Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[jsbt]

I dunno. Sam and Emma had a pretty solid relationship back then.

[Desperado]

Jane Elliott is having so much fun fake sparing with MEK that she almost broke out laughing.🤣 I much prefer to watch that than have her yell at Sasha (100% over that).

52 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I must have a heart of stone because I felt nothing for Brooke Lynn, crying that she can't carry Chase's baby and phoning her mother to come home and make her feel better. There are people in worse situations, much worse.

Same. Same. Same. Brooklyn looks to be in her late 30s to me and should’ve clued in before now, that babies might not be in her future.

I missed the part where she said she wanted to contact the child she gave up now that she can’t pop another, but way to be selfish and not think of how that could affect this child.

Also, not having children is not a bloody death sentence.

I’m fine with Carly/Brennan, but couldn’t evaluate the kiss chemistry as it was shot from too far off for me to tell.

Jason butting in and asking Sasha personal questions seemed out of character but recycled plot of him acting like the daddy. I guess I shouldn’t complain, it was 25 yrs ago or something… 

[Cheyanne11]

8 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Were Sam and Emma close, or is that the usual revisionist b.s.?

Usual Revisionist Bullshit.

Didn't Sam and Patrick live together for a while?  I feel like this isn't really that far off the mark that she would have fond memories of her.

[boes]

17 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I knew the near-death experience would lead to Carly and Brennan fucking.

Well, at least he got the post-massage happy ending he was hoping for.  

It'll be downhill for him from here on out.

[dubbel zout]

29 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

41 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

44 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Were Sam and Emma close, or is that the usual revisionist b.s.?

Usual Revisionist Bullshit.

Didn't Sam and Patrick live together for a while?  I feel like this isn't really that far off the mark that she would have fond memories of her.

I only just now remembered Sam and Patrick were a couple. D'oh! So of course she and Emma would have had a relationship.

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I only just now remembered Sam and Patrick were a couple. D'oh! So of course she and Emma would have had a relationship.

I started typing it three separate times because I was like 'wait, were they a couple or did I misremember?' so clearly they weren't very memorable!

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I must have a heart of stone because I felt nothing for Brooke Lynn, crying that she can't carry Chase's baby and phoning her mother to come home and make her feel better. There are people in worse situations, much worse.

I didn't feel anything either because the couple annoys the hell out of me with them their fully clothed sex. 

Plus I thought they had more chemistry when they were pretending to be Bailey's parents.

I also don't care about babies this and babies that. 

[absnow54]

I’ve been holding out hope that Cody was actually Gio’s father even though they’ve been heavily foreshadowing it’s Dante. But since they’re obviously pairing Gio with Emma, they wouldn’t do cousin lovin’ again so soon (even though they’d be second cousins.)

DZ and AH are really breathing new life into Dante/Lulu. I’ve never cared for the pairing much, but they’re settling into a nice chemistry. 

[YaddaYadda]

54 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Didn't Sam and Patrick live together for a while?  I feel like this isn't really that far off the mark that she would have fond memories of her.

They were even engaged IIRC. They imploded when Jake Doe found out he was Jason.

[Bringonthedrama]

34 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Were Sam and Emma close, or is that the usual revisionist b.s.?

I thought this was incredibly gross. As if being a mother to a nonbiological child is somehow less genuine an experience. I don't care that she's reeling from the news she (for now) won't have a child with Chase. 

 

31 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Usual Revisionist Bullshit.

Patrick and Sam were in a relationship and Sam moved with Danny into the Scorpio/Drake home when Emma and Danny were little kids, when Robin was away from Port Charles and (under duress) convinced Patrick that she no longer wanted a family life. I don't recall that Sam and Emma had many scenes together, but the writers had Anna being grateful to Sam for her pseudo- stepmother place in Emma's life and saying the house hadn't been Robin's in a long time.

Years later when Robin returned with Emma for the Nurse's Ball/to visit Anna, Robin saw Sam and said yes, I'm here with Emma, and Sam - instead of expressing gratitude for what Robin had sacrificed - ran off to catch up with Emma. 

My interpretation of BLQ's reaction is that she knows she can still be a mother through IVF, adoption, etc. and also knows Chase would support whatever she wants to do. However, for now at least she feels she doesn't want to be pregnant again/be a mother unless her husband is the biological father. 

I've seen all the comments about how BLQ's feelings about being a bio parent or being devastated are offensive, but I see it as realistic. A female colleague of my mother's was a mom to one child, yet was really determined (I thought obsessed) about having a second child. She and her husband spent significant money on fertility/exploring options, took time off from work, etc. to make it happen. She did not want to adopt. She did eventually get what she wanted. I also used to be friends with a woman who was told her first pregnancy to term/ healthy child was a lucky thing because of health issues. Another friend was there when this woman got a call from her doctor letting her know she was not pregnant for a second time. She said the woman was crushed. This woman yearned and prayed a lot to be pregnant again with her husband's baby and carry to term. They had a healthy son a few years later. 

What can I say, some people see having a baby that is biologically theirs as the ultimate sign of bonded commitment in marriage/love/real family. I've even heard a woman (not those mentioned above) say she hadn't considered adoption when struggling to start a family because she didn't think her husband's pride could handle it.

 

[MarciNJ]

14 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

DZ and AH are really breathing new life into Dante/Lulu. I’ve never cared for the pairing much, but they’re settling into a nice chemistry. 

I think AH is doing a great job as NuLulu; I mean, she is totally shrill and annoying and self centered, but thats Lulu, and she is doing a good job playing it.

[tessaray]

I felt a little bit sorry for Chase, the boy was absolutely crushed. But that's about it. The rest was pretty lame. And the only mystery is how long before the Gio reveal... is February a sweeps month?

[Auntie Velvet]

Three nascent GH couples have kicked off with the excruciating trope of bickering to romance -- Emma/Gio, Trina/Kai, and Tracy/Martin.

That's also how we got Chase/Brook Lynn, Joss/Dex (RIP), Carly/Jack, and probably the majority of other current or recently departed couples on the show.  To some extent it's classic romcom and soap fodder, but when that's ALL they know how to do, it's a bore.

I will say, however, that Gio is more interesting when he's sarcastic and skeptical.

[Artsda]

Jason told Sasha being a single parent is hard?

He'd know how? By watching Sam and Liz do it? 

Sasha has a lot of demands. The Q's can't know about the baby, ironic since that's Michael all over again.  Sonny can't know, Willow can't know. Because then she'd know Michael cheated first and has a baby from adultery. 

 

[mostlylurking]

5 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Didn't Sam and Patrick live together for a while?  I feel like this isn't really that far off the mark that she would have fond memories of her.

I completely forgot that even happened.  Leave it to these writers to not remember basic character traits but then they pull this out of their asses.

5 hours ago, Desperado said:

hours ago, statsgirl said:

I must have a heart of stone because I felt nothing for Brooke Lynn, crying that she can't carry Chase's baby and phoning her mother to come home and make her feel better. There are people in worse situations, much worse.

I agree with you but I think it’s pretty realistic in the moment for her to feel overwhelmed.  It’s certainly not a death sentence and she could still have a child via IVF with donor sperm but still.  It’s not the same.  As someone who had a lot of fertility issues it just hurts when you can’t have children the “normal” way, especially when you have people around you who seemingly sneeze and woops they’re pregnant!  And they weren’t even trying! (My personal fave 🙄)

Now the part where she suddenly wants to meet her ADULT child because she’s feeling sad and it’s a lot…..yeah.  That’s a bit much.

Edited 14 hours ago by mostlylurking

[statsgirl]

Oh, look Dante is suddenly telling Gio to be more polite and nicer to Emma. Why, he's acting like Gio's father!

5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL at Carly screaming at Brennan to wake up. She's obviously forgotten every bit of first aid she's ever known.

If only she had taken some courses at GH ... oh, wait.

[ciarra]

Brennan, perhaps you might want to sweep up before walking around on broken glass with bare feet. 

Did Carly walk through the lobby in her bathrobe to get back to her room? 

Why don't Chase and BLQ return to their apartment, now that Violet is no longer around?  Their room is fugly.

[Cheyanne11]

So Sasha is worried about Willow finding out about her ONS/oopsiebaby with Michael because then Willow will use that to get full custody of her kids but also Sasha doesn't want the Qs anywhere near her baby but also helped the Qs keep Willow's kids away from her.  One set of rules for thee, another for me.  But her time will come when Carly Baby Hoarder finds out.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Cheyanne11

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

If only she had taken some courses at GH ... oh, wait.

She had actually had this situation happened before to her.

Years ago Stefan had strangled Lorenzo Alcazar becaused the Cassadines were broke and owed money to Alcazar who threatened to hurt Nikolas if they didn't pay him. (Dumb story that the Cassadines were broke)

Anyhow Carly found an almost dead Alcazar and she gave him CPR and saved life. 

[KerleyQ]

You know, there was a time I liked Sasha well enough, but damn if I can remember why at this point. 

She's standing there telling Jason that Willow can't know about the baby because she'll use Michael's cheating to get full custody. Yeah, gee, Sasha, it would really be cruel of Willow to have full custody of Michael's kids and not share them with him. Not like you who fully intends to share this baby with Michael.  Oh, wait, what's that? You're not? The hypocrisy. (Not to mention, Michael has video evidence of Willow's infidelity, so their cheating basically cancels each other out. If infidelity was actually a reason to lose custody in the first place, which it's not.)

Of course, that's all just bullshit, because the real reason you are keeping the baby's paternity a secret is to keep the baby from being too heavily influenced by the Q's or the mob. But, again, hypocrisy. So, Willow shouldn't get custody of her kids, and, instead, they should be kept by the Q's and Sonny/Carly, but you get to keep your kid away from all of them because you don't think that's an environment to raise kids in?  Fuck right off. 

Insert my regular reminder that I hate myself for liking Carly/Brennan here. LW has had chemistry with exactly three actors the entirety of her run as Carly - Ted King, Ingo Rademacher, and now Charles Mesure. 

For just a moment, when Emma was paying her respects to Dante about Sam, she was who you'd expect Emma to be. But then that was just an excuse for her to spar with Gio and Dante to witness it so he could get all paternal on the son he doesn't know is his. 

[CeChase]

17 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Didn't Sam and Patrick live together for a while?  I feel like this isn't really that far off the mark that she would have fond memories of her.

Yes, it makes me sad to see people saying it's a retcon.  I know many don't feel this way, but the way I loved Samtrick.  And they were engaged and had a sweet little family, and yes, Sam was a mother figure to Emma. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

14 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Yes, it makes me sad to see people saying it's a retcon.  I know many don't feel this way, but the way I loved Samtrick.  And they were engaged and had a sweet little family, and yes, Sam was a mother figure to Emma. 

I didn't forget that. And yes, they were good together as long as Patrick acknowledged that Jason was a "good" person and had to forget about all the contempt and hate he had for him when Jason was alive. Which he did. The one good thing I loved about Patrick was his hate/contempt for Mooby and Jason.

Because in the few returns original Emma made, we never saw her see Sam again, or I don't recall if she even asked about her.

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

21 hours ago, ciarra said:

I thought they got a delay for their presentation, until after football season.  So their grade right now should be "incomplete".

Thanks. I must have missed a day. Fortunately, I will be there for the resolution. Maybe they'll shoot three different versions to throw the leakers off.

[absnow54]

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

She's standing there telling Jason that Willow can't know about the baby because she'll use Michael's cheating to get full custody. Yeah, gee, Sasha, it would really be cruel of Willow to have full custody of Michael's kids and not share them with him. Not like you who fully intends to share this baby with Michael.  Oh, wait, what's that? You're not? The hypocrisy. (Not to mention, Michael has video evidence of Willow's infidelity, so their cheating basically cancels each other out. If infidelity was actually a reason to lose custody in the first place, which it's not.)

Of course, that's all just bullshit, because the real reason you are keeping the baby's paternity a secret is to keep the baby from being too heavily influenced by the Q's or the mob. But, again, hypocrisy. So, Willow shouldn't get custody of her kids, and, instead, they should be kept by the Q's and Sonny/Carly, but you get to keep your kid away from all of them because you don't think that's an environment to raise kids in?  Fuck right off. 

Seriously does she hear herself? Do the writers review their work with any level of self awareness? Sasha should be reluctantly empathetic of Willow’s situation or at least conflicted. Instead all we hear is how she needs to raise her baby on her own, while Willow is a monster for trying to protect her parental rights. 

[dubbel zout]

11 hours ago, nilyank said:

Anyhow Carly found an almost dead Alcazar and she gave him CPR and saved life. 

Can you blame her? Ted King was hot like fire (and still is).

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

If infidelity was actually a reason to lose custody in the first place, which it's not

This is so stupid. No one cares who you cheat with unless it's someone who will actively put any kids in danger. (Insert usual caveats about Sonny's lifestyle affecting all those around him.) Sasha has become as unpleasant as Drew with her hypocrisy.

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

But then that was just an excuse for her to spar with Gio and Dante to witness it so he could get all paternal on the son he doesn't know is his. 

I alternately laughed and rolled my eyes at how anvilcious that was. Subtle GH is not.

1 hour ago, CeChase said:

Yes, it makes me sad to see people saying [Sam/Patrick/Emma] a retcon.

As the poster who started this, I ask:  When was the last time we heard about Patrick and Sam living together? It's probably been more than a decade. And it's not as if Emma made any reference to that time when she was talking to Dante.

This comes across as defensive, and I definitely don't mean it to. I just want to explain where I'm coming from. It's the show's fault for not putting that conversation into context, especially when there's a recast and the character is evolving somewhat away from an earlier depiction.