Tamra Judge: Naked Wasted

[ghoulina]

Hah, the best part is how she's familiar with many customs and cultures. That woman is the most obnoxious, immature, and disrespectful world traveler I've ever seen. 

[Snarky McSnarky]

Yikes! Is housing that expensive there?

 

It doesn't have to be.  But her babykins deserves better than an apartment in Irvine or Tustin.  He needs a nice place near Tamra so he and his new family can come and mooch off of her and Eddie.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Bella Roche

[cherry slushie]

Has anyone seen this?

 

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1094141/rhocs-tamra-judges-daughter-does-not-want-to-see-her-mom

 

I can't decide whether it's a case of Simon brainwashing or the truth.

[WireWrap]

Has anyone seen this?

 

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1094141/rhocs-tamra-judges-daughter-does-not-want-to-see-her-mom

 

I can't decide whether it's a case of Simon brainwashing or the truth.

Simon is a control freak at best IMO. I do think he is playing a game with their kids despite what the court found and I do not like Tamra! IMO, he, Simon, is hell bent on punishing Tamra because she kicked him to the curb ON CAMERA and because she got remarried.  JMO

[Bugfrey Von]

Eh. At 16, Sydney should be a little clearer about her feeling toward her mother as an adult. Simon might have laid some groundwork, but Tamballs has certainly made choices that benefited her and her career/wallet more than her children. Also, karma is kind of a bitch. Perhaps Vicki could contact Sydney and have a casual lunch on camera wherein they bash Tamra and her current life choices.

[Ubiquitous]

Has anyone seen this?

 

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1094141/rhocs-tamra-judges-daughter-does-not-want-to-see-her-mom

 

I can't decide whether it's a case of Simon brainwashing or the truth.

I think it's a mixture of both, but didn't she have a nasty online fight with her daughter?

[FozzyBear]

Yikes! Is housing that expensive there?

I'm sure it's hemmoraging money like crazy. Has anyone ever seen it busy?

Uh yes and no. I think the numbers were $7000 down and $3400 a month. That's a lot. It's not crazy for the area, but it's not bargain hunting either. They likely could have found something for around $2000 that was very nice. It's probably really big (people in CA seem to think that forcing children to share bedrooms is akin to child abuse. I say this as a lifelong Californian) and in an expensive area near Tamara. They should have been able to an apartment or something around $2000

[RedheadZombie]

This is only my second season, anyone willing to give me the rundown of Tamra and Simon's marriage/divorce?  Was she cheating with Eddie?

[zoeysmom]

This is only my second season, anyone willing to give me the rundown of Tamra and Simon's marriage/divorce?  Was she cheating with Eddie?

Yes but she claims no.

I see this and is there any wonder Tamra's 16 year daughter is a little embarrassed of mom? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-1013/videos?clip=2894996

[Snarky McSnarky]

Uh yes and no. I think the numbers were $7000 down and $3400 a month. That's a lot. It's not crazy for the area, but it's not bargain hunting either. They likely could have found something for around $2000 that was very nice. It's probably really big (people in CA seem to think that forcing children to share bedrooms is akin to child abuse. I say this as a lifelong Californian) and in an expensive area near Tamara. They should have been able to an apartment or something around $2000

This is public info per ROL -- police responded to an address on Wildemere in Rancho Santa Margarita on the DV call.  It is a street with 4 bedroom, 2 story detached houses in a HOA.  So, yea, they could have found an apartment for far less money.

[cherry slushie]

Yes but she claims no.

I see this and is there any wonder Tamra's 16 year daughter is a little embarrassed of mom? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-1013/videos?clip=2894996

 

"Why is everyone so surprised?  I'm a rocker!" (makes devil horn sign).  I gotta say; when Shannon is like that, I want to hug her. So adorable.

 

As for the Tamra-Eddie vid, EW, that pre-reveal dialogue was gross because it's them.  As we learned from the bathtub scene several years ago; Tamra being sexy is NOT sexy.

 

I need to take a shower now.

Edited August 29, 2015 by cherry slushie

[Ubiquitous]

This is only my second season, anyone willing to give me the rundown of Tamra and Simon's marriage/divorce?  Was she cheating with Eddie?

I don't recall the details, but I got the impression Simon got tired of her low-rent antics. I think the tipping point for him was when they threw a party to demonstrate what she had learned from her etiquette classes but we all know how that ended up (Naked Drunk). After the divorce, there was a custody battle over the kids b/c Simon didn't want them on this show and Tamra claimed that Simon hit her with a dog leash but it turns out he just tossed it to her and she refused to press charges. At some point, between seasons, Tamra and her eldest daughter got into a big fight on Twitter and it was nearly impossible to tell who was the child. There is probably something I missed but those are the highlights.

[zenme]

There was also the soft core porn scene on the show featuring Tammy and Eddie in the bathtub. She and Eddie had just moved in together IIRC. I'm sure this was hard for a pre-teen Sydney to either watch or hear about.

[walnutqueen]

There was also the soft core porn scene on the show featuring Tammy and Eddie in the bathtub. She and Eddie had just moved in together IIRC. I'm sure this was hard for a pre-teen Sydney to either watch or hear about.

 

I'm sure this was hard for everyone to watch.  I haven't had a bath since, and may never have one again.

[PhilMarlowe2]

I don't recall the details, but I got the impression Simon got tired of her low-rent antics. I think the tipping point for him was when they threw a party to demonstrate what she had learned from her etiquette classes but we all know how that ended up (Naked Drunk). After the divorce, there was a custody battle over the kids b/c Simon didn't want them on this show and Tamra claimed that Simon hit her with a dog leash but it turns out he just tossed it to her and she refused to press charges. At some point, between seasons, Tamra and her eldest daughter got into a big fight on Twitter and it was nearly impossible to tell who was the child. There is probably something I missed but those are the highlights.

 

I saw it completely differently. Basically, Simon had been the breadwinner in the family, but then the economy went to Hell and he lost his job. They had to move out of their home. Tamra became the breadwinner with her role on RHoOC. The dynamics in their family shifted. Simon was always very controlling, rigid and judgmental. I think there was something going on where he was simultaneously emasculated and controlling at the same time. Tamra stepped more and more into her so-called "power," which often got conflated with more and more ridiculous behavior on the show. I can't stand Tamra, and find her to be manipulative and dishonest, but that will never erase the fact that Simon was creepy weird with her. It seemed like she couldn't win in any situation - he actually got mad at her for "blowing off the family" in favor of "hanging out with Vicki" (aka fulfilling her obligations for the show) when that was clearly the only way the family was earning enough money to survive. Simon actually tried to blame Vicki for the demise of their marriage, which is the most ridiculous and immature thing I have ever heard. I will never forget the Season 5 finale where he kept forcing Tamra to be in these close embraces - even though she clearly did not want to be touching him - and whispering stuff in her ear. She was practically paralyzed with him holding her. It was so creepy. I also cannot let Simon off the hook for his part in Naked Wasted. He knew what Tamra was up to, and he did nothing to intervene. It cannot be said enough that sending Ryan to seduce drunk Gretchen was criminal behavior, and Simon really didn't seem concerned at all. In short, they were both assholes. But I think Tamra initially hitched a ride with him willing to be the subservient wife in exchange for the life he provided - but when he lost his job and she started wearing the pants, they could no longer sustain that model anymore. She got wilder, he got angrier and it became a clusterfuck of two lying liars who lie all the time.

Edited August 30, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2

[zoeysmom]

Personally, I see little difference between Eddie and Simon.  Simon was the SOLE bread winner when we were first introduced to Tamra.  Tamra and Eddie were hanging out as "friends" prior to the separation of Tamra and Simon.  Simon lost his job and had a tough time getting back into something else that paid the same.  Eddie had a job through his adoptive father and as soon as he could get Tamra to agree to "invest in a gym" he quit his full time job and Tamra has said the place loses money.  So for the entirety of their marriage Tamra has been the sole supporter in her third marriage.   

 

Vicki decided to plant that seed in Tamra's head about Simon being controlling.  Simon who, got up and made lunches and breakfast for the kids every morning so Tamra could sleep in, Simon who asked his wife not get naked or parade around in underwear in front of the other husbands, Simon who insisted Tamra's adult son contribute in a positive way to society or at least have a job when living under their roof.  Same son that Simon paid rent for on an apartment. See current day Ryan, evidence that Simon was on to something.  I have decided when Tamra now wants to remove herself from the immediate fray-she uses Eddie to convey her feelings. She did this with Simon over Vicki and now she does it with Eddie over Vicki.  This is Simon the controlling one, who when they were very stressed over money, Tamra kept holding up one designer dress after another asking which one he liked-when he stated he wanted her to be more modest she pitched a fit and called him controlling. 

 

I think Eddie will do pretty much anything for money so he can prance around in Spandex and not have to go back to a real job.  Simon was different-he thought of his children and admits he had control over how his children were portrayed on the show (the contract with the production company was part of the court documents).  Eddie partook in the ridiculous robot scene last season because they were so desperate for a storyline.

 

So when Tamra met Eddie, while she was married to Simon, I believe she saw an employed childless guy with a house and a BMW and a way to be out of marriage that had some financial difficulties, instead of working through them.  Neither Simon or Eddie strike e as a barrel of laughs but I do believe Simon does have their children's best interests at heart.

 

I noticed a lot of folks have been commenting on Ryan's rental home-last year Ryan was tweeting away the whole show thing was fake, he was going to do the show because he liked the paycheck and they laugh their asses off all the way to the bank..  So I am guessing that once filming wraps and Ryan is on his own again that Sara will either move her brood up north or they will both go.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  It was my understanding that Ryan received about $30,000.00 last year for just being Tamra's spawn and announcing a wedding that never took place.

[FozzyBear]

I saw it completely differently. Basically, Simon had been the breadwinner in the family, but then the economy went to Hell and he lost his job. They had to move out of their home. Tamra became the breadwinner with her role on RHoOC. The dynamics in their family shifted. Simon was always very controlling, rigid and judgmental. I think there was something going on where he was simultaneously emasculated and controlling at the same time. Tamra stepped more and more into her so-called "power," which often got conflated with more and more ridiculous behavior on the show. I can't stand Tamra, and find her to be manipulative and dishonest, but that will never erase the fact that Simon was creepy weird with her. It seemed like she couldn't win in any situation - he actually got mad at her for "blowing off the family" in favor of "hanging out with Vicki" (aka fulfilling her obligations for the show) when that was clearly the only way the family was earning enough money to survive. Simon actually tried to blame Vicki for the demise of their marriage, which is the most ridiculous and immature thing I have ever heard. I will never forget the Season 5 finale where he kept forcing Tamra to be in these close embraces - even though she clearly did not want to be touching him - and whispering stuff in her ear. She was practically paralyzed with him holding her. It was so creepy. I also cannot let Simon off the hook for his part in Naked Wasted. He knew what Tamra was up to, and he did nothing to intervene. It cannot be said enough that sending Ryan to seduce drunk Gretchen was criminal behavior, and Simon really didn't seem concerned at all. In short, they were both assholes. But I think Tamra initially hitched a ride with him willing to be the subservient wife in exchange for the life he provided - but when he lost his job and she started wearing the pants, they could no longer sustain that model anymore. She got wilder, he got angrier and it became a clusterfuck of two lying liars who lie all the time.

That's how I saw it too. Simon creeped the ever living fuck out of me. I think their relationship was never really happy, but had been built on sort of a bargain of Simon providing Tanara with a lifestyle and Tanara providing Simon with sex and a SAHM. Then he looses his job at around the same time Tamara becomes really popular as the Amanda Woodward of reality TV. Simon isn't getting his sexy, happy homemaker and Tamara is wondering why she has to care about his rules when she's making the money and the whole thing goes to hell. Oh and I also think Simon had an affair or something with Kara Keough. Truth be told, I think they both probably had many affairs during their marriage.

Edited August 30, 2015 by FozzyBear

[WireWrap]

  Simon was different-he thought of his children and admits he had control over how his children were portrayed on the show (the contract with the production company was part of the court documents).  Eddie partook in the ridiculous robot scene last season because they were so desperate for a storyline.

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I noticed a lot of folks have been commenting on Ryan's rental home-last year Ryan was tweeting away the whole show thing was fake, he was going to do the show because he liked the paycheck and they laugh their asses off all the way to the bank..  So I am guessing that once filming wraps and Ryan is on his own again that Sara will either move her brood up north or they will both go.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  It was my understanding that Ryan received about $30,000.00 last year for just being Tamra's spawn and announcing a wedding that never took place.

Simon had no problems having their kids on the show when he was also on the show and he did not have any control of what was filmed or shown on air back then either. He used a Bravo contract as evidence that having the kids on the show was not in their best interest because no one knew what Bravo would show on air, not as an example of control he had when he allowed it. Simon is a controlling ass and that has not changed IMO. Now, that doesn't mean Tamra is a great mother either because I do believe that BOTH Simon and Tamra use their kids as weapons against each other.

 

Ryan, he is a different subject altogether IMO. I think Tamra indulged him at every turn because it was easier and as a way to pacify him when she and his dad broke up. Now we see the end result, a petulant man/boy that can not stand on his own 2 feet and resents it big time.

[FozzyBear]

Simon had no problems having their kids on the show when he was also on the show and he did not have any control of what was filmed or shown on air back then either. He used a Bravo contract as evidence that having the kids on the show was not in their best interest because no one knew what Bravo would show on air, not as an example of control he had when he allowed it. Simon is a controlling ass and that has not changed IMO. Now, that doesn't mean Tamra is a great mother either because I do believe that BOTH Simon and Tamra use their kids as weapons against each other.

Ryan, he is a different subject altogether IMO. I think Tamra indulged him at every turn because it was easier and as a way to pacify him when she and his dad broke up. Now we see the end result, a petulant man/boy that can not stand on his own 2 feet and resents it big time.

Yeah, Simon's sudden concern over his children filming smacked of sour grapes to me. He was on for what? 3 seasons and it's the first season where he's not getting a paycheck that he decides it's damaging to the kids? Don't get me wrong, I would want my dog on one of those shows, but Simon didn't have a problem when he was getting to be a TV star. I think Simon and Tamara are both trashy people who are using their kids to try and punish each other.

As for Ryan, well Tamara just a shitty mom. She's only ever "raised" Ryan when it didn't interfere with her latest sugar daddy, now she throws money to make up for it. Tamara doesn't really give a shit about any of her kids. I don't buy Simon's concerns about the kids filming at all, but it also doesn't surprise me that Tamara chose the show over them. She's just a shitty person who brings other shitty people into her life because they will put up with her shit.

[becauseIsaidso]

I saw it completely differently. Basically, Simon had been the breadwinner in the family, but then the economy went to Hell and he lost his job. They had to move out of their home. Tamra became the breadwinner with her role on RHoOC. The dynamics in their family shifted. Simon was always very controlling, rigid and judgmental. I think there was something going on where he was simultaneously emasculated and controlling at the same time. Tamra stepped more and more into her so-called "power," which often got conflated with more and more ridiculous behavior on the show. I can't stand Tamra, and find her to be manipulative and dishonest, but that will never erase the fact that Simon was creepy weird with her. It seemed like she couldn't win in any situation - he actually got mad at her for "blowing off the family" in favor of "hanging out with Vicki" (aka fulfilling her obligations for the show) when that was clearly the only way the family was earning enough money to survive. Simon actually tried to blame Vicki for the demise of their marriage, which is the most ridiculous and immature thing I have ever heard. I will never forget the Season 5 finale where he kept forcing Tamra to be in these close embraces - even though she clearly did not want to be touching him - and whispering stuff in her ear. She was practically paralyzed with him holding her. It was so creepy. I also cannot let Simon off the hook for his part in Naked Wasted. He knew what Tamra was up to, and he did nothing to intervene. It cannot be said enough that sending Ryan to seduce drunk Gretchen was criminal behavior, and Simon really didn't seem concerned at all. In short, they were both assholes. But I think Tamra initially hitched a ride with him willing to be the subservient wife in exchange for the life he provided - but when he lost his job and she started wearing the pants, they could no longer sustain that model anymore. She got wilder, he got angrier and it became a clusterfuck of two lying liars who lie all the time.

IMO Simon is a control freak and a total douche, but I saw those Season 5 finale embraces as very engineered by the Queen of Tramps...if there's one thing I absolutely believe about the tramp, it is that she ALWAYS knows when the camera is on her and usually manages to play it to her advantage (fake/dry tears, misunderstood victim role and all) - including things she has already agreed (with bravo) to do for the sole purpose of increasing her value as a bringer of drama. And as for the stuff he was whispering, IIRC it had a lot to do with Icky and Icky's interference in the Barney marriage, I know I will absolutely not tolerate anyone butting into my business....if Icky thought he was controlling/wrong, she should have taken issue with Simon directly, rather than constantly buzz in the tramp's ear. Simon and the tramp should have squared off privately, hashed it out, put an end to it, decided on the dissolution of the family unit, not played it out for shits and giggles in front of a camera (Simon knew it was there as much as the tramp did)

 

The only reason I would think Simon is the better parent is the tramps's relentlessly slutty behavior and desperate fame-whoring. I think the tramp would have gone totally ballistic if Simon had agreed to the kids being on camera as long as HE was also shown (and not winding up on the cutting room floor) picking them up, bringing them over....and doing so pleasantly, even neutrally, no dialogue needed, just a smiling, non-combative affect would have done it. It would have destroyed the image the tramp has pushed and pushed about him...it would have been a nearly no-win situation for her. And I think Simon knows it.

 

Yes, he probably did know what the tramp was up to on Naked Wasted night...but he's not the paid HouseHO and, it seemed to me at that time if not before, the realization had finally sunk into him as to what a sluttybitch he had been all too willing to marry (back when things were good for him).

 

It must have been tough for him to go through the shifting of power dynamics as it happened, and on balance, I wonder how many people who are used to being in power could take that kind of humiliation happening in front of the camera. I think the tramp was all too willing to take over the top spot....but it seems she never considered  what it would do to him/her husband, and to their children's perception of their father, for the tramp to be suddenly lording it over him as the new cock of the walk.

 

They're a real pair of losers, sometimes it's hard to tell which one is worse.

 

Bottom line for me, as much as I dislike Simon, the tramp proves over and over again exactly what kind of piece of trash she is. Don't know much about how she and eddie are doing, but I don't really think I care to.

 

Maybe I'll break down and watch the reunion...then again...probably not.

[zoeysmom]

Simon seems to have recovered nicely.  He has a twitter account it is chock full of pictures of the kids, his girlfriend and of course him.  He is dull as dirt but he is very involved in his kids' lives.  They go to Hawaii and zipline, they attend recitals, they go to the first day of school.  The oldest daughter looks like him and the youngest looks like Tamra.

 

Although it does seem rather hypocritical these men withdraw their permission for their kids to film-in each case the RH has gone down the path of saying something crappy about the kids' dads.  Brandi with Eddie, Camille with Kelsey and Tamra with Simon.  I do think Tamra's youngest wants to be on camera and someday she may thank her dad for seeing that doesn't happen.  There is no mercy in the Bravo editing room. 

[chenoa333]

I googled simon barneys girlfriend- her name is Catushia Ienni. Her name alone brings up some adorable photos of her. I especially like the one where she's wearing nothing but a sweater/jacket that comes just below her nether region. The sweater is unzipped displaying her gigantic fake breasts. Simon definitely likes the young trashy women. What a great role model for his daughters!

Aside from the slutty pic, catushia is pretty. I think andy should hire her to replace tamra on rhoc!

[PhilMarlowe2]

Ohmagod that would be great stunt casting - do a little NJ tomfoolery and bring on Simon's girlfriend as the latest OC Housewife, but while Tamra is still on the show!

[chenoa333]

That is a deliciously devious idea! And replace mehgan with lauri peterson...she could be dropped off at vicki's house in a family van!

[MatildaMoody]

 

Simon had no problems having their kids on the show when he was also on the show and he did not have any control of what was filmed or shown on air back then either.

When it came to the kids he did have control over what was being filmed. By virtue of being their parent, he could simply remove them from the room the film crew was in if he felt they were going to be portrayed poorly. Why do you thin we never saw footage of the Barney kids behaving like brats? Instead, we only saw them being cute while they helped clean the house, sitting quietly while their trucker tits of a mom yelled obscenities, adorably riding their bikes to school while their father followed them to make sure the got there safely. 

 

Say what you want about Simon, but he made sure that there was only ever positive footage of those kids. That is not something that could be guaranteed if Tamra is the only parent around when they are being filmed. Not only would she not care if the cameras caught the kids being bratty or difficult, she would most likely go along with Production in trying to encourage the behavior for the sake of the camera. So, I don't blame Simon one bit for not allowing them to film if he is not going to be present. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

Say what you want about Simon, but he made sure that there was only ever positive footage of those kids.

 

Do we know this for a fact? There have been plenty of RH kids who have not been shown in a negative light - Kelly Bensimon's kids spring to mind, Ramona's Avery has never really had a bad moment (impressive considering she was in her teens), Cynthia's kid has always been well behaved, Sheree's kids always seemed nice on TV. It is just very hard for me to buy into the idea of Simon as some benevolent father who has nothing but his kids' best interest at heart. I see him as very controlling and self-victimizing, and I think he uses the kids as ammunition against Tamra.

[MatildaMoody]

Do we know this for a fact? There have been plenty of RH kids who have not been shown in a negative light - Kelly Bensimon's kids spring to mind, Ramona's Avery has never really had a bad moment (impressive considering she was in her teens), Cynthia's kid has always been well behaved, Sheree's kids always seemed nice on TV. It is just very hard for me to buy into the idea of Simon as some benevolent father who has nothing but his kids' best interest at heart. I see him as very controlling and self-victimizing, and I think he uses the kids as ammunition against Tamra.

 

I never meant to imply that Simon is some benevolent father. I am simply stating that having a parent there who will set limits for the kids (whether they will film that day versus having them occupied doing something else while filming is happening, or choosing to do a specific scene with the kids) that gives them the control over whether or not there will even be footage of the kids. Kyle of BH says that her older daughters simply decide whether or not they feel up to being on camera when the cameras are there. In cases like Avery, or Cynthia or Kelly's kids, the children were much older than the Barney kids when they started filming and were much more aware of the fact that there were cameras there and their friends would eventually see it. Sheree's kids were very rarely shown, but were always on their best behavior. These were kids who not only had parents there to guide them, but were also aware enough to self edit themselves. 

 

Kids who were as young as the Barney kids when they started filming would not have been aware enough to edit their behavior without a parent there to set the ground rules. I remember a very specific scene where the kids were around and Tamra yells out BALLS at the top of her lungs, Simon visually flinches and looks around to see if the kids were affected by that. To me, that seemed to be the beginning of when he started actively limiting the amount of time the kids were actually on film. Then after the Naked Wasted episode, we rarely ever saw the young kids unless it was specific "cute" scene that was obviously staged. And, i don't doubt that Simon uses the kids as ammunition, I think both Simon and Tamra are guilty of that. 

 

But when it comes to how the kids are shown, we have some very good examples of parents not setting limits on what their kids will film. The Guidice girls could have benefited from having parents that were more aware that every exploit that got caught on film would live on forever. Alex and Simon (although i still believe that BRAVO intentionally showed their normal rambunctious behavior in a bad light) could have benefited from having parents that weren't so gung ho for every single bit of screen time they could get. 

Edited August 31, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[WireWrap]

When it came to the kids he did have control over what was being filmed. By virtue of being their parent, he could simply remove them from the room the film crew was in if he felt they were going to be portrayed poorly. Why do you thin we never saw footage of the Barney kids behaving like brats? Instead, we only saw them being cute while they helped clean the house, sitting quietly while their trucker tits of a mom yelled obscenities, adorably riding their bikes to school while their father followed them to make sure the got there safely. 

 

Say what you want about Simon, but he made sure that there was only ever positive footage of those kids. That is not something that could be guaranteed if Tamra is the only parent around when they are being filmed. Not only would she not care if the cameras caught the kids being bratty or difficult, she would most likely go along with Production in trying to encourage the behavior for the sake of the camera. So, I don't blame Simon one bit for not allowing them to film if he is not going to be present. 

As PhilMarlowe2 just said, we don't know what was or was not filmed and I will add that there were times the kids were filmed with Tamra alone. It is possible that they were afraid to do anything bad or questionable because of their fathers rigidness/rules as well just as much as it is possible that they are just good kids. I think keeping the kids off the show is a good thing, for ALL of the HWs, or limiting their camera time to small snippets without any bad/unruly behavior but that is just my opinion.

[Snarky McSnarky]

There was also the soft core porn scene on the show featuring Tammy and Eddie in the bathtub. She and Eddie had just moved in together IIRC. I'm sure this was hard for a pre-teen Sydney to either watch or hear about.

It is featured prominently in the next episode.  While Tamra says she and Eddie would NEVER do a real sex tape, Bravo cuts to an extended version of the nude bathtub scene (filmed by at least one camera operator and probably two).  The kids are going to hear about it again, along with new comments about the sex-themed party.  Such a good role model mommy.   

[zenme]

It is featured prominently in the next episode.  While Tamra says she and Eddie would NEVER do a real sex tape, Bravo cuts to an extended version of the nude bathtub scene (filmed by at least one camera operator and probably two).  The kids are going to hear about it again, along with new comments about the sex-themed party.  Such a good role model mommy.

 

I saw that! I feel for the Tamra's kids this week at school.  Doesn't Tamra think?  I had a stepfather when I was Sydney's (Tamra's kid) age, and I would have been beyond mortified to have to see that, or hear about it from my friends, that my mother was having foreplay on tv.  Tamra feels like she's playing a role, and giving viewers what we want to see, as she indicated on  WWHL with Andy.  Sorry, but I couldn't do that to my parents or family, and especially not to my children. 

 

ETA: I think that scene could have been more for Simon's sake.

Edited August 31, 2015 by zenme

[zoeysmom]

I saw that! I feel for the Tamra's kids this week at school.  Doesn't Tamra think?  I had a stepfather when I was Sydney's (Tamra's kid) age, and I would have been beyond mortified to have to see that, or hear about it from my friends, that my mother was having foreplay on tv.  Tamra feels like she's playing a role, and giving viewers what we want to see, as she indicated on  WWHL with Andy.  Sorry, but I couldn't do that to my parents or family, and especially not to my children. 

 

ETA: I think that scene could have been more for Simon's sake.

it is amazing to me that Tamra cries about being in court over custody and the issue and it is her behavior on the show that causes her children embarrassment and she turns around and does it again and proceeds to file another custody motion.  In a strange way Tamra said something to Eddie about not talking about them having sex in front of her mother and yet she can't understand how it might embarrass her children.

[Ubiquitous]

I saw it completely differently. Basically, Simon had been the breadwinner in the family, but then the economy went to Hell and he lost his job. They had to move out of their home. Tamra became the breadwinner with her role on RHoOC. The dynamics in their family shifted. Simon was always very controlling, rigid and judgmental. I think there was something going on where he was simultaneously emasculated and controlling at the same time. Tamra stepped more and more into her so-called "power," which often got conflated with more and more ridiculous behavior on the show. I can't stand Tamra, and find her to be manipulative and dishonest, but that will never erase the fact that Simon was creepy weird with her. It seemed like she couldn't win in any situation - he actually got mad at her for "blowing off the family" in favor of "hanging out with Vicki" (aka fulfilling her obligations for the show) when that was clearly the only way the family was earning enough money to survive. Simon actually tried to blame Vicki for the demise of their marriage, which is the most ridiculous and immature thing I have ever heard. I will never forget the Season 5 finale where he kept forcing Tamra to be in these close embraces - even though she clearly did not want to be touching him - and whispering stuff in her ear. She was practically paralyzed with him holding her. It was so creepy. I also cannot let Simon off the hook for his part in Naked Wasted. He knew what Tamra was up to, and he did nothing to intervene. It cannot be said enough that sending Ryan to seduce drunk Gretchen was criminal behavior, and Simon really didn't seem concerned at all. In short, they were both assholes. But I think Tamra initially hitched a ride with him willing to be the subservient wife in exchange for the life he provided - but when he lost his job and she started wearing the pants, they could no longer sustain that model anymore. She got wilder, he got angrier and it became a clusterfuck of two lying liars who lie all the time.

I see your point, but I recall Tamra, in typical fashion, played Simon and Vicki against each other by boo-hoo'ing to each about what the other had said.

[Ubiquitous]

It is featured prominently in the next episode.  While Tamra says she and Eddie would NEVER do a real sex tape, Bravo cuts to an extended version of the nude bathtub scene (filmed by at least one camera operator and probably two).  The kids are going to hear about it again, along with new comments about the sex-themed party.  Such a good role model mommy.

Am I mistaken, or did Tamra claim at a reunion show that her kids are court-ordered to not watch this show?

[MatildaMoody]

I see your point, but I recall Tamra, in typical fashion, played Simon and Vicki against each other by boo-hoo'ing to each about what the other had said.

YES! At one point both Vicki and Simon told Tamra on separate occasions not to discuss one with the other. Vicki even told Tamra, that if she didn't want her opinion, not to drag her into conversations about her marriage. But, Tamra relished the opportunity to play the victim caught in the middle between her husband and her "best friend."

 

 

Am I mistaken, or did Tamra claim at a reunion show that her kids are court-ordered to not watch this show?

She did say something like that, but it's not really something she can control. The courts can order Simon not to allow them to view the show, but how is she going to stop the kids' friends from showing them the episodes online? Or, the kids just going on line and watching without their parents knowing? And if it is a scene like that bathtub scene, of course the kids are still going to hear about it from friends/enemies at school.

 

ETA: The one thing I never understood was why she fought so hard to get the kids on a show that they weren't even allowed to watch?

Edited August 31, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[JAYJAY1979]

I recall at the season 6 reunion how she said her kids couldn't watch bravo, etc. It was Alexis, of all people, that pointed out that there were other ways her kids could find out about the bathtub scene then watching it on tv.

[ghoulina]

When it came to the kids he did have control over what was being filmed. By virtue of being their parent, he could simply remove them from the room the film crew was in if he felt they were going to be portrayed poorly. Why do you thin we never saw footage of the Barney kids behaving like brats? Instead, we only saw them being cute while they helped clean the house, sitting quietly while their trucker tits of a mom yelled obscenities, adorably riding their bikes to school while their father followed them to make sure the got there safely.

Say what you want about Simon, but he made sure that there was only ever positive footage of those kids. That is not something that could be guaranteed if Tamra is the only parent around when they are being filmed. Not only would she not care if the cameras caught the kids being bratty or difficult, she would most likely go along with Production in trying to encourage the behavior for the sake of the camera. So, I don't blame Simon one bit for not allowing them to film if he is not going to be present.

 

I completely agree with you. Simon is no saint, but I have no issues with him refusing to let the kids be on camera. I don't see it as hypocritical or sour grapes or anything like that. When the Barneys were on, there were very few scenes of the children. They were not the focus in any way, shape, or form. I do believe a large part of that was Simon's doing. Now that they're divorced - he'd have no control over what Tamra does when they're at her house filming. And I can totally see her using them to create more interest in her storyline. So he put the kibosh on it altogether. 

 

Yes, some of what I saw from Simon on the show was borderline abusive/controlling. But that was really all in relation to Tamra. I really have little idea of how he is with his kids, but he seems to have their best interests in mind. Whereas Tamra is content to act like a fool on national TV and forever embarrass her children with her disgusting behavior. 

 

 

 

I see your point, but I recall Tamra, in typical fashion, played Simon and Vicki against each other by boo-hoo'ing to each about what the other had said.

 

Oh, she absolutely did. She would bitch about Simon to Vicki; and then when Vicki would concur that he was an ass and here's what you should do about, Tamra would run back to her husband with that info. She would leave out the fact that SHE started the Simon-shit-talking sessions, and make it look like Vicki just offered up these tidbits. And then Simon would get all pissed off at Vicki. Then Tamra would run back to Vicks and whine that Simon doesn't want them to be friends. That chick is a master manipulator. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by ghoulina

[zoeysmom]

Am I mistaken, or did Tamra claim at a reunion show that her kids are court-ordered to not watch this show?

I believe Simon doesn't let the kids watch the show at his house and Tamra claims the same.  I don't think the Court makes TV watching orders.  Tamra's ego is such I am sure she and her kids want to see her and Ryan and grandma and Eddie on TV.

I completely agree with you. Simon is no saint, but I have no issues with him refusing to let the kids be on camera. I don't see it as hypocritical or sour grapes or anything like that. When the Barneys were on, there were very few scenes of the children. They were not the focus in any way, shape, or form. I do believe a large part of that was Simon's doing. Now that they're divorced - he'd have no control over what Tamra does when they're at her house filming. And I can totally see her using them to create more interest in her storyline. So he put the kibosh on it altogether. 

 

Yes, some of what I saw from Simon on the show was borderline abusive/controlling. But that was really all in relation to Tamra. I really have little idea of how he is with his kids, but he seems to have their best interests in mind. Whereas Tamra is content to act like a fool on national TV and forever embarrass her children with her disgusting behavior. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, she absolutely did. She would bitch about Simon to Vicki; and then when Vicki would concur that he was an ass and here's what you should do about, Tamra would run back to her husband with that info. She would leave out the fact that SHE started the Simon-shit-talking sessions, and make it look like Vicki just offered up these tidbits. And then Simon would get all pissed off at Vicki. Then Tamra would run back to Vicks and whine that Simon doesn't want them to be friends. That chick is a master manipulator. 

That is exactly what Tamra did.  Now she is gaslighting Vicki a bit over this Brooks and cancer situation.  Tamra enlisted an able crew with Meghan and Heather.

[trimthatfat]

I remember Tamra mentioning on WWHL that one of her daughters did not want to live with her, but I had no idea that the relationship was so contentious. I assumed she just didn't want to be on camera. Anyway, Tamra's daughter is at that age where I think she should be able to decide who she would prefer to be with and if Simon isn't doing anything to compromise the relationship between the daughter and Tamra, the daughter's wishes should be respected.

[Ubiquitous]

I believe Simon doesn't let the kids watch the show at his house and Tamra claims the same.  I don't think the Court makes TV watching orders.  Tamra's ego is such I am sure she and her kids want to see her and Ryan and grandma and Eddie on TV.

That is exactly what Tamra did.  Now she is gaslighting Vicki a bit over this Brooks and cancer situation.  Tamra enlisted an able crew with Meghan and Heather.

this season's reunion should be interesting!

[zoeysmom]

Season after season Tamra has behaved in the most abhorrent ways, lying, cheating, shit stirring and now she is on board with the Lord, watch that be her ticket to the RHOC exit.  Now she is designing gym workout shirts with biblical quotes.   https://instagram.com/p/7GSOVUPCig/

[ghoulina]

Proverbs 31:10 

 

Just sayin

[PhilMarlowe2]

Oh, she absolutely did. She would bitch about Simon to Vicki; and then when Vicki would concur that he was an ass and here's what you should do about, Tamra would run back to her husband with that info. She would leave out the fact that SHE started the Simon-shit-talking sessions, and make it look like Vicki just offered up these tidbits. And then Simon would get all pissed off at Vicki. Then Tamra would run back to Vicks and whine that Simon doesn't want them to be friends. That chick is a master manipulator. 

 

Oh, yes, I totally believe Tamra played Vicki and Simon against each other - especially since she did that constantly with all of her fellow cast members last season. But that still doesn't make it not ridiculous for a grown man like Simon to blame Vicki for the demise of his marriage. Your marriage cannot fall apart because of a friend's gossiping. Or, to put it another way, if Vicki really had that much influence on their marriage, then their marriage wasn't that strong in the first place. It's called self-responsibility. Can you imagine if Simon went on Judge Judy accusing Vicki of destroying his marriage? She would rip him to shreds!

Edited September 2, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2

[MatildaMoody]

Here is my take on Tamra:

 

When Tamra finished her first season, she must have thought that she had a great showing. She was the "Hottest Housewife" her husband indulged her hotness and trashy behavior as all in good fun. She got gifted a Rolex for her birthday. Simon was being lauded by the audience for his stance on Ryan either having a job or being in school if he was going to live with his young and impressionable siblings. Things were good. Then at the end of the season feedback started coming out about how trashy Tamra's behavior was - especially on the girls only vacations. 

 

Cut to their second season where Simon has lost his job due in large part to the behaviors they displayed on the show. They were both trying to hold on to the "lifestyle" and suddenly there is a younger housewife with a sob story of a dying fiance for Tamra to contend with. 

 

So, now Simon is trying to use the show to launch a new business to keep up with the lifestyle - something to do with Tequila IIRC. He is trying to get Tamra to tone down the vulgar talk onscreen. He is sending her to etiquette classes and watching her like a hawk when it comes to drunken vacations with Vicki. I don't think that Simon was trying to control Tamra so much as he was trying to get her to be aware that her behavior had consequences when it came to their real life outside of the show. But by that point, Tamra had gotten a taste of Housewives cash and fame and was starting to feel like she didn't need Simon to provide for her. She can film and pretend to be a realtor and collect a fat paycheck for a few months of showing her ass on national television. 

 

That is where the real struggle began. Simon had no problem with Tamra's trashy behavior UNTIL it affected his ability to provide for the family. Then he tried to subtlety get her to tone it down with etiquette lessons. Well, that led to Naked Wasted. So then he started being more assertive in wanting to be there when the "girls" were going on vacation so that she wouldn't make a drunken fool of herself. We started seeing the uncomfortable looks when she would suddenly yell out BALLS at a kid's party. And I will say that Tamra did try to play along at first. I think it must have been surprising to her that the behaviors that she had most likely exhibited during their marriage were no longer acceptable to him when they were on TV.

 

Enter Alexis and Jim, and Tamra tried to model herself after Alexis. (Does anyone else remember that scene of  her begging Simon to acknowledge that she does in fact obey him the way Alexis does Jim? They were out to dinner with the Bellinos and Alex was cutting Jim's meat for him and Simon compared their relationship to the Bellinos? It is no wonder Tamra developed such a hard on to destroy Alexis in subsequent seasons. She probably hated herself for begging Simon to say on camera that she was an obedient wife and blamed Alexis for it). She got his name tattooed on her ring finger (kiss of death for any relationship). She tried to make all of the drama about Gretchen being in a fake relationship so that their marriage wouldn't be in the hot seat. And when none of that worked, she realized that she had the money to just leave, but she couldn't do it in such a way that it would be her fault. So, she pulled Vicki into the mix. 

 

Tamra started doing what we have now come to recognize as her MO.Much in the same way she played Simon and Ryan against each other with her stuck in the middle, she started doing the same thing with Simon and Vicki. I do think both Simon and Tamra used Vicki as a scapegoat for their marriage problems.

 

Tamra is evil, and uneducated, but she does have street smarts. She was masterful in the way she managed to make herself the helpless pawn between Simon and Vicki. The way she constantly portrayed Simon as controlling to Vicki and the audience actually worked. The way she let it all build up to ask for a divorce on camera was genius (in a single swoop she managed to make herself the victim of a controlling husband, walk away from said husband guilt free, and guarantee her orange for the next season). Hell, she cheated on Simon with Eddie and still managed to paint Simon as the bad guy. 

 

It's really no wonder that none of the women want to cross Tamra. Look at what she was able to do to her own family and still get away with a major paycheck and all the camera time she could ever want.

[PhilMarlowe2]

She got his name tattooed on her ring finger (kiss of death for any relationship).

 

Oh my God, I forgot about this whole ridiculous storyline! But, see, this is why I can never see Simon as a victim. I remember his response to the tattoo - he loved it! And he kept saying, "This is the most un-selfish thing you have ever done." In reference to her tattooing his name on her finger. It's little things like that repeated comment that I find so creepy and weird. Who says that to someone? Not, "Wow, what a loving gesture, thank you so much!" Not, "This was so thoughtful!" But "This is the most un-selfish thing you have ever done." It was like a parent talking to a child, commending her for not being bad (for once), it was such a strange way of showing his appreciation. And so maybe Tamra is selfish? Getting a tattoo of Simon's name is somehow an emblem of being"un-selfish" to Simon? I mean, it's not like she invested in the kids college fund or got Simon his dream car. She stamped his name on her body. It was trashy and ridiculous. And his proclamation of it being so "un-selfish" just felt like weird, archaic ownership. I think Simon is as dramatic and cunning as Tamra.

Edited September 2, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2

[MatildaMoody]

I thought he was appalled by the tattoo, IIRC.

 

He did look appalled, but he also said it was the most unselfish thing she had ever done, because she kept saying "this is what I did for you, aren't you surprised?" She kept trying to explain all of the secrecy around it and how she planned it out as this surprise specific to him and how much energy she put into it. So, what else could he say? She wanted him to call it out as an unselfish gesture and he did. But if I remember, he didn't look pleased. He looked pained like she had just proven that she would never be anything other than the trashy gal he married. But, he gave her that sound bite that she was so looking for. The smug look on her face when he said that it was the most unselfish thing she had ever done was just unforgettable. I think that is when Simon knew that Tamra would never understand that he was trying to put a division between the show and their lives. He realized she had done all of this on camera without telling him and the ring finger tattoo was the only result.

 

I think Simon and Shannon actually have a lot in common. Simon had expectations for how Tamra would behave on the show but couldn't express them. Shannon has expectations for how David should behave but can't express them. This is the best sociological experiment I have ever witnessed and I have had the opportunity to witness it for 10 years!

 

ETA: I also remember the way Tamra set up the reveal for that scene. She made it sound like she was about to confess some grave thing that involved their mutual friends keeping secrets. Simon looked like he wanted to stop the conversation because they were on camera. I think he even said something about it maybe not being the right time to surprise him. If that wasn't a complete picture of why the two of them should most likely never have been married, I don't know what was.

Edited September 3, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[PhilMarlowe2]

Well, we see that scene completely differently, but I did love that storyline. IIRC, was that she same dinner where one of Tamra's "cousins" was being really racy and inappropriate with Ryan? Or was that when she visited her hometown to "confront" her father about the "traumatizing" divorce in folding chairs by the sewer?

[MatildaMoody]

Well, we see that scene completely differently, but I did love that storyline. IIRC, was that she same dinner where one of Tamra's "cousins" was being really racy and inappropriate with Ryan? Or was that when she visited her hometown to "confront" her father about the "traumatizing" divorce in folding chairs by the sewer?

 

The inappropriate cousin was when she visited her hometown. That traumatizing divorce that occurred when Tamra was 25. This from a woman who after her first divorce abandoned her young child twice. But, her parents' divorce was traumatizing for her even though she was an adult at the time. 

 

You know, the more I think about it, no matter how much of an asshole Simon may be; it is completely feasible and even downright plausible that Tamra did a bang up job of alienating her daughter all on her own without any interference from Simon. If we just look at all of the horribly narcissistic and sometimes downright vile things Tamra has done ON CAMERA, imagine what hell it would have been to live with her as a daughter growing up? And I don't doubt for one moment that Tamra is the kind of mother who feels she has to compete with her teenage daughter.

Edited September 3, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[zenme]

IMO Tamra doesn't have any real healthy relationships with women. She loves her mother, but she's indicated that they had a relationship that was not the greatest. She has a vast array of dysfunctional relationships. She has issues. It's not surprising to me that she doesn't have the greatest relationship with her daughter right now.

[WireWrap]

IMO Tamra doesn't have any real healthy relationships with women. She loves her mother, but she's indicated that they had a relationship that was not the greatest. She has a vast array of dysfunctional relationships. She has issues. It's not surprising to me that she doesn't have the greatest relationship with her daughter right now.

IMO, Tamra sees ALL women as competition, including her teenage daughter.

[zoeysmom]

The inappropriate cousin was when she visited her hometown. That traumatizing divorce that occurred when Tamra was 25. This from a woman who after her first divorce abandoned her young child twice. But, her parents' divorce was traumatizing for her even though she was an adult at the time. 

 

You know, the more I think about it, no matter how much of an asshole Simon may be; it is completely feasible and even downright plausible that Tamra did a bang up job of alienating her daughter all on her own without any interference from Simon. If we just look at all of the horribly narcissistic and sometimes downright vile things Tamra has done ON CAMERA, imagine what hell it would have been to live with her as a daughter growing up? And I don't doubt for one moment that Tamra isn't the kind of mother who feels she has to compete with her teenage daughter.

There are some pretty tough message to Tamra's daughter telling her essence to suck it up over the divorce and of course how the divorce was  much worse for Tamra.  I think it would be awful to have so little empathy from my mom over my feelings regarding the divorce.  Tamra did some pretty alienating things such as travel with Eddie to Spain, not tell Simon and then have her kids stay with her mom during her custody period instead of staying with Simon.

 

I never saw Simon as a controlling fiend. He was the one dealing with a wife with depression and having to make the household work and work and support the household.   I think he was doing what was best for his family and his depressed wife at the time by going on the show.  He also had to deal with bringing back into their home for the show. Interesting that same argument eight years ago still holds true-Tamra and her husband supporting Ryan.   Business people negotiate and to him keeping his children's in a good light was paramount to him.  Simon and Jeana were friends and Jeana thought the show would be good for his career and Tamra's.  Tamra decided to declare some kind a selling competition between she and Jeana (Tamra sold nothing) and then she and Vicki really screwed Jeana during contract negotiations.   Seems Tamra got the big raise and kicked Simon to the curb.  Tamra has always been incredibly vicious and calculating. 

 

What I don't like about Tamra is the show is her only source of income.  So there are no boundaries as to what she will say or do because the entire family's lifestyle goes down the drain if she loses her orange.  She has already said the gym is losing money, Ryan needs to be supported, she is now having to pay child support to Simon for starting the court battle to get her child on the show.  Simon has to pay money to keep his kids off TV, he is going to ask Tamra for child support.  The rest of the ladies the show is a secondary source of income, although with Vicki I think the show's income exceeds her other job.  If Vicki were to be cut off I think there would be a big adjustment to her way of living.  Tamra will forever throw Vicki in front of the train if it is that or lose her orange.