Season 04

[Xeliou66]

Is anyone else excited for the shows return tonight? I’m looking forward to the 3 hour FBI crossover event tonight.

[MerBearHou]

21 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Is anyone else excited for the shows return tonight? I’m looking forward to the 3 hour FBI crossover event tonight.

I am!  I thought I'd love the Most Wanted version, but it was a distant second for me over the original FBI.  Hoping for a winner with FBI International.  We shall see!

[WendyCR72]

Description of the season premiere, and the first of a 3-way crossover with FBI: Most Wanted and FBI: International, airing tonight:

S04.E01: All That Glitters (1):

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After a young woman is killed on her way home from a lavish yacht party, the team investigates who she was and how she came to be at the event, which was attended by some of the most influential people in the world. Also, Maggie brings Crosby into the investigation after a murder suspect is identified as a veteran who had been on several Army operations with Crosby.

 

[AnnA]

I was really hoping to see more of Tiffany and Scota (s?) but so far I have not.

[Xeliou66]

So here are my thoughts on hour one - I’ve just watched it, and I’ll post my thoughts on hour 2 on the MW thread and hour 3 on the International thread. 

Good start with the murders in Budapest and in NYC.

Great to see all the characters back!! I liked Jubal telling Elise it was good she was back, that was a nice moment.

A very complex investigation but I liked it - I called the woman who hosted the party on the yacht and her boss as villains from the start, but I’m not sure what role they are playing or who the ultimate villain is.

I liked seeing Kenny brought in from MW, and I didn’t see it coming that he would get shot. Jess snapping at Maggie was totally uncalled for, Crosby would’ve gotten involved whether Jess had been notified or not.

Not enough Scola/Tiffany. They seemed to take a backseat in this one, they did get an entertaining scene where they questioned the douchebag movie director, but they weren’t in this one much.

I was very surprised when the teenager died, I thought they would save her. I was also shocked when Tate was killed, I thought he would be the ultimate villain they were pursuing, but with him dead, who was behind that? It’s clear Tate hired the ex army guy to kill the girl and her pimp and the guy in Budapest, but now who killed Tate? I look forward to seeing what’s really going on here.

Overall a compelling start to the season, I really like this show and I’m glad it’s back with all of the characters returning. 

[12catcrazy]

I used to like this show, but I'm getting fed up to here with Dick Wolf shows in general.  

No shock to me that the 15 year girl was killed because, Dick Wolf show.  She was playing for pay so she was going to pay for that.   These Dick Wolf shows are both prurient and hand-wringingly moralistic - kind of reminds me of reading about the B movies where the wages of sin was usually death but the movie goers got to see all the fun stuff that sin was about.   

And we also have the "ripped from headlines" currency.  Just this morning there was something in the NY Daily News about 2 women suing some billionaire capital investment guy claiming that Epstein had set them up and they were raped and sexually abused.   Made me immediately think of this FBI episode.   In real life, he won't be shot in the head and fly off the top of a high rise like in our fantasy tv show.  

[SuzieQ]

I don't watch Most Wanted and don't want to watch the International one either.  Hate that I had to, to find out what happened.  Original FBI is solid but no love for the other 2.

[EtheltoTillie]

This was a Jeffrey Epstein story with too many people getting killed.  It was sort of insane (referring to the crossover episodes, where most of the killings took place).

[Netfoot]

FBI International ?!?? What, like "Team America: World Police" you mean?

Next week, Scotland Yard International will deploy a team of armed personnel on US soil without bothering to liaise with anyone in the USA. And the Yemeni CSF International  will do rhe same. And US government and law enforcement will be just fine with that.  Because if they can operate globally and ignore the sovereignty of every other nation in the world, they won't object if other nations do the same to them.

Right?

[AnnA]

I didn't like this episode at all.    It was too predictable and I'm tired of the subject matter.  Every TV show has done a version of Jeffrey Epstein's trafficking theme involving eastern Europeans.  Three crossover shows in a row was overkill.  I watched two and fell asleep during the third one.  I don't even care how it ended.  

Edited September 23, 2021 by AnnA

[shapeshifter]

9 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

And we also have the "ripped from headlines" currency.  Just this morning there was something in the NY Daily News about 2 women suing some billionaire capital investment guy claiming that Epstein had set them up and they were raped and sexually abused.   Made me immediately think of this FBI episode.   In real life, he won't be shot in the head and fly off the top of a high rise like in our fantasy tv show.  

Well, Jeffrey Epstein did die in jail under questionable circumstances (suicide or murder?) as with this guy, who the stylists made to resemble Epstein. So. Yeah.

I watched just the FBI portion. I think? I streamed it today, and it seemed a little long, and then I was told I needed to do something else to watch the rest, so I think I saw 10 minutes of part 2. 
Yawn.

 

9 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

I used to like this show, but I'm getting fed up to here with Dick Wolf shows in general.  

No shock to me that the 15 year girl was killed because, Dick Wolf show.  She was playing for pay so she was going to pay for that.   These Dick Wolf shows are both prurient and hand-wringingly moralistic - kind of reminds me of reading about the B movies where the wages of sin was usually death but the movie goers got to see all the fun stuff  that sin was about. 

Not just Dick Wolf. This has been par for the course since 1970s shows.
But you're not wrong in your critique. 

[mxc90]

We could have saved 3 hours if Curt the assassin didn't kill Nicole on Federal property. If only he had handled his business a few blocks up and the NYPD would have been clueless to solve this. 

It was funny seeing Nicole take a few steps and thought she gave him the slip.

Jess' blame on Maggie was little off. First, he should blame the agent with the "photographic memory" to remember Crosby's military unit/give him a call and then he should have blasted both Maggie and OA for not backing up Kenny. They were right behind Crosby as he sped off to catch Curt and were no where to be found as Crosby was in a stand off with Curt, and then got shot. Did Maggie and OA stop off to pick some fruit leaving Crosby alone? Or was their SUV not in good condition for off road drive?

I give Julia's friend Sophie credit for not spreading gossip around school that her friend is "with" old men. But she wasted no time blabbing to the FBI about it.

Poor Elise must have been banished out of the JOC for a long time. 

Not sure why Curt's sweaty friend decided to run from the FBI as he wasn't the one they were after.

Did the agents not hear the gun shot before the man came falling down? They didn't go and search the building immediately to find the shooter. 

 

[shapeshifter]

4 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

Not sure why Curt's sweaty friend decided to run from the FBI as he wasn't the one they were after.

Curt’s friend was a recently released offender who rightly (probably?) assumed he was violating the terms of his parole by working on some shady stuff. 

[mxc90]

10 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Curt’s friend was a recently released offender who rightly (probably?) assumed he was violating the terms of his parole by working on some shady stuff. 

He said he was on probation (didn't say for what for) and answers the phone for CW Solutions (supposed a security firm). Just tell them that and have the FBI come back with a warrant if they want to search the place. He crumbled.

[Rambler]

Crosby, ya big lunkhead, don't you know basic police procedure? When confronting an armed suspect who has just fled the scene, you are supposed to have your gun out and pointed at him. I don't care if he was your best friend, let alone someone "I barely knew".

And LaCroix, it was Jubal who ordered Maggie to contact Crosby directly. If you have to yell at someone, go take it up with Jubal.

Team Most Wanted not starting out the new season strongly.

[WendyCR72]

S04.E02: Hacktivist

Airing tonight, September 28, 2021:

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Maggie, OA and the team must stop a hacker who is disabling life-saving equipment in several New York City hospitals, while demanding a full investigation into the recently deceased patients of a local psychiatric facility. With Jubal’s son waiting for important surgery at one of the impacted hospitals, Jubal’s adamant about remaining involved in the case despite Isobel’s reservations.

 

[mxc90]

Isobel tells Rina: Jubal running point at the hospital could be complicated because his son is there and she tells her he'll be fine. Then she's at the hospital, sees Jubal close to losing it, then she's concern for a minute and does nothing about it.

Is Rina necessary for the show? Having Isobel be the boss of Jubal/JOC is plenty enough. Now we have the boss of Isobel to take screen time.

Tiffany couldn't tell the guy on the bike to get of the way. She just tossed Jason right on him. Poor man had to pickup all the cans he collected.

Jason Cook is a worthless ass. Not one hospital but six. He couldn't think this is wrong, refuse and go to the police. The show dismissed him way too quick. I need to know that he got at least 30 years in prison.

Lydia annoyed me!!!!! She probably could have solved this on her own. Not even Jubal's plea could move her. I'm glad she got charged. Too bad someone had to die for this to happen.

The show needed to establish time. One scene Jubal is a the psych hospital and John was there. Next scene, Jubal has the files and then Elise mentions "John called out sick today". How many days has passed?

The FBI needs to run an investigation on the director of the psych hospital bad dye job.

Scola looked like he was going to blush when Tiffany claimed she would have shot the kid to save him

I liked that it was Tiffany and Scola and not Maggie and OA for the final take down.

I guess the show thought it would have been odd to end with Jubal hugging his ex wife about their son. Instead he's hugging Rina.
 

Edited September 29, 2021 by mxc90

[MerBearHou]

I have such a crush on Scola.  

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I have such a crush on Scola.  

John Boyd must like playing FBI dudes since that was his character's profession on Bones, too.

[Xeliou66]

I liked this one - wild plot, we had a hacker plus an “angel of mercy” killer. Plus I like Jubal a lot and I always like when he takes center stage, it was compelling to see him deal with his range of emotions during the episode.

I didn’t feel much sympathy for Lydia, she endangered numerous lives and her actions caused the death of an 11 year old, she did exactly what she claimed she wanted to stop - she put innocent people in danger and wound up killing one. I do wonder if she would have a viable psych defense at trial, she was somewhat unhinged but she did carefully orchestrate the cyber attacks. Either way hopefully she is locked away for the rest of her life, and I was annoyed with Maggie feeling sympathy for her at the end, Maggie is very compassionate and I like that about her but Lydia didn’t deserve a break.

And that Jason dude was a grade A moron or a greedy bastard, instead of contacting the police or simply refusing to do it he decides to install a virus on hospital computers and then plays dumb about the whole thing. Fuck him.

I called John as being a villain the minute he stepped into his boss’ office, it was very obvious he would play a large role and the boss was just too obvious a suspect to be the guy.

I really liked that Scola and Tiffany got a major focus in this one after barely being present in the premiere - I loved how Scola put his gun down and tried talking to the psychotic guy, he probably saved his life, a more trigger happy law enforcement officer would’ve shot him. Scola/Tiffany don’t get enough screen time and I think I like them better than Maggie/OA, so I liked that they were the ones who got heavier screen time tonight.

It wasn’t smart to let Jubal in the interrogation room, but I totally understood why Jubal wanted to be there, and I liked how he tried to reason with her instead of immediately getting angry, but Isobel was right to pull him out when she did.

Very glad Jubal’s son is okay, but I agree the episode should’ve ended with Jubal and his ex wife, not Jubal and Rina, while I don’t dislike Rina I don’t think she adds a lot to the show either.

Overall a very solid episode with a compelling storyline and a nice feature for Jubal. 

[LisaM]

I don't see the need for Rina - in this episode, Isobel took over a lot of Jubal's usual job while Rina seemed to take over Isobel's. (As an aside, I saw that NBC is rebooting the original Law and Order. I hope that they do not move the actress who plays Isobel back to Law and Order and leave us with Rina.) 

I thought this episode was interesting. Less OA - after his big opening week - and more Scola, which is always good. 

I, too, called the murderer 5 seconds after we saw him in the office. Too obvious. 

I also like how they use the featured players in the JOC. 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, LisaM said:

I don't see the need for Rina - in this episode, Isobel took over a lot of Jubal's usual job while Rina seemed to take over Isobel's. (As an aside, I saw that NBC is rebooting the original Law and Order. I hope that they do not move the actress who plays Isobel back to Law and Order and leave us with Rina.) 

 

Well Law & Order pulls some tricks Ms Rubirosa has already been moved to a LA County Deputy DA and then back to New York as an Assistant US Attorney.

I see no upside for de la Garza  to make a lateral move

[Netfoot]

WTF kind of crap generators was the hospital using? Couldn't they stroll on down to the nearest gas station and come back with some diesel to top up the tank?

[illdoc]

Also, they can't transport the kid to another hospital and (the only reason) they can't do the surgery because they can't access the AB blood. Could they possibly contact another (unaffected) hospital (are there only 6 hospitals in NY? After all, only 6 were affected) anywhere and have some blood brought in???? 

Edited September 29, 2021 by illdoc
Got my "FBI"s mixed up. *This* one was in NY. MW was in DC

[MountaineerBro10]

18 hours ago, MerBearHou said:

I have such a crush on Scola.  

Seems like every female/gay man who likes FBI, including my wife, have the hots for Scola lol. What is it? His personality? His voice? His nasal accent? Lol

[Rambler]

"Uh oh, someone's been writing to the hospital director about the murders I've been committing and now the FBI are here investigating. Do you know what would be an absolutely brilliant idea? Instead of changing my identity and moving to a different hospital like I did before, I think I'll just kill some more patients while the FBI is hyper-focused on this case." Of all the brilliant serial killers out there, this guy definitely wasn't one of them.

[GiandujaPie]

I felt sorry for Lydia up to a point. Once they told her they were investigating her friends' deaths, she should have given up. However, you could see that her mental health issues impacted her judgment and it was made even more clear when they brought her to the body of the killer and she didn't believe them and thought they were playing her to just get her to give it up. It did make me wonder why the FBI didn't try staging something like that to get her to give up.  

[shapeshifter]

41 minutes ago, GiandujaPie said:

I felt sorry for Lydia up to a point. Once they told her they were investigating her friends' deaths, she should have given up. However, you could see that her mental health issues impacted her judgment and it was made even more clear when they brought her to the body of the killer and she didn't believe them and thought they were playing her to just get her to give it up. It did make me wonder why the FBI didn't try staging something like that to get her to give up.  

Excellent question! 
They could have had some fibbie pose as the captured serial killer to get her to undo the hack.

The writing (and acting, directing, etc.) did an otherwise good job of making me really concerned about Lupo's/Systo's/Jubal Valentine's kid's dying without giving me time to dwell on all of the "why don't they just...?" questions asked upthread.

Anyway, in my mind, Lydia, the mentally ill malware coder, is going to get a heavier sentence than if she had cooperated earlier on, and she is going to be made aware of that, and part of the terms of her sentence includes sticking with a mental health program. However, I also have no faith that such a truly effective program of meds and/or therapy exists for her at this time. ☹️

And since they're charging her with murder, based on what I learned from the school of L&O (not the same one Lupo attended) Lydia the Hacktivist will get to serve time in a mental institution as long as she sticks to whatever regime they prescribe, and will be eligible for parole in 12 years or so if the doctors agree and if the dead girl's parents don't fight it very hard.

But never mind all of the above, because the writers instead tied it up in a bow with this dialogue:

• What's gonna happen to Lydia Ryan?
• She was right. Somebody was killing those patients.
• I know, but she shut down six hospitals, Maggie.
• Well, I'm not saying give her a pass, but I think that we can talk to the U.S. attorney, at least ask for leniency.
• Actually, that ship has sailed.
• Why?
• An 11-year-old girl just died an hour ago of a collapsed lung. The hospital staff didn't catch it in time because her monitors weren't working. We're charge Lydia Ryan with murder.

 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Excellent question! 
They could have had some fibbie pose as the captured serial killer to get her to undo the hack.

The writing (and acting, directing, etc.) did an otherwise good job of making me really concerned about Lupo's/Systo's/Jubal Valentine's kid's dying without giving me time to dwell on all of the "why don't they just...?" questions asked upthread.

Anyway, in my mind, Lydia, the mentally ill malware coder, is going to get a heavier sentence than if she had cooperated earlier on, and she is going to be made aware of that, and part of the terms of her sentence includes sticking with a mental health program. However, I also have no faith that such a truly effective program of meds and/or therapy exists for her at this time. ☹️

And since they're charging her with murder, based on what I learned from the school of L&O (not the same one Lupo attended) Lydia the Hacktivist will get to serve time in a mental institution as long as she sticks to whatever regime they prescribe, and will be eligible for parole in 12 years or so if the doctors agree and if the dead girl's parents don't fight it very hard.

But never mind all of the above, because the writers instead tied it up in a bow with this dialogue:

• What's gonna happen to Lydia Ryan?
• She was right. Somebody was killing those patients.
• I know, but she shut down six hospitals, Maggie.
• Well, I'm not saying give her a pass, but I think that we can talk to the U.S. attorney, at least ask for leniency.
• Actually, that ship has sailed.
• Why?
• An 11-year-old girl just died an hour ago of a collapsed lung. The hospital staff didn't catch it in time because her monitors weren't working. We're charge Lydia Ryan with murder.

 

You are forgetting the federal enhancements for the crimes 

[Dowel Jones]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

They could have had some fibbie pose as the captured serial killer to get her to undo the hack.

Except that it would require someone to stay still, not breathe, and maintain a complete lack of facial movement the entire time.  Hey, wait a minute.  OA, get over here!

[WendyCR72]

Description of S04.E03: Trauma

Airing October 5, 2021:

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After the team finds a connection between bombings at government agencies and a private veterans’ club in New York City, Isobel tells OA to recruit his former Army buddy, Chris, for intel since he spends time at the club. However, knowing the difficulty soldiers like Chris often face returning to civilian life, OA is reluctant to follow orders.

 

[mxc90]

According to Rina: "This is a Win/Win". Sure not for Chris. Too bad for him. I had a feeling trouble was coming for him when he was told the story and without hesitation accepted the mission.

At the end, was Hawthorne planning to fight/kill Chris and then die by OA shooting him? He was done either way. He had the gun pointed at Chris and somehow it didn't fire. 

Also all that time during the standoff, where did Maggie go? Did she go to the restroom? Take a tour the bar/look at the pictures on the wall? 

Earlier at the FBI building, Rina is standing behind OA to make sure Isobel pushes him. At the end after disaster happens, she's no where to be found as Isobel has to be the one to talk to OA. Rina is an ambitious snake. Can't trust her. Go back to DC!

Scola saved the day within 25 seconds. Too bad for his nice suit.

Pretty low for Davis to a bomb is kid's back pack.

The ATF agent has tattoos on his neck. I thought that wasn't allowed.

Mr. Maxwell's neighbor is one nosy person. She knew his visitors and what time he goes grocery shopping.

Edited October 6, 2021 by mxc90

[AnnA]

I knew this wouldn't end well for Chris.  I hate this plot.  It's been done on so many shows.  I think it was done on this show (FBI) too.  There was a restauranat owned by a muslim and they made some guy patronize the place and do surveillance.  OA was pissed just like he was tonight.

I didn't watch FBI International and doubt I ever will because I hate that they pushed it into the 9pm timeslot hoping to appeal to FBI and FBI Most Wanted viewers.  I don't like being manipulated.

[MountaineerBro10]

Poor Chris. I thought OA was going to quit the FBI right in front of Isobel.

IMO, that was a good episode. Rina needs to get bitch slapped by the end of the season. 

[Raja]

2 hours ago, mxc90 said:

 

The ATF agent has tattoos on his neck. I thought that wasn't allowed.

 

Its not, but like real life policing agencies are finding it harder to recruit and loosening standards it becomes a problem for productions which have to then have to spend time and money to cover them  up. I would just head canon that the ATF agent does, or did undercover work

[Xeliou66]

Decent episode - but I’m sick of OA’s personal subplots and him taking everything personally, he seems to take stuff very personally in a lot of the episodes, and it gets tiresome. It wasn’t as bad in this episode as it was in others, but it still is tiresome. 

There was good investigation to get to the bottom of the case and good use of each character, it was a nicely paced episode that gave each character something to do, and I really like how even the screen time is for all of the characters.

This was the first episode where Rina got on my nerves, I just felt her presence didn’t add anything, we already have Jubal and Isobel in leadership roles, and Rina’s presence and the bit of tension between her and Isobel just dragged down the episode a bit.

I predicted it was going to go badly for Chris as soon as he started getting overly aggressive in his mission. There was really nothing OA or anyone else could’ve done, he was a loose cannon.

Overall a pretty good episode, solid case. 

 

[LisaM]

I am not enjoying the Rina/Isobel subplot -- and knowing that Rina and Jubal are involved only adds to it. We have enough chiefs. 

I love Scola. 

[Jaded]

9 minutes ago, LisaM said:

I am not enjoying the Rina/Isobel subplot -- and knowing that Rina and Jubal are involved only adds to it. We have enough chiefs. 

I haven't watched any of the new season yet due to everything you mentioned. I can't stand Rina.

[Sandman]

On 9/29/2021 at 7:43 AM, LisaM said:

I don't see the need for Rina - in this episode, Isobel took over a lot of Jubal's usual job while Rina seemed to take over Isobel's.

Is it me, or is Rina just sort of … objectively terrible? Her idea of leadership is to constantly remind Isobel "let's all try to get along, but you work for me, remember!" in the most flagrantly passive-aggressive way possible. I mean, Isobel can be cold and calculating, but I can't believe Rina doesn't have knives out for her all over the federal bureaus. (Bureaux?)

[Cristofle]

Rina is terrible. She seems to bring out the worst in everyone, and this time it was definitely Isobel's turn. In general, I agree that too many cases seem to get personal for OA, but in this case I couldn't blame him for getting angry because he clearly warned Isobel this was a bad idea, he was right, a friend paid the price for it being a bad idea, and then Isobel asked him to cover her ass so it wasn't obvious she made a bad call despite being warned she was doing so. Granted, at the end of the day, his friend is responsible for his own actions, but OA knew he was in a bad mental state and he made that very clear, and he was ignored. And it seemed obvious Isobel was basically egged on by Rina into making that bad call.

Solid case, I thought. Definitely rooted in some very real and topical issues. Also, small moment of the episode goes to Maggie for her hilariously uncomfortable reaction when Rina inappropriately inserted herself into the conversation and said there was nothing wrong with being loyal to your commanding officer. Maggie seems about as impressed with Rina as we all do right now.

[Sandman]

3 hours ago, Cristofle said:

Also, small moment of the episode goes to Maggie for her hilariously uncomfortable reaction when Rina inappropriately inserted herself into the conversation

Agreed. Peregrym's "Yikes!" face was priceless.

[Kelda Feegle]

On 10/6/2021 at 12:54 PM, MountaineerBro10 said:

 

Rina needs to get bitch slapped by the end of the season. 

ASAP works for me

[Dowel Jones]

Anyone notice the side eye glare that Maggie gave Scola after she tackled the first bomber?  He was just standing there while the other guy was going for his gun, and should have been dead if it weren't for the plot.

Hey, FBI and SWAT team.  You're chasing a bomb maker.  Do you really think it is a good idea to break down the door and charge into the place?  He wouldn't have a trap set up, would he?  And what happened to the SWAT team when he started firing on the house?  He dropped one guy and the rest of the team disappeared.  Their perimeter control must be contracted to Ressler, Inc. 

Worst dialogue of the night:  "There's material to make four bombs here.  So far we've only found three."  "That means one is still out there."  In the immortal words of "Cool Hand" Lucas Jackson, "Nothing to it, just top flight police work.  Boy's probably a lieutenant by now."

[Netfoot]

21 hours ago, Cristofle said:

Solid case, I thought. Definitely rooted in some very real and topical issues.

I'm just surprised it wasn't all about Whyte Supremacy. Again.

9 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Hey, FBI and SWAT team.  You're chasing a bomb maker.  Do you really think it is a good idea to break down the door and charge into the place?  He wouldn't have a trap set up, would he? 

Naw! Never happen. Sorta like when you want to aprehend a guy in public you always yell out from 50 yards away, "FBI! Don't run away down that alley right behind you, while we are stuck on the opposite side of the street, behind a bus!"

9 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Worst dialogue of the night:

Observing the tape of the bomber switch backpacks in a most obvious way:

Maggie: "Did you see that?"

OA: "No, because I was watching with my head stuck in a bag!"

[illdoc]

44 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

Observing the tape of the bomber switch backpacks in a most obvious way:

My thought: What if the kid hadn't put the backpack down and wander away (or if the mother watched the pack while the kid walked off)? How would the bomber have switched the packs????

[WendyCR72]

Here is the description for S04.E04: Know Thyself, airing October 12, 2021:

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The team hunts for a serial killer who is targeting young, homeless men. Also, Tiffany and Scola don’t see eye to eye on how to handle the case or the difference between partners and co-workers.

 

[Grrarrggh]

I hope it is just a tired trope when the PR minded request that the FBI/police solve a crime quickly. I mean, do they normally take their sweet time? Isn't solving it as soon as you can be sort of the MO of their jobs?

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Grrarrggh said:

I hope it is just a tired trope when the PR minded request that the FBI/police solve a crime quickly. I mean, do they normally take their sweet time? Isn't solving it as soon as you can be sort of the MO of their jobs?

An old detective from The Wire's Baltimore PD. "Green (overtime money) makes red (open cases) turn black (closed cases). Someone has to approve extra time or the detectives/agents time off duty and resources being pulled off of other cases and associated duties to concentrate on the "red ball", in Homicide: Life on the Street terms, or the case with media and political attention that makes for a dramatic episode.

On Wolf's Law & Order Lieutenant van Buren was at times thwarted from using all the 27's resources by NYPD higher ups for the murder of the week.  

[mxc90]

No Rina this week. Yay!

Would have thought by now Tiffany's and Scola's partnership had evolved to the point where Scola is picking up her up at the church and would have known it was for her father's one year memorial.

Tiffany has been on the show for a while. We missed her father died a year ago, she did not tell anyone in office, sneak out for the wake/funeral and returned without anyone noticing?

Odd Tiffany threw it back at Scola for her not opening up to him because he is too "buttoned up". She is just as cold, stiff and buttoned up too. Interesting where their "real talk" will take this partnership now.

I can't blame Scola for going to Jubal and Isobel about this and not mentioning to Tiffany first. Hard to know how someone would react if family is involved. Topic must have been covered at FBI training. Tiffany shouldn't be surprised.

What a sloppy serial killer. He leaves the arm sticking out of the dirt to be seen by the Nat Geo person to stumble on, couldn't torched the van, and then he leaves the shovel to be found by the FBI to trace the purchase. Pastor should be pissed he's "outed" because of his careless work!

The lady that owns the food truck saw the man with the shovel go into the warehouse , knows the cops are looking for him and didn't bother say anything (for maybe hours) until Scola and Tiffany came to talk to her. I guess the demand for sandwiches/coffee diverted her attention to inform the police.

Jubal had a nice pun and no one appreciated his efforts.

OA and Maggie approaches Issac Jones, says "FBI", and he stays to talk ....(Nope! Writer's bluff)... he runs!!!!!!!

Maggie has been eating her Wheaties"! As OA struggles with Issac, she knocks him out cold.

Crabtree almost got grabbed and escaped on his "Own". How is that good business for Issac when he did nothing to prevent or save Crabtree?  People will find out his guarantee is not solid. Well, clients can't expect anything from Issac now as he is in jail for attempted murder on OA.

Did OA have the night off to not back up Maggie and Scola in the alley? Tiffany had to sprint there to save the day!

I had a feeling the pastor was innocent. Sucks he has to pay for lying to the FBI. Tiffany only got a verbal reprimand from Isobel but she can't help the pastor.

Tiffany is going to have it tough with being there to help him and then deal with her uncle and the rest of her family.

Edited October 13, 2021 by mxc90

[Bobbin]

Does the FBI or any Wolfe LEA have anyone on the force who doesn't have a ton of baggage they brought with them? Can't they just do their job without it being necessary for a partner to "understand where they're coming from?" Tiffany in particular.

Cool:  Maggie decking the guy with the butt of her gun made me think of Indiania Jones simply shooting the bad guy.

I don't remember Scola or Tiffany bothering to mention to Crabtree while they were interviewing him that the guy in the hoodie who accosted him was a Serial Killer in case he ran into him again.