Season 04

[Netfoot]

I can see why Scola knocked boots with Nina last year, but I can also see why he ghosted her afterwards.

She is the exact opposite to my Mo. "No" was the first word she ever learned, whereas Mo doesn't know what it means to this very day.

[nittany cougar]

36 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

I can see why Scola knocked boots with Nina last year, but I can also see why he ghosted her afterwards.

She is the exact opposite to my Mo. "No" was the first word she ever learned, whereas Mo doesn't know what it means to this very day.

I have to say that I cracked up at Tiff's side eye in interrogation after Scola told her that he had slept with Nina.  Her expression was priceless.  I could go for more of that dynamic.

[AnnA]

On 4/12/2022 at 8:03 PM, JPPT1974 said:

Really am getting to dislike Scola more and more. He comes off IMHO as smug and Mr. Know It All. Ever since he is with Tiffany she brings out the worst in him. Though I have no problem with her as others do. Really Stuart is becoming such a major league bleep.

I feel just the opposite.  I love Scola and enjoy the show so much more when he and Tiffany take the lead in the case of the week.  I'm tired of OA and Maggie.  They're certainly not the only agents in the NY office but it seemed that way.

Edited April 15, 2022 by AnnA

[SunnyBeBe]

Nina seemed very immature to me.  The way she bragged about this not being her first undercover setup…..she seemed very fake to me.  All the loud protests about her doing it her way!  Ughhhh….She seems to throw a temper tantrum if things don’t go her way.  

[Xeliou66]

Wow that was an intense episode - I knew they wouldn’t kill off Maggie but it was still intense and had me on the edge of my seat. This was a good episode, better than most terrorism centric episodes, the intensity was well done and each character had good moments. I would like for more scenes at headquarters with Jubal and his team of analysts, but this was strong and had good investigation, good intensity and good moments for each character. I enjoyed it, this season has been strong, I’ll miss Maggie while she’s out, I wonder if they will bring anyone new in or just go with who they have.

[12catcrazy]

I believe that I said something months ago that Missy Peregrym was pregnant because of how she started wearing very loose shirts and then she always had a jacket on and even with the jacket, they started shooting her above the waist.   Last night's episode was obviously the actress going out on maternity leave while "Maggie" recovers from her ordeal.   It was a pretty decent episode but I guess there are no SWAT teams located north of NYC?  You'd think if they could helicopter up the two agents, they could also helicopter up some backup.  Eye roll here.  

[preeya]

42 minutes ago, 12catcrazy said:

I believe that I said something months ago that Missy Peregrym was pregnant because of how she started wearing very loose shirts and then she always had a jacket on and even with the jacket, they started shooting her above the waist.   Last night's episode was obviously the actress going out on maternity leave while "Maggie" recovers from her ordeal.   It was a pretty decent episode but I guess there are no SWAT teams located north of NYC?  You'd think if they could helicopter up the two agents, they could also helicopter up some backup.  Eye roll here.  

Also, what "abandoned" labratories have working cameras with live streaming capabilities?

And why did the manner in which OA saw and described the impact of the poison gas on humans, not apply to both him and Maggie? Under his description, they would both be DOA.

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

You'd think if they could helicopter up the two agents, they could also helicopter up some backup.  Eye roll here.  

Not as big as my eye roll 🙄 over them knowing they were helicoptering into a mad scientist’s lair full of deadly ☠️ poison gas WITHOUT ANY RESPIRATORS or other protective gear. And double eye roll 🙄 🙄 that Jubal sent them in without the gear that was 10 or 15 minutes out. 
I didn’t understand how “they could release the gas” from an isolated lab in any manner that would endanger more lives than having 2 agents barge into IED-boobytraps with no gear to protect against the gas.   
</end_rant> 

I did think they were killing Maggie off.  

Are we supposed to understand that OA is in love with Maggie?

[Maren]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

 Are we supposed to understand that OA is in love with Maggie?

I was actually wondering that too. They've always been tight, so it could just be the partner/platonic soulmates dynamic. But with shows, you never know if its that or implying something romantic...

And regarding the idiocy of them running in with no protective gear...This show does still love making their agents look incompetent, sigh. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Maren
Messed up on the quote lol

[Netfoot]

IED. Improvised Explosive Device. Home-made bomb, in other words. So a Claymore mine (invented by a fellow member of the clan around the time I was born, and manufactured in vast numbers since) can hardly be an IED, can it? Especially since they were deployed in the exact manner for which they were designed?

I've thought for a while they've been phasing out Maggie in favour of Tiff. I suppose pregnancy is as good a reason as any. But this has happened before, right? Maybe someone should take Maggie aside and explain to her what's causing it?

Sarin gas!!! If this shit gets out, it will turn everyone for miles around into jellyfish! Wait, Maggie trapped in an airtight lab with the stuff? Bust that glass immediately so we can get in (and the sarin out) ASAP!  Public safety be damnned! We are the FBI, after all. Ruby Ridge be damned! We'll shoot your dog!

(And by the way, if two whacks with the world's puniest fire extinguisher was all it took after you fired half a clip from your sidearm with little effect? I'd suggest switching from that .32 ACP you've been carrying to a 10mm as soon as you can teach yourself to fire it without soiling your shorts.)

[GiandujaPie]

When that FBI doctor was advising OA to find some kind of PPE, even if it was just a surgical mask, I kept thinking that it was too bad the mask mandates had been lifted or else he'd definitely have a KN95 or some other mask with him. LOL

[millennium]

On 4/12/2022 at 11:35 PM, MerBearHou said:

I laughed when Stuart said to Nina “c’mon, I just saved your life — at least let me buy you a piece of fish or something”.  It was so clunky and yet sincere.  And Nina said “you are not buying me a piece of fish.  I want a steak”.  

I enjoyed tonight — everyone got to do something — it wasn’t the OA and Maggie show.  Of course, so many bullets flying with very poor aim.

This was a good episode.   I don't usually warm up to Scola but this episode humanized him some.   I liked the Nina character too.

[Dowel Jones]

It's too bad that NYC doesn't have, you know, an organized police force that could respond to emergencies in each borough in a fraction of the time it takes to dispatch one of two FBI teams from the war room every time.

[mommalib]

I think I'm supposed to be rooting for Isabel but I find her to cold and smug. And she she really pissed me off when she jumped out the window about a Black suspect. ither a lack of awareness or she just don't give a damn. 

[Xeliou66]

This was a stellar episode, I did correctly spot the killer the moment he appeared onscreen, but it was still an intense and compelling hour. Something about the dad was extremely off in his first scene and I predicted he was the murderer, and everything seemed to fit from there on out, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the episode.

The opening was one of the show’s most intense, reminded me of a Most Wanted opening, and the scenes at Isobel’s house were intense as well. I loved the Jubal/Isobel scenes in this episode, they have very strong chemistry together - they were good together all the way back in the day on L&O as Lupo and Rubirosa, and I really liked the scenes between Jubal/Isobel tonight, Jubal is usually very laid back and his intensity when calling Isobel and getting to her house was notable.

Everyone got something to do in this episode - Nina seems like a good temporary replacement for Maggie and fit right in and I was glad there was no tension between her and Scola, and everyone got an equal amount of screen time, and there was good stuff for Jubal and his room of agents as well. The investigation was good and despite me predicting the killer the intensity was there from start to finish.

Only thing I found off was that they hadn’t warned the daughter’s school about the killer maybe coming there, but maybe he arrived before they could call.

Overall a stellar episode, the show is on a run of good episodes right now and it’s a very enjoyable show to watch.

[preeya]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Jubal/Isobel tonight, Jubal is usually very laid back and his intensity when calling Isobel and getting to her house was notable.

Can't agree with you here. The dumb bitch is an FBI agent and goes after a perp in her own apartment with a vase, then the perp escapes and then she decides to get her gun. That was a bullshit scene just to keep the "suspense" of the episode continuing.

It ended well, but just didn't feel right. I guess Isobel's attitude needs some polishing. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by preeya

[nittany cougar]

I want to know how in the hell Isobel can afford a townhome in Chelsea on a federal salary.  The top federal civilian pay is around $200k.  There's no way that she could afford a townhome worth several million unless she bought it with her dad's money.  And we know that's not likely since she was really hating on her daddy a few episodes ago, with the patented Isobel stare of derision.

Also, how in the hell did Jubal know Isobel's address by heart?  I don't know the address of any co-workers.  Has he been there before, if you know what I'm saying.

[shapeshifter]

9 hours ago, preeya said:

Can't agree with you here. The dumb bitch is an FBI agent and goes after a perp in her own apartment with a vase, then the perp escapes and then she decides to get her gun. That was a bullshit scene just to keep the "suspense" of the episode continuing.

You are right about it being "a bullshit scene just to keep the "suspense" of the episode continuing," but having seen the same scenario on several other shows,  I was familiar with the trope of the law enforcement person (often female?) alone in their home when a killer enters the home at a point effectively separating the intended victim and the victim's gun
--which didn't keep me from rolling my eyes, but at least allowed me to hand wave the premise.
In the episode of The Closer, 6.6 "Off the Hook" the writers did a better and more creative job of hanging a lantern on the trope by revealing early on that the victim's gun was missing, and then later revealing that the gun was stolen previously by the perp. (Thank you, Mr. Chekhov. 🙇‍♀️)
I guess in this case Isobel would not carry a gun because of NYC carry laws?
But given her professional position . . . ? IDK 🤷‍♀️

 

1 minute ago, nittany cougar said:

Also, how in the hell did Jubal know Isobel's address by heart?  I don't know the address of any co-workers.  Has he been there before, if you know what I'm saying.

Heh. I thought the same, and have often wondered if that is an endgame OTP (One True Pairing). 
But cops and fibbies on TV shows seem to all have eidetic memories for addresses. 

[preeya]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

alone in their home when a killer enters the home at a point effectively separating the intended victim and the victim's gun

She was talking on the phone with Jubal before she heard the perp entering. She had plenty of time get her gun

[Netfoot]

12 hours ago, preeya said:

Can't agree with you here. The dumb bitch is an FBI agent and goes after a perp in her own apartment with a vase, then the perp escapes and then she decides to get her gun. That was a bullshit scene just to keep the "suspense" of the episode continuing.

Totally.

She's an FBI SAC and goes after the guy with a lamp? (Or whatever.) And it isn't like she had no warning. She got the phonecall in plenty of time to get her sidearm.

Why are they all "Get oudda there!" I'd have thought "Hold him until we get there!" would have been a more appropriate suggestion.

Oh, I see! One of the few female SAC in the whole FBI but still a woman! So put your high heels on, sweetheart, and run screaming like in a Hitchcock movie!

Such bullshit.

1 hour ago, preeya said:

She was talking on the phone with Jubal before she heard the perp entering. She had plenty of time get her gun

Thank you.

Oh, and Behavioral Sciences Guy - is he there to phase her out? Does Alana De La Garza want to leave the show? To be honest, when the attacker's face turned out to be a rubber mask, BSG sprang immediately (if only briefly) to mind...

I mean, he arrives in the office, saying "I've been sent down here..." Did anybody check him out? It would only take Jubal's team 300 milliseconds to determine if he's circumcised or not, and if so, to obtain before and after photographs. Yet, I don't recall anybody verifying his story. (But then I'm old and my mind is beginning to wander...)

[EtheltoTillie]

I did not pick out the dad as perp, as he wasn't tall.  Am I missing something?

I laughed at this week's obligatory "hey you stop" scene followed by a run by the non perp.  Why not station someone else in the front to catch the runner?

[preeya]

1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I did not pick out the dad as perp, as he wasn't tall.  Am I missing something?

I laughed at this week's obligatory "hey you stop" scene followed by a run by the non perp.  Why not station someone else in the front to catch the runner?

Because that is too logical and it would defeat the every FBI & police show's "runner of the week" scene.

[morriss]

I think I will cross this show off my watch list.   The repetitive foot chases, Tiff always somehow getting ahead and football tackling a much larger perp, and Isobel's numerous power trips. The whole m.o of the FBI -  constantly putting the squeeze on innocent people to get what they want is  quite tiresome to say the least.

[NYGirl]

2 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I laughed at this week's obligatory "hey you stop" scene followed by a run by the non perp.  Why not station someone else in the front to catch the runner?

As soon as they got to the garage where he was working I knew they'd yell FBI while far away.  They could have walked right up to him to talk to him.  

I get so annoyed at this every single week

[shapeshifter]

7 hours ago, Netfoot said:

Behavioral Sciences Guy - is he there to phase her out? Does Alana De La Garza want to leave the show?

I think🤔 I would be happy see Alana De La Garza leave this show to replace retiring Sam Waterston as DA on the currently airing reboot/season 21 of L&O, especially if Jeremy Sisto gets to be a lawyer of some sort on L&O too.
But the writing on the new season of L&O is a little iffy, and I actually like Scola and Tiff on FBI.

[WendyCR72]

31 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I think🤔 I would be happy see Alana De La Garza leave this show to replace retiring Sam Waterston as DA on the currently airing reboot/season 21 of L&O, especially if Jeremy Sisto gets to be a lawyer of some sort on L&O too.

Well, he was a cop studying to be a lawyer and partnered with Anthony Anderson's character for two or three seasons until the Mothership got cancelled in 2010. So, both Sisto and De La Garza have prior ties to that show...

[hifihifi]

If I'm not mistake the perp was shown to be Sophie's ex husband on This is Us which I think follows immediately after FBI, lol.  Isabel not getting her gun was the most idiotic scene in the history of TV next to Maggie not following protocol & going in unmasked.

[preeya]

3 minutes ago, hifihifi said:

If I'm not mistake the perp was shown to be Sophie's ex husband on This is Us which I think follows immediately after FBI, lol.  Isabel not getting her gun was the most idiotic scene in the history of TV next to Maggie not following protocol & going in unmasked.

Yes, I recognized the "This is us" guy. And YES, YES the "not getting the gun scene" was the ultimate faux pas in this FBI series.

[catrice2]

So many things...but they immediately gave it away to me they way they talked about his alibi and being at a job interview out of town.  Sealed the deal and I was not wrong.  Very lazy to not even consider he had left town and drove back.. .

I actually have watched the show more when they stopped focusing on OA and Maggie.  Both of them of are not my favorite, so it has been great to see more of the rest of the cast.  I don't know what it is, but OA is just awkward to me and not a great actor. 

I am slowly, very slowly warming to Tiffany, but I am tired of seeing her and Scola running. 

I just can't with sitting on the phone just watching the guy come up the stairs on the monitors and when he had left the room going at him with a weak bop on the head. If he had left the room, why not just stay in your position as you know help was on the way? 

Too many other issues with the episode to list.  Not liking the replacement, but hopefully she is temporary.  I mean, they saw the layout, I don't understand why someone was not already approaching from the other direction when she so bravely did and tackeled the dad.  Also, could none of them shoot the gun from his hand or shoot his shoulder? There was opportunity when he didn't have the gun directly on the daughter's temple.  

[shapeshifter]

I thought it was the dad when he coached the daughter:

• “Now, Brooke, honey, I, um-- I need you to tell them what you told me about the guy that you saw, kay?”

—which is perp code to kid for: “Tell them what we practiced saying.”

[Dowel Jones]

On 4/27/2022 at 8:23 AM, Netfoot said:

Did anybody check him out? It would only take Jubal's team 300 milliseconds to determine if he's circumcised or not, and if so, to obtain before and after photographs.

But they did find out that he played quarterback on his high school team, and repeatedly threw passes on second down despite what the coach ordered.  Oh, and he owns a Celine Dion CD.

[catrice2]

I have tried so hard to warm to OA.  I don't know if it is his height, his acting,or a combo, but he just looks so awkward to me.🤔

[MerBearHou]

Bad news for Maggie — I’m really liking Nina.  JK, the show can have both actresses / characters.  We shall see.  

When the officers on any of these shows tackle the bad guys after the required crazy foot chase, the bad guys’ heads often slam onto the pavement.  I mean, how does that not kill the person?  

[shapeshifter]

I may have missed it, but did they ever prove via DNA or fingerprints or whatever that the guy OA said was Tamir (with plastic surgery to prevent facial recognition) really was Tamir?

[Xeliou66]

This was another strong episode - good case, good investigative work and a nice role for each character.

I had a feeling OA’s gut would be right in the end, but it was still an intense case with good suspense. We got not 1 but 2 foot chases in this one, those used to bother me but now I just accept them as part of the show.

I hope they were able to build a case against Tamir’s partner for being involved in the murder, that seemed to get lost in the shuffle, he would definitely be going away on some drug charges but I hope they nailed him for being an accomplice to the TSA’s agent murder.

A nice role for each character - it was OA and Nina centric but Jubal got a nice role as well, my favorite part of the show is Jubal and his room of agents going over the information on the case, and I liked seeing Jubal get out in the field at the end as well. Not a lot of Scola/Tiffany but they were good and I did like the scene of Scola undercover at the airport.

This show is on a roll of good episodes right now, and I’m thrilled that the FBI’s have been renewed for 2 more seasons!! 

[preeya]

3 hours ago, catrice2 said:

I have tried so hard to warm to OA.  I don't know if it is his height, his acting,or a combo, but he just looks so awkward to me.🤔

Me too. He's got a very strange aura and always seems to have a chip on his shoulder. He frequently talks down to his co-workers in a condescending tone.

On another note did he say, less than one minute after killing Tamir, that the ballistics came back on the gun?? I don't think that's possible.

Note #2, re: the weekly runners. Anyone with knowledge of football should be in awe of those blindside take downs. Bill Belichick would even smile.

Scola looked like a dork in the red puffy jacket.

[Netfoot]

So, OA was proved correct, as was obviously going to happen from the beginning.

But right up until the end, all evidence pointed to Wossname being long dead, all witness accounts were negative and OA himself was obviously acting under a condition of extreme stress, in what looked like an irrational manor. 

Under the circumstances as known right up until just before the climax, why wasn't he benched?

I also note that they used the Long-Range FBI Hail twice in this episode. But I suppose Tiffany needs to practice her Clothesline. Which is just about the only maneuver she seems to know, so...

[UnknownK]

Just once I want to see hair out of place, major sweating, being out of breath, or just slipping in office dress shoes after a major 2 block chase scene.

[Dowel Jones]

That TSA agent should have gone ahead and worn a red shirt to her meeting with the bad guys.  "Let's see, they paid me an obscene amount of money to assist in smuggling drugs or something through the airport, but I'm scared now, so I'll agree to meet them in a deserted warehouse at night and tell them the deal's off.  What could go wrong?"

Just think of what might have happened if OA and his team had decided to meet at the bad guy restaurant that morning.

[amarante]

22 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

 

I hope they were able to build a case against Tamir’s partner for being involved in the murder, that seemed to get lost in the shuffle, he would definitely be going away on some drug charges but I hope they nailed him for being an accomplice to the TSA’s agent murder.

 

I realize there is emotional closure for getting the murder conviction but realistically I would think the domestic terrorism is the most serious charge and he was on tape handing a bomb to someone with instructions on how to get it on the plane.

That gets you a cell in a Supermax prison for life without possibility of parole. 

Not that murder isn't a serious felony but realistically - taking away the domestic terrorism - it was just a murder which gets you 25 to life in New York State although I am not sure whether the murder of a TSA agent makes it completely within the jurisdiction of the Federal government.

[FinnishViewer]

On 5/11/2022 at 8:07 AM, preeya said:

He's got a very strange aura and always seems to have a chip on his shoulder

He's an FBI agent, who is also a muslim. I think that plays into his having a chip on his shoulder quite a bit.

[Dowel Jones]

I noticed something that went by in a flash, and not at all relevant to the plot, but as one of the female analysts in the war room brings up a point, Jubal walks by her and pats her on the shoulder.  It may seem innocent enough, and maybe it was just Sisto carrying through with his character, but it's a really bad idea to touch other people in your professional setting, even if you're "sure" that they're okay with it.

[milkyaqua]

7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I noticed something that went by in a flash, and not at all relevant to the plot, but as one of the female analysts in the war room brings up a point, Jubal walks by her and pats her on the shoulder.  It may seem innocent enough, and maybe it was just Sisto carrying through with his character, but it's a really bad idea to touch other people in your professional setting, even if you're "sure" that they're okay with it.

Yes, didn't notice but I think a lot of us have attended or had the EEO presentation about what is and isn't considered acceptable behavior and yes, a pat on the shoulder these days can be seen as not good.  Probably not as bad as the days of guys who used to address all the females in the office as "sweet heart" or "honey" but still not good.

[mommalib]

I wish Tiffany had said to Nina that even though she grew up in a trailer she's still a privileged White woman. 

[MerBearHou]

It was an OK episode for me.  It was so Nina-Tiffany-relationship-heavy that the plot and the other FBI agents and teamwork faded way into the background, and that’s not why I watch any of the FBI shows.  

[Xeliou66]

This was another stellar episode - good investigation, I liked seeing everyone put the pieces together, everyone got some good screen time, it was Tiffany/Nina centric but I thought everyone got a nice role and it was a good case.

I have to say I didn’t feel for Kayla at all at the end - they warned her about Trey and that he was a murderer but she still chose to meet him and attempt to flee with him instead of just going to her sister’s. She made her own bed, and then acted like the FBI ruined her life, no they didn’t, her boyfriend and her boss were criminals and killers and she still chose to go to her boyfriend despite that, so her complaining was kind of pathetic IMO.

I sided with Tiffany in her debate with Nina, though I understood where both characters were coming from - their obligation wasn’t to Kayla, it was to the victims, their families, and everyone else being threatened by the gang. Lives were at stake and the best way to bring down the criminals was to use Kayla as an informant, they did everything properly.

I loved Scola undercover at the restaurant - the scenes where he goes undercover are usually pretty great. The show does a good job with intense scenes, despite knowing things will usually turn out fine, the show does a good job of keeping the intensity up.

Jubal and his room of agents were good as always.

Overall the show has had a string of strong episodes lately - hopefully they finish season 4 strong next week and I’m thrilled the show will be back for seasons 5-6.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Xeliou66

[MerBearHou]

2 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I loved Scola undercover at the restaurant - the scenes where he goes undercover are usually pretty great.

Too too funny.  Well done by Scola.  

Agree completely, Xeliou66 — I felt no sympathy for Kayla when she blamed the FBI.  She was in too deep and drawn to the flame.  

[Dowel Jones]

As soon as they brought up the face of the parolee on the big board I said "There's your runner."  Sure enough.

So Nina bought a Rolex out of graduation.  Ladies' Rolexes run anywhere from $7000-$25000.  And she's kicking down $500 a month to the orphan.  Life is good.

I was rather hoping that Kayla was pulling a Keyser Sose on the FBI and was really in charge of the syndicate.  She had her boyfriend kill on request and, poof, she was gone.

Did anyone in the FBI think to raid the bodega now that they had proof of drug sales?

[shapeshifter]

58 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

I was rather hoping that Kayla was pulling a Keyser Sose on the FBI and was really in charge of the syndicate.  She had her boyfriend kill on request and, poof, she was gone

Not so much “hoping” as thinking Kayla had to be in on it, because how could she not notice how scary her ninja assassin bf was?  
But I guess her being an addict in denial of her addiction implies she was in denial about other aspects of her life too.  

[Cristofle]

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

they warned her about Trey and that he was a murderer but she still chose to meet him and attempt to flee with him instead of just going to her sister’s.

Yes. I sort of expected Trey to surprise ambush and kill her, because it was obvious the episode was leading us to a moment where Nina was going to argue that she'd been right that the FBI shouldn't have involved Kayla. But then it was just...she was stupid enough to try and go on the run with him, even though the FBI clearly warned her that he was a murderer? So she got arrested? That seems like her stupid decision, not the FBI's.