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S04.E02: Worst Vacation Ever


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Like a disappointed guest marooned at the dock, these comments are in the order of the episode scenes broadcast…

OK, right out of the gate, I have my suspicions on the whole engine thing.  Parsifal III came over from the Atlantic and landed in the Med for this season (according to Captain Glenn in the last episode) – with a bad engine?  Unlikely.  Would the series start filming without the ship being in ship shape?  Unlikely.  The whole thing smacks of fake drama, which is unfortunate since so many of us liked BDSY in the first place.  How about just highlighting the features of the season with a crew the audience is predisposed to like?  Strewth! 

Guest – “You don’t check your engines before the guests come on board?  That’s on you.”  Yes.

Daisy complains her staff are “Far behind”.  Well, whose fault is that?  Perhaps that whole body paint thing should have been done in easily water soluble colours so a quick laundry run would solve the proboem.

As tensions build and food has to be assembled for the beach, the chef really seems to have it sorted.

Daisy says there’s ice on the tender – but no one can find ice on the tender.  This leads to… Glenn cursing?  Whoa.  He must be really stressed to do that, since I don’t recall him doing that much, sailor status notwithstanding.  I mean, c’mon – he’s Canadian.  “Oh, darn!”  would be what I would expect.  (:

Alex is as naïve as Lucy is… wordly?

An engine victory!  But really?  We’ve been told how awful the situation was, how it would take 2 weeks to fix, may just a few days according to Colin if they had the parts, but miraculously… OK now?  I really hate to smell a rat.

Lucy has to deal with bedding “covered in blood”?  Eeewww. 

Apparently, the coin of the realm in luxury yachting circles is… toilet paper?  And towels?  A guest has a meltdown because of a perceived lack of TP.  Which may explain the bloody bedding…

Now I also have to suspect fake drama as Gary tests positive for COVID… again.  This is at least 3 times so far?  Could it be he just had other commitments and couldn’t be there at the start of the show?  I’m starting to think I’m more cynical than Harry Houdini.

And now the drunken exploits start.  Sheesh.

What will happen next week?  Will the boat get off the dock?  Will Gary show up?  Will Parsifal III survive the sea trial?  Stay tuned, if you can stay dry/sober…

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I'm usually pretty skeptical about fake storylines, but I believe this one.  Colin was just so darned excited that he fixed the engine (for now, at least).  Maybe I'm just gullible, but I love to see Colin as the hero.  He's been such a great crew member over the years.  I choose to believe.  

It was really nice of the rest of the guests to come up with a decent tip for the crew, especially since they didn't get the trip they expected.  Those two complainers should have said something at the time, so the stews could have made things right.  

I don't mind a little romance among the crew, but I wasn't feeling the make out session in the hot tub.  Seemed a bit orgy-like, or more like a high school game of spin the bottle.

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4 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

 

I don't mind a little romance among the crew, but I wasn't feeling the make out session in the hot tub.  Seemed a bit orgy-like, or more like a high school game of spin the bottle.

I agree.  I was actually rolling my eyes and feeling ick over the exchange of spit between multiple crew members.  

And Daisy, here is why you aren't married and with kids -- you act like you're 21, you get shit-faced every single crew night out and make out with whoever is in the hot tub with you.  I said this at some point last season and I'll say it again -- Daisy may ultimately be a good chief stew but she's very unprofessional, at least IMO, to be getting drunk like that, and every single crew night out, in front of the people she supervises.  

As far as Ice-Gate goes, I'm Team Glenn on this one.  Even if there had been a half dozen buckets of ice on the tender, Daisy should have just brought more ice and then pointed out the ice already on board once she got there.  To argue with Glenn and then go down there to point out where the ice was bordered on insubordination to me.  And it  could look embarrassing to Glenn if the guests overheard him asking her to bring ice.  Provided they were sober enough to remember it, that is.

Although (most of) the guests came through in the end with the tip (and I do give those guests credit since the only excursions we saw were a ride on the tinder and a beach picnic -- yawn -- why didn't Daisy arrange some shore excursion or massage therapists, manicurists, yoga instructors, etc. to come on board?) , they were pretty disgusting, especially with the cabins we saw.  Are they actually that gross or were producer shenanigans involved?  I mean, if you got blood all over the bedding from . . . whatever . . . wouldn't you let one of the stews know before they came in to tidy up your cabin?   And while it would be very, very disappointing to never get off the dock if your vacation was supposed to be about sailing (and that could have happened with the weather, if not an alleged engine failure), I don't buy the one guest's teary whining to Glenn about how it was her worst vacation ever.  Bitch, please.  You were with friends and other than your whining, you seemed to be doing just fine.  No one got sick or hurt (which is a win in itself given the drunk falls we saw) so buck up, kick in your portion of the tip and go home.  

I'm on the fence with the engine drama --  is it real, is it not -- but it does seem convenient that the engine is out while Gary is off somewhere with COVID and Parsifal has a new/green deck crew.  Fortunate for them, with the engine being out, they aren't stressed too much - other than dealing with drunk and horny guests.  

I still love Colin.  Seeing his glee over the engine starting was everything.  And I was happy he didn't participate in hot tub drinking and snogging and actually used the good judgment to go to bed since the following day was an important day for a sea trial - unlike everyone else (but Glenn and Ileisha, that is.)  

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Because "tearing" is not the same thing as "teary". Doh.
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I think the engine trouble could be at least partially true. We don't know who brought the yacht over to the port. But we do know that they hadn't bothered to flush at least one toilet before they vacated the premises, so that says something about their respect for the vessel*. I can believe that a problem may have developed during the repositioning trip and the crew just took their wages and left the boat without mentioning it to anyone. 

 

*We've seen a couple different times on various BDs that the incoming crew has to clean and organize before they can start doing their actual jobs. Maybe getting the hell out and leaving the mess for the next group is standard practice in the industry. 

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1 hour ago, rur said:

Maybe getting the hell out and leaving the mess for the next group is standard practice in the industry.

Maybe, I remember seasons ago on regular Below Deck the crew arrived and the boat was trashed, stuff everywhere and they had to move furniture, all the supplies were everywhere...maybe production playing around with the plot but I would hope a crew would not treat a multi million dollar vessel like that.

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Alex does not look good with his hair down. It's just frizzy and messy and dirty looking.

I wish the show would dispense with the obligatory hot tub orgies. There's nothing cute or sexy watching these drunken fools pour booze into each other's gaping maws. It's so sloppy and disgusting.

The show would have been better off just focusing on Colin's triumph with the engine. I think there really was something Colin was able to fix given his experience with engines and restoring that old boat he and his friends salvaged. I think at most if anything was manufactured drama it was the experts telling Glenn it would take 15 days to fix. There was maybe a temporary fix all along they knew about.

Daisy told Glenn the guests never complained about lacking toilet paper but one guest did, in fact, say they had none in their cabin and she told her that the girls were replenishing supplies as they spoke. So Daisy either forgot or lied to Glenn.

On the other hand I think that guest was just a real Karen in every sense of the word, complaining it was her worst vacation ever. Drama queen. That tip was bigger than some they've gotten with seemingly very satisfied guests.

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Missing episode subtitle:  Karens gotta Karen

Some of the things the stews were encountering in those cabins were truly dreadful.  I don't think that's producer manipulation.

Chase organizes a mean beach picnic/excursion

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39 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That tip was bigger than some they've gotten with seemingly very satisfied guests.

I seem to recall before some of the guests left the boat they were pooling their money and one of the guests made mention that the two guests (that were actively complaining to Glenn) didn't want to add anymore money to the tip. I bet she does this on the regular.

Crying over that shit makes me think that woman has never really had to deal anything difficult.

However, if you pay for the luxury experience (whether on dry land or at sea) and housekeeping missing the little things like towels and toilet paper does make the staff look careless but those things are very fixable.  

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My beloved Parsifal III, we did not start this season well..
The artificial drama.
I refuse to believe that a boat that it is supposed to be the yacht of a BD series hasn't gone through thorough inspection at least a week before the filming was supposed to begin.
It does not make any sense, first and mostly cause Bravo should be sure about everyone's safety. 
So the whole "impossible situation that Colin managed to overcome" is simply BS. 
Same I suspect with Gary. No way the crew is not in quarantine before they start shooting. But ok, you never know.
The frat people.
Then we have the cheap soft porn or whatever between the drunk crew in the bathtub, which is the worst, apart maybe the stupid guests parties where the crew behaves like cheap sex dancers in the best case scenario...
And as I asked in the original BD forum, I will ask again: who the hell is the target audience for this show? only horny teenagers?

Those two episodes were lame. lame. lame. At least I  hope my beloved Parsifal III will sail next week. 
 

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52 minutes ago, Zaffy said:

My beloved Parsifal III, we did not start this season well..
The artificial drama.
I refuse to believe that a boat that it is supposed to be the yacht of a BD series hasn't gone through thorough inspection at least a week before the filming was supposed to begin.
It does not make any sense, first and mostly cause Bravo should be sure about everyone's safety. 
So the whole "impossible situation that Colin managed to overcome" is simply BS. 
Same I suspect with Gary. No way the crew is not in quarantine before they start shooting. But ok, you never know.
The frat people.
Then we have the cheap soft porn or whatever between the drunk crew in the bathtub, which is the worst, apart maybe the stupid guests parties where the crew behaves like cheap sex dancers in the best case scenario...
And as I asked in the original BD forum, I will ask again: who the hell is the target audience for this show? only horny teenagers?

Those two episodes were lame. lame. lame. At least I  hope my beloved Parsifal III will sail next week. 
 

I also refuse to believe the stews wouldn't have been totally aware of issues like the client complaining 'in tears' at the end to the captain about not having towels, bath mats and toilet paper.  This is cruising on a personal $ervice level,  not a hotel.  Even the discussion between Glen and Daisy later seemed fake to me.  The staff out for dinner appeared way more posh than the guests on the boat.  The whole episode was just off for me.  I've taken a break from the other Below Deck series, this one will probably join that list soon.  The crews dinner outing was only about drinking and getting drunk then it was all about having a drunken orgy in the hot tub.

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Tim Carman, the restaurant critic of the Washington Post, always says that the best way to have wrongs righted is to speak to a manager ASAP so they can try to make it up to you. So why didn't the guests say anything to Glenn (or Daisy, for that matter) about how unhappy they were before the end of the charter?*

*Production drama, obviously. I know how stupid that question is. I believe that was manufactured drama, rather than the engine (go, Colin!)

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19 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I seem to recall before some of the guests left the boat they were pooling their money and one of the guests made mention that the two guests (that were actively complaining to Glenn) didn't want to add anymore money to the tip. I bet she does this on the regular.

Crying over that shit makes me think that woman has never really had to deal anything difficult.

However, if you pay for the luxury experience (whether on dry land or at sea) and housekeeping missing the little things like towels and toilet paper does make the staff look careless but those things are very fixable.  

I bet they were staged guests on a freebie,  just too much wasn't real.  I could see anger but crying, mmmmm, they got that wrong.

 

23 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

I'm not a Daisy fan and not impressed with her as a Chief Stew.

Gary who?

I'm OK with her, she doesn't bring too much drama and she seems like a good fit with Captain Glen, they're both more laid back.

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Where the HELL did all that blood come from?  Was every guest on board having their periods at the same time and everyone forgot to pack tampons/pads?  Were they using the ship's towels as substitutes?  (Sorry to the men reading this.)  And blood on the floor.  I don't even know how that would happen.

I think these guests were by far the messiest PIGS ever in the entire franchise.  As one of the stews said, how can people live like this?  Just disgusting.  I wasn't surprised four of them were named Karen.

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What kind of juvenile suck face fest was that in the hot tub??  I love how they used truth or dare as an excuse to make out. Haven’t seen that since my freshman year in high school.

Also wanted to mention that I choose to believe nearly everything they show me in this program.  Like I truly believe that the engine problems were not expected and that Gary has really been testing positive for Covid over and over. It’s hard to get a negative test after you get Covid, sometimes it takes weeks. I think it’s more fun to watch if you just buy into it.

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17 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

I agree.  I was actually rolling my eyes and feeling ick over the exchange of spit between multiple crew members.  

And Daisy, here is why you aren't married and with kids -- you act like you're 21, you get shit-faced every single crew night out and make out with whoever is in the hot tub with you.  I said this at some point last season and I'll say it again -- Daisy may ultimately be a good chief stew but she's very unprofessional, at least IMO, to be getting drunk like that, and every single crew night out, in front of the people she supervises.  

As far as Ice-Gate goes, I'm Team Glenn on this one.  Even if there had been a half dozen buckets of ice on the tender, Daisy should have just brought more ice and then pointed out the ice already on board once she got there.  To argue with Glenn and then go down there to point out where the ice was bordered on insubordination to me.  And it  could look embarrassing to Glenn if the guests overheard him asking her to bring ice.  Provided they were sober enough to remember it, that is.

 

I agree with your points about Daisy.  She is probably the least professional chief stew among the different franchises when it comes to her nights out.  She somehow gets it together the next day and continues to lead her crew.  They all seem to respect her despite her partying with them (and being rolled about in a grocery cart!)  I also agree that Daisy should have just grabbed some ice and added it to the "ice bucket" that was already there.  Glenn must have been super stressed at that point.  He's usually a whole lot calmer.

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1 hour ago, Nunyabiznis said:

What kind of juvenile suck face fest was that in the hot tub??  I love how they used truth or dare as an excuse to make out. Haven’t seen that since my freshman year in high school.

Also wanted to mention that I choose to believe nearly everything they show me in this program.  Like I truly believe that the engine problems were not expected and that Gary has really been testing positive for Covid over and over. It’s hard to get a negative test after you get Covid, sometimes it takes weeks. I think it’s more fun to watch if you just buy into it.

I didn't take issue with the things you mentioned but some of the other stuff was very unlikely.  When you're paying over 200,000 euros for a week, plus expenses, and you are crying tears and complaining at the end about lack of toilet paper, etc, I just can't buy it.  Normally I enjoy this Below Deck too and try to take it at face value but they were pushing it too far for me.    

You're right, you can test positive for Covid for up to 3 months after having Covid, it doesn't mean you have it.  A friend of mine tested positive for 2 months.                            

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On 4/18/2023 at 12:46 AM, SemiCharmedLife said:

more like a high school game of spin the bottle.

That was my immediate thought as I watched. And like they were on timers. Kiss. Pause. Breathe. Kiss longer.

Maybe the damaged engine was real, but discovered pre-production, and they worked it into production? It's not as uncommon as BDSY implied. A friend invited me and others to sail on the Chesapeake Bay so he could acquire hours in order to be certified to run paid charters. Somehow water - I think bilge water - got into the engine. Without wind we were dead in the water. In the middle of a shipping lane. Then a squall blew in and we were tossed around until he somehow got the engine going again. I kissed the dock when we were back on land.

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This leads to… Glenn cursing?  Whoa.

I think we've seen him lash out at crew a few other times, like when he smacked into the dock or whatever that incident was.

I like Daisy. I think she drinks-and-kisses to earn her Bravo paycheck. I appreciate that she isn't passive aggressive and mean like some other chief stew I won't mention.

 

 

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Happy to see that some people here have never had a vehicle of any sort break down, stuff breaks, water gets in places it shouldn't on a boat regularly & why would production make it up anyway, more trouble than it's worth.  If anyone believes everything they see on this or any other below deck is made up then why watch? Sure some of it is reenactment of actual events for the cameras but once they start going into a scripted show they become actors not deck hands etc.

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22 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

However, if you pay for the luxury experience (whether on dry land or at sea) and housekeeping missing the little things like towels and toilet paper does make the staff look careless but those things are very fixable.

From the look of the rooms (especially the one that looked like a murder scene) I have a feeling they were blowing through towels and toilet paper and then running out faster than non-badgers most people.

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11 hours ago, endure said:

When you're paying over 200,000 euros for a week, plus expenses, and you are crying tears and complaining at the end about lack of toilet paper, etc, I just can't buy it.

I kind of related to the Karen who was crying and complaining to the Captain.  Please consider the possibility that she is uncomfortable with confrontation and complaints and speaking up like that was really quite stressful for her.  OTOH, she didn't contribute much to the tip so eff her.

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I refuse to believe that a boat that it is supposed to be the yacht of a BD series hasn't gone through thorough inspection at least a week before the filming was supposed to begin.
It does not make any sense, first and mostly cause Bravo should be sure about everyone's safety. 

I'm the last person to assert that Bravo doesn't make up shit for these shows, but I see absolutely no reason they would fake a broken engine or fake Covid for Gary. First of all, this is Bravo we're talking about. It's not as if they pour a lot of money into their shows, there's no reason to think they go out of their way to inspect the yachts to insure anyone's safety when both crew and guests are falling down drunk 99% of the time. It also doesn't make a lot of sense to purposely not sail for an entire charter on the Sailing yacht show.

I don't see any reason to think Gary's Covid tests were fake either. Gary is one of the "stars" of the show. Sidelining him didn't really add any drama, the deck crew were fine without him and clearly the show considers Gary a draw or they wouldn't keep bringing him back.

I know there's a lot of producer manufactured shenanigans with the guests, I think they are mostly recruited, and all the stupid theme dinners and parties are surely bullshit. But I also think that has led the audience to find everything suspect nowadays down to the last bit of minutia. And that's too bad for the show.

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17 minutes ago, Oosala said:

I kind of related to the Karen who was crying and complaining to the Captain.  Please consider the possibility that she is uncomfortable with confrontation and complaints and speaking up like that was really quite stressful for her.  OTOH, she didn't contribute much to the tip so eff her.

I thought the others sent her because she was good at complaining & I would think the tears are part of her complaining arsenal.

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35 minutes ago, Oosala said:

I kind of related to the Karen who was crying and complaining to the captain.  Please consider the possibility that she is uncomfortable with confrontation and complaints and speaking up like that was really quite stressful for her.  OTOH, she didn't contribute much to the tip so eff her.

Karen should have told Daisy at the times all the shortages happened.  That is Daisy's job and would not have been a big deal.  Karen made it a stressful, pearl clutching crying confrontation with Capital Glenn at the END of their trip.  I really think the two that went to complain to Glenn, were just trying to get out of giving a tip.  Karen was mad about not leaving the dock and realized that is not a good reason to leave a shitty or no tip since it is not the crew's fault that boat was broken.  So, she mustered up some fake tears and complained to Glenn about interior.  

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1 hour ago, gaPeach said:

Karen should have told Daisy at the times all the shortages happened.  That is Daisy's job and would not have been a big deal.  Karen made it a stressful, pearl clutching crying confrontation with Capital Glenn at the END of their trip.  I really think the two that went to complain to Glenn, were just trying to get out of giving a tip.  Karen was mad about not leaving the dock and realized that is not a good reason to leave a shitty or no tip since it is not the crew's fault that boat was broken.  So, she mustered up some fake tears and complained to Glenn about interior.  

Completely agree.  I am super terrified of confrontation, but asking for supplies when needed is something even I could do.  I think it stinks that they didn't give the stews a chance to improve their service by waiting until it was too late to say anything.  

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23 hours ago, Zaffy said:

My beloved Parsifal III, we did not start this season well..
The artificial drama.
I refuse to believe that a boat that it is supposed to be the yacht of a BD series hasn't gone through thorough inspection at least a week before the filming was supposed to begin.
It does not make any sense, first and mostly cause Bravo should be sure about everyone's safety. 
So the whole "impossible situation that Colin managed to overcome" is simply BS. 

I'm starting to think there might have been engine issues because of the mindless scenes filmed (when we'd normally be viewing scenic anchor sites, and guests enjoying the water toys.) We didn't even see much conversation when Glenn had dinner with them. It was definitely "off".

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I'm starting to think there might have been engine issues because of the mindless scenes filmed (when we'd normally be viewing scenic anchor sites, and guests enjoying the water toys.) We didn't even see much conversation when Glenn had dinner with them. It was definitely "off".

Well there were definitely engine issues because we saw them taking the whole thing apart, and they wouldn't do that just for kicks. I think the extent of the issue is the main question, and I suspect they knew all along there was a band-aid fix for it but wanted to see if a more permanent solution could be utilized first. When that turned out to be a two week job, Colin ended up performing his "magic." But I think the band-aid fix is going to be an ongoing problem, judging from the promos.

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29 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

But I think the band-aid fix is going to be an ongoing problem, judging from the promos.

Colin talking about "taking it easy" made ME nervous. Suppose to get out there in the middle of the water and then the engine dies. You can't come back to dock on sail....

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35 minutes ago, Tanukisan said:

For those of us Instagram-impaired, what did he say?  (:

I resemble that remark!

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Been seeing quite a few comments about the engine failure on @belowdecksailing being scripted. Well, let me explain…

The crew literally join the boat a day before the first charter, and I had no reason to believe the engine would not run. But when I did go to start it, it would not turn over at all. I immediately suspected the starter motor, which we luckily had a spare of, so I replaced that, to no avail. I then split the gearbox from the

I don't have an account so I couldn't get the rest but this is the important part.

 

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For those of us Instagram-impaired, what did he say?  (:

Basically a recap of what we saw on the show, how he flushed the engine several times to get all the water out. Only new info was the boat's owner (whoever that is) apparently asked him to get the engine started any way he could.

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The manufactured drama part of the engine problems was that they'd even take on a charter in the first place with the engine out.

Guests would demand a cancellation and refund.  Nobody's paying thousands to be stuck at port.  That is why them gathering money for the tip was also ridiculous.

Nobody carries thousands in USD to Europe.  They use credit cards or debit cards to withdraw from ATM.  When's the last time anyone bothered to get traveler's cheques?  Hello, the '80s called.

Again, the tips are fiction.  So many Karens dissatisfied with the charter.  Like I said, IRL, people would be demanding refunds, not doubling down and giving a big generous tip for a trip which should have been cancelled.

Yeah after the first season of BDSY, hot tub parties became a thing.  The cast must be required to suck face and play tonsil hockey for the cameras to be on the show.  That must include Daisy apparently, though maybe they don't have to twist her arms too much if she gets to stick her tongue down the throats of guys whom she considers to be cute.

I wonder if the blood on the sheets is real or more BD drama. OK, maybe women can empathize but if I was in that situation, I'd try to hide any kind of accidents rather than let the housekeeping staff discover it and have to deal with it.

As for Gary repeatedly testing positive, I think it means he didn't clear the virus and the tests are detecting the virus in his nasal swabs, even if he feels well, not having any obvious symptoms.

 

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3 hours ago, aghst said:

I wonder if the blood on the sheets is real or more BD drama. OK, maybe women can empathize but if I was in that situation, I'd try to hide any kind of accidents rather than let the housekeeping staff discover it and have to deal with it.

Same.  I would have a quiet word with one of the stews.  Also, soak in COLD water.  Sorry guys.

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we were at a fancy B&B with our 9 month old (all approved before-hand, and we were in a detached cabin). Somehow a small amount of liquid meds for the kiddo got spilled on the sheets. You can believe we stripped the bed and immediately ran cold water through the sheets and then dried them with a hair dryer! I can't even imagine leaving blood for someone to find.

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On 4/19/2023 at 9:52 AM, Welshman in Ca said:

Happy to see that some people here have never had a vehicle of any sort break down, stuff breaks, water gets in places it shouldn't on a boat regularly…”

Our agency has its vans regularly inspected by a private company to insure they are running well and safely. One day, as soon as the inspector left - a van wouldn’t start🙄

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On 4/20/2023 at 9:22 AM, iMonrey said:

Well there were definitely engine issues because we saw them taking the whole thing apart, and they wouldn't do that just for kicks. I think the extent of the issue is the main question, and I suspect they knew all along there was a band-aid fix for it but wanted to see if a more permanent solution could be utilized first.

 

I know zip about expensive sailboats, but is it really unreasonable to take two weeks to take apart/ clean/ and reassemble an engine? I thought it seemed okay given it's a big job.

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Two weeks probably isn't unreasonable for that kind of engine repair. The concern for Capt. Glenn was that he and his crew couldn't sit at the dock for two weeks without an engine when groups of  people  would be arriving and would be expecting to board the boat and go somewhere. 

I can understand the boat's owner telling Colin to try band-aid fixes first rather than immediately springing for a lengthy and expensive repair or a new engine.

At least it's provided a different kind of drama.

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