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So the two mobsters are the most generous and altruistic people in Port Charles.  Right.  Definitely too much of each of them today.

Jane Elliot was pitch perfect in every one of her scenes today, and each made me tear up. Also loved Laura and Alexis, and Felicia remembering Bobbie.  I suppose they made decent use of Lucy's history of the Nurses' Ball, but I would have preferred more memories of what took place inside the hospital, and all of the doctors and nurses who have come and gone. Lucky could have at least wheeled Liz out of her room to join the celebration.

I laughed when Maxie said she'd brought gifts for all of the nurses at GH, and there were all of 6 bags on the table (with two left over to give to Felicia and Stella, no less).  Reminded me of how our hospital used to celebrate Nurses' Week, except they would have expected the nurses to share among each other, and there wouldn't have been anything expensive in the bags.

 

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Apologies to those who liked today's episode but for me it was pretty meh. There were a couple of genuine tearful moments but overall, most of it felt hollow and empty. Would it have killed them to show a few flashbacks? It's tv, not radio. 

Lucy being Lucy made me smile for a minute until I could grab the remote to FF most of her and Sidwell. Never change, Lucy. 

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Sonny: "I had a lot of conversations with God in this chapel."  Me: They didn't seem to do any good, did they?

I think those conversations were very one-sided. I can't think of any time that Sonny returned to thank God for answering his prayers, and Sonny hasn't seen fit to change his ways, even when his requests (I don't think I would call them "prayers" or even "conversations") were met.

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Sorry, but I was expecting WAY more than a commercial for Sonny with pretty much everyone singing his praises. And how fooking thoughtful he won't name the new cardiac wing after himself, so Monica doesn't have to be "tied" to his name. Yeah, I think she will always be tied to your name asshole, being that you killed AJ, stole his son, ruined Jason, soiled Emily, and so on.  

And while I'm pissed off, can they do right by LC and properly see her off, already?! They are turning Monica into Chuck from Happy Days. And it's becoming a joke.

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Gah! I’m halfway thru todays show and I swear if I took a shot every time someone said cardiac care center, I’d be drunk after the first 5 minutes. And while I appreciate the occasional stand alone episode, this one just feels out of place after what happened yesterday. 

also, can the nurses ball finally just DIE? PLEASE????

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44 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Would it have killed them to show a few flashbacks? It's tv, not radio. 

I thought the same. I expected a flashback of Monica and Bobbie at some point, of Alan and Monica when Tracy spoke of them, and a flashback of young Laura at the hospital when she included in her speech that she started out as a candy striper there. Sheesh!!!

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1 hour ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Please tell me Sonny's anonymous donation wasn't to Monica's wing. Please tell it was only updates to Stone's wing or event the Nurse's Ball. I don't want Sonny or Carly anywhere near Monica, even in something named after her, after all the horrible things they did to her. Neither of them should be there for the unveiling. 

Unfortunately the impression was that Sonny paid for Monica's wing. And not only were Sonny and Carly there but so was Donna.

13 minutes ago, Daisy said:

honestly, I dont know why any hospital would want to take money from mobsters. like seriously. 

It's next door to money laundering, they get their souls cleansed in exchange for the donation. At least the money was given to the hospital and not the church Godfather-style.

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I don’t know why but I was expecting a real tribute to Monica/LC. Like, when Tracy stepped foot off the elevator, I thought she was going to announce that Monica had passed. Instead, we get the whole ‘respiratory issues’ and can’t be around people, as the reason for her absence. There’s certainly been enough of a time lapse since LC’s death for them to put together a real memorial episode, but instead we get a Sonny tongue bath because he donated the wing in Monica’s name. How generous of him to not put his own name on it 🙄

Was it Laura who proudly announced that thanks to the new wing, the residents of PC can get the care they can’t get anywhere else? I hope she meant in PC because you know, there are LOTS of world class cardiac hospitals just in the US. And none f them are in PC!

so now Sidwell is underwriting the entire Nurses Ball. And I’m sure he’ll want his name above the title as well. Spare me. 

as others have said, would it have killed them to show a few flashbacks? There wasn’t even a mention of Steve, Jesse, Gail or anyone else except the brief convo between Tracy and Ned.

I’m likely wishing on a star but i hope Frank actually does a proper tribute to LC at some point.

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it cracks me up we've heard nothing about a new wing at GH until today. No mention of construction noise, dust, etc. Just a fully operational cardiac care center, sprung like Athena from the head of Zeus.

I know all of this was in the works before Leslie Charleson died, but that doesn't excuse the episode being a giant hand job to Sonny. UGH.

If Amy is so good at avoiding work, why is she still working at GH? That doesn't sound like someone who should be at a world-class hospital. (Ahem.)

I like the idea of Sidwell underwriting the Nurses Ball only because it cuts Sonny off at the knees.

Sonny says that Stone changed his life. How? He was a murderous thug before Stone died and he's still a murderous thug.

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2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

also, can the nurses ball finally just DIE? PLEASE????

Yes! Please!

Also? I hope, when the day finally comes and Sonny Corinthos departs this vale of tears, we do not see his picture up on that wall. Or any wall. Well, unless it's a wanted poster. That is all I could think when anyone was in front of it. Oh, and also, how handsome Stuart Damon was.

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3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

as others have said, would it have killed them to show a few flashbacks? There wasn’t even a mention of Steve, Jesse, Gail or anyone else except the brief convo between Tracy and Ned.

I think the 60th anniversary episode, two years ago, was much better with history. I remember it because JZ/Bobbie was in the episode talking to Maxie about Jesse and Elizabeth spent time at The Wall with her grandfather's portrait. I think there was a flashback today of Bobbie bringing up Jesse to Maxie?

15 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I think there was a flashback today of Bobbie bringing up Jesse to Maxie?

There were no flashbacks. Except for showing Lucy in a number of gowns from past Nurses Balls.

And Laura must have been out of town when both Monica and Bobbie conspired with Cujo, to lock Nelle on the roof because she didn’t want Wiley operated on. Is that what Laura meant when she said the hospital took care of people, even with those they didn’t get along with?

Today just felt like one long infomercial about doctors, nurses, and hospitals. Should have had a Lesley and Monica flashback when Tracy mentioned how they didn’t always get along; of Monica, Steve, Audrey, Jessie, Ann, Noah, Gail, Lee, Tony. Edward, Lila, Bobbie…if only to show how they ran the hospital.

And since it was an anniversary-why not have the whole cast there, instead a handful plus some day players?

Add me to the chorus that it was MAC who took care of Robin! Mooby just took Stone in. So please shut it, Anna. Since you weren’t there, you don’t know.

For a moment, I thought we’d get a flashback to when Felicia leaned Maxie got BJ’s heart.

So is Kevin now going to always be an offscreen husband?

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5 hours ago, JMO said:

Reminded me of how our hospital used to celebrate Nurses' Week, except they would have expected the nurses to share among each other, and there wouldn't have been anything expensive in the bags.

Our hospital did pizza for the nurses at super inconvenient times for the nurses to run to the cafeteria to get pizza (plus the pizza was terrible).  

I'm so glad to hear that Sonny respects the hell out of Monica after he murdered one of her sons and groomed the other one to be a hitman. 

So no mention of Liz? I mean her grandparents were pillars of the hospital and she's head nurse but nothing? Seriously? 

When Mac grabbed Tracy's shoulder during the unveiling I have a feeling that was an unscripted friendship moment between JJY and JE and it was awesome!

I hope whatever shot Donna was getting was a booster for whatever terrible outbreak we have next. 

 

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And Laura must have been out of town when both Monica and Bobbie conspired with Cujo, to lock Nelle on the roof because she didn’t want Wiley operated on. Is that what Laura meant when she said the hospital took care of people, even with those they didn’t get along with?

Laura was in town. She got shot on the docks at the end of January 2020. Nelle objected to the surgery/Bobbie and Monica conspired in March 2020. Between recovering, spending time with Lulu and the grandkids, etc. I don't know that she ever heard about it. 

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The 62nd anniversary episode was basically a stand alone episode. Like, was there any mention of Head Nurse Elizabeth Webber on deaths door down the hall? 

Jane Elliott, Genie Francis and Nancy Lee Grahn were great, as usual. Of course, they can cannot have an anniversary show without Bernard and Wright. I think it’s against the law or something. Overall, it was a meh episode. Hopefully, they put a lot of care and effort into the passing of Monica. They usually do a good job when a cast member has passed so I’m not too worried about it.

So what’s the over/under we ever see the cardiac wing ever again? That couch and two chairs are expensive. LOL!!!

 

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6 hours ago, ByaNose said:

The 62nd anniversary episode was basically a stand alone episode. Like, was there any mention of Head Nurse Elizabeth Webber on deaths door down the hall?

 

Or Anna having a sweet, chat with Robin, where she asked her mom to give Sonny a kiss, after Anna sent Robin's daughter to spend a night in jail... Just a weird disconnect.

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9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

So is Kevin now going to always be an offscreen husband?

I imagine so. I mean BTG tapes in Atlanta. Certainly not impossible to get back to LA but it’s not like GH was using Lindstrom for anything anyway. I’m absolutely thrilled that MVJ wanted him on BTG. Loving his Joey Armstrong. ❤️

 

7 hours ago, ByaNose said:

what’s the over/under we ever see the cardiac wing ever again? That couch and two chairs are expensive

Well Sonny needs heart surgery, and apparently this new center provides care that can’t be done anywhere else! Of course if they kill Ric to give Sonny his heart, I will be on the next flight to LA hunting down Frank. Maybe Sonny can get HIS heart instead. 🤣

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11 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Laura was in town. She got shot on the docks at the end of January 2020. Nelle objected to the surgery/Bobbie and Monica conspired in March 2020. Between recovering, spending time with Lulu and the grandkids, etc. I don't know that she ever heard about it. 

Yeah, but WE, the viewers were there, and of course Cujo with her tone-deafness and don't give a  shit wouldn't blink and didn't blink an eye at it. It was just so....Kumbaya-ish. I would rather have seen flashbacks of Monica, Lesley, Alan, Steve, and Rick, and Bobbie being awesome!

9 hours ago, ByaNose said:

The 62nd anniversary episode was basically a stand alone episode. Like, was there any mention of Head Nurse Elizabeth Webber on deaths door down the hall? 

No. And she's not at death's door. She's stabilized, woke up. She just needs surgery for her leg. Isaiah was also missing, along with Lucas, and the other regular day player doctors and surgeons.

Never change cheapo Franko!

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11 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

I'm so glad to hear that Sonny respects the hell out of Monica after he murdered one of her sons and groomed the other one to be a hitman. 

"I donated all of the cash for this wonderful cardiac care center in your honor, so please stop talking about how I done your family wrong, okay? Just get over it."

11 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

When Mac grabbed Tracy's shoulder during the unveiling I have a feeling that was an unscripted friendship moment between JJY and JE and it was awesome!

I loved that too. 

9 hours ago, ByaNose said:

So what’s the over/under we ever see the cardiac wing ever again?

I think we'll see it quite a bit; Frank mentions in a few articles that he wants to use it as a major set because it's so bright and airy. It's like how everything in the warmer weather happens at the MC pool. They paid for it, dammit, and they're going to get their money's worth! All snark aside, I do think it's a gorgeous space.

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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 I meant Lucas!

Yes, Lucas missing from the GH Anniversary episode was very glaring.  Sonny can go to The Wall and look at "old friend" Epiphany's picture and have a conversation there with Alexis, but the Show can't take a few minutes for nuLucas to look at his parents' photos on The Wall and have cousin Maxie decide to join him for a moment of reflection on Bobbie and Tony's/the hospital's history?! C'mon!!

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The one good line I heard today was Diane pointing out to Jason that Carly has made bad choices for decades.

Hey Sonny, nice of you to talk to Laura like you've haven't known "his daughter" since she was a baby and like you're unaware/don't care that she's already lost a child and her sister.  Such low life scum.

Are we even going to see Elizabeth and Lucky again this week?

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Had to laugh at Jason taking it so personally that Lucas may not differentiate his bad guy status from Brennan's bad guy status.  Thought it was interesting, and weird, that the hierarchy and categorization of bad guys seemed to be a theme of the episode.

Hoping it will prove to be a good thing that Anna has something, and someone, else to think about besides Valentin, Charlotte and Jason.  Can't help but wonder if the AAG, who wanted to be unnecessarily aggressive with Emma because she's Anna's granddaughter, realizes that Emma is also the granddaughter of Robert Scorpio, the AG. her boss.  If TR is up to it, we need Robert back yesterday.

Ezra was right about Laura and Sonny, and I liked that he chose to emphasize all the good she could do, rather than cutting her down.  Maybe he's not as slimy as he comes across, although DC's tendency to rub his hands together like Snidely Whiplash gives the impression that we're supposed to hate him.

I keep forgetting that Laura and Sonny were in-laws through Dante and Lulu, even beyond Sonny's old relationship with Luke.  Still the guy's a murdering mobster, Laura.  

I could do without all manner of Sidwells.  I don't want to begrudge Lucas a partner, but maybe find him one without criminal ties.  If Sidwell's son works in the office of Sonny's lawyer, all types of confidentiality could be breached.  That might even be how it comes out who actually fathered Sasha's baby.

Tracy's relationship with Gio and her burgeoning one with Emma are growing on me.  Once the story of Gio's lineage comes out, that particular relationship may be the one to watch.  

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More Sonny propping by Laura. How does she not realize that being seen in public with Sonny looks?

Jason, you shouldn't tell Carly no matter who she is with. You know that she is going to grab that baby the minute Sasha stands up to her.

Brennan telling Sonny about his stepson Michael but not Michael's mother Carly, and then told her that it had nothing to do with her. As an international agency, the WSB should have no authority over Sonny in Port Charles.

Nice acting by Eva LaRue when Sidwell was discussed.

Why does Alexis have a picture of Sam with Lucas on her desk rather than Sam with Danny and Scout? So that Marco can look satisfied that he followed Lucas here? The Carly pheromones must have rubbed off on Lucas.

Both Carlo Rota and his wife Nazeen Carpenter were in this episode. Family time!

I'm with Tracy -- don't "Ma'am" me! JE was wonderful once again.

Why did Emma have a day player lawyer? Is that the best that Anna could come up with?  Not Diane if not Alexis? Not Scotty? Not even Martin? Great grandparenting there, Anna.

I protested against an animal lab when I was in college too, I'm not shocked at Emma.  Given today's climate, she probably protested against Israel and that's why the information is sealed.

"That begs the question..." was used twice in this episode, both times wrong. It drives me crazy. "Begs the question" means

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an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion.

e.g. "People have known for thousands of years that the earth is round. Therefore, the earth is round."

NOT "that prompts the question...".

2 minutes ago, JMO said:

 Can't help but wonder if the AAG, who wanted to be unnecessarily aggressive with Emma because she's Anna's granddaughter, realizes that Emma is also the granddaughter of Robert Scorpio, the AG. her boss.  If TR is up to it, we need Robert back yesterday.

I totally forgot about that. We need him back now!  This is all so stupid.

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14 minutes ago, JMO said:

Can't help but wonder if the AAG, who wanted to be unnecessarily aggressive with Emma because she's Anna's granddaughter, realizes that Emma is also the granddaughter of Robert Scorpio, the AG.

Robert is the District Attorney, not the Attorney General; and the prosecutor would be ADA.

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Brennan telling Sonny about his stepson Michael but not Michael's mother Carly, and then told her that it had nothing to do with her.

The SLS  is not Mooby's stepson, but his son. I believe he adopted him, after he put AJ on a meat hook and forced him to give up his parental rights. 

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Why did Emma have a day player lawyer? Is that the best that Anna could come up with?  Not Diane if not Alexis? Not Scotty? Not even Martin? Great grandparenting there, Anna.

Why would Anna call a mob mouthpiece to defend Emma? Scotty disappeared from Wyndemere MONTHS ago, courtesy of Jaysus, so who knows WHERE he is, and Martin is presently in California, on a most ridonkulous-only-on-this-show charges of failing to pay alimony out of the proceeds of selling Valentin's house.

Alexis could do it. But plot!

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Gio's reaction to Emma getting arraigned was a bit extreme. No one forced her to join his protest. But of course she has a sealed record for deeds done in California.

Sasha gets stupider by the minute. The time to make conditions and vague threats is before you shake hands on the deal, you dope.

Sonny's "oh, GOD" expression when Carly and Brennan laughed their way into the restaurant was hilarious.

1 minute ago, JMO said:

Thought it was interesting, and weird, that the hierarchy and categorization of bad guys seemed to be a theme of the episode.

Same. It's like a bit of Patrick Mulcahey's influence crept back in.

How did Eva La Rue piss off Makeup? Her face was a mess.

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13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Why did Emma have a day player lawyer? Is that the best that Anna could come up with?  Not Diane if not Alexis? Not Scotty? Not even Martin? Great grandparenting there, Anna.

I thought Tracy asked Emma if she liked her lawyer, saying "He's one of ours." 

Same here. Though it seems Tracy now has a law degree, so he wasn't needed.

 

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6 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Robert is the District Attorney, not the Attorney General; and the prosecutor would be ADA.

You're right, of course.  I got them confused.  But the point remains that he is her boss, who might care if his granddaughter was being prosecuted beyond what was necessary. 

 

6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Same here. Though it seems Tracy now has a law degree, so he wasn't needed.

 I did kind of love Tracy dominating everyone in the courtroom, including the judge. 

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2 hours ago, ciarra said:

Not that I care, but Nurse Willow wasn't there.  Three nurses, one a dayplayer,  were all they could come up with. 

One I didn't notice that she was missing because she's that bland. Second, it would be a bad look given her sugar daddy has enough money to buy her a store of those those creams.

Tracy is the best lawyer there is. She railroaded the ADA inside 3 seconds flat.

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Robert is the District Attorney, not the Attorney General; and the prosecutor would be ADA.

The SLS  is not Mooby's stepson, but his son. I believe he adopted him, after he put AJ on a meat hook and forced him to give up his parental rights. 

Why would Anna call a mob mouthpiece to defend Emma? Scotty disappeared from Wyndemere MONTHS ago, courtesy of Jaysus, so who knows WHERE he is, and Martin is presently in California, on a most ridonkulous-only-on-this-show charges of failing to pay alimony out of the proceeds of selling Valentin's house.

Alexis could do it. But plot!

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Where do I start? If someone makes you sign an NDA and threatens you if you break it? The NDA is null and void. If Emma tells and she’s threatened with jail? I figure the bigger criminal is the University-and way to smear Berkeley, Show! I wonder if they’ll sue Frank!

That ROBIN AND PATRICK didn’t even KNOW?!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬

FUCK YOU, FRANK! And everyone else who’s written this shite.

How stupid is the ADA/Justine? Assuming that Emma must have done something realllllllllllly bad? And it’s not the University that seals records, you MAROON! It’s the courts! JEEBUS CRIPES.

Looks like Laura has been popping STOOPID pills-she really needs to look up what “appearance of impropriety” means. It does NOT mean you can socialize with criminals in sekrit, but in public where you can be SEEN! When is her term up again? She and Mooby can socialize to their hearts’ content.

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28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If Emma was underage at the time, that sounds illegal. If she didn't have adequate legal representation, it sounds like coercion.

She was in college so she had to have been 18. But I’m sure she didn’t have a lawyer since her parents would have to pay for it. She’s not some heiress with a trust fund that she cameras from whenever she wants.

Genie Francis said in an interview that her favorite person to work with is Maurice Bernard. Ugh! That’s all well and good but it just makes Laura look stupid in the GH verse. She also said Jonathan Jackson is another one but they haven’t worked much since he’s back been because the show is writing for Lucky & Elizabeth. She said it would be odd that he'd want his Mommy around. Of course, Lucky and Elizabeth being stuck with a 40 year old son doesn’t seem to bother the writers. LOL!!!!

I think I’ve seen Laura Wright in bed with a man more than she’s ever been. I think Wright and McKenna like working together and he doesn’t look too shabby without his clothes on. He has major pecs. I’m still not sold on the Joss working for the WSB with Brennan basically forcing her to do it and getting it on with Carly. I know it’s a soap but I don’t know why the writers writing this storyline. 

nuEmma is getting much better now. Although, I don’t really buy her as Emma. I guess I got so used to BS for so long that it’s hard to let go. I’m glad the trial was a one and done. I like the prosecuting attorney. They really need to write more for her. She is stunning with the long black hair. 

@statsgirl I think we have to concede defeat on the begging the question thing. It's become common usage. I feel your pain because it grates on me too.

I'm a day late but I didn't hate the anniversary show. It's the 62nd not the 60th or 65th so a one day special event didn't bother me. And like it or not, Sonny is the patriarch of the show at this point so the prominent placement makes sense. I'm just glad Laura was positioned as matriarch instead of Carly.

I hope they are waiting to write in Monica's death until they can do it properly - they may want to include some folks like maybe Amber Tamblyn or Stuart Damon's family. And I hope whatever they write has a real impact on the canvas and the story. That is the best way to pay tribute to a major character like Monica. (I still want her last act to be signing an affidavit that she witnessed Sonny kill Jagger from her window.)

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