Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[susannah]

6 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

but, but, but Carly didn't make any money on the deal! She actually lost her hotel! And had to pay a $5 million fine! I mean, come on. How much more indignity can she be expected to suffer? And none if this, NONE! would have happened if that vengeful, husband-stealing harpy Nina hadn't reported them to the SEC. It's all HER fault! <sarc>

Not to mention it was $5 million that she just happened to have on hand, so not so much in any going without department, plus, don't forget, true nobility shone when she refused to take Joss's trust fund or whatever!  It will be interesting when Carly finds out Nina did it. I know Carly's a baddie but Laura Wright is stellar at playing her!

[Katy M]

I just read on another site that "Carly always owns it when she messes up."  I can think of quite a few instnces where she didn't.  the most recent obvious one being that Nina is fully to blame for Drew being in prison.  But, I'm trying to think of one instance where she actually has.  I feel like once she told Bobbie she was her daughter, she might have apologized for sleeping with tony, but that's literally about it.

Ironically, the only other thing I can think of her feeling bad about is the one thing she shouldn't.  And that was her friend dying in the car accident because her dad was molesting Carly.

[tessaray]

Cyrus was lurking in the hospital corridors when I came off the barge a couple of years ago and now he's back. I didn't miss him roaming around threatening people. (I do miss the pony tail and scruff.) And wimpy cringing doesn't suit RoHo. Two thumbs down for this development.

And can I borrow a couple of thumbs down for Mason still being alive? I really wanted Ava to grab Dante's gun and finish him off. 🙂

 

[susannah]

31 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Cyrus was lurking in the hospital corridors when I came off the barge a couple of years ago and now he's back. I didn't miss him roaming around threatening people. (I do miss the pony tail and scruff.) And wimpy cringing doesn't suit RoHo. Two thumbs down for this development.

And can I borrow a couple of thumbs down for Mason still being alive? I really wanted Ava to grab Dante's gun and finish him off. 🙂

I love the way Cyrus talks though. So articulate and commanding! Ava could  have jammed a lollipop down Mason's throat, also! 

[MarciNJ]

29 minutes ago, susannah said:

Ava could  have jammed a lollipop down Mason's throat, also! 

Death by lollipop - love it!  Don't think it has been done before, so I'm sure we won't see it now....  though, I guess Victor Jerome swallowing that necklace comes close, now that I think about it.... (why is it that I can't remember why I walk into a room but I remember a ridiculous storyline from 30+ years ago??)

[tessaray]

43 minutes ago, susannah said:

I love the way Cyrus talks though. So articulate and commanding!

Jeff Kober is a very talented actor. Cyrus, otoh is an awful character. But then I loathe bad guys with mommy issues. Or tbf, daddy issues. (Sonny, several decades worth. Ugh.)

Laura struck out with her pair of bio-brothers.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

I just read on another site that "Carly always owns it when she messes up."  I can think of quite a few instnces where she didn't.  the most recent obvious one being that Nina is fully to blame for Drew being in prison.  But, I'm trying to think of one instance where she actually has.  I feel like once she told Bobbie she was her daughter, she might have apologized for sleeping with tony, but that's literally about it.

Ironically, the only other thing I can think of her feeling bad about is the one thing she shouldn't.  And that was her friend dying in the car accident because her dad was molesting Carly.

Carly "owns" it as in someone claps her with the truth, shell go "Yeah, I did it but that's not the point."

[Winston Wolfe]

26 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Laura struck out with her pair of bio-brothers.

Martin was pretty chill until he folded like a wet paper bag under Dumbdelore's weak threats. Now he's ruined and I no longer crave Hummingbird Cake. Although with my a1c level, that was probably always a no-no.

[Katy M]

5 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Martin was pretty chill until he folded like a wet paper bag under Dumbdelore's weak threats. Now he's ruined and I no longer crave Hummingbird Cake. Although with my a1c level, that was probably always a no-no.

Yes, thanks for reminding me. I'm always a day behind, but yesterday when I watched Monday, I couldn't believe how much of a snivelling coward he was.  And, you know what, Martin. If you get disbarred, that's your own fault. If Sonny were actually torturing him, or Michael had a gun on him, that would have been different, but he was in no immediate danger.  I don't even know if that would be something Sonny would be willing to kill or torture a lawyer over anyway.  I mean, yeah, Sonny's a bad guy, but he does have his own imposed limits that he doesn't seem to be willing to cross.

[ciarra]

Dante, you're a cop.  Once you ID yourself, then you're allowed to shoot.  Not before.

[KittyQ]

For a doctor, Portia seems as clueless as someone like Joss. Going slowly doesn't mean to get dressed in a sexy nightie and visit Curtis in bed. Good that they had a discussion, but she needs to let him get used to the situation. Maybe this is another job for Kevin! If he ever gets a chance to be in his office.

[TVbitch]

Portia is too thirsty. Girl, get a Good Vibrations catalog and let Curtis adjust.

Glad Dante was put on leave. I mean, he shows up at the cliff, shoots Mason, then instead of waiting for local law enforcement and EMTs, or escorting the perp and the hostage to the hospital, or examining the scene, or having the hostage give an official statement... he TAKES THE HOSTAGE TO CARLY'S HOUSE to see Avery?! Where he sits and explains the entire event... TO CARLY?!! Dante, you are my kind of sexy, but you are losing me as a cop. 

[Auntie Velvet]

21 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Portia is too thirsty. Girl, get a Good Vibrations catalog and let Curtis adjust.

Glad Dante was put on leave. I mean, he shows up at the cliff, shoots Mason, then instead of waiting for local law enforcement and EMTs, or escorting the perp and the hostage to the hospital, or examining the scene, or having the hostage give an official statement... he TAKES THE HOSTAGE TO CARLY'S HOUSE to see Avery?! Where he sits and explains the entire event... TO CARLY?!! Dante, you are my kind of sexy, but you are losing me as a cop. 

Yes ma'am to all of the above!

LOL at Dante leaving it up to the victim to bag her clothes at some point. "Yeah, I just left my clothes upstairs. Those extra carpet fibers and crayon shavings aren't going to be a problem, are they?"  

Curtis and Portia have so many issues, including his injury, that I didn't know WHAT they were talking about half the time. "I know I can physically have sex, but I can't physically have sex, if you know what I mean." I sure don't. I can guess, but it's all very vague. It might actually help viewers if he were more specific. 

[dubbel zout]

Color me shocked that Sam visited Drew. Color me not shocked at all that Scout didn't accompany her.

36 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

LOL at Dante leaving it up to the victim to bag her clothes at some point. "Yeah, I just left my clothes upstairs. Those extra carpet fibers and crayon shavings aren't going to be a problem, are they?" 

This is the same cop who slopped his fingerprints all over the bottle that held the pills prescribed to Sasha by the nefarious Dr. Montague.

Blaze, you can negotiate your contract with Deception so that it fits your needs. It's a two-way street.

Curtis sure is convinced he'll never get better. He needs to accept where he is, but that doesn't mean it's going to be forever. The paralysis is still new. He and Portia desperately need counseling, as individuals and as a couple.

Wasn't Joss the one who asked Dex to find Ava in the first place? Her reaction to me seems like she's kind of blaming Dex for rushing into a dangerous situation on his own accord.

[Peppermint Patty]

I'm shocked that no one has commented on the number and volume of the sad violins playing for Curtis's penis. Sasha didn't get sad music like that! 

I wish Mason had choked on the grape lollipop when Dante shot him. 

[Cheyanne11]

9 minutes ago, Peppermint Patty said:

I'm shocked that no one has commented on the number and volume of the sad violins playing for Curtis's penis. Sasha didn't get sad music like that! 

I mean, hardly a fair comparison: Sasha only lost her baby, her husband, her livelihood, her money, had her MIL betray her, was almost drugged to death and imprisoned.  Curtis?  Can get it up but isn't emotionally ready to.  Clearly, he's the one to feel badly for.  Sasha's just being dramatic.

[KittyQ]

2 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

LOL at Dante leaving it up to the victim to bag her clothes at some point. "Yeah, I just left my clothes upstairs. Those extra carpet fibers and crayon shavings aren't going to be a problem, are they?"  

Forget forensics and chain of evidence! Ava has to get to Carly's house! Sheesh, I'm surprised anyone in Port Charles gets convicted of anything* with this kind of kindergarten policing. 

*Those who are convicted should see their lawyers immediately to talk about how they were wrongly accused and convicted.

[Auntie Velvet]

In general, I think OF COURSE someone who has just become disabled should be able to bring it up at any time. But I'm going to reserve the right to roll my eyes at Curtis, because he's A) fictional, and, more importantly, B) Curtis. 

Your new daughter brings you a couple of souvenir caps from her trip? "Thanks, but this just reminds me of how I'll never play ball again." 

Your wife muses about how cool it will be when that same daughter graduates and has a dance party? "I guess....but I sure won't be dancing that night." 

Debbie Downer's got nothin' on this guy.

 

 

[ciarra]

Curtis, how many dudes have 6 pillows on their bed?  What are you a teen girl?

Sonny and Nina, world's shortest honeymoon.  And Carly, thinking nothing of interrupting. 

 

[sunnyface]

Wait. So Sonny cut his honeymoon short because of a phone call from his ex-wife.  Run Nina Run. 

Portia is extremely watchable but only when she gets upset (her Anna convo), but just about everything else - the actress is wanting - no wonder they placed her in the hospital.

Love Kristina but that yellow dress was a disaster.  Glad they brought Blaze to Puerto rico for a chem test.  Those were the only scenes in Puerto rico that I was able to watch. CW helped make watching Sonny tolerable.

 

[ciarra]

36 minutes ago, sunnyface said:

Love Kristina but that yellow dress was a disaster. 

Back in the old days, that type of eyelet fabric was use for curtains. 

[susannah]

Not a fan of the whole lot of Portia, Curtis, Trina, Michael, and really tired of everyone wailing and complaining all the time. More of that tomorrow with Trina screaming about Michael's connection to Esme and the baby. No matter what people say Esme has done, she has been tried and convicted of nothing. Michael has zero claim on the baby unless he has been awarded custody, which he hasn't. In a legal custody case, the judge would see that Esme, the bio mother, takes good care of him, has a job and a place to live. No way would she lose. Michael and Trina need to leave them be and shut up about them.

Yeah I also noticed how bad Carly felt about interrupting Nina's honeymoon. Felt all torn up inside about it, I know!

I don't know Lois, but I am also tired of her blaming Tracy for everything Brook Lynn chose to do. Loved how Tracy shut her down though! So I am pretty sure that Brook Lynn's now owning the majority of Deception will not endear her to Maxie and Lucy, after she betrayed them. So is the whole issue of the design theft just going to go away now?

Also not a fan of Kristina's dress. Nothing about it was flattering to her. Blaze is being pretty clear that she wants something to happen with Kristina, but I just hope Blaze is a good person. I like Kristina, and she has been hurt and diminished enough. 

Yep, a grape lollipop shoved down Mason's throat would have been ideal! Death by lollipop. Who loves ya, baby? PS, Avery has no taste. Grape is my favorite flavor!

 

 

[ffwbe]

I think this show infantilizes their 30 something characters. Maybe because the current leads of this show are mainly 50+ so they have to keeping the next generation young. They used to move characters to supporting or the back burner entirely once their kids reached adulthood.

Brook Lynn is in her mid 30s and had her mom blaming her grandmother for her poor decision making. Michael can’t take a step without his mom being involved. Chase can’t be told bad news because he couldn’t possibly handle it. Felicia has a phone tree set up for Maxie in preparation for when she gets in trouble and needs to be bailed out. They’ve recently backed off with this with the recast but Kristina was treated like a perpetual teenager as well and always had her parents involved in her actions. 

[YaddaYadda]

11 hours ago, Peppermint Patty said:

I'm shocked that no one has commented on the number and volume of the sad violins playing for Curtis's penis. Sasha didn't get sad music like that! 

Sasha is just another hysterical woman. She was probably on her period when all the stuff that happened to her happened.

Curtis, though, the road to his identity and manliness is through his penis. 

This show is abhorrent. 

8 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Wait. So Sonny cut his honeymoon short because of a phone call from his ex-wife.  Run Nina Run. 

 

Why are you forcing me to defend this? And so early in the morning?

Carly called to let Sonny know that Ava had been kidnapped and that Cyrus was out of prison. He cut his honeymoon short because he finally clued in that Cyrus was behind everything.

[ffwbe]

I liked Kristina and Blaze’s earlier scenes but Blaze showing up in Puerto Rico is giving me stalker vibes. Kristina told her she was going down there for her father’s wedding and Blaze rushing down there the next day and randomly showing up right outside where she was is a but too coincidental. Considering her history of problematic relationships, I’m going to stay reserved on them for now. 

[luna1122again]

I actually kind of like Kristina's yellow dress, even though I never wear yellow. 

Curtis' pity party is grating. Of course, he has a right to feel bad and sad and angry. He has a right to not feel up for sex, even if he CAN have sex, which apparently he can, but maybe he can't. I don't even know what he was saying. It felt like he was telling Portia if he can't pound pound pound jackhammer style away at her for 7 minutes, he's just not going to bother. No matter that there's plenty of other ways to have sex, or be intimate. If he can't go to poundtown, no dice, lady. I predict he WILL find his prowess again, but not with her. 

Nina looks all glowy and tan...why is Sonny's face the color of putty? 

 

 

[perkie1968]

6 hours ago, susannah said:

Trina screaming about Michael's connection to Esme and the baby. No matter what people say Esme has done, she has been tried and convicted of nothing. Michael has zero claim on the baby unless he has been awarded custody, which he hasn't. In a legal custody case, t

You mean Spencer right?  

[susannah]

2 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

You mean Spencer right? 

Yes, sorry, I still get  the lookalike guys mixed up a bit. Spencer, not Michael. Though Michael needs to shut up too! I also agree that Blaze's showing up in PR and exactly where Kristina is IS stalkerish and creepy. 

[Winston Wolfe]

3 hours ago, luna1122again said:

It felt like he was telling Portia if he can't pound pound pound jackhammer style away at her for 7 minutes, he's just not going to bother. No matter that there's plenty of other ways to have sex, or be intimate. If he can't go to poundtown, no dice, lady.

Very interesting post Luna. Maybe times have changed, but back in the day, seven minutes would get a guy labeled as "Quick Draw McGraw," if you know what I'm saying. But mileage can and does vary.

Sadly, at this point, Portia has no redeeming character traits that I can see. Given how far Curtis has fallen maybe they're made for each other.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Winston Wolfe

[Daisy]

4 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

You mean Spencer right?  

lol i was like. wait. why does Michael want Ace, but then considering his mother, Michael wanting to own all the babies can be linked to genetics.

[luna1122again]

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Very interesting post Luna. Maybe times have changed, but back in the day, seven minutes would get a guy labeled as "Quick Draw McGraw," if you know what I'm saying. But mileage can and does vary.

Sadly, at this point, Portia has no redeeming character traits that I can see. Given how far Curtis has fallen maybe they're made for each other.

No, times haven't changed. I was definitely disparaging Curtis and what I feel like his idea of good sex for his woman would be. He's an absolutely incredibly LOOKING person, gorgeous beyond words, but he's such a whiny-baby in life that I just imagine he's not much good at it, and doesn't much care about taking care of her needs as long as his are met. Which he'd just assume would mean hers are too. And yeah, Portia is also great looking and annoying AF. They do deserve each other. 

 

[mostlylurking]

14 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Portia is extremely watchable but only when she gets upset (her Anna convo), but just about everything else - the actress is wanting - no wonder they placed her in the hospital.

I think Portia has a very good bedside manner (with the exception of her husband).  She’s very calm and straightforward, which is weird because she’s the exact opposite of those things when she’s not in doctor mode.  She and Curtis are an amazing looking couple and they are both consistently two of the best dressed people on this show, but yeah.  Portia needs to give Curtis some space and Curtis can’t constantly be thinking negative thoughts about everything.  They both need to simmer.  
 

5 hours ago, ffwbe said:

I liked Kristina and Blaze’s earlier scenes but Blaze showing up in Puerto Rico is giving me stalker vibes. Kristina told her she was going down there for her father’s wedding and Blaze rushing down there the next day and randomly showing up right outside where she was is a but too coincidental. Considering her history of problematic relationships, I’m going to stay reserved on them for now. 

I’m hoping this is not the case.  Blaze did say she had a grandmother in PR so maybe she thought it would be a kill two birds with one stone kind of thing…visit the abuela and then see Krissy too.  I also liked the yellow dress, seemed very appropriate for a tropical island.

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

14 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Wait. So Sonny cut his honeymoon short because of a phone call from his ex-wife.  Run Nina Run. 

 

Why are you forcing me to defend this? And so early in the morning?

Carly called to let Sonny know that Ava had been kidnapped and that Cyrus was out of prison. He cut his honeymoon short because he finally clued in that Cyrus was behind everything.

I have to agree.  Sonny didn’t rush back to PC for Carly, more to make sure Avery was ok since her mother had just been kidnapped.  And to deal with Cyrus.  Didn’t really have much to do with Carly, but of course they have to make sure Carly sticks her nose in everything so she was the one to make the call.  It was weird that Nina was two inches away from him while he was on the phone yet supposedly didn’t hear the conversation.  And then Sonny leaps out of bed and doesn’t even tell her anything!  Heh.

11 hours ago, susannah said:

Not a fan of the whole lot of Portia, Curtis, Trina, Michael, and really tired of everyone wailing and complaining all the time. More of that tomorrow with Trina screaming about Michael's connection to Esme and the baby. No matter what people say Esme has done, she has been tried and convicted of nothing. Michael has zero claim on the baby unless he has been awarded custody, which he hasn't. In a legal custody case, the judge would see that Esme, the bio mother, takes good care of him, has a job and a place to live. No way would she lose. Michael and Trina need to leave them be and shut up about them.

I know you meant Spencer not Michael and I agree with you.  Spencer needs to realize he’s not Ace’s father and he needs to stop acting like it.

[Daisy]

honestly, I will never fault Spencer for wanting to be a permanent male role model in his brother's life. he might not be his father, but I don't think it's wrong [especially with the age difference] to be one for his little brother. if it were reversed and Spencer gave the baby no mind at all, we'd be blasting him for not being a support for him too. 

[Sake614]

I felt for Curtis when he said he just wasn't ready psychologically. And that he's still trying to come to terms with his limitations. But when he started in on the whole 'oh woe is me, I won't be able to dance with my daughter' BS, I was back to wanting to punch him in the face. Who says you can't dance with her? Even if you're in a wheelchair, you can still get out there and take her for a spin. What a damn insult to real disabled people! Your arms work, don't they? Hell, you could even 'walk' her down the aisle at her wedding. 

I just started following a woman (well, her dog) on Instagram. She's a double amputee with two Rottweillers. Kuno is her service dog (Chesnyy is still in training) and they also travel around Canada competing in agility dog competitions. She manages all this mostly by herself. If she can do that, Curtis can damn well suck it up and stop feeling sorry for himself 24/7.

[Daisy]

Okay - defending Curtis a tiny bit. I think going from being able-bodied to disabled is a shock and it does take a long time to adjust to the fact that you can't do what you used to do (even though we all know that your quality of life ie  sports, activities etc) don't change - it just adapts. I will give him that credit. I think [as someone who wallows a lot when i am depressed], your brain doesn't compute the logical stuff. yeah he can dance with Trina in his wheelchair and all of that but for most of us it isn't the same thing because that's not how you imagined it and I think it's realistic to have that lament.

with that being said why the hell isn't seeing Kevin or a Kevin-type person to work through his feelings and not just being a woe is me lament lament life sucks is beyond me. 

[statsgirl]

My favourite part of the episode was Laura and Valentin strategizing about Charlotte. I like to see people working together instead of at odds.

And so my second favourite part was Alexis having Gregory along to interview the judge -- something that he didn't know he needed on his bucket list and showing him that he can still be valuable. Also I love gotchas.

Finn is heading up into surgery. Why is an infectious disease specialist doing surgery?

Audrey is still looking after Liz's sons when she goes away? Audrey must be in her 90s by now.

I'm with Spencer on Nik and Esme. Ace doesn't need a father in his life who disappears just when he's needed. Spencer may not be his father but he is determined to stick around. I see what Trina is going but it's too soon for that conversation.

There goes Portia, demanding that Jordan should have told her that Cyrus was released. A real Karen. Why did they decide to write Portia in a way that makes me dislike her, around Trina and Spencer, around Curtis, manipulating Esme, she's really not a nice person.

19 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Wasn't Joss the one who asked Dex to find Ava in the first place? Her reaction to me seems like she's kind of blaming Dex for rushing into a dangerous situation on his own accord.

That's typical Joss though; she says that she's okay with Dex working for Sonny but every time he gets close to a dangerous situation, she freaks out. It's what distinguishes her from Carly who gloried in the danger that Jason got into.

7 hours ago, luna1122again said:

Curtis' pity party is grating. Of course, he has a right to feel bad and sad and angry. He has a right to not feel up for sex, even if he CAN have sex, which apparently he can, but maybe he can't. I don't even know what he was saying. It felt like he was telling Portia if he can't pound pound pound jackhammer style away at her for 7 minutes, he's just not going to bother.

I didn't see yesterday's show but I'm guessing that Curtis didn't offer to do what he could to please his wife even though he wasn't ready for that himself?

What a guy. True love.

[dubbel zout]

The sex stuff with Curtis and Portia is reasonable. What's not is for Curtis to constantly be "wah, I'm in a wheelchair and helpless" about everything else. Not to sound too Pollyannish, but he's only as limited as he wants to be. And it seems he wants to be limited so he can whine about it and continue his pity party. Curtis desperately needs a bracing snap-out-of it talking-to. 

41 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I will never fault Spencer for wanting to be a permanent male role model in his brother's life.

Same. It sucks that Spencer is 21 (or whatever) and just starting his adult life, but that's how it goes sometimes. I also feel for Trina, never being the top priority in her boyfriend's life, but under the circumstances, she never will be. She needs to accept it or cut Spencer loose, because neither of them is wrong or right, and I don't think there's a reasonable compromise here.

Laura, your "sweet little granddaughter" is part Cassadine. Look what Spencer was doing at that age. Is it so unreasonable to think Charlotte is any different?

The writers have no historical perspective so I can't expect the characters to, but sheesh.

[mostlylurking]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

honestly, I will never fault Spencer for wanting to be a permanent male role model in his brother's life. he might not be his father, but I don't think it's wrong [especially with the age difference] to be one for his little brother. if it were reversed and Spencer gave the baby no mind at all, we'd be blasting him for not being a support for him too. 

I get that, and he should have a part in his brother’s life.  I don’t like that he basically wants to take over that father role though.  Nikolas is a terrible father, that’s been established numerous times.  But he is still Ace’s father so Spencer just needs some boundaries imo.  On the other hand, if the wants to be this involved then that’s just something Trina will have to accept if she wants to be with him because I don’t see it changing.  Either accept him or leave.

I hate when they make Laura look so naive and dumb.  Really Laura, you can’t possibly imagine Charlotte is a little psycho?  Most of Laura’s friends and family members are criminals yet she always seems shocked by it.  I did love how Valentin seemed legitimately terrified of his teenaged daughter.  Ha!

On that note, I wouldn’t mind her being a little hell raiser.  I like the actress who plays Charlotte and she’s one of the rare child actors who can actually act and hold their own in scenes.

Edited October 19, 2023 by mostlylurking

[dubbel zout]

"Where do you see yourself in five years?" I hate that question with the heat of a thousand fiery nuns. It's terrible. A lot can happen in five years. I don't know where I see myself. How about asking what sorts of goals I want to meet? GAH.

Given that Spencer hasn't shown interest in anything except making sure he has full access to his trust fund, I don't know what Trina is expecting him to say.

Previews: Oh, lord, more of Robert and Diane. Stop it, Show. The writing makes them both look terrible, TFGH.

[Daisy]

27 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

"Where do you see yourself in five years?" I hate that question with the heat of a thousand fiery nuns.

first of all. heeeeee
Second of all omg. me too. like it's such a stupid question.

[Sake614]

37 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

"Where do you see yourself in five years?"

Retired and living on or near a beach with as many dogs as will fit in the house :)

[KittyQ]

Is it me, or does it seem odd that Trina and Spencer argue about Ace/Esme instead of having a reasonable talk about it? Trina and Spencer are really kind of a "new" couple, so shouldn't they be still very considerate of each other instead of taking such hard positions? Is this meant to be the straw that breaks the camel's back in this relationship?

[lala2]

I'm a Sprina fan, and I loved today. Everything Trina said is basically everything I've been saying to my sister and on the boards so I was steadily shouting, "Yes" at the screen today. lol 

I do wonder if the scabs read the boards and SM b/c Trina literally raised every point I would if this were a real situation. I love that she was real w/him and didn't hold back. Why would she? They've been through a lot. They were abducted and almost died. They're past the "gentle, just getting to know ya" phase, IMO. Plus Spencer's been playing house w/Esme for at least 9-10 months now. That's a long time. Trina obviously envisions a future w/Spencer, and she wants to know what role Esme and Ace are playing in that future. 

Anyway . . . . it was a great convo for this fan. I wish Trina had been more brutally honest w/him and asked him how long he planned to live w/his grandmother and Esme. He can be in Ace's life and NOT live w/Esme. 

ETA: I loved her question about where Spencer sees himself in five years b/c they are 20, 21-years old. Spencer is not in school. He has no job. Trina is ambitious. She has goals and dreams. She wants to know what Spencer's life plans are; does he seriously plan to do nothing except watch his baby brother all day? That's it? What does he want for his life? I see nothing wrong w/that question but that's just me. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by lala2

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

ETA: I loved her question about where Spencer sees himself in five years b/c they are 20, 21-years old. Spencer is not in school. He has no job. Trina is ambitious. She has goals and dreams. She wants to know what Spencer's life plans are; does he seriously plan to do nothing except watch his baby brother all day? That's it? What does he want for his life? I see nothing wrong w/that question but that's just me. 

Wanting to know Spencer's future plans isn't wrong of Trina, but she should be asking him if he's going to do anything besides look after Ace. What if Nik returns; how will he deal with that? Does Spencer think he'll get a job? Go to school? Trina needs to ask concrete questions. They are more useful than some pie-in-the-sky idea Spencer might have about five years down the road.

[lala2]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

Wanting to know Spencer's future plans isn't wrong of Trina, but she should be asking him if he's going to do anything besides look after Ace. What if Nik returns; how will he deal with that? Does Spencer think he'll get a job? Go to school? Trina needs to ask concrete questions. They are more useful than some pie-in-the-sky idea Spencer might have about five years down the road.

I hear you and think those questions would have been fine too. I believe she said he needed to think about his future, and when he asked her what she meant, she asked the standard, "where do you see yourself in 5 years?" 

Again, it didn't bother me. They were talking off the cuff. She said he wanted to know his life plans, goals, etc. They already discussed Nik so she knows he doesn't want Nik coming back taking his brother/son from him. She also already told him Ace was not his kid and that he had no say over Ace. When he mentioned that only she and Ace make him happy, she looked sad b/c he's delusional. 

As admirable as it may be to some - Ace is not his son. There's a huge difference btw being a sibling and being a parent. At some point, that bubble is gonna burst for him, and she's trying to prepare him for that. He has no control over Esme or Nikolas. Esme could leave town tomorrow and there would be nothing he could do about it. Nikolas could return and take his son. 

[Daisy]

22 minutes ago, lala2 said:

As admirable as it may be to some - Ace is not his son. There's a huge difference btw being a sibling and being a parent. At some point, that bubble is gonna burst for him, and she's trying to prepare him for that. He has no control over Esme or Nikolas. Esme could leave town tomorrow and there would be nothing he could do about it. Nikolas could return and take his son. 

 

again, don't think it really has to do about being admirable or anything like that. I think it simply has to do with what needs to be done. does it suck for Spencer? yeah. does it suck for Trina? yeah. does it matter where Spencer sees himself in 5 years? no - because what's important for Ace is having a stable and dependable role model in his life. Nik can show up and take his son - but that won't change the fact that Spencer knows that Nik won't be there for Ace - just like when the going got tough, Nik wasn't there for Spencer.  [i don't know if people know if Nik is like not dead, or he's back in town or whatever] but i see this like any kind of movie where the older sibling has to de facto be the parent.

Maybe i resonate with this because when my mom got diagnosed with cancer, I was 1/2 way across the country and my family just did not step up. So I had to. I was way too young (and stressed out) to be put in a "Sandwich" situation where i had to deal with me, my life and my mom's health, but I had to. my mom needed me because she had no one else. And even when my family did start to pitch in it wasn't dependable or to the point where I could ease up. when people tell me "oh what a good daughter" I was to do that for my mom I was like no. it's what needed to be done. that's what I see with Spencer. before i think Spencer just wanted to screw over Nik and Esme. (and i mean admittedly, could still be the case, and even then I can see why that's Spencer's default notion). but i firmly do believe that Spencer wants to be the Stefan to Nik [that Spencer never had] 

Trina has ever right to not like it, not to be a part of it (or any future girlfriend of Spencer's) but I don't think Spencer should have to change what he believes his right when it comes to his brother's welfare and happiness [as long as he doesn't start hanging people up on meathooks or anything like that]. As I said i really feel if Spencer had a laissez faire attitude about Ace, never really mentioned him or cared about him people would be saying he was just like Nik not caring about his family. or anything like that. I'd rather him be helicopter sibling than absentee one. 

[TVbitch]

Glad Valentin came clean to Laura, but not bringing Anna in is stupid. Why are they not discussing brain washing, since it is a well-known tactic of Victor's and Charlotte is acting out of character. Also, search her room for pete's sake! 

Alls I will say to Trina is: Grrrl, he ain't worth it. 

[lala2]

@Daisy - I would agree with you if they had portrayed Esme as a neglectful, absentee mom. If they showed her not caring about Ace, then I could see Spencer stepping up but that’s not what we saw. According to Spencer, Esme is a great mother to his brother. Plus, even in my scenario, Kevin and Laura are around. It’s not a situation where there’s only Spencer. KevLar could have definitely cared for Ace if necessary. I would find that more believable than them leaving it up to Spencer - the 20-year old kid. In any event, Ace is well cared for and wants for nothing. 

I just don’t think it’s healthy for anyone to twist the boundaries as much as Spencer has because it’s setting that person up for a fall. At any moment, Nikolas or Esme could make moves w/r/t Ace that leave Spencer completely out of the picture. What’s he gonna do then? And I have to go back to Esme being a good mom. If that’s true, what’s the issue? Let her freely be a mom to your brother and focus on your own life. He can still have an active presence in his brother’s life, without also acting like the boy’s father and coparenting with Esme. That’s not necessary. 

He also needs more in his life than Trina and Ace. He needs some life goals and therapy. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by lala2

[DanaK]

October 12 episode:

During the Nina/Sonny flashbacks, I remembered how much I hated the Nixon Falls storyline (and ignored a lot of it) and I marvel how much I like Sonny/Nina now (even if I think she shouldn’t be involved with a mobster)

Donna is so cute

[susannah]

2 hours ago, lala2 said:

As admirable as it may be to some - Ace is not his son. There's a huge difference btw being a sibling and being a parent. At some point, that bubble is gonna burst for him, and she's trying to prepare him for that. He has no control over Esme or Nikolas. Esme could leave town tomorrow and there would be nothing he could do about it. Nikolas could return and take his son. 

I don't think Spencer's attitude, not Michael, though his is bad too, is reasonable since he has installed himself as Ace's defacto parent, when he has zero right to. Only Esme can decide who will be in Ace's life, and anyone being all demanding and entitled can be last on the list. Spencer considers himself superior to Esme, including being a better "parent." I wish he would fall off a cliff.