Who, What, When, Where?!: Miscellaneous Celebrity News 2.0

[Annber03]

5 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I still have Curtis Mayfield's Super Fly album.  I loved Freddie's Dead.  

I've heard Fishbone's cover of that song. They do a great version of it. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

Stunned.

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[Lady Whistleup]

43 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Jeez, I just read that the LAFD captain on scene said the house she crashed into has been red tagged (which means it's unsafe to occupy) because of the fire.  I haven't heard anything about the residents, so they may not have been home when this happened; I hope they didn't have any pets who were injured or ran away.

It's sad that Heche was severely injured.  She has a long history of substance abuse, attempting to escape the trauma of being sexually abused by her father, and my heart goes out to her.  I just also hope she didn't hurt anyone else when she plowed into the house (after speeding away from where she'd plowed into a nearby garage).  There's a paparazzi photo of her in the car before the crashes (with what some are speculating is a liquor bottle in the cup holder), so I wonder if she was trying to evade them.

Her father also died of AIDS and her mother became a gay conversion "therapist." She had a brother who killed himself. Shes had a very messed up life. Hope everyone is okay.

[SuprSuprElevated]

Re:  Anne Heche

At first I thought it looked like a Crown Royal bottle, but it appears they don't have red lids, so idk, could be anything I guess.

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Tried to post the photo, but my pc is all f*cked up and the photo files are corrupted or something. 

This TMZ link also shows a video of the burning house, and hells yes, I'll say it's been red tagged.

Edited August 6, 2022 by SuprSuprElevated

[Spartan Girl]

14 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Stunned.

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Lasted about as long as I expected.

But JFC poor Anne Heche.

[Crashcourse]

28 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I've heard Fishbone's cover of that song. They do a great version of it. 

I just listened to Fishbone.  It's interesting, but I get my funk on better with the original Curtis Mayfield version. 

19 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Stunned.

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Awww....I was rooting for those crazy kids.

[Bastet]

22 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

This TMZ link also shows a video of the burning house, and hells yes, I'll say it's been red tagged.

Yeah, I just saw footage on the local news, along with footage of her speeding down the side street towards that house -- if she was still going that fast or close to that fast when she crashed, she's lucky to be alive.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

Jeez, I just read that the LAFD captain on scene said the house she crashed into has been red tagged (which means it's unsafe to occupy) because of the fire.  I haven't heard anything about the residents, so they may not have been home when this happened; I hope they didn't have any pets who were injured or ran away.

The local news is reporting the homeowner was in the backyard at the time and wasn’t injured. 

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

It's sad that Heche was severely injured.  She has a long history of substance abuse, attempting to escape the trauma of being sexually abused by her father, and my heart goes out to her.  I just also hope she didn't hurt anyone else when she plowed into the house (after speeding away from where she'd plowed into a nearby garage).  There's a paparazzi photo of her in the car before the crashes (with what some are speculating is a liquor bottle in the cup holder), so I wonder if she was trying to evade them.

There’s video of the car just before it crashed and there is no one behind her. I don’t think that the photo was taken by paparazzi. Apparently she crashed into a garage at an apartment complex and people there were trying to get her to stop before she drove away. It looks like the photo came from them filming.  It doesn’t appear the paparazzi was involved.

36 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

At first I thought it looked like a Crown Royal bottle, but it appears they don't have red lids, so idk, could be anything I guess.

It could be Smirnoff. 

[Zella]

54 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Lasted about as long as I expected.

It honestly lasted way longer than I expected. 

As for Heche, I always felt sorry for her. She has had a rough life. I'd wondered if alcohol or substances were involved, and I'm sorry to see that seemingly being confirmed. 

[Cinnabon]

Could be substance abuse, but could also be a stroke or seizure or some other condition. (Anne Heche)

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I've heard Fishbone's cover of that song. They do a great version of it. 

Yes! They are also brilliant.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Could be substance abuse, but could also be a stroke or seizure or some other condition. (Anne Heche)

True but she's had a long history of addiction that she's been open about, and from what I've seen described, I think it is more likely she was driving under the influence than anything else. 

[merylinkid]

I feel bad for the people's house Anne Heche crashed in to.   their house is gone.   Doesn't appear they were famous or anything but now they are caught up in this mess.

[Enero]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

True but she's had a long history of addiction that she's been open about, and from what I've seen described, I think it is more likely she was driving under the influence than anything else. 

I know we don’t yet know why she was speeding down the road. But after seeing the video it looked as if she was very much in control of the vehicle. Moreover, it was said that she ran off the and hit a garage then left the scene of that accident and proceeded down the road to crash into the house. If this is truly what happened, I too am guessing it wasn’t a medical emergency and that she was either under the influence or trying to hurt herself. 

It’s unfortunate that family lost their home. Hopefully they have good home owner’s insurance and can rebuild as well as replace the items that can be. However, they are alive and uninjured which is great.  Thank goodness the homeowner was in the backyard and away from the crash when it happened. 

[Blergh]

30 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I feel bad for the people's house Anne Heche crashed in to.   their house is gone.   Doesn't appear they were famous or anything but now they are caught up in this mess.

Same here but  I feel even more sorry for her two young sons who, regardless of whatever choices Miss Heche may have made or what she may have done, are now having to deal with their mother currently in very serious condition who may need a great deal of hospitalization and PT to be able to function again (to say nothing of possibly being becoming seriously scarred which could effect her livelihood and their security). I hope they have some loved ones (be it their fathers, other relatives or close family friends,etc.) truly looking out for them during this long haul!

[Zella]

41 minutes ago, Enero said:

I know we don’t yet know why she was speeding down the road. But after seeing the video it looked as if she was very much in control of the vehicle. Moreover, it was said that she ran off the and hit a garage then left the scene of that accident and proceeded down the road to crash into the house. If this is truly what happened, I too am guessing it wasn’t a medical emergency and that she was either under the influence or trying to hurt herself. 

It’s unfortunate that family lost their home. Hopefully they have good home owner’s insurance and can rebuild as well as replace the items that can be. However, they are alive and uninjured which is great.  Thank goodness the homeowner was in the backyard and away from the crash when it happened. 

Yeah the hitting multiple buildings seemingly intentionally was what I was zeroing in on too in ruling out other factors. I didn't think of the fact she may have been trying to hurt herself, but unfortunately that very well could have happened. Just a really sad story all around. 

[Vermicious Knid]

Eh, not every relationship has to be serious. Pete and Kim had fun and there's no hard feelings between them.

James Franco has been cast as Fidel Castro in a movie, and people are up in arms because he's not Latino, and of course his past sexual harassment. The filmmakers claim it's based purely on looks:

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“To get there on such a tough look to cast, we used Fidel Castro’s ancient Galician heraldry as our focal compass, and then combed through the entire ranks of actors with Latin roots in Hollywood to find someone who has a similar facial structure. In executing a close search into our hopefuls through the eye of Spanish and Portuguese genealogy which the Galicians held, we found that James, by far, had the closest facial likeness of our Industry’s leading actors, meaning that the focus would be to build out his character accent and we’d have a stunning on-screen match to intrigue audiences and bring the story to life with true visual integrity.”

Boycotts have already been called.

[theredhead77]

I'm not comfortable with "real men want women, not girls" so I'll say "real adults want full adults, not those who just crossed an arbitrary legal threshold".

[SVNBob]

4 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Eh, not every relationship has to be serious. Pete and Kim

Yet he apparently had her kids' names tattooed on himself, along with something like "my girl is a lawyer" (before she actually got confirmed as one...) and he got branded with... something.  So it sounds like it had been more serious on his side.

[Mabinogia]

6 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

I'm not comfortable with "real men want women, not girls" so I'll say "real adults want full adults, not those who just crossed an arbitrary legal threshold".

The arbitrary threshold thing always makes me side eye a relationship. If a 40-year-old is dating a 17-year-old and today it's illegal to sleep with them, but tomorrow, sure, have at it. That's just so bizzare to me. Like, what really changed in that 24 hour period? They are still a teenager, typically living with mummy and daddy, or in a dorm with roommates, still not paying any major bills, etc (I know there are exceptions, just talking generally here).

I get there has to be a threshold, not judging that, more so judging an adult who has a relationship with someone underage, and then, after the magic birthday, they are in a sexual relationship. That just comes off as creepy to me.  It's not an age gap thing so much as a one of them is a teenager thing. Teenagers are mostly in a very different place in their lives than someone mid 20s or older. 

[theredhead77]

6 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

I get there has to be a threshold, not judging that, more so judging an adult who has a relationship with someone underage, and then, after the magic birthday, they are in a sexual relationship. That just comes off as creepy to me

It's creepy AF. Personally I think the general guidelines for an age gap is "am I old enough to be their parent?". If the answer is yes, walk away. 

[Zella]

7 hours ago, SVNBob said:

Yet he apparently had her kids' names tattooed on himself, along with something like "my girl is a lawyer" (before she actually got confirmed as one...) and he got branded with... something.  So it sounds like it had been more serious on his side.

Yes last night I was wondering what Pete was going to do with his neck tattoo of her kids' initials, which quite frankly I found creepy as fuck. 

[Cinnabon]

14 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yes last night I was wondering what Pete was going to do with his neck tattoo of her kids' initials, which quite frankly I found creepy as fuck. 

Both creepy and a cruel provocation of the kids’ unhinged, mentally ill father. Why do it and more importantly - why make it known to the public knowing it will cause Kanye to melt down? Doing something like that would trigger most parents imo. 

[Lady Whistleup]

I once saw an interview with Anne on a late night show where it was painfully evident she was both high and drunk. I feel horrible for everyone involved. And Anne's burns might unfortunately take her out of the business forever. Hollywood is very shallow that way.

[DearEvette]

43 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Both creepy and a cruel provocation of the kids’ unhinged, mentally ill father. Why do it and more importantly - why make it known to the public knowing it will cause Kanye to melt down? Doing something like that would trigger most parents imo. 

The bolded is how I felt about that entire relationship, tbh.  It felt less like  -- hey two people who liked each other and found each other at a difficult time for her. And more like a publicity lark.  He is not her typical type judging from her previous relationships, but he is famous for the women he's in relationships with and those relationships are written about breathlessly.  She likes her life to be on display 24/7.  Oh I am sure they boned, why not, but everything about them just came off as performative.

[SnapHappy]

8 hours ago, SVNBob said:

Yet he apparently had her kids' names tattooed on himself, along with something like "my girl is a lawyer" (before she actually got confirmed as one...) and he got branded with... something.  So it sounds like it had been more serious on his side.

Yeah, and since Kim K is definitely NOT a lawyer in any US state, it's just one more bit of stupidity that Pete, the walking billboard has for people to ridicule.  

Edited August 6, 2022 by SnapHappy

[Notabug]

14 hours ago, Enero said:

It’s unfortunate that family lost their home. Hopefully they have good home owner’s insurance and can rebuild as well as replace the items that can be. However, they are alive and uninjured which is great.  Thank goodness the homeowner was in the backyard and away from the crash when it happened. 

Hopefully, Ms. Heche has good insurance.  Since the cause of the fire was her negligent operation of her car, she is going to be responsible for restoring their home.   She's not the wealthiest celeb in Hollywood, but I would expect that the victims of her negligence are going to want her to make things right and will go to court if need be.

[Zella]

10 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

everything about them just came off as performative.

Yes him wearing clothing from her clothes line early in the relationship had me rolling my eyes and thinking it was mainly for PR. Though I suspect Pete misunderstood the assignment. He was her bounce-back fuck buddy for PR after her divorce. He seemed to think this made them soulmates. Ron Howard Narrator Voice: He was not. 

I consider Kanye a separate issue because he acted a like a complete fucking psycho, and he seems to think it's fine for him to date after the divorce but not for her. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Zella

[supposebly]

2 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

It's creepy AF. Personally I think the general guidelines for an age gap is "am I old enough to be their parent?". If the answer is yes, walk away. 

I agree. Although if the younger person is in their fourties or fifties, I don't mind so much. So, to me, it matters WHEN that age gap is happening.

[Crashcourse]

I never thought I'd want to defend a Kardashian, but here it is:  Kim is a divorced woman and is free to date whomever she wants.  Doesn't matter if it's a fun or serious relationship, it's her life and no one else's business except her kids.  I don't think it would've mattered who she dated because Kanye would have acted like the loon he is anyway.   

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I never thought I'd want to defend a Kardashian, but here it is:  Kim is a divorced woman and is free to date whomever she wants.  Doesn't matter if it's a fun or serious relationship, it's her life and no one else's business except her kids.  I don't think it would've mattered who she dated because Kanye would have acted like the loon he is anyway.   

I actually agree on that, which is why, though I don't like Kim, I didn't really criticize her. (Though I do think making your relationship such a public thing means you're also inviting comment.) But I think Pete getting her kids' names tattooed on his neck after they'd dated for a few months was really creepy and stomped on some boundaries. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Zella

[Mabinogia]

2 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Kim is a divorced woman and is free to date whomever she wants.  Doesn't matter if it's a fun or serious relationship, it's her life and no one else's business except her kids.

There is this really weird thing with media/fandom/fame where it seems like we (the general celeb watching public) don't seem to accept that celebs can casually date. I don't mean this as some kind of reproval, just an observation I find interesting.

Despite the tattoos I didn't think this was a serious relationship that would last so I'm not surprised it's over. I do hope, for her and the kids' sake, that it wasn't because of her asshole ex because no one deserves to continuously have their live disrupted and derailed by a violent, possessive, abusive ex. 

[Cinnabon]

18 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yes him wearing clothing from her clothes line early in the relationship had me rolling my eyes and thinking it was mainly for PR. Though I suspect Pete misunderstood the assignment. He was her bounce-back fuck buddy for PR after her divorce. He seemed to think this made them soulmates. Ron Howard Narrator Voice: He was not. 

I consider Kanye a separate issue because he acted a like a complete fucking psycho, and he seems to think it's fine for him to date after the divorce but not for her. 

It wasn’t just Kim’s dating that he took issue with, I don’t think. It was the making it hugely public. All the pictures and video of them triggered him, and what parent wouldn’t be upset that his kids’ not-yet-divorced mom is dating someone new who has tattooed the names of his kids on him very early in the relationship? IMO, knowing that Kanye was unhinged and seriously mentally ill, Kim should have kept her new relationship out of the public eye as much as possible. She did have every right to date, but she knew how Kanye would likely react and continued to provoke him. She should’ve acted like the sane adult in the situation because she knew Kanye’s illness would cause him to freak out. She had every right to date and have fun, but she had the option to be a bit more discreet about it. 🤷‍♀️It was just cruel to me. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

It wasn’t just Kim’s dating that he took issue with, I don’t think. It was the making it hugely public. All the pictures and video of them triggered him, and what parent wouldn’t be upset that his kids’ not-yet-divorced mom is dating someone new who has tattooed the names of his kids on him very early in the relationship? IMO, knowing that Kanye was unhinged and seriously mentally ill, Kim should have kept her new relationship out of the public eye as much as possible. She did have every right to date, but she knew how Kanye would likely react and continued to provoke him. She should’ve acted like the sane adult in the situation because she knew Kanye’s illness would cause him to freak out. It was just cruel to me. 

Well Kanye is not above also making his children public pawns, so I think he can sit down and shut the fuck up. She shouldn't have to walk around on eggshells for the rest of her life because of Kanye. I don't really remember her bringing her kids into it very much anyway. I was glued to Kanye's social media during his meltdowns. He was mad that someone else was banging Kim, and I actually think, for whatever her other issues, she's been a lot more respectful of him and his mental illness than he's ever been her. The neck tattoo stuff was creepy, but that is hardly what set him off. 

He was also really creepy and possessive and controlling with the Kim replacements he was openly dating at the time. I think Kanye's problem is he is an abusive control freak. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Zella

[Cinnabon]

9 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I never thought I'd want to defend a Kardashian, but here it is:  Kim is a divorced woman and is free to date whomever she wants.  Doesn't matter if it's a fun or serious relationship, it's her life and no one else's business except her kids.  I don't think it would've mattered who she dated because Kanye would have acted like the loon he is anyway.   

She wasn’t divorced when she started dating. In fact, their divorce is still not final. But I agree that she had the right to date, nevertheless. It was the public way she went about it that seemed cruel to me. I don’t like Kanye, but he is legitimately mentally ill. Of course, none of this has ever made a difference to Kim, who was already pregnant with Kanye’s child before she divorced LAST TIME, lol. Trash will be trash.

[Mabinogia]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

But I think Pete getting her kids' names tattooed on his neck after they'd dated for a few months was really creepy and stomped on some boundaries. 

Starting to think maybe her "type" is obsessively creepy men. If so, I hope she grows out of it. It's not romantic to brand yourself with someone you haven't known for long. It's a warning sign that they might be more into you than is healthy. Not always, and it could be my fear of commitment speaking, but I don't find tattoos sweet or romantic unless you have been together for a long time. Otherwise, it just feels like telling rather than showing a commitment. Like his thinking is "oh, if I get her kids names on my body she'll think I'm super serious about this and I won't have to really make an effort".

Yes, reading way too much into things is my hobby, why do you ask? lol I could be way off, maybe he did think she was the great love of his life. If so, sucks to be him now. lol

[Zella]

Just now, Mabinogia said:

Starting to think maybe her "type" is obsessively creepy men. If so, I hope she grows out of it. It's not romantic to brand yourself with someone you haven't known for long. It's a warning sign that they might be more into you than is healthy. Not always, and it could be my fear of commitment speaking, but I don't find tattoos sweet or romantic unless you have been together for a long time. Otherwise, it just feels like telling rather than showing a commitment. Like his thinking is "oh, if I get her kids names on my body she'll think I'm super serious about this and I won't have to really make an effort".

I think you're onto something! 

[Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

There is this really weird thing with media/fandom/fame where it seems like we (the general celeb watching public) don't seem to accept that celebs can casually date. I don't mean this as some kind of reproval, just an observation I find interesting.

Despite the tattoos I didn't think this was a serious relationship that would last so I'm not surprised it's over. I do hope, for her and the kids' sake, that it wasn't because of her asshole ex because no one deserves to continuously have their live disrupted and derailed by a violent, possessive, abusive ex. 

I don’t think Kanye has ever been violent with her, at least physically. Let’s all remember that despite everything Kanye did in response to Kim’s dating that she NEVER sought out a restraining order, which tells me that she knew full well that she and the kids weren’t in any real danger. There would have been a lot less “disruption” had she simply been more discreet about dating someone new. She knew how he would react and chose to keep flaunting it all over. 

[Zella]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

I don’t think Kanye has ever been violent with her, at least physically. Let’s all remember that despite everything Kanye did in response to Kim’s dating that she NEVER sought out a restraining order, which tells me that she knew full well that she and the kids weren’t in any real danger. There would have been a lot less “disruption” had she simply been more discreet about dating someone new. She knew how he would react and chose to keep flaunting it all over. 

I honestly find it extremely problematic to hand-wave away all the death threats he was dishing out under the guise he's never been physically violent that we know of. That's unacceptable, regardless of your mental health status. The onus is not on Kim to walk on eggshells to avoid offending him and to just tolerate him. The onus is on him to not freak out and act like an asshole when his ex wife starts dating someone else and refuses to get back together with him. 

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

Well Kanye is not above also making his children public pawns, so I think he can sit down and shut the fuck up. She shouldn't have to walk around on eggshells for the rest of her life because of Kanye. I don't really remember her bringing her kids into it very much anyway. I was glued to Kanye's social media during his meltdowns. He was mad that someone else was banging Kim, and I actually think, for whatever her other issues, she's been a lot more respectful of him and his mental illness than he's ever been her. The neck tattoo stuff was creepy, but that is hardly what set him off. 

He was also really creepy and possessive and controlling with the Kim replacements he was openly dating at the time. I think Kanye's problem is he is an abusive control freak. 

Oh, he’s absolutely a control freak and a narcissist, as well as being bipolar. But Kim is also a narcissist and so had to have the spotlight no matter what, as usual. Those poor kids with 2 narcissists as parents. 🥲 They have a lifetime of therapy ahead of them. Kanye did date as well, but to my knowledge he didn’t involve his kids in the new relationships. Most smart newly separated or divorced parents refrain from even introducing their kids to new partners early on, in case the relationships don’t last. 

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think you're onto something! 

That could definitely be the case, lol. But we know her pattern is to get married and divorced over and over again. That’s fine when young kids aren’t involved, but that’s changed for her.

[Zella]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

Oh, he’s absolutely a control freak and a narcissist, as well as being bipolar. But Kim is also a narcissist and so had to have the spotlight no matter what, as usual. Those poor kids with 2 narcissists as parents. 🥲 They have a lifetime of therapy ahead of them. Kanye did date as well, but to my knowledge he didn’t involve his kids in the new relationships. Most smart newly separated or divorced parents refrain from even introducing their kids to new partners early on, in case the relationships don’t last. 

But none of that means that his ex wife should tolerate his shit because he's never hit her that we know of. I find that an extremely troubling line of thought. Kim Kardashian can be a narcissistic asshole in her own right, and it doesn't make it acceptable for him to behave that way or her responsible for preventing him from acting like a psycho. He's a grown-ass man. He's responsible for his own actions and outbursts. 

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, Zella said:

I honestly find it extremely problematic to hand-wave away all the death threats he was dishing out under the guise he's never been physically violent that we know of. That's unacceptable, regardless of your mental health status. The onus is not on Kim to walk on eggshells to avoid offending him and to just tolerate him. The onus is on him to not freak out and act like an asshole when his ex wife starts dating someone else and refuses to get back together with him. 

I guess I didn’t see his “death threats” as serious. And more importantly, Kim obviously didn’t either because she never sought out a restraining order (neither did Pete) or tell the court about her concerns. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

I guess I didn’t see his “death threats” as serious. And more importantly, Kim obviously didn’t either because she never sought out a restraining order (neither did Pete) or tell the court about her concerns. 

There are many reasons people don't seek restraining orders. 

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

But none of that means that his ex wife should tolerate his shit because he's never hit her that we know of. I find that an extremely troubling line of thought. Kim Kardashian can be a narcissistic asshole in her own right, and it doesn't make it acceptable for him to behave that way or her responsible for preventing him from acting like a psycho. He's a grown-ass man. He's responsible for his own actions and outbursts. 

She was annoyed with Kanye, but I don’t think she was afraid. She knew how to make the whole situation less fraught and public, and she chose otherwise. 

[DearEvette]

15 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I never thought I'd want to defend a Kardashian, but here it is:  Kim is a divorced woman and is free to date whomever she wants.  Doesn't matter if it's a fun or serious relationship, it's her life and no one else's business except her kids.

Agreed on her having the freedom to date whomever for whatever reason.  But for me, though, the bolded is the crux of it.  I think it is healthy to just date  Not everyone has to be a serial monogamist or have these soul deep relationships.  But because of how she has chosen to monetize her existence to the point of posting everything on SM and having a tv crew follow her for ...what has it been now... over 20 years?  She has literally made her life other people's business. 

Just the fact that we know Pete put a tattoo of her kids' name on himself is now a public thing.  Who would have known this if they hadn't made a point of making it known?  The on-displayness of her life makes it hard for something to be just her business.  And this is coming from a person (me) who has never watched a minute of her tv show and makes zero proactive effort to follow anything about her or her family and yet, just by virtue of turning on my computer I know a lot about them.

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

Agreed on her having the freedom to date whomever for whatever reason.  But for me, though, the bolded is the crux of it.  I think it is healthy to just date  Not everyone has to be a serial monogamist or have these soul deep relationships.  But because of how she has chosen to monetize her existence to the point of posting everything on SM and having a tv crew follow her for ...what has it been now... over 20 years?  She has literally made her life other people's business. 

Just the fact that we know Pete put a tattoo of her kids' name on himself is now a public thing.  Who would have known this if they hadn't made a point of making it known?  The on-displayness of her life makes it hard for something to be just her business.  And this is coming from a person (me) who has never watched a minute of her tv show and makes zero proactive effort to follow anything about her or her family and yet, just by virtue of turning on my computer I know a lot about them.

Exactly this. She chose to splash everything about the relationship all over the press and SM, including the tattoos. Kim and Pete also posted pictures of themselves in bed together on SM. And pictures of Pete out with her kids without her present. Even a well adjusted person would be triggered by that, imo. Especially a jealous ex. I know that would’ve hurt me deeply if an ex did that to me. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Kel Varnsen]

32 minutes ago, supposebly said:

I agree. Although if the younger person is in their fourties or fifties, I don't mind so much. So, to me, it matters WHEN that age gap is happening.

To me it works both ways. Like if someone is a 50 year old dating a 19 year old I wonder what they are doing. But I also wonder what the 19 year old is doing since they would also under normal circumstances have the ability to choose who they date.

[Mabinogia]

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Exactly this. She chose to splash everything about the relationship all over the press and SM, including the tattoos. Kim and Pete also posted pictures of themselves in bed together on SM. And pictures of Pete out with her kids without her present. Even a well adjusted person would be triggered by that, imo. Especially a jealous ex. I know that would’ve hurt me deeply if an ex did that to me. 

I hate to say it, but it could be that she likes the "death threats" because it keeps the focus on her. This is a woman whose mother has taught her that fame and money are everything, that nothing counts if the entire world isn't talking about it, that you don't matter if you're not famous. 

I do think that she bates Kanye, but that does not excuse his making threats, and as to whether she thinks they are serious or not, I forget which school shootings they were but at least two of them, no one took the shooter seriously when he said shit like "I'm going to kill them all" or other obvious threats. It's best to take any threat seriously.

They are all such a mess. My heart breaks for those kids. It will be a miracle if they turn out well adjusted. 

[SnapHappy]

28 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

If so, I hope she grows out of it. It's not romantic to brand yourself with someone you haven't known for long. 

Yeah, after you've passed 40, "growing out" of things takes more introspection, honesty and work than I think any Kardashian is actually capable of.  

When her kids are old enough to tell her "Mom, cut out banging the toxic, obsessive creeps or you'll be lucky to see us at Christmas", maybe she'll get the picture.  She sucks at choosing men, she needs to either stop, or stop making them so public.    

[Notabug]

31 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

She wasn’t divorced when she started dating. In fact, their divorce is still not final. But I agree that she had the right to date, nevertheless. It was the public way she went about it that seemed cruel to me. I don’t like Kanye, but he is legitimately mentally ill. Of course, none of this has ever made a difference to Kim, who was already pregnant with Kanye’s child before she divorced LAST TIME, lol. Trash will be trash.

Kim got pregnant with North without a partner?  An immaculate conception?  If Kim was wrong to start dating before her divorce was final, then Kanye was wrong for dating a still-married woman.  Both are adults and both made decisions that others might perceive as wrong.

Divorces for people with huge assets are often complex and take longer than for those of us without a lot of cash.  In addition, as I recall, Kanye was the one who was trying to delay the divorce, not Kim.  So, she should remain celibate until her soon to be ex decides to stop playing games and the divorce is final?  

Also, I believe Kanye was posting on social media about his various dates since the separation well before Kim and Pete became a thing.  She didn't start it.

Also, Kanye is volatile and unpredictable, maybe Kim felt it was better to be upfront and open about a new relationship rather than trying to hide it from Kanye.  I don't think he'd have been ok if he'd found out about it when a TMZ reporter got some footage of Kim and Pete having a cozy meal in a secluded spot.  Maybe Kim thought it was better than having him grill the kids or hire a private detective to follow her or tap her phones or something.  Kanye has a ton of money and I don't think he's above using it to spy on her; she was dating a well known guy; Kanye was going to find out whether she told him or not.  Maybe she felt that going public early was her safest option.

As someone who has a seriously mentally ill family member, even after decades, it can be very difficult to know what might trigger a meltdown and it often isn't what you'd expect.  Kim is not responsible for Kanye's mental health and she will drive herself crazy if she thinks that there is some way she can behave so that he will never attack her online again.  He will, no matter how she plays it, and she's probably figured that out.

I'm not a big KK fan but I think she has generally handled Kanye's struggles with mental illness with grace and understanding.  I do think she's trying.

[Makai]

53 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I guess I didn’t see his “death threats” as serious. And more importantly, Kim obviously didn’t either because she never sought out a restraining order (neither did Pete) or tell the court about her concerns. 

That doesn’t mean a thing to me. For one restraining orders are just piece of paper that do very little to actually protect anyone. Sometimes it is just waving a red flag in front of a raging bull. 

More than that people minimize abuse all the time. Magical thinking that they would do this but never that. “Sure they yell but would never hit me.” “Sure they push me but it was an accident.” “They hit me but would never hurt the kids.” In abusive relationships those barriers usually erode slowly. 

I don’t think you can apply logic to the illogical or find reason in the unreasonable.