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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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Daisy

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On 3/28/2023 at 10:29 PM, driver18 said:

I'm still waiting for the official word WL is leaving, damnit. There has been nothing yet. Even his Twitter bio still says Cameron Webber/General Hospital. I mean, sure it's likely, but there hasn't been anything official anywhere as far as I can tell. And I've looked. The closest to official was the goodbye hug between Elizabeth and Cam that felt super real between the actors.

Sigh.

well he's not leaving leaving. it was in a soap magazine or something he weill most likely come for summers etc when things quiet down for him in real life, so he's still "Cam" moving him to Stanford pretty much read like well we dont want him to be this generation's Audrey, just honking the car horn."

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On 3/25/2023 at 1:08 PM, Skarzero said:

I had little hope when she told Esme that Spncer has very good reasons not to trust her, only to continue coddling her. Also Spencer being annoyingly obsessed with his brother is a byproduct of the show's(& a particular audience's) baby obsession. They're just wasting him on Esme & her drama to keep him & Trina from progressing. I have little to no feelings about his poor choices & mismanagement, cos its just a way to keep him busy and make him look like a drama king/Esme look better. 

With that said, if Spencer needs to dial it back then so does Laura because so far her methods haven't proven any better as Esme was about to take her money, & her new grandson and skip town. Can't blame Spencer either, he had been left to pick up Trina and had apologized to Esme & Laura for Victor's rudeness. 

Also what is shoving Cameron & Esme together, who's been through enough thanks to Esme, supposed to do? Other than possibly ruin Cam's character & piss off Joss? Like....Joss & her Teflon coated mother have gotten on my last nerve too, but I'm afraid my standards for her comeuppance are higher than Esme. She got the ball rolling for sure. Now, the writers need to find a way to make Joss suffer consequences for being a clone of her shitty mother, that doesn't involve Esme being coated in Teflon too. 

AP is a good actress but her character is kinda meh for me. At the rate she's going, she is gonna be another Carly someday, just on the other side of the tracks.(shit maybe that's the plan 😂, fight fire with fire if so yikes....) Spencer is being made to look like an irrational jackass like Elizabeth/Monica/Robin etc.(& nowadays Nina) were made to look like whenever they spurned Carly. At least SJB & TB did more to make Carly look/feel human & fleshed out than AP is doing with Esme imo. Not to knock her talent because the writing has certainly decreased drastically in quality since TB's Carly, & im sure she's doing her best with what's she's given but still...

Every single line of this is gold to me. The only difference is I have a bit of empathy for Joss with that sex crime. The writers are really underplaying how violating and illegal that was. Funny how the charges were dropped (should have been stayed) on Esme simply because someone asked but with Trina they were ready to throw the book at her, hmmmm wonder why. Suddenly that bloodhound D.A is nowhere to be found. And that ungrateful, entitled little bitch Esme just shrugs it off without an ounce of gratitude. Carly Version 3.

The entitlement from Esme makes me want to throttle her. Bitch, just because you don't remember doesn't erase the crimes. She acts like all those CRIMES were done to HER. The entitlement is insane. I'd that AP is a good actress, idc,  idc, I cannot fucking stand Esme.

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slayer2

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18 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

don't understand why Elizabeth jumped to the conclusion that Epiphany hated her because she wasn't answering her calls and texts. What a weird conclusion. Maybe it's because it's my personality, but I would be more worried that something bad happened to that person.

I get it,  I do this all the time and especially when you're in a bad headspace it tracks.

I'll be watching the episode when it uploads online. Looking forward to seeing YNB, her and Sonya were good friends so it's very similar to when Shannen appeared on Riverdale to do a tribute to Luke. They may have gotten the idea from that and I think that's lovely. Clearly it was cathartic for YNB to be able to express her love for her friend in that way as it was for Shannen regarding Luke.

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Bunnyto4

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On 3/27/2023 at 6:20 PM, sacrebleu said:

I'm just glad they're throwing Cam a party at Charlie's NOT Kelly's. 

I missed a chunk of the show due to Biden. But Joss can f*ck right off telling Cam's mother how tough the breakup was on her. There really isn't a situation Joss can't make about her. 

 

Apples in Port Charles don't fall far from the trees. 🙄

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mostlylurking

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Ok, I might have cried.  A lot.  I thought it was really well done, and I agree with others that the actress actually dying just made it so much sadder.

22 hours ago, ffwbe said:

This was a decent episode but Elizabeth and Felix definitely carried it.

I agree.  I’m pretty sure I’m in the minority but I’ve always liked Felix.  I would like to see him and Brad as a couple.  I’m glad Elizabeth is in the running for head nurse.  She’s put in her dues, both Elizabeth and Becky for always giving 100% to whatever shitty story they drop in her lap.

23 hours ago, lala2 said:

DT was looking mighty good in those glasses. He's a very attractive man.

Oh lord yes!  He is a very handsome man.  I like Curtis, even though he’s been acting a fool for……a while now.

 

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mostlylurking

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1 hour ago, slayer2 said:
20 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

don't understand why Elizabeth jumped to the conclusion that Epiphany hated her because she wasn't answering her calls and texts. What a weird conclusion. Maybe it's because it's my personality, but I would be more worried that something bad happened to that person.

I get it,  I do this all the time and especially when you're in a bad headspace it tracks

Same.  In my anxious and socially weird brain I always jump to “did I do something wrong??  It must be my fault”. It’s pretty irrational and as I type it now I can see it’s also pretty self centered, but nevertheless that’s always my first thought.

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StaceyNotStacie

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I forgot that Violet was a cousin to Liz’s kids. Speaking of which, I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen all three boys together, and the casting is excellent. The two younger ones definitely look like they’re related to the actors who played Jason and Lucky. 
 

Nice to see Austin again, although I wish he would have kicked Spencer out of the exam room when he was there with Esme and Ace. 

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Daisy

Daisy

55 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Same.  In my anxious and socially weird brain I always jump to “did I do something wrong??  It must be my fault”. It’s pretty irrational and as I type it now I can see it’s also pretty self centered, but nevertheless that’s always my first thought.

Well the we can be self-centred together because thats where i go to as well. (it doesnt help most of my friends live in the computer so nuances etc doesn't translate to text well so i always freak out that maybe i did say something that didn't fly well or i forgot to do something and then i try to fix it. 

anyway. is Willow dead yet?
I've pretty much found myself not watching again

 

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31 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

Nice to see Austin again, although I wish he would have kicked Spencer out of the exam room when he was there with Esme and Ace. 

This is when Epiphany would have been most welcome. I don't think she had any particular feelings for Spencer, and she'd have had no problem playing bouncer. (Though to be fair, I doubt they ever had any direct interaction in the first place.)

Shut up and go away, Spencer. You aren't any sort of pediatric medical specialist, so how about you don't try to make any diagnoses?

The going-away breakfast was so sweet.

I liked the color Ava was wearing for a shirt but not for matching lipstick. I also like that the Ava/Felicia friendship is developing.

I love the way Selena doesn't let Sonny push her around.

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

is Willow dead yet?

Sadly, not yet. (And likely not ever, unless there's an amazing twist coming up.)

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dubbel zout

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Darn, we didn't get to see Dex jump into the water!

At least Laura is showing some real feeling that Eileen is dead. Anna and Valentin just seem annoyed that she didn't follow their rules to the letter. Ugh, they're so terrible.

Of course Jordan immediately grasps the wrong end of the stick when she sees Sonny with Eileen's body. 

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Kim0820

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On 3/29/2023 at 2:19 PM, YaddaYadda said:

Way to make all of this about Hatman, writers. Responsible for her take the mcats, following her dreams, dying.

It's always dumb the way characters blame themselves for things that happen.  Like only he could convince her to go to medical school.  And that accident could have happened anywhere.  

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Katy M

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I ditched out with about 10 minutes left.  Everything at the Cabin of Intrigue was way too overly dramatic. From opening th edoor to Drew going to commercial break. I don't know about anybody else, but I had no fear of anyone nefarious being there.  To Sonny showing up with news of Eileen's death when they had been discussing that probability for like an hour.  Did we need Drew there for any reason at all?

Joss:  If anyone found out I'm dating this mystery man, many would die.  In fact, the whole world might come to an end.  (Yes, I realize I exaggerated what I said.

What I wish Trina would have responded: Maybe you shouldn't be seeing him then.  Are your raging hormones worth the end of civilization as we know it?

What I'm sure Joss would have responded: But, of course.

Cam's good-bye breakfast was sweet, but it was a little too over-the-top for me.  It was like Violet was going for the gold in the Olympics cuteness or something.

 

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It's always dumb the way characters blame themselves for things that happen.  Like only he could convince her to go to medical school.  And that accident could have happened anywhere.  

Clearly you've never inadvertently put anyone in harm's way.  I'm very happy for you, and I mean that sincerely and am afraid it's going to come off sarcastically.  But, for those of us that have, let me tell you, irrational as it is, the guilt is very very real.

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Joss out here rewriting history with her claims that she started dating someone soon after breaking up with Cam. It’s the new AJ pushed me down the stairs. Also, no one has given a damn so far about her and Dex and I already know it’ll be a blip once it comes out. She’s trying so hard to make her relationship interesting. Lol if anyone would have made them star crossed lovers, it would have been Carly and Michael and neither of them care about her banging a mob lackey

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rur

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Sonny was being pretty jerky to Ms Wu today. It's probably not particularly wise to ask for help then be an a$$ about it, since you've already demonstrated a weakness in a business that's pretty unforgiving. 

After Drew's appearance today, I'm convinced that he's another with high minimums that have to be met. He's becoming more grating by the day.  Did anyone else catch the line about how he'd dropped off the orphaned dogs at the Q's? Poor Monica.

It got a little dusty in my house toward the end of the episode. The final scene between Becky and WL was nicely done and affected me more than I expected.

 

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YaddaYadda

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11 minutes ago, rur said:

It got a little dusty in my house toward the end of the episode. The final scene between Becky and WL was nicely done and affected me more than I expected.

If this were Reddit, I'd probably get downvoted for it. I don't get the prolonged goodbye when WL will be back on screen in a couple of months or whenever his semester is done? 

At least Jake and Aiden were allowed out of their bedrooms for this, I guess. Of course Violet had to be there. Can't have Webber scenes without Violet. 

Yes. I'm aware she's a Webber.

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26 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Also, no one has given a damn so far about her and Dex and I already know it’ll be a blip once it comes out. She’s trying so hard to make her relationship interesting.

Seriously. I laughed when she said it would be dangerous if the relationship became public. Sonny is the only one who might have a problem with it, and he knows and doesn't seem to care. And with the way she goes all goo-goo eyes when Dex is around (EM does a good job with that), it's pretty obvious she has feelings for him. Dex is such a block of wood it's hard to tell when he's feeling anything. In that respect he's a decent Jason replacement, heh.

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12 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

If this were Reddit, I'd probably get downvoted for it. I don't get the prolonged goodbye when WL will be back on screen in a couple of months or whenever his semester is done? 

At least Jake and Aiden were allowed out of their bedrooms for this, I guess. Of course Violet had to be there. Can't have Webber scenes without Violet. 

Yes. I'm aware she's a Webber.

I thought I’d was weird as well unless they only decided to bring him back for the summer after they filmed these scenes. A lot of recurring character take much longer breaks than that. Hell WL himself has done it 

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Blackie

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Ok they are just trolling us with all the comments about Ace's birth weight and how much he has grown . And he is the quietest colicy baby ever. But the producers definitely have our number, and we are getting our cute giant baby fixes every day.

The dialogue between Trina and Joss was so badly written and  acted even worse. 

ETA: I don't mind the farewells for Cam because it seems like normal for a family . Maybe they are using it and Pip's death to motivate Elizabeth in her head nurse roll. Let her have some good hospital story and stop trying to pair her with everybody.

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Cheyanne11

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21 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Seriously. I laughed when she said it would be dangerous if the relationship became public. Sonny is the only one who might have a problem with it, and he knows and doesn't seem to care.

I wonder if half the thrill is this supposed 'forbidden fruit' aspect.  Block of Wood might not be so appealing if she realized no one gave a fuck who she was screwing.

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ffwbe

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33 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I wonder if half the thrill is this supposed 'forbidden fruit' aspect.  Block of Wood might not be so appealing if she realized no one gave a fuck who she was screwing.

That’s how it comes off. All they have is sex and talking about Sonny. He has no personality and she knows nothing about him other than he’s ex-military and has admitted as much. Lol if she ever got her wish and he stops working for Sonny and was working a regular job, she’d be bored in a second. 

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StaceyNotStacie

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58 minutes ago, Blackie said:

ETA: I don't mind the farewells for Cam because it seems like normal for a family . Maybe they are using it and Pip's death to motivate Elizabeth in her head nurse roll. Let her have some good hospital story and stop trying to pair her with everybody.

Isn’t this still BH’s anniversary year?  Maybe the story of Cam leaving is more about her than him. Even though he will be back, it’s still a big deal for a mom when her kid leaves for college the first time, especially when he’s on the other side of the country. 

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Blackie

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10 hours ago, mbluecpa said:

Were KeMo and BA paid as extras today? I don’t think they had any lines

 

BTW there were quite a few other "extras". Were these GH crew who were close to SE, or SE's friends ??  Or just random paid extras.

I guess Austin was holding down the fort at the hospital for the memorial because he wasn't there but was on today.

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YaddaYadda

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1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I wonder if half the thrill is this supposed 'forbidden fruit' aspect.  Block of Wood might not be so appealing if she realized no one gave a fuck who she was screwing.

The forbidden exists only in her head. Both Sonny and Michael know about this and neither hit the roof over it. Michael didn't forbid her to see bobblehead and Sonny didn't summon her to tell her no.

The only person who would probably care is Jax, but he's in Australia, blissfully unaware of what his dumb-dumb daughter is doing.

She's lying to Trina for no other reason than that she enjoys the "secrecy" and the thrill of a forbidden relationship. She makes it sound like they're Romeo and Juliet, which they ain't.

Take away the thrill of something that's forbidden and there's nothing left. Even sex loses its excitement once it's not a sikrit anymore.

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Cheyanne11

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

The forbidden exists only in her head.

I know--that's why I said supposed.  No one cares, but Joss has made it out to be this BIG SECRET which seems to be all the relationship has going for it.  Also, she's a shit for not even telling Trina, especially when she's fine grilling her.

Missed the last twenty minutes because of a news report and it cut off right in the middle of Drew yammering on, which I took as a sign from the tv gods. 

I know "gentle farmer Franco" is a whole thing, but I actually like RoHo when he's in 'understanding doctor' mode.  He really shines.

ETA: Watched the last 20 minutes on Hulu.  Oh, that Elizabeth/Cam scene got me good.  As did him saying goodbye to his brothers.  It was really good seeing all Elizabeth's boys together. 

Oh, Spencer, stop it.  Do not trust Victor and whatever he wants you to do.  Nothing good can come of it.

Lastly, LOL that Joss thinks she's being secretive and Trina figured out the big 'secret romance' in under 20 seconds.  Where's her "YOU TRIED!" ribbon?

 

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If WL isn’t really leaving I don’t get the drawn out goodbyes. Liz’s speeches are sweet and all but in the back of my mind, knowing he’ll be back in 12 weeks I’m like……okay.

The Esme baby story is just an all around snooze for me. Spencer’s writing is OTT and it’s a complete waste of both actor’s talents. 

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Jordan doesn't smell a rat when she sees Eileen's body on the docks, and Sonny is completely dry.  Did he use a fishing net to get her out?  And then Dex is suddenly dry and at the rehearsal, after his dip in the (gross) harbor.

And Drew and Sonny have to show up in person at the Cabin o' Boredom?  Everyone has Anna's burner phone number.   Victor should be able to find the cabin just by checking the number of cars headed that way on the traffic cam.

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nilyank

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1 hour ago, Steph J said:

I'm going to have to insist that the show start sending me a dollar every time the words "baby brother" are uttered so that I can pay for therapy before the repetition drives me insane.

But apparently, Spencer finally referred to him as Ace. I counted about 6 or 7 times at least. However that didn't stop him from throwing the stink eye at Austin when he told Esme that Ace was a great name.

Ace of course doesn't know why he needs to go to the hospital. He is obviously is doing better than the other billions of babies in the world. He dominates in size and cuteness. The only other baby who can compete with his hugeness and cuteness is Amelia.

I said it before when Valentin and Anna first went there but isn't that one of Sonny's safe houses.

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jsbt

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11 hours ago, Daisy said:

well he's not leaving leaving. it was in a soap magazine or something he weill most likely come for summers etc when things quiet down for him in real life

I hope so, but I'll believe they're committed to substantially using him when I see it. When Kimberly McCullough took off for college they used Robin as much as possible for as long as possible during her visits like they were on a clock and had to spend all their McDonald's app points before the end of the year. Whereas I knew Sydney Mikayla was a goner when they gave the same line about her going to school but staying with GH.

7 minutes ago, nilyank said:

But apparently, Spencer finally referred to him as Ace. I counted about 6 or 7 times at least. However that didn't stop him from throwing the stink eye at Austin when he told Esme that Ace was a great name.

I am convinced Frank thinks it's cute for them to keep calling this infant behemoth 'Ace' because that's what Kelly and Kevin Buchanan on OLTL called their (stolen) son back when he started running that show during the big AMC/OLTL baby switch crossover. Everything goes back to OLTL nostalgia for him.

1 hour ago, Mirabelle said:

Ace has clearly been stunting Violet's growth by stealing her life force in order to accelerate his own development.

He can drain that little demon's lifeforce dry for all I care. She's somehow made Nicolas Bechtel's worst days seem palatable.

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Skarzero

Skarzero

11 hours ago, slayer2 said:

I have a bit of empathy for Joss with that sex crime. The writers are really underplaying how violating and illegal that was

I agree & I do have empathy for her in that regard too, but that is about as far as it goes for now. She cheated on Cam & despite not being dragged or shunned for it the show still lets her play revisionist history about it. Her delusional need to keep her sleeping with boring ass Dex a secret doesn't help her case either. Literally no one cares. lmao Everyone that has found out so far has done nothing. The fact that she convinces herself that her relationship is an important secret is astounding... Until I remember who she's related to. 

Also her Sonny hate boner being rooted in anything that doesn't involve how he used to shit on Jax, before, and after she was born, is dumb as hell to me. As perfectly stated here once before, her & Michael seem to hate Sonny because he stopped kissing Carly's ass. That's just so basic & pathetic. 

It was nice to see Jake & Aidan, the group hug between them was touching. Hopefully its not too long before we see Cam again. I'm sure this has been said alot but GH is really great at casting its youth cast(save for Dex). Probably, the best out of all 4 Soaps left. 

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There's a lot of names being thrown around online about Joss by virtue of the longtime slanted writing for the character and her mother, and how over-propped Joss is. It's true that the writing is slanted and she is too often having bad behavior excused. But I don't think that makes Joss, to put it politely, promiscuous. Joss made a mistake - she's a very young woman who slept with another man she was profoundly attracted to while still dating her teen sweetheart, then turned around very remorseful and immediately dumped him a few hours later. She didn't carry on a long physical affair behind Cameron's back. She didn't cuckold him for months like Carly's done to many people over the years. (And like Elizabeth did to Lucky, for that matter.)

I don't like what Joss did, and I don't think the often-entitled writing for her since trying to pretend she didn't cheat on him is doing her any favors; it only makes people more dug in. But I also don't think it makes Joss any number of names she's been called. In the end she's just a spoiled young girl who made a mistake and tried to do the right thing for her now-ex boyfriend after the fact. If they'd just leave her with that, it'd be no big deal. This is a soap opera. But the show is allergic to repercussions for Joss or Carly and that only heightens the vitriol.

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Blackie

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5 hours ago, jsbt said:

Joss made a mistake - she's a very young woman who slept with another man she was profoundly attracted to while still dating her teen sweetheart, then turned around very remorseful and immediately dumped him a few hours later. She didn't carry on a long physical affair behind Cameron's back. She didn't cuckold him for months like Carly's done to many people over the years.

 

That is what I said from the beginning. Yes she made a mistake but her real fault is that she wasn't a very good friend to begin with.

ETA: As soon as Cam gets a girlfriend that really cares about him, he will realize that Joss wasn't that great of a friend or girlfriend.

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Mirabelle

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I'm going to start calling Ace "CGB" but the one area I agree with Spencer in regards to the baby is that Ace is a dumb name. 

3 hours ago, Blackie said:

 

ETA: As soon as Cam gets a girlfriend that really cares about him, he will realize that Joss wasn't that great of a friend or girlfriend.

As soon as Cam gets a girlfriend, Joss is going to figuratively try to pee on him and mark him as her BFF who she will protect at all costs. That's what Carly, Sr. did to Jason. Remember how she used to threaten to sue for custody of Jake on Jason's behalf?

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

2 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

As soon as Cam gets a girlfriend, Joss is going to figuratively try to pee on him and mark him as her BFF who she will protect at all costs. That's what Carly, Sr. did to Jason. Remember how she used to threaten to sue for custody of Jake on Jason's behalf?

Carly really hasn't had a storyline in a really long time, has she? 

I'm sure Cameron's new girlfriend will not have been waitlisted by Stanford.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

3 hours ago, Blackie said:

Joss wasn't that great of a friend or girlfriend

She's a common type of self-involved young adult. I don't have a problem with that so much as the writing props her so ridiculously that I'm supposed to admire her for being a mediocre friend and girlfriend. Joss desperately needs someone who pushes back. That should be Trina, but the writers don't give her nearly enough of it. Trina ultimately still bows at the altar of Joss.

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

She's a common type of self-involved young adult. I don't have a problem with that so much as the writing props her so ridiculously that I'm supposed to admire her for being a mediocre friend and girlfriend. Joss desperately needs someone who pushes back. That should be Trina, but the writers don't give her nearly enough of it. Trina ultimately still bows at the altar of Joss.

I think Spencer is supposed to fill that role and that’s why she’s particularly nasty towards him while simultaneously claiming that he should be on her side because they’re “friends” 

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"Grandma thinks there's nothing wrong with Ace." Yes Spencer, but what does Kevin the M.D think?

"This is what we call a classic case of colic"🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure, Austin. My baby had a classic case of colic and cried for 18 hours a day. When she was 3 weeks old, I weighed less than I did when I got pregnant because I couldn't stop walking and sit down to eat. When the colic stopped at 4 months, the gastric reflux started. That giant baby is the calmest thing I've ever seen and a joy to parent.

Liz, it's hard when your first child leaves. It's devastating when your last one does especially if you are partnerless.

The show really infantalizes Violet. She's eight, an age when many children walk to school on there own so there is no reason for Finn to take her hand as they leave Liz's house. And eight was when Aiden started serious baking which led to problems at school so why is Violet only allowed to make toast?

I got an email asking me to sign a petition to end the Willow Project and I was all "Yes!". To my dismay, it's not about the show but a developmental project.

18 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

This is when Epiphany would have been most welcome. I don't think she had any particular feelings for Spencer, and she'd have had no problem playing bouncer. (Though to be fair, I doubt they ever had any direct interaction in the first place.)

Epiphany was a mob-worshiper par excellance. I don't place any faith in her not propping Sonny's nephew.

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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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