Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, JMO said:

Well, I was right, then.  I don't like it.  Cody is a great example of the writers' inability to define a character and stick with it.  

he is useless

 

[Cheyanne11]

Wow, so Willow was so much worse than I even expected.  She didn't say to Michael that Wiley must've misunderstood Drew--no, no, she said he must've misunderstand something Michael or his family said.  So she cannot even imagine Drew saying *anything* nevermind exactly what he did.  She's hopeless.  And it really is low to use Michael's recovery against him.  Use WHY he needed said recovery, but him choosing the Germany clinic wasn't a sign he was a disinterested father.

[JMO]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

he is useless

 

I actually like Cody, when he is dispensing wisdom, or being a sounding board, or a really good friend.  But then the writers remember that they introduced him as a scoundrel, so we get an episode of drinking, or gambling.....and then he's back to being a good friend, and then he's back to scheming...... it's just annoying.  

[Daisy]

20 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Wow, so Willow was so much worse than I even expected.  She didn't say to Michael that Wiley must've misunderstood Drew--no, no, she said he must've misunderstand something Michael or his family said.  So she cannot even imagine Drew saying *anything* nevermind exactly what he did.  She's hopeless.  And it really is low to use Michael's recovery against him.  Use WHY he needed said recovery, but him choosing the Germany clinic wasn't a sign he was a disinterested father.

honestly. what frustrated me more is that they are heavy handing it to make that Michael gets full custody. theres no nuance at all. (and truthfully I can't even feel sorry for her at all because Willow was given the chance three times to have joint custody and she spat in the face of Carly (okay I would have too), Michael when he said pick the children over Drew (even though I don't like how he used it as a threat), and now today). 

but i've said this so many times. like it doesn't matter where Michael went to get treatment, it matters why.  honestly i i know they wanted to fling mud but once again (just like Scotty),Ric kept missing the target, (ihe hit it once). your thing needed to be how much in DANGER the children are. (and if willow had been smart, HAH she would have worked out some kind of immunity deal and tell the court EVERYTHING ILLEGAL Michael made her do but we can't have that). 

 

18 minutes ago, JMO said:

I actually like Cody, when he is dispensing wisdom, or being a sounding board, or a really good friend.  But then the writers remember that they introduced him as a scoundrel, so we get an episode of drinking, or gambling.....and then he's back to being a good friend, and then he's back to scheming...... it's just annoying.  

okay to be fair i don't mind him when he's like that either. but then i just remember how they warped history to make him Mac's kid and then i just hate him. (not his fault). 

Edited June 10 by Daisy

[Winston Wolfe]

On 6/8/2025 at 8:00 PM, Artsda said:

Anna does deserve to lose her job for all her running around with Jason. She's pathetic excuse of a police commissioner going to mobsters for help and then tells the warning to Sonny. 

Anna mentioned to Jasus that Brennan shouldn't try to deceive her because she's "good at her job." Ah..what job is that exactly?  She sucked as a "Super Spy" (honestly, even Joss is better) and she sucks as a Police Commissioner.

As a fan of all things Spencer, I'm still processing this whole Lucky thing. "It's almost too much to deal with" TM Anthony Soprano, Sr.

ETA - Where is Kristina getting money to pay Cody to do yardwork, let alone seduce/set-up Ava (speculation)?

Edited June 10 by Winston Wolfe

[Artsda]

Wow Willow didn't even care to talk or get Wiley version of the story. She instantly went to mindless defense of Drew by any means. 

I love recast Michael they did great job, that line with him wanting to remember this moment. 

Of course Brooklyn is all about blaming Lulu and claiming she'll never will learn. Everything has to go back to Lulu and not her own choices or her mother who did this. 

Nice of Gio the way he went to Kristina and for her to not push the I'm your aunt. It was there in the scene but not there with Gio caring. 

Rocco needs to focus on his own relationship with his brother and not fixing Gio relationships with everyone else. 

Brooklyn is calling up a lawyer over Lulu? This ridiculous. 

[Bringonthedrama]

4 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Lulu should have managed the revelation better, but Brook Lynn should know that pursuing a vendetta against her is only going to make things worse.

Yes Brook Lynn should know, but she's focused on punishing Lulu because Gio is hurting and doesn't want anything to do with her when she's desperate to have a parent-adult child relationship with him. She's deliberately ignoring the fact that Gio is so angry and hurt because she, Lois and Gloria treated his existence as a shameful secret, and years later she never put in effort to try to find him to be sure he was okay. Blaming Lulu and pursing a vendetta without holding herself accountable is taking the easy way out.

He has valid reasons for feeling she didn't want him. Those feelings about the choices Brook Lynn made and didn't make, don't have anything to do with Lulu. 

I thought GM did a good job with the looks of regret, upon reflecting on when Camila died and he wished he would have had a sibling or someone to lean on and go through it with, back then. Gio is entitled to be angry that because Brook Lynn, Lois and Gloria didn't want to be honest with family and Dante, he has lost more than a decade of having a brotherly relationship with Rocco. No matter what Brook Lynn says or does now, there is no fixing that or making up for it.

[absnow54]

3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

He must be ready to get the hell out of there after what they did with his return. Does this mean no Rocco all summer?! ☹️

Do you mean Aiden? Having Lucky whisk Aiden away for the summer sounds like a great opportunity for another recast. No offense to the current actor. They’ve made no effort to weave him into the Rocco/Danny teen scene, so I assume we shouldn’t get attached. 

59 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Nice of Gio the way he went to Kristina and for her to not push the I'm your aunt. It was there in the scene but not there with Gio caring. 

To me, the way the scene played out, it seemed like Kristina was too self centered to realize she was Gio’s aunt. 

[Daisy]

35 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She's deliberately ignoring the fact that Gio is so angry and hurt because she, Lois and Gloria treated his existence as a shameful secret, and years later she never put in effort to try to find him to be sure he was okay.

well she didn't. she gave him up. 

and hasn't she said that she was leaving it up for the child to seek her out because she assumed that the kid would have had a good life. why would she put effort into seeing if they were okay you'd assume the kid would be. 

[ciarra]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

3 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Based on the last scene with him and Kristina where she says she wants to pay him to do something and the snippet in the next time promo where she says she wants him to seduce someone, it looks like Kristina is going to offer to pay Cody to seduce Ava.

What would that do, though? Ava is not in a relationship with anyone

Molly could have a problem with it.  She still has some second hand hate for Ava, and Molly and Cody are close to becoming a couple.  Colly?

[TVbitch]

29 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

4 hours ago, TVbitch said:

He must be ready to get the hell out of there after what they did with his return. Does this mean no Rocco all summer?! ☹️

Do you mean Aiden? Having Lucky whisk Aiden away for the summer sounds like a great opportunity for another recast. No offense to the current actor. They’ve made no effort to weave him into the Rocco/Danny teen scene, so I assume we shouldn’t get attached. 

Thanks, I was discombobulated. But in my defense, a lot of those kids look alike and they are all somehow related, so I give myself a pass! I'm rescinding my ☹️ cuz I don't care that much about Aiden and indeed they haven't nailed that casting yet. Glad Rocco will be around! 

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

ETA - Where is Kristina getting money to pay Cody to do yardwork, let alone seduce/set-up Ava (speculation)?

Sonny gave her Charlie's. Maybe she's dipping into the till.

Another storyline going nowhere (What is it with all these eating places? Carly/Olivia own the Metro Court with restaurant, Sonny owns Perks and Krinstina now owns Charlie's.) I would much rather have seen her work at the youth centre she was building.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Rocco needs to focus on his own relationship with his brother and not fixing Gio relationships with everyone else. 

Brooklyn is calling up a lawyer over Lulu? This ridiculous. 

Yes, but it's understandable he would give it a try. No one likes to see two people they care about at odds.

I thought about it, and while nothing about the actual revelation is legally actionable, Lulu breaking into Martin's office is. That could be what Martin is talking about with Laura in the promo.

47 minutes ago, Daisy said:

well she didn't. she gave him up. 

And hid the fact she was pregnant from her father and grandmother, hence 'treating it as a shameful secret'.

[KerleyQ]

Kristina and BLQ should start hanging out. They've got a lot in common. 

Lord, this custody case is one of the least fun storylines a soap has done in quite a while. Who is enjoying this shit? When even Ric is thinking things are going too far, you know it's all shit. 

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

well she didn't. she gave him up. 

and hasn't she said that she was leaving it up for the child to seek her out because she assumed that the kid would have had a good life. why would she put effort into seeing if they were okay you'd assume the kid would be. 

 

27 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

And hid the fact she was pregnant from her father and grandmother, hence 'treating it as a shameful secret'.

Yes - What Noneofyourbusiness said, and also Brook Lynn flat-out said in a private conversation with Chase that she was "ashamed" of getting pregnant and that's why she kept it and the adoption a secret from everyone but her mother. 

Brook Lynn hoped her kid would have a good life and assumed he/she would come looking for her if they wanted to. I can understand why Gio would think that was just an excuse not to face her past. It's not uncommon in the last couple of decades for people to do DNA tests and seek out biological parents/children/family members for medical history/organ donation needs or desire for some kind of relationships; there's even been a reality TV show about this topic. 

Gio wanted some sign or evidence that Brook Lynn held him in her heart (like a locket with clipped baby hair), had looked for assurance that he was okay (i .e. not orphaned or ill), and/or had a desire for a relationship with him. When she couldn't say that, it reinforced his perception that she wanted to give him away and has always been ashamed.

[superdeluxe]

6 hours ago, JMO said:

Well, I was right, then.  I don't like it.  Cody is a great example of the writers' inability to define a character and stick with it.  

He is useless and is only around because he is a Friend of Frank.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I noticed there was some sound issues in the court hallway scenes again. Loud echoey sounds.

More and more, This iteration of Drew is coming off like an abusive partner; isolating Willow, manipulating, lying, anything and everything to keep her away from everyone but himself.

And though it's no use questioning it, but Ric is supposed to be Willow's attorney, not Drew's. So that little confab also made me hit my head on my desk. But hey, the SLS is one degree away from Mooby, who Ric hates, so of course he'll conspire with Drew.

And the SLS writing "that never happened" could mean he never refused to see Willow, or it could mean he thinks she never came to see him. But as others have stated, it's so easily proven. So Diane's Say Whuuuut? expression makes no sense since Jaysus did tell her that Willow did go to see him in Germany. 

Well, Alexis's warnings to Kristina fell on deaf ears.

As for Lucky, well. This is a shitty way for him to just leave so quickly, with no build up, and yeah, yeah, I read the article where he says it was because of the travel between his home and where the show is, blah, blah, blah. I'm ignorant, so I'm thinking, since this show does block taping, that could have resolved it, but it's done, so I'm not going to try and figure out and poke holes in his words, except to say that JJ isn't one to trash talk  anyone.

As for tears? Well, no, they weren't streaming down his face, but I did see them well up when he said "Good-bye Elizabeth" and I'm PEEVED we couldn't even get a kiss good-bye.

Then there's the FACT the writing just glosses over, no IGNORES, that for a good stretch of time, Lucky and Elizabeth were MARRIED AND HAPPY until  that stupid ass story of Vaughn's Lucky hurting his back and him having no insurance, drug addiction, the boinking with Maxie, which led to the one night stand between Elizabeth and Jaysus, and, etc., etc. which then led to the gross affair between Elizabeth and Nik.

The dialogue made it seem they fell in love as teenagers (which, no, show, Lucky fell in love with her AFTER her rape and he was helping her through it), and what? He came in and out of town, impregnated her with Aiden, and left again? I've said it before and now since he's leaving, it will be the last time I say it: this "wanderlust" and Port Charles not being his home, was the plot device used for his last departure when Jake was "killed" followed by "darkness" when he came back for a nano-second and returned a much alive Jake to Elizabeth. He was perfectly happy being domesticated when not played by JJ. And when JJ came back in 2009, Lucky's tech smarts also returned, instead of the beefy, duh? Brawn that was Greg Vaughn's Lucky, who couldn't tell the difference between a floppy drive and desk top.

There was more emotional punches with the scenes with Lulu. I don't guess JJ got to write these scenes like he and Tyler were able to re-write theirs when Tyler/Nik left or was it when JJ left? That last line of Nik with the Russian accent always slays me.

I BETTER see scenes with Isiaiah and Lucky, and for DAMNED SURE better see them with Lucky and Laura. And I also want a horsie.

[Daisy]

9 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

And hid the fact she was pregnant from her father and grandmother, hence 'treating it as a shameful secret'.

 

9 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Yes - What Noneofyourbusiness said, and also Brook Lynn flat-out said in a private conversation with Chase that she was "ashamed" of getting pregnant and that's why she kept it and the adoption a secret from everyone but her mother. 

 

this might sound pedentatic but I don't really know any average sixteen year old who would be jumping for joy that they got pregnant. You can be ashamed that you got pregnant and still not be ashamed to have the baby and give said baby a good life. (I feel). I also feel that outside of being ashamed (of being pregnant) a HUGE reason why she didn't tell Ned/Tracy was because they'd do what Lois did - find someway to raise the baby. Tracy flat out SAID that to Lois. 

I'm not going to chide Gio for feeling the way he feels right now but my hope is when he calms down he can listen to what she's saying. Just because the tools are there or it's a trend doesn't mean everyone leaps on that moving train. I can 100 percent buy that it hurt too much to even consider looking for her kid. I can buy that out of respect to the adoptive parents, she didn't want to go disrupt the kids life if the KID didn't want to know. And yeah she COULD have looked and then what? "Oh yah i looked but again i wanted to respect YOU and your ACTUAL parents so i didn't look?" 

again, i can really only speak for myself. 
I am not a tangible item sort of person. I barely have photos of any of my life experiences, I don't have trinkets and stuff from my childhood or really any keepsake. (mostly because in my twenties i moved all over the country/world, and it just was bothersome). I have them in my heart though. so for me. if I got pregnant, and gave up the child, no I wouldn't have any of those things to be all "oh yah i had the baby and look see, souvenirs!" and i'd be kinda irked that people would think I didn't care simply because I didn't have them.

i just feel [again even taking Gio's feelings into account] a lot of people right now are judging BLQ for putting the baby up for adoption and actually respecting the decision to keep it closed and leaving it up to the child to seek her out, versus her going "oh well I wanted it closed but let me like. insert myself into the picture so everyone knows I really cared anyway." which doesn't seem very fair to me. 

[VioletMarx]

Did they actually send Lucky away without a scene with Laura??

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

Did they actually send Lucky away without a scene with Laura??

We'll find out today. Since Laura is supposed to be on-the previews only showed that Martin is back and he was saying something to Laura.

[MarciNJ]

12 hours ago, Artsda said:

Nice of Gio the way he went to Kristina and for her to not push the I'm your aunt. It was there in the scene but not there with Gio caring.

LOL, I guess that makes Donna and Avery his aunts as well.   This show.....

Lets see - Michael would be his uncle, making Wylie/Amelia/Daisy  his cousins.   I'm getting a headache, and I've only just started to think about this.

[dubbel zout]

14 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And it really is low to use Michael's recovery against him.  Use WHY he needed said recovery, but him choosing the Germany clinic wasn't a sign he was a disinterested father.

It's beyond stupid to use Michael's recovery against him. It's the same "logic" Ric used when he tried to get custody of Molly while Alexis had lung cancer for five seconds. It makes absolutely no sense. But of course, none of this makes any sense.

10 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Gio wanted some sign or evidence that Brook Lynn held him in her heart (like a locket with clipped baby hair), had looked for assurance that he was okay (i .e. not orphaned or ill), and/or had a desire for a relationship with him. When she couldn't say that, it reinforced his perception that she wanted to give him away and has always been ashamed.

Maybe if he gave her more than a minute to explain things, he'd get some sort of answer. There's been no scene where Gio and BL have sat down and talked about how things happened.

[Daisy]

18 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Maybe if he gave her more than a minute to explain things, he'd get some sort of answer. There's been no scene where Gio and BL have sat down and talked about how things happened.

from what i've seen heard, he's still all grr arg, lied to (which is valid because he can't take it out on the one person who lied, because she's dead), but then he doesn't hear exactly what he wants and stomps off. 

right now the writing seems very Young Adult novel, and not a good one either. 

[Pingaponga]

I kind of feel someone need to point out to Gio that Brook Lynn actually had a third option between keeping him and giving him up for adoption. She could have terminated the pregnancy, but chose not to do so.

[ByaNose]

Can Brook Lynn just leave. It’s not Lulu’s fault that you had a kid & decided to give it up for “adoption”. Now, you’re going to sue her for something?! Really? Ugh! She is soooooo annoying. 

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I noticed there was some sound issues in the court hallway scenes again. Loud echoey sounds.

More and more, This iteration of Drew is coming off like an abusive partner; isolating Willow, manipulating, lying, anything and everything to keep her away from everyone but himself.

And though it's no use questioning it, but Ric is supposed to be Willow's attorney, not Drew's. So that little confab also made me hit my head on my desk. But hey, the SLS is one degree away from Mooby, who Ric hates, so of course he'll conspire with Drew.

And the SLS writing "that never happened" could mean he never refused to see Willow, or it could mean he thinks she never came to see him. But as others have stated, it's so easily proven. So Diane's Say Whuuuut? expression makes no sense since Jaysus did tell her that Willow did go to see him in Germany. 

Well, Alexis's warnings to Kristina fell on deaf ears.

As for Lucky, well. This is a shitty way for him to just leave so quickly, with no build up, and yeah, yeah, I read the article where he says it was because of the travel between his home and where the show is, blah, blah, blah. I'm ignorant, so I'm thinking, since this show does block taping, that could have resolved it, but it's done, so I'm not going to try and figure out and poke holes in his words, except to say that JJ isn't one to trash talk  anyone.

As for tears? Well, no, they weren't streaming down his face, but I did see them well up when he said "Good-bye Elizabeth" and I'm PEEVED we couldn't even get a kiss good-bye.

Then there's the FACT the writing just glosses over, no IGNORES, that for a good stretch of time, Lucky and Elizabeth were MARRIED AND HAPPY until  that stupid ass story of Vaughn's Lucky hurting his back and him having no insurance, drug addiction, the boinking with Maxie, which led to the one night stand between Elizabeth and Jaysus, and, etc., etc. which then led to the gross affair between Elizabeth and Nik.

The dialogue made it seem they fell in love as teenagers (which, no, show, Lucky fell in love with her AFTER her rape and he was helping her through it), and what? He came in and out of town, impregnated her with Aiden, and left again? I've said it before and now since he's leaving, it will be the last time I say it: this "wanderlust" and Port Charles not being his home, was the plot device used for his last departure when Jake was "killed" followed by "darkness" when he came back for a nano-second and returned a much alive Jake to Elizabeth. He was perfectly happy being domesticated when not played by JJ. And when JJ came back in 2009, Lucky's tech smarts also returned, instead of the beefy, duh? Brawn that was Greg Vaughn's Lucky, who couldn't tell the difference between a floppy drive and desk top.

There was more emotional punches with the scenes with Lulu. I don't guess JJ got to write these scenes like he and Tyler were able to re-write theirs when Tyler/Nik left or was it when JJ left? That last line of Nik with the Russian accent always slays me.

I BETTER see scenes with Isiaiah and Lucky, and for DAMNED SURE better see them with Lucky and Laura. And I also want a horsie.

I'll just keep saying that it would be nice if the story turned out being about Willow being a former cult member and still being pliable to a manipulator. And her getting some therapy and learning to be on her own for a while, instead of turning her life over to men. 

And between Ric and Diane, they're both keeping shit from their clients, the ones they're supposed to have a relationship with.  Ric should absolutely tell Willow every word of what happened at the hospital, and he should have told her about Michael/Sasha instead of letting her find out in court. Diane should have told Michael that Willow tried to see him and was told he refused to see her. Diane also should have been communicating with Michael while he was in Germany, instead of just letting Carly file shit on his behalf without his knowledge. 

With Liz/Lucky, I will still never get over the show telling us, back then, that a nurse and cop didn't have insurance. If they really needed it to be a financial issue, they could have said he needed some kind of experimental treatment that their insurance wouldn't cover, or some such shit. But a nurse and a cop not having insurance? Absurd. 

Also, the whole "wanderlust" thing being the reason he's leaving now is even shittier than usual. Because he seems like it's not really what he wants, but that he's doing it because it's what Liz expects/fears he will do. It's such a stupid exit. If Lucky loves Liz and wants a life with her, the best way to get past the hurdle of her fearing he's just going to up and leave town one day is to not leave town. Stay and show her he's happy to settle in Port Charles and build a life there. Of course, the show has fucked up pretty much his whole return, so it's no shock they're fucking up his exit, too. (An exit that might not have even been necessary if they hadn't fucked up his return). 

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, VioletMarx said:

Did they actually send Lucky away without a scene with Laura??

 

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

We'll find out today. Since Laura is supposed to be on-the previews only showed that Martin is back and he was saying something to Laura.

Lucky has not left yet. Elizabeth said he had to go say good-bye to people - she didn't say "your sister." The promo for this week shows Lucky saying good-bye to his friend Isaiah Gannon. 

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Maybe if he gave her more than a minute to explain things, he'd get some sort of answer. There's been no scene where Gio and BL have sat down and talked about how things happened.

He got the answers he wanted from her, the night of the Nurses Ball and then in the confrontation in the kitchen. She confirmed that she never tried to find him, and then in the kitchen she confirmed it was her choice to give him up when she was a teenager. When she didn't say "Ma and Grandma Gloria took you away from me" and he knows she kept it all a secret, he hears: "I didn't want anyone to know I had a baby, I was ashamed, and I felt I couldn't handle being a teenage mother." He hears that Brook Lynn wasn't willing and didn't even consider sacrificing anything for love of her child. The fact that Brook Lynn didn't choose abortion doesn't really mean anything because Lois has mentioned praying etc. and Olivia has referenced rosary beads and praying, strongly implying their families in Bensonhurst are Catholic. Many Catholics believe abortion is the ultimate sin. I just assumed Brook Lynn was raised to believe abortion should never be considered unless the pregnant woman was dying. 

Not to mention it's well known that Brook Lynn had a thriving music career as a young woman; Lois brought up Brook Lynn's "great life" just before Gio walked into the kitchen.  It's got to sting for him that Brook Lynn gave him up and then went on to enjoy being a singer for however many years in the public eye. 

[dubbel zout]

4 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

He got the answers he wanted from her, the night of the Nurses Ball and then in the confrontation in the kitchen.

Everyone's emotions were still extremely raw. BL was fighting on two fronts, as it were—with Gio and with Lois and Gloria. It would be worth having a conversation now that things have calmed down somewhat. Nothing is going to change if they don't talk it out at some point. 

[Pingaponga]

Given that Chase and Brook-Lynn were talking again about adoption, I'm getting more and more nervous that something will happen to Finn and they'll end up with Violet. 

[statsgirl]

What an awful waste of JJ. 

Today was the Diane i absolutely hate. The show thinks that they are so clever showing what a good lawyer she is but really she comes across as a piece of garbage.

Good for Willow pointing out that Michael telling her that she can see her kids if she gives up Drew is controlling. Too bad it goes nowhere, just as no one replied to Diane when she talked about Willow and Drew having sex in the nursery that was that worse than Michael taking Sasha to a hotel room earlier.

In terms of story, it would be much better if Willow gets sole custody and Michael and Carly have to scheme to get access to the kids. If Michael gets custody it's same old, same old.

Why is Lucky giving the deed to The Cabin Luke Built to Isaiah? Shouldn't Rocco or the invisible Charlotte get first dibs on that?

Isaiah: "You and your sister got me back in the OR."  {Me: which we have never seen you in since.]

Kristina has come up with some stupid plans but getting Cody to seduce her is a new low.

Maura West looked fantastic in those pants today. She's 53 and has five children, she deserves all the praise.

It is ridiculous that all three of Martin's ex wives could take all his money and put a lien on future earnings. It's not 1930, not that it happened even then. How stupid does the show think we are? [/rhetorical question]

Oh help, they are going to try to make Tracy/Martin happen. Please, just say no.

14 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Gio wanted some sign or evidence that Brook Lynn held him in her heart (like a locket with clipped baby hair), had looked for assurance that he was okay (i .e. not orphaned or ill), and/or had a desire for a relationship with him. When she couldn't say that, it reinforced his perception that she wanted to give him away and has always been ashamed.

I understand why Gio would feel that way but Brook Lynn answered that today when she said "Never mind everything that I had to bury so deep just to make it bearable." It was because Brook Lynn wanted to hold him in her heart that she didn't keep a locket or or looked for him.

17 hours ago, Artsda said:

Wow Willow didn't even care to talk or get Wiley version of the story. She instantly went to mindless defense of Drew by any means. 

Wylie was across town at the hospital or at Carly's and Michael was demanding an immediate answer.

[Bringonthedrama]

The best moments of today's episode IMO were:

-Martin's face when he and Laura spoke briefly of Lulu. I LOLed that he looked like he had tasted something disgusting.

-Tracy's reactions to Brook Lynn describing her. Tracy had all the best lines of the day to Brook Lynn. JE is such a gem!!

- Laura saw Lucky's face and heard the word "disappoint" and knew - because she knows her son.

I wonder if JJ's direction for the Isaiah good-bye scenes were "lean as hard as you can into being Luke Spencer without actually breaking any bones." Um Lucky, did you even consider asking your nephew/Luke's other grandson if he wanted the cabin? I hate that Lucky never had a single scene with (conscious) Lulu, Rocco and Charlotte. Or with either of his step parents. 

Cody and Molly are getting closer, yet he was totally cool with the (mistaken) idea of seducing her mother?! And he  is willing to see if her dad's lover is seduce-able? Ewwwww!!! 

Edited June 10 by Bringonthedrama

[KittenPokerCheater]

16 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Maura West looked fantastic in those pants today. She's 53 and has five children, she deserves all the praise.

She has had five children?  My jaw droppeth to the floor.  She looks fabulous.

[statsgirl]

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And though it's no use questioning it, but Ric is supposed to be Willow's attorney, not Drew's. So that little confab also made me hit my head on my desk.

Good point. I totally missed that. The bro club, working against Willow's best interests.

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

Given that Chase and Brook-Lynn were talking again about adoption, I'm getting more and more nervous that something will happen to Finn and they'll end up with Violet. 

I really hope not. We need Finn back for Liz. There's no one else on the canvas and she deserves a good relationship.

17 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

She has had five children?  My jaw droppeth to the floor.  She looks fabulous.

One from her first marriage, four from her second. She must have a portrait in the attic somewhere.

Edited June 10 by statsgirl

[Cheyanne11]

38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

In terms of story, it would be much better if Willow gets sole custody and Michael and Carly have to scheme to get access to the kids. If Michael gets custody it's same old, same old.

I would think if Michael gets custody it's going to send Drew even more over-the-edge and HE'LL be the one scheming.

[Bringonthedrama]

6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I was in Catholic school in the 60s and no one I knew except the nuns thought that way about abortion (if they even did). It's as much a stereotype as Olivia's ziti.

I don't consider it to be a stereotype (well maybe of Bensonhurst, but not of Catholics.) For example, I used to be friends with a woman, now in her late 50s, who absolutely thought this way and so did her family. Another example is I have an aunt through marriage (she recently turned 70) who grew up as a conservative Catholic and is very anti-abortion. She got pregnant as a teenager and was very determined to have the baby and raise him (which she did; he's my cousin's elder half-brother and they are close). 

[Daisy]

You know, as much as Willow is being emotionally manipulated by Drew - thank heaven she finally brought up what I was screaming at my television. If someone had said that to Carly, Carly would have burnt the world to the ground before she did a moonwalk over the ashes. What willow should have said also was even if I said yes I'm chosing my children beause I will ALWAYS  choose my children before their father, any anyone else who comes into my life - he wanted to control me and my actions. And who is to say when the children are older and they start doing what he perceives is wrong, that he won't do the same thing.  

Michael weaponized her upbringing [which he had NO issues when they were married to get her to do what he wanted], willow should have thrown down too. They had sex. omg they had sex in the nursery. WHO CARES. Scout was wherever, and the children were sleeping in their own beds. and I refuse to believe thank you very much that they are going to be all "oh yah we only have sex in our bedroom, with the door locked so no one can see." 

Willow's biggest mistake was using Michael's care against him. he needed to focus on the danger. and this happens every time. You can't be half pregnant show. you can not have the danger clear and present, and then have everyone ignore it. And also I HATE Diane when she's in the court room. she sucks. 
 

[dubbel zout]

Be patient, Cody. Soon enough Kristina will need a new bartender at Charlie's.

LOL at Kristina saying she's thought things through and isn't being impulsive.

I'm glad to see MEK back, but it's so obvious they have as little idea of what to do with Martin as they do with everyone else. Trouble with his three ex-wives? Way to keep that misogyny front and center, Show.

The Tracy/BL scenes were excellent, of course. JE not only raises the bar for acting, she seems to give the writers a reason to step up, too. 

[Perkie]

57 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I hate that Lucky never had a single scene with (conscious) Lulu,

He had the goodbye scene with her.  Does that count?  Eh, he barely had any scenes with Liz and they were supposedly in a heavy duty relationship that caused him to propose to her.  So, there's that!!

40 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

We need Finn back for Liz. There's no one else on the canvas and she deserves a good relationship.

There is Dante.   Cody was for either Lulu or Molly, and it looks like they're throwing Isaiah at Portia.  So Dante it is.  

17 hours ago, absnow54 said:

No offense to the current actor. They’ve made no effort to weave him into the Rocco/Danny teen scene,

NuAiden actor is so much older that they can't have him in scenes with Rocco and Danny, who look like the teenagers that they are, because it would be even more glaring.  

[statsgirl]

Am I the only one who remembers that Willow and Michael had sex in Wylie's room when she was painting it and they weren't married yet? Of course, that was good because he's Michael.

16 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I would think if Michael gets custody it's going to send Drew even more over-the-edge and HE'LL be the one scheming.

No, just no. He's already understudying Snidely Whiplash.

14 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I don't consider it to be a stereotype (well maybe of Bensonhurst, but not of Catholics.) For example, I used to be friends with a woman, now in her late 50s, who absolutely thought this way and so did her family. Another example is I have an aunt through marriage (she recently turned 70) who grew up as a conservative Catholic and is very anti-abortion

Acknowledged.

My best friend had an abortion in the mid 70s, 25 years before Brook Lynn got pregnant, and no one thought anything of it.

From what Brook Lynn has said, I got the feeling that she ruled out abortion because of her feelings for the fetus rather than because it was against her religion.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Am I the only one who remembers that Willow and Michael had sex in Wylie's room when she was painting it and they weren't married yet? Of course, that was good because he's Michael.

They were married. It was the Marriage of Convenience, and they suddenly realized they wuved each other. And Chase walked in, thinking to tell her the truth about what he and Sasha had set up.

[Bringonthedrama]

5 minutes ago, Perkie said:

He had the goodbye scene with her.  Does that count?  Eh, he barely had any scenes with Liz and they were supposedly in a heavy duty relationship that caused him to propose to her. 

I meant even a single scene of Lucky with Lulu and her son or both kids, or Uncle Lucky, Laura, Lulu and the two kids while they were all together in Laura's home. I hate that he had a couple of scenes with Josslyn, but not a single conversation with Rocco and /or Charlotte. I don't consider Rocco running out of the room upon overhearing Uncle Lucky saying he can't be Lulu's donor, to be a real uncle-nephew scene.

[Cheyanne11]

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

39 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I would think if Michael gets custody it's going to send Drew even more over-the-edge and HE'LL be the one scheming.

No, just no. He's already understudying Snidely Whiplash.

And you think that's going to end?  The show seems to be leaning into this more and more every day.

[driver18]

3 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

Given that Chase and Brook-Lynn were talking again about adoption, I'm getting more and more nervous that something will happen to Finn and they'll end up with Violet. 

I thought that was another big part of why they screwed over Finn horribly last time and threw Violet with them, completely ignoring her relationship with Elizabeth. That's right, her Aunt Elizabeth, who already had the legal right to take care of Violet should something happen to Finn.

When Finn was worried he would go to jail the year or so before, he and Elizabeth made each other the legal guardians for their kids just in case something happened to either one of them. But, hey, why would the writers bother remembering anything like that when they have a character and a couple to destroy?

And the couple they did.... for the reunion of Elizabeth and Lucky. :Sigh:

[TVbitch]

I hope Ava chews Cody up and spits him out. So he's back to scamming and lying for cash again. Mac will be so proud. I mean, Ava's no saint, but she doesn't pretend to be.  

Poor Kevin. Yet another member of Laura's family moves in, and she doesn't even bother to consult him. No wonder he moved ..beyond the gates.

[ciarra]

5 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I hope Ava chews Cody up and spits him out. So he's back to scamming and lying for cash again.

What's his motivation here?  If he were a compulsive gambler, yes, I could see it.  But he has a steady job, with a place to live.  Thrill-seeker?  Life is too boring without the hustle?

[JMO]

Ugh.  This show. 

Lucky saying his goodbyes like he's terminal instead of a plane ride away. 

Cody forgetting he's got a good heart and actually likes Kristina's sister Molly, now agreeing to seduce the older woman dating Molly's father.

For that matter, Kristina becoming less direct and more diabolical in her revenge plotting.  

Brook Lynn going after Lulu for finding out something that BL herself had given up on finding out. 

The unattractive augur of a love/hate relationship between Tracy and Martin.  DO NOT RUIN TRACY!

Everyone and every plot in Drew's sphere of influence. 

I'm running out of people to root for, which is the same as running out of reasons to watch.  Trying to hang in for whenever the Monica story comes.

 

[dubbel zout]

16 minutes ago, ciarra said:

What's his motivation here?  If he were a compulsive gambler, yes, I could see it.  But he has a steady job, with a place to live.  Thrill-seeker?  Life is too boring without the hustle?

I think it's a combo platter, with money having the edge at the moment. He tried to get Carly to do that singles-night thing at the pool with him getting a big cut of any room rates, and his first mention to Kristina was as a bartender at Charlie's. (Hang in there, Cody; an opening should be avaiable really soon!)

I wonder if Cody will try to seduce Ava. I also can't see Ava taking it seriously.

[Daisy]

what is the point of having Cody seduce Ava?

[Nique]

On 6/7/2025 at 9:10 PM, Maelstrom said:

Having all the money in the world to hire an army of nannies and governesses means nothing if someone isn’t emotionally and mentally mature enough to be a parent. I say good on teen BLQ for recognizing that she wasn’t ready, and putting the best interests of her child before herself.

Exactly I don't know where folks are getting this Brooklyn was rich she comes from money she had all the money at her disposal from. It's like folks are talking out of their ass, assuming, projecting have not seen Brooklyn besides as a adult, don't know Lois history with the Qs & why she raised Brooklyn in bensonhurst. You see all kinds of stories of rich kids who feel neglected, unloved despite parents having all the money in the world to raise them.

Money by it self doesn't raise a child. Throwing money at a problem doesn't fix it. Money isn't a substitute for not being a parent, for not being emotionally ready, for being responsible. Money doesn't replace the time, love responsibility attention patience, understanding, dedication that's required be a parent.

[Melgaypet]

32 minutes ago, Daisy said:

what is the point of having Cody seduce Ava?

Cody seduces Ava, Cody dumps Ava, Ava...is sad about this? Revenge!

Kristina is an embarrassment.