The View: Week of 6/5/2023

[falltime]

Monday, June 5 — The Political View with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.)

Tuesday, June 6 — Lala Kent (“Vanderpump Rules”); performance from Broadway’s “& Juliet”

Wednesday, June 7 — Elliot Page (author, “Pageboy”)

Thursday, June 8 — Laurie Metcalf (Broadway’s “Grey House”)

Friday, June 9 — Common (“Silo”); ABC News chief health and medical correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton (bookazine, “Better”)

[Haleth]

For people pointing to Biden falling as a reason why he shouldn’t run again, Bruce Springsteen also fell on stage the same day. Should he quit too?

Wow. Tim Scott is not doing a very good job proving his points. 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Haleth

[KittyQ]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

Wow. Tim Scott is not doing a very good job proving his points. 

My impression is that between Whoopi and Sunny, Scott was getting interrupted frequently with comments that he felt the need to respond to, resulting in a less comprehensive statement. Additionally, they both tried to force him to swivel in his seat so as not to "insult" one of them by turning his back to them while speaking. TBH, I thought they behaved badly - I can't imagine them treating a guest they agree with this way. Sunny's smirk made it clear that she was not listening to him with an open mind, just planning to score points. I wouldn't be surprised if they had coordinated this beforehand.

Ana's earlier remarks about how some people keep going on certain topics was funny - every time she's on, she brings up drag shows and Disney. Doesn't Florida have any other issues/problems that she's concerned about?

Edited June 5, 2023 by KittyQ
Fixed a word.

[cinsays]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

For people pointing to Biden falling as a reason why he shouldn’t run again, Bruce Springsteen also fell on stage the same day. Should he quit too?

Wow. Tim Scott is not doing a very good job proving his points. 

and he tripped over a sandbag, he didn't just get dizzy and frail and fall down

they gave scott a lot of time and didn't get to the good stuff until the end and then it was too late

but we've gotta sell this crap at the end, so cut off what could be a good conversation

[Shrek]

I thought they behaved awfully towards Tim Scott, they were constantly interrupting him & trying to intimidate him by standing together. And whoopie berating the crowd after the way her & Sunny behaved was laughable. 

[Haleth]

I thought they gave him plenty of opportunity to make his case but he resorted to platitudes and talking points. No substance. Just like Sununu last week. 

[After7Only]

Agreed.  They let him ramble on quite a bit uninterrupted.  Although they did interrupt him to to try to get the substance of his answers and challenge some of his talking points.   Otherwise they might as well just let him give a speech.   That talking nonstop without a breath on multiple topics is a well known tactic to not be challenged.   And I definitely didn't think they were intimidating him by Whoopi standing to Sunny.    I thought it was good for him to engage them specifically.    

Some might not like Sunny's approach, but I also don't want to hear Alissa talk about Biden's age/mental sharpness given her previous employer.    Unless maybe if she acknowledges that previous employment as a factor in her opinion.   

 

[KittyQ]

Perhaps I didn't hear correctly, but I thought that Alyssa did acknowledge that Donald Trump's age also had to be considered when thinking about taking office for the next 4 years. While there's no specific age limit for a president and people age differently (some people are spry and mentally alert into their 90s and others can't manage their own affairs when they are in their 70s) it is a reality that more likely than not older people will have more health issues and problems with mental acuity, so Alyssa's point applies to both of these guys. I thought that Sunny's (I think) comment that she wondered if Alyssa had mentioned age concerns to the then president was weird - like someone at Alyssa's level would be having conversations like that with the president. Who knows if she privately discussed it with her colleagues or more likely, her friends?

[Glitches]

I thought they were rude to Tim Scott. Weren’t they speaking not too long ago about needing media coverage on other candidates to help drown out the orange front-runner? They invited Mr. Scott into their house and did not allow him to present. My expectations were higher. I would be pleased to hear from every candidate, but not like this. 

[TheGreenKnight]

I watched it on YouTube out of curiosity. Personally, I thought they went fairly easy on him considering the manner in which he went at them coming out the gate, and especially in comparison to other interviews they've had in the past. They could've really nailed him and got cheered on for doing it, too. Instead they let him speak  uninterrupted for what felt like 6 or 7 minutes before offering any pushback.

Personally, I don't think there would be any value whatsoever in a View that didn't offer a counter of some kind to the type of claims he was attempting to pass off as factual.

[JAYJAY1979]

Why is Sunny never chastised for being a bully?  I guess she can count herself lucky she's on this trainwreck of a show because in the real world she would be fired.

 

[bluegirl147]

13 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

They could've really nailed him and got cheered on for doing it, too.

When they were talking about Desantis and Florida and the Don't Say Gay" bill and Scott said the words indoctrinating our children Whoopi had this look like she was going to nail him hard but then the audience booed (I might have booed myself) and she turned her ire towards them and not Scott.  I don't like Scott and nothing he is going to say is going to change that.

17 hours ago, Haleth said:

but he resorted to platitudes and talking points. No substance.

Describes most politicians.  

7 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Why is Sunny never chastised for being a bully?

I didn't think Sunny was bullying Scott.  If he wants to be president he needs to be able to handle sitting in the hot seat.

18 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Ana's earlier remarks about how some people keep going on certain topics was funny - every time she's on, she brings up drag shows and Disney. Doesn't Florida have any other issues/problems that she's concerned about?

They do but their governor keeps using that particular issue to get media attention.

[HerkyJerky]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

They do but their governor keeps using that particular issue to get media attention.

Even his wife was wearing a custom-made jacket that showed an outline of Florida with the words "Where Woke Goes to Die" on the back of it, so that is definitely DeSantis' main message.

 

[Haleth]

Can I please borrow Whoopi’s eye rolls for all this reality show crap?

[KittyQ]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

They do but their governor keeps using that particular issue to get media attention.

If Ana had some other issues to complain about, there's no reason she shouldn't bring them up, even if the governor sticks with the same old, same old. Maybe a change would highlight other issues instead of giving the impression that these are the only ones that matter.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

Can I please borrow Whoopi’s eye rolls for all this reality show crap?

I agree - especially that one!!  LaLa Kent is no angel - she has a history.  She was dating Randall Emmett while he was still married to his former wife.  She kept it secret until he was finally separated.  To say she was floored when she found out he did the same thing to her, well - I'll give a bigger eye roll than Whoopi!!  

Plus, it bothers me that this particular person is getting a lot of press and exposure from her supposed "best friend's" situation.  She's profiting from someone else's pain, and I find that despicable.

Edited to add - I think the whole "Scandoval" thing is ridiculous and overblown in the media.  And, I say this as someone who watches Vanderpump Rules - a show that is made up of a cast who have all pretty much cheated on each other, with each other, over and over again. 

The only thing Lala Kent said that was honest and worth hearing is that all these people were and are desperate to be on TV.

Edited June 6, 2023 by njbchlover

[OpalNightstream]

The make up people have to learn to better blend the contouring on Sunny. 

[Miss Slay]

Yesterday's episode really highlighted Barbara's absence for me. Politicians only came on The View because she was such a respected journalist. The panel really needs a journalist to help field interviews for presidential hopefuls. There's def. a hole.

[lurkerbee]

7 hours ago, Haleth said:

Can I please borrow Whoopi’s eye rolls for all this reality show crap?

Amen! And I feel the same about that stupid discussion of the royals not wishing the Sussex kids happy birthday on social media. Birthday wishes on SM are not for the birthday celebrant but for the followers of the one posting the message. We don’t know if gifts or cards were sent to the kids and we shouldn’t.  It’s kind of similar to Will Smith’s Instagram “apology”  to Chris Rock after the slap. That apology wasn’t for Chris but was a PR move. At the beginning of the conversation I thought they were going to talk about Harry’s testimony in court today, but that probably wouldn’t have fit their narrative.

[Pearson80]

23 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Why is Sunny never chastised for being a bully?  I guess she can count herself lucky she's on this trainwreck of a show because in the real world she would be fired.

 

How did Sunny bully Tim Scott? I saw Sunny a Black woman engaging with a Black man who she felt was not speaking the truth about the realities of our community.  Whoopie did the same thing and even referenced his book where he spoke about his treatment as a Black man by the capitol police in Washington DC where he works as a Senator for the people of South Carolina..

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Pearson80

[KittyQ]

2 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

How did Sunny bully Tim Scott? I saw Sunny a Black woman engaging with a Black man who she felt was not speaking the truth about the realities of our community.  Whoopie did the same thing and even referenced his book where he spoke about his treatment as a Black man by the capitol police in Washington DC where he works as a Senator for the people of South Carolina..

It sounds as though you are saying that Sunny would behave differently if the guest was a white man, or any man whose "truth" happens to conform with hers. I don't think I've ever seen her (and Whoopi as well) act as they did with Tim Scott. (disclaimer - I didn't watch the show for many years, so there could be some examples I don't know of). IMO this was out of the expected behavior on most talk shows, and while "bullying" might be a little harsh, it did come across as very rude to me. 

[Haleth]

Wow, Sunny is being a bitch today. 

[Primal Slayer]

Sunny knows they have all of 5min before commercial each time and she knew exactly what she was doing talking SO SLOW and trying to put Alyssa down w/not letting her rebuttal. 

I like Sunny but don't dominate the conversation.

[John Arthur]

SUNNY HOSTIN owes ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN AN apology. She clearly has a problem with Alyssa.  Move your seat Sunny to a backroom. Swallow your Prima Donna pride and show some manners! Act the way you would like to be treated towards your colleagues.

Very disappointed but not surprised.

 

[Jamaraz]

I haven't watched the show in a while, but it's clear they need the writers back.  Sunny was WAY out of line, and Whoopie should have shut her down immediately.  Whoopie was either enjoying Sunny's childish actions or needed a writer to help her stop Sunny.  I was surprised that the producers didn't immediately go to break.  The show owes Alyssa an apology. 

[bluegirl147]

https://ew.com/tv/alyssa-farah-griffin-sunny-hostin-fight-the-view/

Here is a recap of what happened.

Sunny said this:

"No, I'm going to finish what I'm going to say.... the thing about Pence here is, when I lived in Indiana and I went to Notre Dame, he had a terrible approval rating because of the way he treated the AIDS crisis," she said as the audience gasped. "Awful. A lot of people died because of him, a lot of people died because of how he handled the COVID crisis."

She has said this before. And while she is correct about what happened Pence didn't become governor till 2013. Long after Sunny went to Notre Dame. She could have made her point without lying.

[TheGreenKnight]

Not able to watch right now, but looking forward to it when I get home, LOL! From the atticle above, I'd say it's laughable hearing her trot out Barbara's name for her own self-interest. I don't think Barbara's legacy would include someone with the kind of conflicts of interest she has being at the table either, just sayin'.

[KittyQ]

Sunny thinks that Chris Christie "just wants power" and that makes him a bad candidate. What world does she live in? He's a politician - they all seek power. If they were all "altruistic" as Joy said, they would work in another field. The rest of Sunny's rant was a list of reasons why she will never consider voting for Christie or Pence. Her mind is made up. Ok for her, but she needs to acknowledge that other people will make up their own minds based on their own reasons, and they may prioritize different things. Also, obnoxious for her to say to Alyssa, "You seem to be unable to..." making that pretty personal. Later she had to reframe as "Some people seem unable to...", so someone probably told her how rude she was, and she'd need to pull it back. Overall, so far, Sunny is not making herself look very good and far from the paragon of common sense she likes to think she is.

[mongoose]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

Wow, Sunny is being a bitch today. 

What is annoying/irritating  to me is the way she doesn't look at the person she is talking to. She often looks off into space or at the table when she is criticizing something or someone. She wouldn't have done that as a lawyer, I don't think. 

[A.J.]

Today was the first time in a long time that I have been uncomfortable watching the show. 

[bluegirl147]

Just now, mongoose said:

What is annoying/irritating  to me is the way she doesn't look at the person she is talking to. She often looks off into space or at the table when she is criticizing something or someone. She wouldn't have done that as a lawyer, I don't think. 

While Sunny might be outraged about the things she is talking about I'm finding it to be performative.  I think she is auditioning for something beyond the View.  

[mongoose]

Just now, A.J. said:

Today was the first time in a long time that I have been uncomfortable watching the show. 

Same thought. First time my blood pressure went up since MM departed. 

[Shrek]

It's certainly more lively without the writers. 

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Not able to watch right now, but looking forward to it when I get home, LOL! From the atticle above, I'd say it's laughable hearing her trot out Barbara's name for her own self-interest. I don't think Barbara's legacy would include someone with the kind of conflicts of interest she has being at the table either, just sayin'.

No. Alyssa’s point was Barbara gave everyone a chance to speak their view. Sunny rolled over her like a freight train, waging a personal attack without allowing Alyssa to respond for several minutes (or so it seemed). Sunny was this [] close to Meghan territory. 

[Blissfool]

2 hours ago, Jamaraz said:

  Whoopie was either enjoying Sunny's childish actions or needed a writer to help her stop Sunny.  I was surprised that the producers didn't immediately go to break.  

I couldn't believe (or could I?) that both Joy and Sara were trying to interject and get Sunny to stop while Whoopi, the (incompetent) moderator, sat there with her face resting on her hand looking bored. Do your job, Whoopi!

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

 I don't think Barbara's legacy would include someone with the kind of conflicts of interest she has being at the table either, just sayin'.

Barbara loved Elisabeth, both personally and as a cohost. 🤷🏻‍♀️

1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

Also, obnoxious for her to say to Alyssa, "You seem to be unable to..." making that pretty personal. Later she had to reframe as "Some people seem unable to...", so someone probably told her how rude she was, and she'd need to pull it back. 

When Sunny says that Pence cannot remove himself from the stench of the Trump administration, I think she feels the same about Alyssa. 

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

While Sunny might be outraged about the things she is talking about I'm finding it to be performative.  I think she is auditioning for something beyond the View.  

She definitely should have her own show called My View Is the Correct View.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

No. Alyssa’s point was Barbara gave everyone a chance to speak their view. Sunny rolled over her like a freight train, waging a personal attack without allowing Alyssa to respond for several minutes (or so it seemed). Sunny was this [] close to Meghan territory. 

I agree, except I thought that Sunny moved into that territory and pitched a blinged-out tent with a chicken coop behind it.  

Sunny was acting very, very much like Meghan used to.  

Sunny is entitled to her "view"/opinion, but, so is Alyssa.  I like to hear both sides-especially when they are presented in a calm, rational way (Alyssa does seem to do that). 

I don't like Sunny's attitude that if you don't agree with her, you're wrong.  And, she has that stance about everything - not just political discussions.  If someone disagrees with any of her opinions, she gets this pouty face and looks through slitted eyes at the person, or she summarily dismisses them by not acknowledging them at all.

As mentioned upthrerad, Sunny owes Alyssa an apology, and she should be made to do it on the show.

 

[bluegirl147]

6 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I don't like Sunny's attitude that if you don't agree with her, you're wrong.

She has said things to Ana that Ana doesn't seem to like.  Recently Sunny blithely said something like why don't you just move to Ana because of everything going on in Florida.  Ana didn't like that.

[Bronzedog]

Sorry I missed it but I stopped watching because of Sunny’s constant anti-white stance.  It seems a little late, but, maybe Sunny is menopausal.  Entertainment Weekly has an article with the headline that Alyssa had a “meltdown” on the show today.  It doesn’t sound like it was Alyssa was the one who had the meltdown.

[KittyQ]

4 hours ago, Haleth said:

Wow, Sunny is being a bitch today. 

Maybe TMI, but at a certain point in my life, I found myself thinking (at work, even!) "I don't have to put up with this bull crap" on a daily basis, and it was hard to steer out of that attitude (which was pretty unusual for me before this) without the help of some medications (not mental health meds). Maybe Sunny is now at a similar point in her life. 

[athousandclowns]

I thought the segment with Elliot Page was really good and happy that it wasn’t cut short like so many worthwhile guests are.

(so we can buy some bangles and totes.) 

[Rainyhawk]

4 hours ago, John Arthur said:

SUNNY HOSTIN owes ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN AN apology. She clearly has a problem with Alyssa.  Move your seat Sunny to a backroom. Swallow your Prima Donna pride and show some manners! Act the way you would like to be treated towards your colleagues.

Very disappointed but not surprised.

 

She also seemed to make sure she didn’t react to later segments.  Alyssa’s story about spying on her sister was cute and everyone else laughed or smiled and I noticed sunny just had doom and gloom face.  She’s gotten snottier recently for some reason.  I, not a conservative by any stretch, but I think Alyssa has done as good a job as possible trying to represent the more normal side of her party.  Not sure why sunny has such a problem…but to purposely single her out that was wasn’t cool. And, as someone else posted…sunny was not in law school when Pence was governor and I doubt she was there during his tenure in congress either, unless she was in law school in her 30s.  Why lie about that…it was unnecessary and added nothing.  

[cinsays]

4 hours ago, John Arthur said:

SUNNY HOSTIN owes ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN AN apology. She clearly has a problem with Alyssa.  Move your seat Sunny to a backroom. Swallow your Prima Donna pride and show some manners! Act the way you would like to be treated towards your colleagues.

Very disappointed but not surprised.

 

i have been trying to think that Sunny and Alyssa just disagree and she's just still annoyed that Alyssa was ok with Trump for so long.

But, this was really an awful display of poor manners and meanness by Sunny.  I was actually surprised that, when they came back from commercial, either she apoloized or she was off the stage.  Very disappointing. 

3 hours ago, Jamaraz said:

I haven't watched the show in a while, but it's clear they need the writers back.  Sunny was WAY out of line, and Whoopie should have shut her down immediately.  Whoopie was either enjoying Sunny's childish actions or needed a writer to help her stop Sunny.  I was surprised that the producers didn't immediately go to break.  The show owes Alyssa an apology. 

not sure how the writers were going to do anything about controlling a live event

[cinsays]

16 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Sorry I missed it but I stopped watching because of Sunny’s constant anti-white stance.  It seems a little late, but, maybe Sunny is menopausal.  Entertainment Weekly has an article with the headline that Alyssa had a “meltdown” on the show today.  It doesn’t sound like it was Alyssa was the one who had the meltdown.

she's not anti-white

she's anti the whites who abuse and feel superior to non-whites

[Glitches]

Which cohost was doing the “hm” and “mm” throughout Elliot’s opening statement? I thought it was Sunny so I was genuinely stunned when Sunny said nice things about the book. 

[Blissfool]

2 minutes ago, Glitches said:

Which cohost was doing the “hm” and “mm” throughout Elliot’s opening statement? I thought it was Sunny so I was genuinely stunned when Sunny said nice things about the book. 

That was Sunny. She does it almost on a daily basis and it grates my nerves.

I actually thought that maybe other viewers don't notice it because I've never seen anyone here mention it and I was wondering if I was being over-sensitive.

[After7Only]

Wasn't a fan of the Sunny/Alyssa fight. They both owe each other an apology. 

Sunny started with a good point.  Alyssa worked very closely with Pence.  So for her to deflect from Joy's question and say she needs to hear more from him, was worthy of some push back.   

I was fine with Sunny continuing to speak while Alyssa threw a tantrum, but what she was saying wasn't necessarily that relevant or a strong argument, so it came across petty.   Hated Alyssa playing the victim.  She's making it personal!  and invoking Barbara Walters.   Her tantrum was unprofessional and shades of MM.    What Sunny said about her, she's said probably a dozen times before on the show.   Made me wonder if they got into it during the pre-show meeting which is why Sunny came out with the random Pence notes on her card.     

But I mostly fear that the powers that be liked the headlines it brought and will encourage the "feud" to continue.  

 

[StaceyNotStacie]

Sunny was a bit much. Whoopi needs to bring back her bell or get a whistle or bullhorn to break up arguments like this. 
 

re: the diary topic. My only surprise was that people still use diaries. 

[Gemma Violet]

5 hours ago, Haleth said:

Sunny was this [] close to Meghan territory.

Yeah, today Sunny was as bad as Meghan has ever been and that's saying something.  As others here have said, I'm a democrat, but I really like Alyssa.  She presents her point of view in a civil and calm manner and I enjoy hearing her take on things.  I feel bad for her having to put up with Sunny's snide smirking remarks.  If it wasn't obvious before that Sunny dislikes her, it certainly is now.  

I wonder if the showrunners will read The View's Facebook page.  95% of the posts there are fed up with Sunny.

[TheGreenKnight]

10 hours ago, Haleth said:

No. Alyssa’s point was Barbara gave everyone a chance to speak their view. Sunny rolled over her like a freight train, waging a personal attack without allowing Alyssa to respond for several minutes (or so it seemed). Sunny was this [] close to Meghan territory. 

Probably will not surprise you, I'm guessing, that I didn't read today's show that way at all. ;) To me, the most interesting part about the ensuing argument was that Alyssa apparently thought she deserved to speak before, during, *and* after Sunny's turn to speak whereas she didn't think Sunny should be able to get through her full thoughts even once, interrupting her as soon as she got done with Christie before she'd even moved into talking about the Pence half of the topic. She really could not bear to allow Sunny to lay down those facts about the LGBT deaths in Indiana or his involvement in the failures of the pandemic response and resorted to attacking Sunny when Sunny wouldn't simply kowtow and let her take her turn to speak away from her. The truth is Alyssa's close relationship with the subject of discussion meant she should have been speaking the least, not the most, of all the co-hosts.

As far as Sunny specifically goes, my impression is she's been preparing her thoughts prior to the show for a while now. At least in some ways she comes across as if she's reading through notes the same way Ana and Sara often do, and in the past Sara and Alyssa have used that against her by jumping in midstream trying to throw her off track (which is why Sunny ends up taking so much time stumbling over her words). I actually *don't* think that's what Sara was trying to do this time, the past week or so Sara's seemed like she's trying to not play favorites between Sunny and Alyssa for once, but still I believe Sunny saw it as the usual game they've been playing when the two of them both jumped in with comments midstream again and that's where a lot of that came from. Either way, Sunny didn't resort to personal insults like Alyssa did--including insulting the show as a whole and dragging Barbara Walters' (may she rest in peace) name into it. That's why Joy told Alyssa not to take it so personally as Sunny was citing things that are known about Pence.

Anyway, a lot of this to me sounds like the usual end-of-season tension that changes may be coming--they do go on break in a month and a half, I believe? Contracts were locked in through 2025 for all of them, from what I thought, but perhaps one may end up leaving after all, who knows. Personally, in retrospect, I think Tara Setmayer would've been a better choice than Alyssa.

9 hours ago, Blissfool said:

Barbara loved Elisabeth, both personally and as a cohost. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Never thought I'd be defending Elisabeth, but in all fairness to her--she was just a Survivor contestant with opinions like any random person off the street will have the same as Joy, Whoopi, etc., not someone with actual ties to the people being discussed.

Edited June 8, 2023 by TheGreenKnight

[cinsays]

8 hours ago, Haleth said:

No. Alyssa’s point was Barbara gave everyone a chance to speak their view. Sunny rolled over her like a freight train, waging a personal attack without allowing Alyssa to respond for several minutes (or so it seemed). Sunny was this [] close to Meghan territory. 

Nah, Sunny was pretty bad, but not even close to Meghan territory.  I think she just had a lot she wanted to say and wanted to get it all out finally.