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18 hours ago, Perkie said:

I think everyone who has any kind of disease should go to that hospital in Germany.  Michael has not one single solitary burn scar on any part of his upper anatomy as he sits by the pool.  Eeesh.  

I think that only means that Michael was, unfortunately, in a position at Sonny's place to receive only third degree butthole burns.  One of those "hidden dangers" we hear so much about.

There's gotta be a salve for that.

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Noneofyourbusiness

Noneofyourbusiness

On 6/20/2025 at 3:28 PM, jsbt said:

Legally, yes, Willow is the mother of the paste eater. It's not about me dismissing adoption. I'm saying that biologically, cynically, Michael could leverage it to make Willow look like a deranged usurper falling back into her cult ways. 

Or he could emphasize her identification of Wiley with the baby she actually carried who died.

On 6/20/2025 at 3:31 PM, statsgirl said:

Gio: I wasn't allowed to play much softball because Gloria and Lois were afraid that i would hurt my hands. (Oh, that is so cliche.)

Hadn't watched that part, so for a second I thought you were parodying.

On 6/20/2025 at 3:37 PM, dubbel zout said:

I was not fooled for one instant by that face-off between Anna and Sonny. Way to spoil the "joke" when the scene before talked about the softball game, Show! Good grief.

I knew it was going to be that ever since I heard someone mention their exchange in the promo the day before.

23 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Wylie doesn't appear to be the sharpest crayon in the drawer.

Wiley clearly knows that Sasha is Daisy's mother. The question is why he doesn't have a problem with that.

18 hours ago, madhacker said:

Since Sonny is Gio's grandfather, what does that make him to Michael? Uncle maybe?

Gio is Michael's nephew. Sonny is legally Michael's father and Michael and Dante have called each brothers many times.

7 hours ago, ljr said:

I was thinking Michael doesn’t have any scars? The makeup department could have done something. 

He went to a special German clinic to get a treatment that doesn't exist in real life.

Speaking of Sasha and contradictions, back when she didn't want it to be known by anyone that Michael was the father of her baby, it was never even once brought up how poorly she reacted when she learned Holly kept the fact Robert was her father secret.

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GHScorpiosRule

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Well, at least Show got ONE thing right-congressional aides don’t have to be in DC-they can work in the politician’s home state/district. Damning with faint praise. Maybe someone beamed the idiots’ heads about this. Don’t know don’t care.

And joining or rather repeating my previous comments that Show is stuck in the mid 20th century. Mistress? Really?! The SLS  and Sasha had a ONE NIGHT STAND. Just because she ended up with his spawn doesn’t make her his mistress.

I HATE to give Guza any credit, but post Monty, he at least stayed within the decade and current social mores. Ever since Frank took over, it’s been regressing more and more into the past. Okay, Guza did it when Brook Lynn returned to “seduce” Dante-referring to the refrigerators in da old neighborhood as “Ice box” when talking with Olivia, as if it were the 1940s.

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4 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Wiley clearly knows that Sasha is Daisy's mother. The question is why he doesn't have a problem with that.

Well, in Port Charles, it is more of an unusual situation when all the kids come from the same Mom and Dad. Having multiple stepparents and houses is more the norm than it might be other places. So Wiley might be thinking he's finally getting the kind of family all his friends have.

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nilyank

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3 hours ago, KittyQ said:

So Wiley might be thinking he's finally getting the kind of family all his friends have.

His best buddy and cousin James comes from a family where his sisters had different dads from him.

Kai shouldn't worry about having to work in DC. If Drew hasn't gone to DC since he was sworn, then Kai should be fine.

So Kristina has to be in a scene with Willow so she can appear like the more stable and sane one.

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5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I HATE to give Guza any credit, but post Monty, he at least stayed within the decade and current social mores. Ever since Frank took over, it’s been regressing more and more into the past.

Didn't they do a storyline when Sonny was in Mystic Falls or whatever the crap they called it (I don't care enough to look it up) and he tries to help the Magical Wise Negros and Nina stop some big box store from developing over a charming town center or something? Like, what? I mean, Gladys mentioned online shopping from Wyndham so we know it exists in this universe.

Or how they made it a big deal for Joss and her friends to drink even when they were at college? Seriously, who cares if a 20-year old drinks. I don't even think I see them do social media. 

But yeah, I mean, during the Guza era we had the Text Killer and Kristinia wanting to brand herself on a reality show, aka the Kardashians.

I feel like the show used to mimic popular t.v. shows of the time. We had The Sopranos, of course, but when Grey's Anatomy hit, they also copied that. Hence when we started seeing the nurses partying together at the bars after hours, and of course, the Patrick/Robin romance.

I feel like they don't really do that as much anymore. If they were, they probably would have tried to rip off Yellowstone at the very least.

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I apologize if this has already been addressed, but if not, how much must Wardrobe hate Kate Mansi to dress her in that oversized table cloth of a covering she had on while Wiley was swimming in the swill that passes for a pool at Carly's sex club aka hotel?

She looked like Topo Gigio in a failed skit on the Ed Sullivan show.  It made her look like she was 3 feet tall, 5 feet wide and dumber than a ditch -- the only part the show got right.

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I've given it a few weeks on nuMichael. While my first impression was favorable, it's not so much anymore, alas, and this is not a case like Nicholas Alexander Chavez who was green when he first showed up. Because, well, he was green. The same can't be said for Rory Gibson who was on another soap.

Here's the thing. Gibson is hot AF,  smolders quite well, and has chemistry with Willow, Sasha, and possibly other potential love interests. That's great. After all, Chad Duell was a walking chemistry-free zone, and had the charisma of a sleeping wet dog.

However, Duell could act. He was actually very good. Even in his don't really give a damn periods, he was still fairly decent. He was just a walking void of charisma. Gibson? Just about every line has the nuance and depth of a piece of paper. He's got the emoting skills of a block of wood. *sigh* But, he sure is pretty.

If only we could combine the best of both... or I dunno, the casting department coulda cast a charismatic dude who could act? What a novel idea.

Oh well, supposedly he didn’t do much on YR, so maybe with time and more material, he'll get better.

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Noneofyourbusiness

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9 hours ago, nilyank said:

His best buddy and cousin James comes from a family where his sisters had different dads from him.

I questioned for a second how Wiley and James were cousins and then I remembered it was through Nina and Nathan.

Wiley also has a great-uncle who's a vampire.

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Sake614

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5 hours ago, driver18 said:

However, Duell could act. He was actually very good. Even in his don't really give a damn periods, he was still fairly decent. He was just a walking void of charisma. Gibson? Just about every line has the nuance and depth of a piece of paper. He's got the emoting skills of a block of wood. *sigh* But, he sure is pretty.

Couldn’t possibly disagree more. CD could NOT act. Like he walked in green and never improved. I saw him when he guest starred on something and he was just as bad as on GH. I think Rory CAN act and is doing a fine job so far. He’s keeping an even keel, not going overboard with emotions.

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I'm in the middle. I don't think that Duell was a good actor (his role on Arrow was basically Michael all over again) but I'm not really impressive by Rory so far. Even Ryan Paevy learned to emote if not layer. I was spoiled by JJ and Chavez.

On the other hand, I wasn't impressed by Giovanni M's acting when he first came on the show and I am very happy to watch him now.

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I think RG is playing Michael rather neutrally, which isn't unusual when there's a recast. He's figuring out who Michael is and how he wants to play him—not to mention getting used to the actors he's working with—and I wouldn't be surprised if the writers started to tweak the character a bit. I doubt Michael will ever lose no matter who plays him (more's the pity), but maybe he won't be such a pill. Or be the ruthless businessman everyone claims he's supposed to be. Something that gives him more of a personality than he has now.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I think RG is playing Michael rather neutrally, which isn't unusual when there's a recast. He's figuring out who Michael is and how he wants to play him—not to mention getting used to the actors he's working with—and I wouldn't be surprised if the writers started to tweak the character a bit. I doubt Michael will ever lose no matter who plays him (more's the pity), but maybe he won't be such a pill. Or be the ruthless businessman everyone claims he's supposed to be. Something that gives him more of a personality than he has now.

I think this is the best take on it, and it's what makes me willing to be (a little) more patient.  Granted, Michael hasn't been given all that much to do in these past few weeks, but I thought we would at least have gotten a few conflicted facial expressions during the courtroom scenes, and maybe some additional emotion as he announced he was preparing to abscond with the kids. Underwhelming for me so far, but I'm willing to give it more time.

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I like RG and he's basically come in at a time when Michael has been in a burn unit recovering from horrible burns and then immediately is in a nasty custody case, has an ongoing feud with his uncle, and has a new baby with his ex-girlfriend. So there's been a lot of material there but a lot of it has felt like wrapping up loose ends from CD's tenure and then maybe we'll get more development of the character and who Michael is going to be now.  

It would be nice to have Michael as a compelling character because truth be told I've never had much use for him. Too many good characters were sacrificed on the altar of that child (AJ, Tony, The Q's having to kiss up to Carly to get to spend one millisecond with him) and I've only found him interesting twice. Once was when CD was playing him and SK came back as AJ, and then most of DG's time on the show because that hate-filled little rage monster was exactly the child that the criminal band of idiots who raised him deserved.  

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On 6/21/2025 at 4:18 PM, Noneofyourbusiness said:
On 6/21/2025 at 8:19 AM, ljr said:

I was thinking Michael doesn’t have any scars? The makeup department could have done something. 

He went to a special German clinic to get a treatment that doesn't exist in real life.

When Ava's face got burned, didn't she go to a clinic in Russia, that Valentin arranged for her? (he forced her to do...... something....  to alienate Spencer in exchange).  But, am I remembering that correctly?  Russia?  or was that also Germany?

Daisy

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30 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

When Ava's face got burned, didn't she go to a clinic in Russia, that Valentin arranged for her? (he forced her to do...... something....  to alienate Spencer in exchange).  But, am I remembering that correctly?  Russia?  or was that also Germany?

it was the magic clinic in Germany , Ava went to. 

I saw the promo for this week. Hoo boy. 

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19 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Couldn’t possibly disagree more. CD could NOT act. Like he walked in green and never improved. I saw him when he guest starred on something and he was just as bad as on GH. I think Rory CAN act and is doing a fine job so far. He’s keeping an even keel, not going overboard with emotions.

I think Chad and Rory are both fine actors, but I'm curious which show you saw that Chad guest starred on. Wizards of Waverly Place? Arrow?

1 hour ago, sashabear21 said:

Once was when CD was playing him and SK came back as AJ, and then most of DG's time on the show because that hate-filled little rage monster was exactly the child that the criminal band of idiots who raised him deserved.  

I do miss Drew (irony) Garrett's take, where he was actually trying to be Mob Boss Junior. Have to do a mental exercise to imagine those scenes in the retroactive Other Darrin universe where now it was a younger Chad Duell or Rory Gibson doing and saying those things.

1 hour ago, MarciNJ said:

But, am I remembering that correctly?  Russia?  or was that also Germany?

35 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I saw the promo for this week. Hoo boy. 

My understanding is that she went to a clinic in Russia and the specialist who treated her had moved to Germany by the time Michael was burned.

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6 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I think part of the way to make Michael Carly/Jason more compelling is to have him them lose and not always win.  Seeing him them win all the time is boring.

Oh, Carly "lost" for about a minute, when she lost the hotel.  But she was given a free diner, then she got the hotel back.

Jason "lost" when he had to work for the Feds, but that seems to have faded away.  His exes and kids got over being left, again.  He's back to the same Larry Sue, that he has been for decades.

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I am very relieved that Tracy could not go through with saying that she drugged Drew. As always, good acting by JE.

As Carly was planning the christening including Michael's christening gown, I kept expected Michael to say "Sorry Mom but Sasha wants to make all the decisions so you can't do that." So much for Sasha being determined to keep everyone away.

Is Carly going to help Nina keep Willow, she she said she care about,  from marrying Drew? Or is she going to take her ball (Wylie and Amelia) and go home?

I liked Trina's look today.

I have no interest in Portia accusing Jordan of taking her husband and the Portia/Curtis/Jordan/Isaiah romantic quadrangle. You're the one who screwed up Portia, not Jordan stealing back the husband you stole from her.

2 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I watched Arrow and I have no memory of him being on it.  

But I don't find him memorable in general.

Season 8 Green Arrow and the Canaries, an episode in the future(possible pilot?) where Mia Queen and the Canaries fight a bad guy played by Duell. He wasn't the worst of Arrow's villains but he was very forgettable.

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12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

As Carly was planning the christening including Michael's christening gown, I kept expected Michael to say "Sorry Mom but Sasha wants to make all the decisions so you can't do that." So much for Sasha being determined to keep everyone away.

Literally Michael and Jason the other day about how "Carly won't like that" but how Jason will back Michael up in keeping his hellhound of a mother at bay and, oh look, Carly is planning the christening.  How totally on brand for Spineless Michael and Bulldozer Carly.

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Daisy

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heee. heee. heee. heee.
Oh Drew.  You can go up against  Sonny. You can go up against Michael. you can even go up against Ned. 

but you never. never. never, poke the bear that is Tracy Angelica Quatermaine.
Drew you were literally hoisted by your own petard. and that death stare at the end was like. "come at me, bruh. I can do this all day."

 

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Are Willow and Michael actually divorced?  I thought it was the divorce proceeding that Carly had asked the court to schedule, but all we saw was a custody hearing----which can apparently happen without a divorce, per my ten second google search.

Go Tracy!  I do like the nod to the show's history by remembering when she set Alexis up to believe she'd been driving drunk, even if it's not a good parallel to the accusation against her now. This time, she's the victim of the framing.

Isaiah has had chemistry with nearly everyone with whom he's been on screen---except Jordan and Portia.  He's a worthwhile character, and I hope the writers will save him by getting him out of that quadrangle.

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The long, agonizing Curtis/Jordan reminiscence about them taking down Hoffman was about as believable as my ex and I reminiscing about the time we were astronauts.

Why are they tarnishing Isaiah by having him go after a married woman?

Any time Carly talks about anyone else's "moral compass," it is a true lightning strike moment. 🌩️

 

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Cheyanne11

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6 minutes ago, JMO said:

Are Willow and Michael actually divorced?  I thought it was the divorce proceeding that Carly had asked the court to schedule, but all we saw was a custody hearing----which can apparently happen without a divorce, per my ten second google search.

The judge granted the divorce and then segued right into assets (Willow gets to keep their 'art collection,' lol) followed by the custody issue.

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10 minutes ago, JMO said:

Isaiah has had chemistry with nearly everyone with whom he's been on screen---except Jordan and Portia.  He's a worthwhile character, and I hope the writers will save him by getting him out of that quadrangle.

Isaiah is smart, sexy, very easy on the eyes and the actor has charisma. I have no idea why they are using him as an Agony Aunt and throwing him at the most chemistry-free partnerships, not to mention having him put on bandages and do scutt work instead of high level surgeries.

I was going to say it's because he's not a Corinthos and then I remember how much they have wasted DZ.

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2 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

He can't just take the win, he has to rub it in until it hurts. What an idiot.

 

seriously.  and i mean don't even get me started on the whole "yeah Q's are just soo. fractious and horrible and we soo lovee to involve the media and other people.," like. what other Q's do we know who do that? that's you, you doorknob. 

like he couldn't have channeled WikiDrew and realize how much that was going to backfire?

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Noneofyourbusiness

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20 hours ago, statsgirl said:

(possible pilot?) 

Yes, it was intended as a backdoor pilot (like The Flash's "Legends of Today" and Arrow's "Legends of Yesterday" were for Legends of Tomorrow) for a spinoff that would also have been called Green Arrow and the Canaries; it just wasn't picked up.

Kind of like how the Supernatural episodes "Bloodlines" and "Wayward Sisters" were supposed to be backdoor pilots but neither of those spinoffs was picked up either. Ironically, the one Supernatural spinoff that was picked up, The Winchesters, didn't have a backdoor pilot.

19 hours ago, Daisy said:

Tracy Angelica Quatermaine.

*sporfle* Angelica. Sure.

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I think RG has been a great replacement. His acting is fine, nothing outstanding but good enough and better than CD. However, I think he and KM have fantastic chemistry and to me it’s added a new layer to this storyline. I’m really hoping they’re going with Drew drugging Willow, this all being part of some cult shit, DID, all of the above lol. Give me some good soapy stuff. And after it’s all said and done, I wouldn’t mind seeing them work with their way back to each other. Sorry but RG and SM have a sibling type chemistry which, awkward. I’m no fan of Sasha but if they’re going to keep her around, I say chem test her with Isaiah. Maybe SW can pull some good love story out of SM because I have yet to see it.

Sorry but yes I want good old soapy love stories between actors with chemistry regardless of the storyline. It’s why I’ve been a soap fan forever! I’m a modern girl but again, this is a soap.

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17 minutes ago, PositiveBean said:

Sorry but yes I want good old soapy love stories between actors with chemistry regardless of the storyline. It’s why I’ve been a soap fan forever! I’m a modern girl but again, this is a soap.

I'm 100% with you on wanting a chemistry-laden romance to root for. But who?  There's not much potential on the canvas at the moment, unless Gio and Emma can grow into it--which I hope they will.  I'm a sucker for young love, but Trina/Kai and Joss/new guy aren't delivering.  I wouldn't mind Maxie getting a new love, or even Lulu, if they could manage to make her more likeable.  

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Isaiah and Molly! Give us Isaiah and Molly! That one ep with them on her birthday was oozing with oodles and oodles of chemistry.

Ava and Cody are striking like a box of matches! The screen lights up whenever those two are in a scene. Whatever the intent was, drop it, and have something real develop. These two work!

Gio and Emma. I wasn't sold in the beginning, but they've taken their time, and it worked. These two are adorable and have a lovely, light chemistry.

Lord, help me, but Michael and Willow. Chad and KmC didnt have a lick of chemistry, but she and Rory do. Go with the cult whatever with Drew, and work these two back together. The love is still there, and this time, so is the chemistry.

For the love of all that's holy get Maxie a real love interest and away from the criminal awful hitman-worshipping toad that is Spinelli.

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