Getting to Genoa You All Over Again: Y&R Daily Chat

[Aurora2]

2 hours ago, MollyB said:

And then she laid it on the nurses for that insensitive 'gift' that is obviously meant for happy parents of a live baby.  Maybe she has some underlying anger after her breakup with Side Part and is taking it out on her patients. 

 

Actually, my reading indicates that the treatment of stillbirths has changed considerably in recent years with one source indicating that "hospitals today usually offer mementos such as photographs, locks of hair, and footprints." 
For parents of a stillborn child, there is a lot of grieving .  My understanding is that acknowledging the lost child with these physical memories is meant to validate and respect this loss and to offer support in the grieving process.   Does anyone have experience with this or more complete information???  
 

As for the completely out-of-character suggestion that Elena is taking anger out on the parents:  PLEASE, let's not go there with character assassination for someone who was caught in having to carry the load of plot points the writers wanted to deliver in these scenes!!!  

Edited June 21, 2023 by Aurora2

[Desperado]

2 hours ago, Aurora2 said:

Actually, my reading indicates that the treatment of stillbirths has changed considerably in recent years with one source indicating that "hospitals today usually offer mementos such as photographs, locks of hair, and footprints." 
For parents of a stillborn child, there is a lot of grieving .  My understanding is that acknowledging the lost child with these physical memories is meant to validate and respect this loss and to offer support in the grieving process.   Does anyone have experience with this or more complete information???  

Yes, parents are now allowed to see and hold the lost child and pictures can be taken. Language has also been modernized to avoid blame which is why I cringed when Nikki said “Sally lost the baby” as if the tragedy was all her fault. 

Why didn’t Nick let Victoria go to voice mail? Plot point, I know. She’s moving into sociopath territory now.

I like that Adam went to Sharon. She’s the only character who can offer him some solace until Sally stops scapegoating him. 

Oh Adam, I’m trying to defend you, but it’s all about your pain in constantly visiting Sally.

[One Tough Cookie]

Was Sally awake when Adam told her why he made the choice he did?  It seemed like she was drowsy but awake and was deliberating ignoring him.

eta:  It was really silly to have Sally's hand bandaged as if it were connected to an IV.

Baby steps show.  Baby steps.

Edited June 21, 2023 by One Tough Cookie

[tanyak]

3 hours ago, Aurora2 said:

Actually, my reading indicates that the treatment of stillbirths has changed considerably in recent years with one source indicating that "hospitals today usually offer mementos such as photographs, locks of hair, and footprints." 

Yes, I don't have personal experience but I have the same understanding. I think the items are likely presented in a more caring and thoughtful way, though. I also think it's odd that they would have two sets to give to the parents, but dramatic license and all. 

[Waldo13]

I’m glad Sharon finally changed her clothes. I also found it quite odd that Faith is wearing a nautical symbol on her necklace. 

Can someone please explain to Sally that Adam couldn’t really choose Ava Hope over her.  If she died, Ava Hope would have died also. They monkeys with a keyboard just have to keep driving home the point that Adam is a bastard for killing Ava Hope.  Banana Breath tried to explain Adam’s decision by his own life or death situation with having to choose between Faith and Sharon but of course the monkeys with a keyboard wouldn’t allow Sally to comprehend that is was exactly the same life or death situation.  Sally asked Banana Breath if he would choose Faith over Sharon but Sally answered that question for him. Then Sally asked Banana Breath who would he have chosen between her and Ava Hope but of course the monkeys with a keyboard didn’t have him answer.  The monkeys with a keyboard would not allow Banana Breath to say to Sally that he would have saved her also. Now, after Sally looses Ava Hope, to move in with him. That schmuck of all schmucks could have asked Sally to move in while she was pregnant to take better care of her. 

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Nikki Co CEO?  Shouldn’t Nikki have the power to block Cruella’s decision about Banana Breath?  If Cruella is taking it under advisement it seems that Nikki Co CEO is just a title. Smugly Smug Smug you are now on Nikki’s radar. Be afraid be very afraid.  Cruella apologized to Smugly Smug Smug, for Nikki’s behavior is totally a 💩 ass move. By the way Nikki is looking more and more svelte these days. 

Faith has put her limited time in and it’s now back to oblivion. You noticed that Faith didn’t mention Moses when she was talking about going back to Ann Harbor. 

There was a hell of a lot more chemistry when Adam was talking to Sally as she was faking being asleep than Cruella and Smugly Smug Smug could have awake. Yes they seemed to be awake but it was more like sleepwalking through their interactions.  

Cruella has some set of balls to tell not ask Banana Breath to step down.  If she was wearing a pants suit, she could be playing pocket pool. 

 

[Aurora2]

6 minutes ago, tanyak said:

Yes, I don't have personal experience but I have the same understanding. I think the items are likely presented in a more caring and thoughtful way, though. I also think it's odd that they would have two sets to give to the parents, but dramatic license and all. 

The medical part was not only badly written, but very rushed.  So the pacing, while annoying, doesn't surprise me. 
I also wondered if some lines were cut after listening to one of the actresses talk this week about some lines being cut in the final edit in another story.  We'll never know. 

[pvandal]

Oh Victoria, you know no one can mess with other Newman lives/jobs except Victor. When he hears you moved out an actual Newman for your paramour? Guess who's job will be gone next? Victor only lets you think you're CEO. He will be in charge until he dies which will be sometime in the next millennium.

Edited June 21, 2023 by pvandal

[MsMalin]

I wonder if Sally knows how poorly Nick treated Sharon when Cassie died. She is absolutely raking Adam over the coals and acting like Nick is this great guy. Makes me see red.

[Stpauliegirl]

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

Can someone please explain to Sally that Adam couldn’t really choose Ava Hope over her.  If she died, Ava Hope would have died also.

 

Exactly. If Ava Hope was viable, they could have saved them both. It is irrational for Sally to blame him. She’s the one who flouted doctors orders to rest, and insisted on going out to dinner. I doubt that was the only thing that triggered her illness, it might have been a contributing factor.

[NinjaPenguins]

So, Nick, the human stool sample, sees that Sally has just experienced a shattering loss and decides that now would be a great time to spring a major life decision on her. I guess she won’t see Christian that much, unless she needs her car’s windshield squeegeed. Nick’s brother has also experienced a terrible loss, so naturally it’s the ideal moment to really sink his hooks into the woman Adam loves. Why this show keeps doubling down on such a wretched couple or pretending the sun shines out of Nick’s hairy ass, I will never know.

[luv2lurk]

With regard to the sets, I think I read somewhere that the lot where Y&R is filmed is undergoing a massive construction update which limits the space available for sets. Which begs the question - where exactly will Sally move in with Nick? We haven't seen his house in years.

Also, shouldn't the show be out of scripts - I think it has been more than 6 weeks since the writer's strike started.

I for one, would love a summer of Classic Y&R re-runs.

[Js Nana]

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

Can someone please explain to Sally that Adam couldn’t really choose Ava Hope over her.  If she died, Ava Hope would have died also.

1. Since not one member of Sally's family was present, the choice to perform a surgical intervention would have been based on the best decision of hospital staff, not the baby's father or the mother's boyfriend, if Nick had been there.

2. What I really find annoying about this storyline is that it makes it sound like when a child is delivered under these circumstances, the surgical staff just drop it in a shoe box and shove it under the operating table, when, in fact, a staff of neonatal specialist would have been present to take the child on delivery and do their best to resuscitate it, and it is the head of the neonatal staff who would have taken the necessary time to explain to the parents that, despite the staff's best efforts, the child died, not Elena Dawson, MD - - if the show's budget can't carry hiring actors with lines to speak to play these one-time characters, then amend the story line so that the principal actors talk about this having happened.

[CountryGirl]

22 hours ago, boes said:

There were all those things.  It seems like not all that long ago, we saw a waiting room though I don't remember who was hospitalized or why - maybe Hilary??

I think it was when Sage died that Nick collapsed, falling into the nurses station and onto the floor.  He hit it so hard that the whole nursing station started rolling away.  It was pretty funny.

I thought it was when Christian “died” and Nick saw the death certificate atop a stack of papers at the nurses stations. But yes the set rolling away due to JM’s “I’m gonna emote, dammit!” will never not be one of the unintentional comedy gold moments of all time. I really need to find it on YT. 

Elsewhere, WTF am I still watching this dreckitude? First, the poor kitty is killed by stunt plot, we, Cameron. Then baby Ava. And Sally blaming Adam for choosing her over their baby when it was a complete Sophie’s choice. Elena is an idiot extraordinaire for telling Sally he chose her and as much I enjoyed her telling off Mop and Sidepart, I can’t muster up much sympathy. Lose ‘em how you got ‘em and all that. 

Mop is too Natedictimized to realize he has far bigger fish to fry than her undercarriage. Drinki and Nick see it but I cannot bring myself to care as I despise them all. 

Poor Adam. He deserves so much better. I know Sally is grieving and hormonal on top of that but wow, she is so cold-hearted. Easy for Nick to say he would have chosen Faith over Sharon after the fact, when the crisis is over. And he’s not in love with Sharon. Caring for her as the mother of two of his children is a universe apart from the depth of feeling Adam has for Sally. And she for him, though she won’t admit it. 

How long before Sharon and Chance hook up? Because she enjoyed that hug just a little too much. Not that I blame her. 

[Js Nana]

8 minutes ago, luv2lurk said:

I for one, would love a summer of Classic Y&R re-runs.

I would love a Y&R retrospective that includes episodes from back in the 1970s: how did Genoa City get its start, how did the Chancellors and Abbotts get their start, who were the GC families of old, how old is Jill Foster, really, etc. - the opening sequence for the first episode of Y&R shows new guy Brad Elliot entering GC as a hitch-hiking passenger in a delivery truck, my suggestion for the show's last episode is that it show what remains after the Chancellors, Abbotts and Newmans have crashed in flames, with the closing sequence showing an amused Brad Elliot* leaving GC as a hitch-hiking passenger in a delivery truck , with some fancy editing done to intersplice the opening sequence from the first episode with the closing sequence of the last episode, showing the two trucks passing each other on the road.

* Of course, Tom Hallick, the actor who portrayed Brad Elliot from Y&R's first episode in 1973 until the character last departed GC in 1978, is the same age as Eric "Victor Newman" Braeden, so having him be the last character standing would have to mean that Y&R breathes its last no later than a couple of years from now.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Wonder if Faith has talked to Moses about what happened with Cameron?

Chance checking up on Sharon, shiny and clean and in a new shirt too. I see you, detective, making your move all sneaky like. How you doin'?

Geez, Victoria can't get Nick out of NE fast enough and now she has not one but two convenient excuses. This bish.

Lol, Nikki bringing the receipts. She knows Victoria is operating on a glaring double standard wrt Nick. Vikki was almost offended anyone thought she should take time off after the Ashland debacle resulted in her becoming an instant widow.

Poor Adam. Rebuffed by Sally in her extreme grief and next ready to start swinging on Chance. But wow, what a bad time for Sharon to have to do her coffeehouse therapist thing to calm him down.

Nate, have you met Nikki before? She was dealing with smooth-talking snakes like you when you were still playing with Tonka trucks. You may have Vikki under your spell but her mommy is another story. Loved the little eye roll Nikki gave Nate on her way out of the office.

Now Nick invites Sally to move in with him? Now, after all these months of using her hotel room as his free fcuk pad? Well, all it took was Sally losing a baby to be worthy of Nick's generosity. 🙄🙄🙄

"...get a job near campus." What? Faith doesn't need to work; she's a Newman trust fund baby. Hey Show, stop trying make it seem like Sharon and her kids are middle class. They're so not.

Ugh, please tell me Victoria and Nate weren't about to have office sex. Again.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like...Nate getting warned by Nikki to proceed carefully or he's gonna FAFO. After that fool had the nerve to namedrop Victor to her. Whee!

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Also, shouldn't the show be out of scripts - I think it has been more than 6 weeks since the writer's strike started.

Executive Producer Josh Griffith fired the existing writers before the strike started. He's now also the Head Writer. He's not participating in the writer's strike.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Joimiaroxeu

[Js Nana]

4 minutes ago, Js Nana said:

showing the two trucks passing each other on the road.

As the opening sequence of Y&Rs first episode was filmed on an actual road, they'd have to film the closing sequence of the last episode at a location that closely resembled that road.

[Desperado]

What really bothers me the most with this Adam/Sally storyline is that in 2023, no hospital doctor would ask any family member or healthcare power of attorney holder to “choose between the mother and the child”. This might’ve been done up to the 60s (maybe?) but at some point, decades ago, the life of the mother stopped being seen as expendable and it ranks that Y&R made it a prominent plot point.

[boes]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

 I guess she won’t see Christian that much, unless she needs her car’s windshield squeegeed. Nick’s brother has also experienced a terrible loss, so naturally it’s the ideal moment to really sink his hooks into the woman Adam loves. Why this show keeps doubling down on such a wretched couple or pretending the sun shines out of Nick’s hairy ass, I will never know.

Show can't have it both ways.  Either Christian uses a power wash spray nozzle on Nick's hairy ass, or the sun does NOT shine out of it.

No way a squeegee could do the job on Nick's behind any more than garlic powder could stop his father.

Show may not believe in science, but we preverts DO!!

Edited June 22, 2023 by boes

[MsMalin]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Mop is too Natedictimized to realize he has far bigger fish to fry than her undercarriage. 

😂😂😂

[SweePea59]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Ugh, please tell me Victoria and Nate weren't about to have office sex. Again.

He was "two steps ahead of" her - he closed the door when he came in. Not only do those two actors suck, but the scripts have become utterly moronic. I accidentally watched part of today's episode. I thought the tribute to John Abbott was today. If it's anything like the way the rest of the show is going now it's really going to suck and piss me the fuck off. The show has gotten so bad. The dialog is inane. The story lines are illogical. There's a meanness. Nothing going on is any good. WTF?

[Kemper]

9 minutes ago, SweePea59 said:

He was "two steps ahead of" her - he closed the door when he came in. Not only do those two actors suck, but the scripts have become utterly moronic. I accidentally watched part of today's episode. I thought the tribute to John Abbott was today. If it's anything like the way the rest of the show is going now it's really going to suck and piss me the fuck off. The show has gotten so bad. The dialog is inane. The story lines are illogical. There's a meanness. Nothing going on is any good. WTF?

I know. It is so bad that Victoria and Nate are the least offensive to my eyes and ears. The Phyllis is dead/not dead is bad; the whole Cameron storyline crossed bad and went into farce mode. But the Nick/Sally/Adam story is disgusting and an embarrassment to women - not watchable.

[Js Nana]

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

What really bothers me the most with this Adam/Sally storyline

Decades ago, the technology did not exist that would have increased the chances for survivability of an infant under stress that was delivered at 37 weeks gestation, but now, as most of us are aware, that technology does exist; it's like whoever is writing this storyline is exploiting tropes that became outdated decades ago, and doesn't realize, or doesn't care, that the viewers know that - - while the show is a work of fiction, that doesn't mean that its audience is willing to accept storylines that insult the intelligence of the viewer.

[Js Nana]

Completely off topic, but just had to mention that as I was walking back from the supermarket around 9:30PM tonight, I noticed the brightest thin crescent moon I've ever seen in the western sky and, trailing after it, Venus in all its brilliance, which was quite a treat, because this night has been the clearest night after days of overcast skies and fog in my neck of the Massachusetts woods - pleasant dreams to you all.

[WhitneyWhit]

These are interesting times we’re living in because I actually felt bad for Nick during those scenes with Victoria. There’s nothing redeeming about Victoria anymore. She’s too damn old to be acting this fucking pathetic over some dick. 
 

I want Nikki to wipe the floor with Nate. 
 

Sally the situations aren’t the same. If Sharon died Faith would have lived. If you died, Ava would have died. 

 

[luv2lurk]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Executive Producer Josh Griffith fired the existing writers before the strike started. He's now also the Head Writer. He's not participating in the writer's strike.

I know that - was just expressing Hope . . . oh forget it, they killed the baby.

Edited June 22, 2023 by luv2lurk

[NinjaPenguins]

6 hours ago, WhitneyWhit said:

These are interesting times we’re living in because I actually felt bad for Nick during those scenes with Victoria

Logically, I know Nick is getting the royal shaft at work. Victoria is giving me acute second hand embarrassment with how easily Nate is working her for Garbage Ape’s job. Side Part has never killed a stalker husband for her. It would be kind of interesting to have Nick work with Adam at McCall, if only their relationship didn’t have the stench of the Sally triangle all over it. Plus I can’t imagine Adam’s company needs a Chief Flea Picking Officer on the payroll.

The Bluetooth Saga has been strangely absent. Maybe JG is hoping we’ll all forget that Phyllis deserves to have the law come down on her like a ton of bricks. 

[Skarzero]

I feel bad that Elena is being made to look horrible for the plot, but her character is hardly facing full blown assassination, compared to Adam or even Sally. Amanda was made to look shitty for the plot (and cheater boyfriend) during the Dom custody SL & she(kinda) came out the other side of that dumb plot after being dumped on. Elena is solid enough to be fine in the long run. But with JG writing, who knows how far he'll really drag any of these characters....

Nick taking Adam's side in this is probably supposed to make me support his relationship with Sally and I still don't. And Nick still sucks as a brother & not dumping on Adam right now is like the bare minimum. No matter how JG spins this, a baby had to die to further the wedge between Sally & Adam because he lacks the writing skills to showcase their relationship disintegrating naturally and mutually. Keep proving to us that you're a piece of shit Josh. Keep it up. 

17 hours ago, MsMalin said:

I hope this puts the final nail in Adams relationship with her and he can move on to find another woman. I don't want to see him pining over her any longer.

You, and me both. As much as I hate Nick/Sally I don't hate it as someone who supports still supports Ally(though it's way better than the former). Timeline wise, she's pretty much been stuck under Banana Breath, drinking the "Adam bad!" kool-aid longer than she was with him, and now her grief is reinforcing her negative opinions of him. 

Something has to give here because Adam with all his sins, trauma & dropped mental illness doesn't need the added complication of being emotionally co-dependent on Sally. Or anyone at this stage in his life. Sally moved on and thinks Nick's grass is greener, I say let her have at it & find out the hard way(offscreen though). But Adam's desire for her looks one-sided, not in the hopeful campy way but the unhealthy for himself way. Adam had a full life before her, and he can/should have one after. As difficult as it might be now given what happened. 

[Chatty Cake]

What an absolute asshole of a sister Dicktoria has become. Faith is going back to school, Sharon is back to work, why does Nick need extended time off?  Since they are shoving that side parted smarmy dickmatist down our throats, I hope he does Victoria DIRTY. 
Why can’t we have nice things? I wanted Adam and Sally to be together by now. Instead her attitude toward Adam is worse than ever and she seems intent on being with Nick.

[jqdeco]

14 hours ago, Stpauliegirl said:

Exactly. If Ava Hope was viable, they could have saved them both. It is irrational for Sally to blame him. She’s the one who flouted doctors orders to rest, and insisted on going out to dinner. I doubt that was the only thing that triggered her illness, it might have been a contributing factor.

Part of the grieving process is anger. It’s pretty typical to blame someone when there is a death and to be really really angry. Hopefully Sally moves past this stage quickly.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Keep proving to us that you're a piece of shit Josh. Keep it up.

Don't worry, he will. 110% guaranteed.

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Since they are shoving that side parted smarmy dickmatist down our throats, I hope he does Victoria DIRTY.

Yep. I hope Victoria is utterly destroyed when she realizes how easily Nate played her. Nate's not even a billionaire "Loch Ness monster," he's just some guy who's apparently good at tossing her bony a$$ around in bed. But then I want Victoria to rise from the ashes and vaporize Nate. He's overdue for a takedown IMO.

[lilmarysunshine]

34 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Don't worry, he will. 110% guaranteed.

Yep. I hope Victoria is utterly destroyed when she realizes how easily Nate played her. Nate's not even a billionaire "Loch Ness monster," he's just some guy who's apparently good at tossing her bony a$$ around in bed. But then I want Victoria to rise from the ashes and vaporize Nate. He's overdue for a takedown IMO.

Nope. No rising from the ashes, as far as I am concerned. Let someone else emerge for Nate’s comeuppance. 

I think a great story would be the financial ruin of any Newman so let it be Victoria but all of them would be effin awesome. Not this BS with Nick that had him “quit” with his settlement billions so it meant he could start that housing project or whatever and still live a life of luxury. I would LOVE to see any of them work a 9 to 5 and struggle to make a car note or buy food. What would Victoria do for a living if she could not be a “mogul?”

[Kemper]

If Newman goes down due to Nate..my wish is that Adam brings it back. I want Victoria to be an outcast to her family….her parents (yes, even her mother) read her for the filth she is…both in her business and romantic lives. Actually, maybe I want Nate to toss her out and keep the company. Adam doesn’t want or need it.

Shallow note. The actress playing Victoria is excellent as a ruthless mogul. The mistake show makes is trying to push her as a passionate romantic lead - other than with  Billy Miller. 

[Chatty Cake]

7 minutes ago, Kemper said:

If Newman goes down due to Nate..my wish is that Adam brings it back. I want Victoria to be an outcast to her family….her parents (yes, even her mother) read her for the filth she is…both in her business and romantic lives. Actually, maybe I want Nate to toss her out and keep the company. Adam doesn’t want or need it.

Shallow note. The actress playing Victoria is excellent as a ruthless mogul. The mistake show makes is trying to push her as a passionate romantic lead - other than with  Billy Miller. 

I am hoping Adam hires Nick and they team up against Victoria and her stud muffin.

I’m also hoping that Audra and Nate fall in the sack in the executive bang suite and Vicky walks in on them. 

[lilmarysunshine]

1 hour ago, Kemper said:

 

Shallow note. The actress playing Victoria is excellent as a ruthless mogul. The mistake show makes is trying to push her as a passionate romantic lead - other than with  Billy Miller. 

I think she comes across as a brunette Barbie trying to act all mogul-y. 

[MollyB]

18 hours ago, tanyak said:

I think the items are likely presented in a more caring and thoughtful way,

This is the problem I had.  I've done volunteer work in hospitals making up Baby Packets.  They are not made up with each birth, they live on a shelf to be given to new parents of a live baby.  The photo or footprints, the name card on the bassinet are then added to that packet of a lot of goodies, such as coupons for baby items, toys, and advertising.  Since Elena took time to talk to Sally and Adam, why didn't she talk to them together and give them the footprints then?  (Along with a little grieving advice and assurance that everything that could be done was.)  For me, the booties and hat in a little pink box just emphasized their loss. 

 

3 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Faith is going back to school, Sharon is back to work, why does Nick need extended time off?

And it wasn't his baby that died, either.  I do hope this means he joins up with Adam.  They could terrorize NE with McCall and Victor would probably be on board since he bought McCall.  I almost feel sorry for NateyNateNate.

[TVForever]

Here's one for the Unpopular Opinion file:

The silver lining out of this crapfest that is the Adam/Sally/Nick storyline is the seeming reemergence of Nick and Adam as brothers/friends. I've always felt that Adam's story works better when he has at least one Newman who isn't sneering about him all the time. It was nice to hear Nick defend Adam to Sally when she was determined to blame everything on him. I hope that continues.

Okay, that said:

Has Ashley always been this awful? I swear, it's as though the actress has been directed to channel as much Real Housewives energy as she can. High School Mean Girl does not play so well on a 50-something. Good grief, she's making Billy sound like the voice of reason, and that's saying a lot.

 

[Js Nana]

5 hours ago, Skarzero said:

Sally moved on and thinks Nick's grass is greener

because the manure he produces smells like roses to her.

[Chatty Cake]

How nice it was to see John Abbott again! Maybe now they can all get along for a week or two.

[One Tough Cookie]

20 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

thought it was when Christian “died” and Nick saw the death certificate atop a stack of papers at the nurses stations

Probably not a problem anyway, I'm sure his reading apprehension in minimal.

eta: AT LAST--a Tracy  sighting.  And she wasn't used as a prop!

Edited June 22, 2023 by One Tough Cookie

[NinjaPenguins]

Traci: OMFG, I get to talk.

Zelda: I’ve been your agent for a zillion years.

Traci: I could use a break from Genoa City.

Zelda: I couldn’t help but notice the asshole population density is through the roof.

Traci: And that’s just the Abbott family.

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Summer: Kyle! ‘Sup homeslice?

Kyle: Oh shit, I’ve been made. I’m going to work. I’m in a hurry.

Summer: Have you heard the hamster story? I don’t quite understand the plot twist with the graham cracker but -

Kyle: Heard it while tucking Harrison in.

Summer: Breakfast?

Kyle: Haven’t been hungry since I ate that shit sandwich at our wedding.

Summer: Let’s talk about us. Especially about me and my feelings.

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Ashley: Hey, Buttbiscuit. I’m continuing my relentless campaign against Diane.

Billy: I’m continuing to freeball while I work. Nothing like luxurious fabric jostling your nuggets during an epic spreadsheet session.

Ashley: We must preemptively destroy Diane before she destroys Jabot.

Billy: Hold up. I need to get my hip waders on.

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Jack: This press release about giving Diane a cushy job is such a solid idea. My penis has never led me astray.

Emily: We should schedule a photo session with Diane. I feel this town could use the lesson in classy dressing.

Jack: Agreed. It pains me to see men walking about in lumberjack shirts.

Emily: Shall we mention your upcoming wedding?

Jack: Well, people aren’t going to catch on to the nepotism on their own.

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Traci: Ashley is planning a coup in plain sight. She thinks Diane is playing Jack for a fool. Jack thinks Tucker is playing Ashley for a fool. I don’t feel comfortable telling Jack I want Tucker to stick around because he makes me a divine cappuccino every day.

Zelda: And you haven’t written a bestseller about these loons because…?

Traci: The house is full of tension. I just want to run to New York, find a smart, sexy guy and get my popcorn popped, you know?

Zelda: Why don’t you?

Traci: It’s my lot in life to be a jackass wrangler. One day, I might be as talented as my father at it.

Traci fondly remembers John Abbott and his healthy and functional relationship with his family. Can you imagine Victor having a scene like this with Victoria? Neither can I.

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Kyle: What is there to talk about? You’re an asshole. A lying asshole.

Summer: Your pompadour is stoopid.

Kyle: Excuse you?

Summer: Uh, I said your mom forgave me, so, you know, doesn’t that mean you have to? I think that’s how it works.

Kyle: Are you on crack?

Summer: Like, I’m sorry. I apologize. I admit that I lied for goo- for reasons that don’t cut it.

Kyle: This isn’t talking. This is you trying to convince me that you’re not the asshole I’ve realized you are. You spent weeks sleeping in another room, listening to me beg to console you. You needed time. Well the hole is in the other ass now. I need time and space to process how much of your mother’s bullshit I’m willing to tolerate coming out of your pout spout.

Summer: I’m implementing a new quirk called the “bobblehead.” It reveals my internal struggle to not say the dumbest, most selfish thing possible.

Kyle: Ta ta, turdbasket.

Diane: I didn’t want or mean to eavesdrop, but, um, I guess I’m sorry your idiocy about me caused all these issues.

Summer: Apology accepted. To make amends, you should help me get Kyle back in line.

Diane: Well. I could use the lulz.

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Billy: Ashley, the thing is, Diane is not a supervillain. She’s not the Joker, and you’re not Batman. Tucker is not Robin. I am, however, the butler because that gives me access to the Batcave.

Ashley: Do you have any concept of reality?

Billy: Eh. You’ve got to stop obsessing over shit that hasn’t happened yet.

Ashley: Do not.

Billy: I’m Team Jack. We’ve even got matching varsity jackets. You come for Jack, I’ll snort you like I’m an aardvark with its nose stuck in an anthill. Your team is your stolen sperm baby and…. uh… well, it’s very impressive.

Ashley: Ohhhh look at Big Boy Bidness Baby sitting in his high chair, sucking his thumb with his shiny apple cheeks, all beholden to his bro.

Billy: Yo, I’m a five star fuck up and you’re making my skin crawl with embarrassment. Be better, Ash.

Ashley: You are underselling how dangerous Diane is. It’s probably because you’re a stupid prick who doesn’t know shit about shit.

Billy: Is this Tucker filling your head with anti-Diane propaganda? He’s just goading you into this power play.

Ashley: Sexist pig. I can come up with bad ideas on my own, thanks. I will make sure Diane never harms this company.

Billy: Tucker has wanted this company ever since he came back to Genoa City. He tried to get Diane to feed him info, but she said no. 

Ashley: Whatever, asslicker. Diane lover. Touch hole. Shitdip.

Billy: Enough! You’re making me look mature. And if you think I’m going to let Tucker steamroll his way into Jack’s CEO position, you’re even crazier than I thought.

Jack: Well, it’s nice to hear someone defend me.

Ashley: The boy’s club is closing ranks on me. Pardon my silly little lady brain for daring to form opinions.

Billy: This whole shitshow is swimming in misogyny, but this is strictly about you acting like a huge butt.

Ashley: What the hell do you know? Mr. Passed Out Drunk in the Snow at 16. Ha ha. I’m not deliriously petty.

Jack: WTF?

Ashley: You lost the company yacht, which no one told you to buy. Wasn’t that when you were eating strawberries off your sister in law’s tits?

Jack: Don’t talk to him like that. We have an agreement where I get to pull his thong over his eyebrows whenever the mood strikes as penance for his Phyllis sins.

Billy: Uh-oh. Traci has called a family meeting. She better let me get some cliches in edgewise.

Ashley: I have also been summoned. This would be a great chance to recruit more soldiers for my coup.

Jack: When we get there, everyone pretend we don’t know what it’s about. Traci loves that.

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Traci: I must awkwardly and senselessly insert my agent into this family gathering.

Billy: Remember when I visited you in New York and we ate at that little Armenian place? God, I’m so sophisticated.

Zelda: It was very avant garde of you to order the tater tots with ranch dip.

Billy: Hey, to be fair, I was only 25.

Zelda: I shall take my leave now. I don’t even know why I’m here, to be honest.

Ashley: Alright, so everyone who wants to replace Jack with a hand puppet, put your hands in the air and wave ‘em like you just don’t care.

Jack: Eat a bowl of bison nuts.

Traci: Stop it! Whatever happened to kindness, you rotten fuckers? Sorry. Diane, Summer, could you leave us alone to hash this out?

Jack: Diane is about to become my wife and Summer is, well, Summer is our asshole-in-law.

Ashley: I should invite Tucker.

Traci: What would our dad say if he could see us at each other’s throats? He was a fair man who believed in redemption and second chances.

Ashley: You keep his name out of your damn mouth in Diane’s presence. She is not worthy to be in the same room as his children.

Diane: I won’t ask anyone to choose sides, but Jack’s team has cool jackets.

Billy: Dad always said to me, Billy, could you stop being such a dumb bunny? I think there’s a lot to be learned from that.

Ashley: Dad always did have the best advice. He never stopped telling me that beauty was only skin deep.

Jack: Yeah, he really knew just the right thing to say in every situation. He was always reminding me that I didn’t need to marry anything with a pulse.

Ashley: I’m sorry. Dad would probably tell me to let it go, but he’d never crossed paths with a demon like Diane. And he never respected the sheer joy I got from pooping on Jack.

Diane: Yeah, I’ll step out now. This might need to become an intervention for Ashley.

Summer: I’m following my new bestie!

Jack: I… I suppose I could stop pretending to push up my non-existent glasses with my middle finger when Ashley walks by.

Ashley: I put a dead fish behind your hubcap, Jack. I wanted you to believe Diane was a serial killer and hid the decomposing bodies of her victims in your car.

Traci: I feel so optimistic now. I can fix your issue too, Kyle.

Kyle: Did you just hear Aunt Ashley? Her crazy isn’t fixed.

Traci: We all want to know how you’re feeling. Also, I’m going to tell you that you must absolutely forgive Summer. Do you want to be consumed by bitterness like Ashley?

Kyle: I love that you have such an open heart, Aunt Traci, but it doesn’t mean you have to open your mind and let your brain fall out. I don’t know that Summer would have told me anything if I hadn’t caught her with Phyllis.

Jack: Sure she would have. Summer’s as honest as they come.

Kyle: I gotta go.

Billy: Me too. I’m not one of Dina’s kids and no one is clamoring for my woo woo self help bullshit, so fuck all y’all.

Traci: I need to chitchat more with my agent. You two talk it out and share warm memories of our dad.

Ghost of John Abbott: Don’t waste time with your agent, sweetheart. Go claw my granddaughter’s heart out of Victor Newman’s chest. My beauty, Tucker is a huge step up from that old bag of piss and vinegar, even if he is shady as hell. Jackie, stay away from Phyllis. Billy, I’m sorry about the recessive nostrils gene that has long shamed the Abbott family. Your great-great-great grandfather made his fortune being held by his two legs with his nose hovering inches above the ground. They called him the Human Vacuum. We could have patented the idea, but he might have been burned as a witch. Kyle, get a haircut.

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by NinjaPenguins

[Js Nana]

1. OMG, there were actually two extra characters on today's episode, Jack's secretary, Emily, and Traci's agent, Zelda, and they both had more than one line of dialogue.

2. You wanna know who's gonna give a fart about that big, fat, puff-piece news release Jack wants to put out about Diane taking over as the new Head of Talent Acquisition at Jabot when the current occupant of that position, who gets nothing more than an honorable mention, retires - no one.

[Js Nana]

Two characters who deserve to, figuratively speaking, get a big fat slap across the face:

1. Victoria Newman, because somewhere along the line she somehow got it into her little bird brain that she's CEO material.

2. Sally Spectra, because she's behaving like a selfish ass to Adam over their child's stillbirth.

[Waldo13]

Ashley Ashley Ashley still harping on Diane being a threat to Jabot but Ashley ignores the real more consequential threat is Tucker.  

Jack and Ashley let me ask you why, if Jabot is a family run business, there are non family members on the board. Didn’t Ashley say that when she marries Tucker he would be family therefore he can get a seat on the board?  

If Summer❄️x7 is the head of a large fashion house, then why is she wearing fall colors unless it’s not summer in GC.  There was a throw away line spoken by Summer❄️x7 about Diane making amends for setting Taz🌪️’s troubles in motion. In my book, Taz🌪️ is 100% responsible for bringing the current situation to bear.  

Ashley was hitting Nostrils below the belt with bringing up his shortcomings. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t didn’t Ashley have a long list of shortcomings also?  

I kind of figured, with Traci involved, it will be a filler episode but I had no idea it would be a tribute to John Abbott.  Can someone please tell me if John was as saintly as he was portrayed today?  

For the next 6 episodes, I’m going to be on vacation so I’m sure, by reading your posts, I will be kept up to speed on the developments in GC. 

 

[babyhouseman]

16 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Can someone please tell me if John was as saintly as he was portrayed today?  

Maybe not saintly. But he was never a villain. He killed Tom Fisher, but Tom Fisher was awful. He punched Victor, but that's a good deed. 

Billy could come up with some low blows to Ashley. Look under V for Victor. Ashley taking him from Nikki. Ashley aborting his baby then ends up in the insane asylum. Ashley stealing Victor's sperm.

[MsMalin]

3 hours ago, TVForever said:

Has Ashley always been this awful? I swear, it's as though the actress has been directed to channel as much Real Housewives energy as she can. High School Mean Girl does not play so well on a 50-something. Good grief, she's making Billy sound like the voice of reason, and that's saying a lot.

And today when she excoriated Billy: holy crap, how cruel {even tho she said what we say here about Billy all the time, lol}

[One Tough Cookie]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Well the hole is in the other ass now.

Oh, I ABSOLUTELY have to work this into a conversation!  Well done!!!

[MsMalin]

Sorry if everyone already knows this but "Zelda" is Kym Douglas, Jerry Douglas' widow and boy has she been spending her inheritance on plastic surgery. She is 64 and was younger than him . He would be 91 now if still alive. He died in 2021.

Edited June 22, 2023 by MsMalin

[Desperado]

The beginning of the tribute episode wasn’t great, but it got better. The Sole Writer is making Victoria and Ashley unbearable and mean in a way I’ve never seen them before. Not sure if it’s to create sympathy for Nick and Billy or just to make the show more “gritty”, but I’m not a fan of that work.

 

39 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Can someone please tell me if John was as saintly as he was portrayed today?  

He was the nicest very rich man I’ve ever seen and he clearly loved his family and supported his kids even when they did horrible things.

His portrayer was also well liked and he was done a nasty when they fired him. The flashbacks made me tear up, especially the ones as Tracy looks at a picture on her phone and with Jack and Ashley talking with no sound and supposedly making up. Won’t happen and shouldn’t happen until she turns a new less vindictive leaf, but it made for a nice moment.

[lilmarysunshine]

Hmmmm…. I think I would be down for Sally to exit stage left. I think a genuine relationship between Nick and Adam is more interesting than this next level pissing contest between the two of them. I know it is a soap and the pickins are slim but stop sharing women and team up against the rest of them in a real way. Sally 100% gets in the way of that.

11 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

Sorry if everyone already knows this but "Zelda" is Kym Douglas, Jerry Douglas' widow and boy has she been spending her inheritance on plastic surgery. She is 64 and was younger than him . He would be 91 now if still alive. He died in 2021.

I thought that, too, about the plastic surgery! Whoa. I had no idea who she was. 

[Js Nana]

Some musings on possible future storylines for the Abbotts and the Newmans:

Now that Kyle thinks that Summer is a big, fat dummy and he doesn't wanna play with her anymore, could this be the time for the return of Lola Rosales, wife #2 - Summer was wife #1 and is now wife #3 - and maybe Lola could become "Lola, Wife II and IV of Kyle;" the new Flash movie is in release, so maybe Sasha Calle would be interested in reprising the role - - or maybe Tara Locke could get an early release from prison and want to reunite with Harrison and, one-thing-leading-to-another, she could become "Tara, Wife IV of Kyle," and she'll bring rich-person's pressure to bear to have the investigation into Ashland's death re-opened, which will result in Chance revealing that the selfish bitch he was married to at the time, Abby Newman, coerced him into covering up for the Newmans during the first investigation into Locke's death by brow beating him about how he, by virtue of marriage, was a Newman too and family was all that counted.