stupid aspects of this ridiculous show, but...

It seems unfair that production forces some mandatory forfeits of a climber's money.  When production decides that one person gets cut while crossing a rope bridge, his money gets cut also.  And when production also decides that only six people get the ice climbing equipment, the seventh unlucky soul takes his money with him.  There may be more production eliminations still to come, but it just doesn't seem right that they advertise a One Million Dollar prize, yet producers know from the very beginning that they will force a reduction in the prize pot.

And when Manu joined the climbers for the vote, the close-ups on his face were ludicrous.  The climbers were all sitting there with shining, clean faces while "rugged" Manu's face was smudged with dirt like he had been cleaning the soot from a chimney.  I guess they don't have any soap and water at his base camp.

 

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

It's not necessarily a "spoiler," per se. It's based on how the Australian version of this show worked. Whether or not the American version follows suit is anyone's guess. I didn't see the first episode so I don't know how it was explained. 

The first episode of the American version didn't go into any depth at all about the way the cash might be divided.  They simply said that all of those who reached the summit would share the money.  The general assumption has been that it would be an even split.

[FlyingEgret]

Along with what appeared to be different glacier heights for different climbers, I also recall that on this episode they showed a map that had all the remaining checkpoints being on the Ridgeline. That was clearly not the case as Therron, Amy, and Jeanine had plenty of space to hold a confab away from the top while Becklee was climbing the glacier and there was plenty of space for camp and a chopper at the Checkpoint. Maybe there are just very spacious ridgelines in New Zealand.

Also - are there normally caves at the top of glaciers? 

Also #2 - since they had a rope to lead them everywhere I guess they really didn't need Dusty's navigational skills...

Also #3 - was Amy just left to deal with the storm?

[SVNBob]

12 hours ago, UncleChuck said:

but it just doesn't seem right that they advertise a One Million Dollar prize, yet producers know from the very beginning that they will force a reduction in the prize pot.

That's why they've said it's "for up to $1M", not "for $1M" like Survivor does.

[DEL901]

2 hours ago, SVNBob said:

That's why they've said it's "for up to $1M", not "for $1M" like Survivor does.

2 hours ago, SVNBob said:

It actually seems to be the way to go now…Deal or No Deal Island was able to tease a far bigger potential prize.   On the Traitors, they have to complete a bunch of challenges to determine the final prize.   

[millennium]

I have disliked weepy Therron from day one.   When he uttered that line in this episode, something like "Now they'll all realize I'm the man they can rely on," I just burst out laughing.  

When I saw Amey get to the top of the ice "cliff," my first thought was "c'mon, how hard could this really be if SHE made it?"

If I were on this show I wouldn't care at all about getting to the summit.  I'd just want to hang out with Manu and run lines from Spartacus.

Too bad this show will probably flop.  I like Manu and wish he could find something decent to star in. 

[seacliffsal]

There was one scene that I watched in disbelief-Amy was 'struggling' on the ice wall climb and fell, but she only seemed to fall a couple of feet and landed on the ground.  Yet, it was edited to show her terror as she was 'climbing' when in actuality she was barely above the ground.  Did anyone else notice this?  It really seemed like it was overdramatized for what it was.

[Notabug]

7 hours ago, SVNBob said:

That's why they've said it's "for up to $1M", not "for $1M" like Survivor does.

But even that is disingenuous when TPTB know darned well that they can control how many contestants can be removed from the game and their money forfeited.  It was never a contest for $1M, not as long as they were subjected to the stupid mountainkeeper ordering them to abandon people along the way.  They knew from the start how much the final prize was going to be and it was never $1 mil.

[iMonrey]

20 hours ago, Notabug said:

The first episode of the American version didn't go into any depth at all about the way the cash might be divided.  They simply said that all of those who reached the summit would share the money.  The general assumption has been that it would be an even split.

That's why it makes zero sense when Therron says he had to eliminate Dusty because "he's my competition." Huh? Competition for what? I thought the goal was just to reach the summit. If everyone who makes it there gets a share of the money then how are any of them in competition with each other? 

These people are either making assumptions about how this works or they've been told something we haven't been told. 

[Auntie Anxiety]

10 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

There was one scene that I watched in disbelief-Amy was 'struggling' on the ice wall climb and fell, but she only seemed to fall a couple of feet and landed on the ground.  Yet, it was edited to show her terror as she was 'climbing' when in actuality she was barely above the ground.  Did anyone else notice this?  It really seemed like it was overdramatized for what it was.

I commented about this a few days ago. The “ice wall” appeared to be all of 6 feet tall. They filmed it from an angle that made it look daunting, but at one point it showed Amy standing next to it and it wasn’t much taller than she is. This is one of the worst competitive reality shows ever. It’s like none of the powers that be gave it any thought whatsoever. We aren’t stupid and cannot be easily fooled, idiot producers!

[seacliffsal]

2 minutes ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

I commented about this a few days ago. The “ice wall” appeared to be all of 6 feet tall. They filmed it from an angle that made it look daunting, but at one point it showed Amy standing next to it and it wasn’t much taller than she is. This is one of the worst competitive reality shows ever. It’s like none of the powers that be gave it any thought whatsoever. We aren’t stupid and cannot be easily fooled, idiot producers!

Somehow I missed your original explanation (I really do try to read every comment but sometimes I miss a few).  Thanks!  I thought it was just me who noticed this so am glad to see that you also saw it.

[Auntie Anxiety]

5 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

Somehow I missed your original explanation (I really do try to read every comment but sometimes I miss a few).  Thanks!  I thought it was just me who noticed this so am glad to see that you also saw it.

I actually might have been paying attention at that particular minute. Normally, I have the show on for background noise while I check/write emails.

[SVNBob]

14 hours ago, Notabug said:

But even that is disingenuous when TPTB know darned well that they can control how many contestants can be removed from the game and their money forfeited.  It was never a contest for $1M, not as long as they were subjected to the stupid mountainkeeper ordering them to abandon people along the way.  They knew from the start how much the final prize was going to be and it was never $1 mil.

I've been thinking about this... well, tangentially... and I'm not so sure.  I think it is possible on paper for there to be an actual $1 mil prize.

There's only been 3 instances of there being eliminations not at a checkpoint camp (which removes money): Tony's medevac, Bo getting literally cut by Geoff, and the most recent Dusty-off. 

The medevac was a fluke event.  Not unanticipated by TPTB, since they were prepared for it.  But it wasn't guaranteed  to happen.  So we can ignore Tony (for this argument).  That leaves Bo and Dusty.

Bo's cut was implied to be because of the delay in getting to the first checkpoint and the climbers having to make a bivvy camp Night 1.  Then they lost another day when they stayed at one checkpoint for 24 hours due to the weather.

Two days behind schedule... two eliminations off-schedule. 

It seems possible that had there been no delays and no medevacs, there would not have been any extra cuts and the full $1 million would be in play.  They might be a little farther up, but the numbers would be around the same.

[seacliffsal]

3 hours ago, SVNBob said:

I've been thinking about this... well, tangentially... and I'm not so sure.  I think it is possible on paper for there to be an actual $1 mil prize.

There's only been 3 instances of there being eliminations not at a checkpoint camp (which removes money): Tony's medevac, Bo getting literally cut by Geoff, and the most recent Dusty-off. 

The medevac was a fluke event.  Not unanticipated by TPTB, since they were prepared for it.  But it wasn't guaranteed  to happen.  So we can ignore Tony (for this argument).  That leaves Bo and Dusty.

Bo's cut was implied to be because of the delay in getting to the first checkpoint and the climbers having to make a bivvy camp Night 1.  Then they lost another day when they stayed at one checkpoint for 24 hours due to the weather.

Two days behind schedule... two eliminations off-schedule. 

It seems possible that had there been no delays and no medevacs, there would not have been any extra cuts and the full $1 million would be in play.  They might be a little farther up, but the numbers would be around the same.

Overall, I agree with you.  But, they also cast the contestants and I think they may have cast some of them in anticipation of people dropping out/quitting.  I truly do wonder if they thought more of the cast would have quit if some of the stronger climbers did not help them as much as they did.

[Skooma]

8 hours ago, SVNBob said:

I've been thinking about this... well, tangentially... and I'm not so sure.  I think it is possible on paper for there to be an actual $1 mil prize.

There's only been 3 instances of there being eliminations not at a checkpoint camp (which removes money): Tony's medevac, Bo getting literally cut by Geoff, and the most recent Dusty-off. 

The medevac was a fluke event.  Not unanticipated by TPTB, since they were prepared for it.  But it wasn't guaranteed  to happen.  So we can ignore Tony (for this argument).  That leaves Bo and Dusty.

Bo's cut was implied to be because of the delay in getting to the first checkpoint and the climbers having to make a bivvy camp Night 1.  Then they lost another day when they stayed at one checkpoint for 24 hours due to the weather.

Two days behind schedule... two eliminations off-schedule. 

It seems possible that had there been no delays and no medevacs, there would not have been any extra cuts and the full $1 million would be in play.  They might be a little farther up, but the numbers would be around the same.

Nay.  If Tony hadn't been medevaced out there would just have been another production mandated elimination along the way.  The producers would already know what the actual prize money will be before they start filming.  If they didn't they flunked Business 101 because not knowing your ultimate expenses would be totally insane.

They just hoped more people would have had to be removed without them having to make up stories for dropping people mid-route because it would have made for better TV but the rest refused to go and production had to start outright eliminating them in route.

[HappyDancex2]

All I see is a 2 week all expense paid trip doing adventure things.  I’ve been doing this for 4 years and paid between 10-15k for one week, not including airfare.  There is little threat to dying.  I say little because a fellow traveler attempted a gorge jump in Africa and like any adventure item hundreds of people do them a day.  Well she hesitated off the edge and jumped into the edge of the platform grabbing it.  Looked innocuous enough other than the fact that she broke her leg.  Sheer to the bone.  So while there is little risk, there is not zero risk.  But for the most part people pay for these experiences.

someone is going to end up with about 350k after taxes.  Not a bad haul.  

[HappyDancex2]

Theron called nick a master strategist?  What strategy is necessary for this game?  A walk in a straight line??

[HappyDancex2]

I hope they vote off Jo Jo siwa.

nicks girlfriend looks so young…I thought she was his 14 year old sister!  Forgot that he’s just a college kid himself.  He looks 38 in this series but he’s wrapped in a hat and coat and cold sore so frankly everyone looks age shifted lol.

I’ve never hate watched a show before. 🤠

[HappyDancex2]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-F

was that the spoiler?  So it does turn into survivor with a jury?  So how does a second season work?  Only the first season gets blindsided by a jury?

[Madding crowd]

Happy to see Becky Lee go; her constant insistence that she is running everything and they won’t make the summit without her made me dislike her. I also thought Nick’s girlfriend looked like a child in that video but they showed pictures of her in previous episodes and she looked older. 

[Thalia]

I haven't watched this show closely enough to know if BeckyLee was lying or telling the truth during the vote.   But I DO know that she is really, really impressed with herself and that I've disliked her since Ep. 1.  And if she had harangued me the way she was haranging/bullying Jen before the vote I would have announced my vote before we sat down.  

[seltzer3]

The open voting is so stupid.  Like it was a good thing that Punkin stuck to her guns and voted off Becky.  Because we easily could have a situation that Punkin and Jeannie switch their votes with Becky pleading halfway in the voting.  Like that's super messy in terms of logistics, in this open vote where people can constantly switch back and forth.

Lol when I said that the summit had a hard time deciding whether it was supposed to be survivor or not, I wasn't expecting them to actually have a jury.  Like WTF?!

Also, is it everyone?  Including the guy that tripped in the first episode?

I'm guessing Punkin is probably the frontrunner to win, if she makes it to the final.  I feel like people would be pissed at Nick and Theron (Becky, Dustin, Amy etc.).  And not sure if people respect Jeannie.  So I feel like Punkin only has Becky that is pissed off at her.

[KeithJ]

Only one hour tonight?  Feels like a hour is enough and it could have been even shorter without the videos.

One thing I just don’t get on shows like this is the relationship between Punkin and Beckylee.  They have been tight from day one but one person says one thing to Punkin and she immediately turns on Beckylee?  Whatever.  Obviously they make it to the summit and it seems like only one of them will win it all? Bring on the bitter jury!

[Auntie Anxiety]

What a stupid show. What’s the point of scheming your way to the summit if you’re not guaranteed a pay day LIKE YOU WERE PROMISED ON DAY ONE? As if that’s not ridiculous enough, Manu is zero added value to the show.  

[HappyDancex2]

2 hours ago, KeithJ said:

Only one hour tonight?  Feels like a hour is enough and it could have been even shorter without the videos.

One thing I just don’t get on shows like this is the relationship between Punkin and Beckylee.  They have been tight from day one but one person says one thing to Punkin and she immediately turns on Beckylee?  Whatever.  Obviously they make it to the summit and it seems like only one of them will win it all? Bring on the bitter jury!

I get what you are saying about punkin turning on beckylee but beckylee was scrambling and her unstable energy and insistence just made her look even more trustworthy.  Nick just made a mood first and looked more confident and BL ran around and pleaded her case.  She got outplayed.  She was so bitter and whiny….shows her immaturity and self grandizing mindset.  

[Skooma]

7 hours ago, HappyDancex2 said:

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-F

was that the spoiler?  So it does turn into survivor with a jury?  So how does a second season work?  Only the first season gets blindsided by a jury?

If there is any justice (and common sense) left in the world there will be NO second season.

Best part of tonight's show is they cut it down to an hour so we got a "Ghosts" re-run from last season that was a hundred times better than this show.