Michael and Juliana: She's Not! a Prostitute

[RealReality]

10 hours ago, Christina said:

Michael posted some additional photos

 

Awww, cute!  Dad escorting his little princess down the aisle!  

Question - when Juliana moves on and finds a man with more more who is closer to her age will Michael officiate the new marriage?

[Frozendiva]

I fully expect him to slowly move some of his money/financial interests in to various trusts.

[Christina]

[Note: For some reason, when posting Instagram or Twitter links under the Spoiler Tab the process of embedding the link causes it to jump out of the spoiler tab and fly to the top of the comment box. There is no rhyme nor reason for it and it doesn't happen every time. Right now the IGs are posting under spoiler so I'm putting them there just to keep the post from being fifteen feet long. There is nothing NSFW or anything, it's just a space saver for when the page refreshes with new posts. Also, a lot of these castmembers post and then delete things so I try and post from the snark accounts because they stay online longer.]

Nearly all of this is now old news but doesn't appear to have been posted here yet. Michael, Juliana, Sarah, Sean, Maxwell, Howard the dog, and Percy the dog all have public Instagram accounts. The only one who doesn't is Cece. At one point, shortly after Michael did the IGLive of Juliana twerking on New Years, a person who worked for a PR firm followed all of the accounts, including the dogs. I just went to find the name and there are just too many followers to search. It was going to be my Exhibit A for my theory of the family trying to get their own show, but I'm not willing to search through the users for proof. The dogs have hundreds of followers for fukksakes.

Max having a public SM account at age twelve when his family is on this shitshow has been the subject of a lot of discussion online. When Michael was having an argument with someone online, he was asked why they allowed Max to have a public account and he said that he and Sarah were monitoring it and would shut it down if it got to be an issue. I posted those comments here at the time. 

It's been obvious to me that Michael and Sarah thought they were going to be viewed completely different than they are. I'm sure Michael thought when he said they met on a yacht in Croatia everyone would think he was wealthy, but instead everyone thought Juliana was a yacht girl and he paid to attend a yacht party to meet young women. He certainly didn't expect people to search through their Instagram accounts to try and prove he met Juliana when she was much younger. (I think it turned out that she was 19 when they met, but she was younger when she started yachting.)

Max has been receiving negative comments online about his weight. Someone apparently said something to him on one of his many, many IG lives. I didn't see it. In response, Laura sent him a direct message of positive wishes, which I don't believe has been released anywhere and I didn't see it if it was, and Max mentioned it in a Live, which I also didn't see.

Deavan did an IG Story where she posted that Laura sending a private message to a twelve-year-old is inappropriate grooming behavior. I read that post but don't see it now to link here. It may be in Laura or Deavan's thread. In response, Laura twisted her words and claimed that Deavan called her a child molester for marrying a younger man. Deavan responded by saying she didn't call her a child molester and reiterated that it is inappropriate to send private messages to a child.

This resulted in a huge online war about whether Max should have a public IG account, the inappropriateness of an adult sending private messages to children, whether or not Laura did anything wrong since her comment was something positive, and if she should have been called a pedophile, which again, she wasn't and was the only one who used the word. Huge battle; much blood.

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There are two slides here but it is really hard to see the arrow. The second slide is Deavan's response.

I didn't watch these videos because I'm too sober, but thought I'd add them in case anyone else wishes to watch.

There was a mention of a Live of Avery, but I didn't look for it because I don't know if it was involving this matter since I didn't listen to these ones. 

Max continued to post Live after Live of their life, and after and episode, he posted something about telling them not to cut out his IG address. 

This resulted in several people saying they would follow him, including the people who said it was inappropriate for an adult to send a private message to a child, resulting in another online war about their being a difference in following and privately contacting a child, and whether the network was protecting him since his family wasn't. Mach biggee battle, mach more blood.

While Max continued to livestream his life on Instagram and receive negative comments about his family, not necessarily directly but his parents certainly get direct hatemail, Michael livestreams Juliana on Flakka (I acknowledge that was mean but prove me wrong), Sarah livestreams herself twerking with Juliana as an FU to the fans who criticized Michael for streaming his wife shaking her ass for everyone (major argument was him treating his wife as a toy, not a person), the entire clan goes to dinner repeatedly and posts it online so we can see the great family that needs their own spinoff, Sarah and Juliana spend a lot of time together and film it, Sarah's husband, Sean, with the help of Juliana and Cece, does a fashion show, and releases music videos. Michael actually laid low for awhile after New Years, which I want to suggest was from the PR person that I can't identify because he just isn't coming across well. 

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Some of these are videos are too long for me to get through, so I haven't watched everything.

I think this is the Sarah/Juliana twerking video

 

Juliana said this was just her joking

Max said Juliana is teaching him and Cece about some Brazilian customs and Portuguese. 

I don't know if you all should be happy or disappointed that I can't find the fashion show video, but here is his last music video. It's about his sobriety, or something, I didn't listen. It has been said, repeatedly, that he didn't want to be on the show because he is in recovery. Yet, he is throughout their social media. Being on the show probably would be worse though.

Found the fashion show; it's call a "closet challenge"

There are a good fifty posts about the entire family doing things together that I didn't bother to post. 

 

Another Exhibit for my "trying to get their own show" theory.

I just rolled my eyes in the back of my head and gave myself a headache. Time to sign off for a while.

[blubld43]

That is really beautiful.

When my niece got married last fall, they stood under a wooden arch similar to this, with flowers all over it, that was built by the bride's Grandfather.  They're now expecting their first child, and the arch from their wedding is being converted into a baby swing😁

[Frozendiva]

Laura has kids of her own and probably came from a place of goodwill. Max is probably savvy enough to notice any red flags and then take it to his parents. Although the show’s other participants should not be involved in any pthers’s business unless asked.

[RoadFullOfPromise]

Re: wedding photos - Michael, there’s a way to do sneakers with formalwear, but...that ain’t it. For some reason I can’t quite pinpoint, this furthers my suspicion that he has money but not Money.

CeCe, on the other hand, has nailed it. In the photo in which she and Juliana are dancing while wearing their reception dresses, her sneakers are just right for the dress and it totally works.

[iwasish]

On 1/28/2020 at 12:04 PM, Frozendiva said:

I fully expect him to slowly move some of his money/financial interests in to various trusts.

I don’t think he has much in terms of investments. I think he has pissed away a lot of cash trying to impress Juliana. 
I don’t know why he bothered buying a big house . He should have gotten a 3 bedroom townhouse. From what I saw of the kitchen, the whole house probably needs a massive reno. He looks like he has crappy taste and the 14k sofa Juliana admired was hideous. They’ll probably end up at Bobs Discount Furniture and buy everything including the vases and artwork. 

[Frozendiva]

Being spoiled with lavish gifts is nice for a while. You can get used to it and you can also question the intentions behind the luxury. The person may indeed be wonderful or a Mr. Hyde type and you pay for the gift.

The big house and big yard means lawn to mow, trees and shrubs to trim, weed control, snow shoveling in winter. Guess he will have to hire someone.

[Gobi]

2 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Being spoiled with lavish gifts is nice for a while. You can get used to it and you can also question the intentions behind the luxury. The person may indeed be wonderful or a Mr. Hyde type and you pay for the gift.

The big house and big yard means lawn to mow, trees and shrubs to trim, weed control, snow shoveling in winter. Guess he will have to hire someone.

What do you think kids are for?

[Frozendiva]

5 minutes ago, Gobi said:

What do you think kids are for?

Max and Juliana can do a lot of it. Cece is still a little young. Maybe in a year or two.

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Max and Juliana can do a lot of it. Cece is still a little young. Maybe in a year or two.

She can pull weeds - she’s low to the ground.

[RealReality]

Sorry not sorry, but there is no reason a fifty something woman who isn't related to max needs to be private messaging him.  If she wanted to send him a supportive message she could have done so publicly.  

I don't like Devan, but she is right here and it has shades of grooming. 

Maybe Laura can work on her relationship with her own child who appears to hate her.  

Michael, Sarah and Juliana aren't perfect but max has two loving and committed parents and a step mother who is about the age of a cool, older sibling.  What sort of private advice and message did he need from a single, middle aged woman, who, incidentally is also crazy?  

17 hours ago, Gobi said:

What do you think kids are for?

Ha ha, I was shook when I learned that most kids don't have chores these days. 

My first promotion was when I promoted up to dish washing from floor cleaning.  I still like washing dishes by hand in incredibly hot water. 

Edited February 2, 2020 by RealReality

[blubld43]

3 hours ago, RealReality said:

Sorry not sorry, but there is no reason a fifty something woman who isn't related to max needs to be private messaging him.  If she wanted to send him a supportive message she could have done so publicly.  

I don't like Devan, but she is right here and it has shades of grooming. 

Maybe Laura can work on her relationship with her own child who appears to hate her.  

Michael, Sarah and Juliana aren't perfect but max has two loving and committed parents and a step mother who is about the age of a cool, older sibling.  What sort of private advice and message did he need from a single, middle aged woman, who, incidentally is also crazy?  

Ha ha, I was shook when I learned that most kids don't have chores these days. 

My first promotion was when I promoted up to dish washing from floor cleaning.  I still like washing dishes by hand in incredibly hot water. 

Right?! My parents had two daughters, so from the age of 8 I was washing dishes and cutting the grass. For 35¢ a week (1966)!

Laura has absolutely no business writing someone's child, not unless there's a relationship like grandparent or whatever. She's nuts and Deavan was right to call her out.

[iwasish]

Laura is 100 % wrong. 
 

Michael and Sarah are wrong to allow their kids to instagram, tweet or  message anyone, outside of a list approved  by them and any correspondence they receive should be pre screened. The adults have agreed to expose themselves to criticism and and abuse by appearing on the show, if they had any real sense they would stay far from social media themselves. A quick read of just a few sites that follow these shows should have sent them running to make sure the kids didn’t see any of this . Michael babbling about how     mature Max is and that he can handle himself, merely proves how stupid he is. He himself gets his panties in a twist when the more rude comments are made about his motives and Juliana’s sketchy backstory.
 

To all of the shows participants ... keep your kids sheltered  from your stupid life choices and the internet fallout that results. 
 

 

 

[blubld43]

11 hours ago, iwasish said:

Laura is 100 % wrong. 
 

Michael and Sarah are wrong to allow their kids to instagram, tweet or  message anyone, outside of a list approved  by them and any correspondence they receive should be pre screened. The adults have agreed to expose themselves to criticism and and abuse by appearing on the show, if they had any real sense they would stay far from social media themselves. A quick read of just a few sites that follow these shows should have sent them running to make sure the kids didn’t see any of this . Michael babbling about how     mature Max is and that he can handle himself, merely proves how stupid he is. He himself gets his panties in a twist when the more rude comments are made about his motives and Juliana’s sketchy backstory.
 

To all of the shows participants ... keep your kids sheltered  from your stupid life choices and the internet fallout that results. 
 

 

 

Agree 100%. All the adults on these shows have a duty to protect their kids from internet shaming. 

And of ALL the reality shows I've seen, very few adults seem to realize this, or care.  I cannot stand Ashley, of Ashley and Jay, but she's the only one I'm aware of that kept her kids off the show altogether.  The Teen Mom people, all their kids lives are on tv, now ten years later there's obvious issues. 

 

Edited February 3, 2020 by blubld43

[iwasish]

4 hours ago, blubld43 said:

Agree 100%. All the adults on these shows have a duty to protect their kids from internet shaming. 

And of ALL the reality shows I've seen, very few adults seem to realize this, or care.  I cannot stand Ashley, of Ashley and Jay, but she's the only one I'm aware of that kept her kids off the show altogether.  The Teen Mom people, all their kids lives are on tv, now ten years later there's obvious issues. 

 

Perhaps credit for Ashley’s kids not appearing is more deserved by their father. Ashley certainly isn’t so concerned about her kids that she avoids acting like a drunken fool both in the show and on social media. I’m hoping their dad keeps the worst of it from them.

[RealReality]

On 2/2/2020 at 4:38 PM, iwasish said:

Laura is 100 % wrong. 

Michael babbling about how     mature Max is and that he can handle himself, merely proves how stupid he is. He himself gets his panties in a twist when the more rude comments are made about his motives and Juliana’s sketchy backstory.
 

This!  How is a 12 year old kid supposed to be more mature and better able to handle criticism than his 40 something dad. 

And I imagine that the blowback that poor kid is getting for his weight is vicious because love it or lump it, people can be very blunt about weight.  It's all done under the guise of concern and care, so people get pretty bold.... especially behind a computer.  

[iwasish]

13 hours ago, RealReality said:

This!  How is a 12 year old kid supposed to be more mature and better able to handle criticism than his 40 something dad. 

And I imagine that the blowback that poor kid is getting for his weight is vicious because love it or lump it, people can be very blunt about weight.  It's all done under the guise of concern and care, so people get pretty bold.... especially behind a computer.  

And then having a stepmother who sits at the dinner table lamenting how “fat” she’s gotten eating American food. CeCe is also hearing that type comment. 

[Christina]

Several days/weeks/months/years/decades/damn this season dragged/long ago, I posted that I thought Michael was a fraud and was trying to upload some screencaps that wouldn't load because it said they were too large. Since then, I was distracted by anything else more exciting and decided I didn't really care. However, I had saved some info thinking I was going to add it here, never did, but decided I may as well summarize it here before I delete them from my computer, since I said I would and just in case they manage to get their Modern Family-ish spin off.

The most interesting part of the rabbit hole I went down involved the massive frauds, lawsuits, counterfeit sub culture, and general juvenile, petty behaviors in the wine business. It's one of those things that would be too unbelievable if it was a movie or book. Take your mafia, traffickers, money launderers, and counterfeiters, and throw in people with money to blow who want something no one else has or so that no one else can have it, just because, and it gets mind-blowingly stupid how people act. Michael has never been charged criminally or sued personally for any of the frauds, but he, as the managing director, along with the auction director have been named in the online gossip as having had to know some of the things were going on. Their employer was the one fined and sued.

There are a few things that caused me to hit a brick wall, other than deciding I didn't really care and they are now old news, and the primary one is that to prove my theories, I would need to see the actual records that are behind pay walls. In the US, there are many things that are public record, and I can tell, for instance, that Michael has incorporated five businesses in Ct., but can't see the Articles of Incorporation or tax filings that show what those businesses actually are. Generally, that would be all a member of the public would need, but it's not enough for my claims, and is the equivalent of operating with no information at all. On top of that, there are records for a Michael J-e-N-s-e-n and this Michael's last name is J-e-s-s-e-n. Jenson has ties to both Indiana and NY, is married to a Sarah, and is wine enthusiast. Without seeing if the actual records show it is this Michael, it's possible that it's coincidental as opposed to a typo when entering the record, which is pretty normal. The names Michael and Sarah are really common and all the wine businesses end up flowing through NY, so it may be him or not.

There is also a big problem with the fact they have deleted a lot of things, including old Twitter accounts, Instagram accounts, reported Reddit and Facebook posts so that they were removed, and I couldn't get them back with creddit or removeddit. At this point, this can never be more than a Crazy Internet Lady Conspiracy Theory (CILCT) unless one of them wants to release records proving or disproving the CTs, and there is no reason anyone would ever do so.

When the commercial for their season first aired, we saw a 60-year-old looking man exclaiming "She is NOT a prostitute!" in reference to a teenage looking young lady. People thought we had another Mark and Nikki and dug into to their social media accounts. Then, when the episode aired showing Juliana heading into the immigration hearing, the show made it sound like she was 20. People thought there was no way he could have tried to get her two travel visas, spent time with her in other countries, and dated for two or three years, depending on when they were saying it, if he hadn't met her when she was underage. That's when the first real deep dive started. It turned out she was 21 or 22 during that scene, but that wasn't clarified for awhile. 

There were a few Reddit and Facebook threads where people had created timelines for Juliana and added Michael to them, mostly in an attempt to prove she was underage when they first met, and determined the dates from the Instagram posts. There was still a problem of them not really knowing the dates things were filmed or their actual ages. Eventually, it was confirmed that when both Juliana and Michael were photographed on a yacht during the same week, Juliana would have been 20-years and a few months old. If Michael had any contact with her prior to that, it was not on social media, and she put everything on IG. It's also confirmed that he really is only 42/43, but that is as hard to believe as Angela, Laura and Jenny being 52/53. All four of them have shaved 20 years off their ages and there is no fact that will change my opinion about it.

The ultimate conclusion of my Crazy Internet Lady Conspiracy Theory is the same as so many others have put forth; Michael is using creative, but legal, accounting practices and financing his lifestyle. I also still believe that Sarah is the one with the money in that relationship. The support for these CTs will be under the spoiler tabs, because this is long enough already.

Here are some supporting dates for the CILCTs:

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• 12/12/1976 - Sarah's birthday
• 06/11/1977 - Michael's birthday
• 09/05/1996 - Juliana's birthday
• 2000-ish. Michael graduates from Indiana State University. (It's on his LinkedIn but I didn't look)
• 2000-2003 - Worked for a company for three years, during which he found he had a super interest in wine.
• 2001 - The auction arm of Zachys Wine Auctions was established after breaking away from Christie's Auction House
• 2003 - Michael was hired to work for the auction branch of Zachys as the business grew. During his time with Zachys, there were several claims of counterfeit wines being sold, purchases being made but not received, and general retail issues, all of which Michael had his hands in as the Managing Director. Michael has never been charged criminally or sued in his individual capacity for any of the claims; it seems to be pretty routine and rampant in the wine industry.
• 2003-2013 - Zachys partnered in several joint auctions with a company called Wally's Wines and Spirits out of Los Angeles,
• 2009 - Zachys was sued by a Billionaire Wine Investor (BWI). I've decided to move this to another spoiler tab. 
• 2010 - Pearl of Burgundy is created by three friends in Hong Kong
• 12/01/2011 - Michael and Sarah purchase home in Ct for $605,000
• June 2013 - Wally's was purchased by BWI and his brother. Michael, along with three others, jumped ship from Zachys to Wally's.
• November 2013 - Wally's first auction did not go great. I'm only including this because it is the ONLY time I read anything negative about Michael when it came to his job and knowledge about wine. Of all the gossip, forum discussions and news reports, many which claim he knew of or who should have known about the frauds, all stated he knew wine and that is why they didn't believe he didn't realize the counterfeits and swaps. 
• August 2015 - Michael leaves Wally's. During 2015, several business endeavors owned by BWI were having issues with people finding the owners to be too horrible to work with and in December 2019, they were sued for violating several employment laws in California. Michael's reason for leaving was never disclosed publicly, but he said nice things about his time there. Online gossip was a different story.
• 08/12/2015 - Michael incorporates Michael Jessen Advisory Group, LLC (1183307) as the sole member.
• November 2015 - Michael associates with Pearl of Burgundy, a Honk Kong corporation, with the intent to represent PoB's expansion in the Americas.
• 04/25/2016 - Sarah filed for divorce
• 06/07/2017 - Marriage Dissolution is final.
• November 2018 - Michael and Juliana become engaged in London, England
• 11/06/2018 - Michael incorporates Pearl of Burgundy USA, LLC (1289905); Licataa Financing Partners, LLC (1289904); Waka/Jawaka Capital Partners, LLC (1289907); JMJ Imports, LLC (1289909)  
• 10/12/2019 - Michael and Juliana marry.  Imgur link of the marriage license.

I'm one of the people who think that Sarah had the money in the relationship. There are a few reasons, but like everything else, no real proof. So, here is my CILCT:

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Very early in the season it was disclosed that Sarah's father had a large construction business and Sarah was running it after his death. There were a few supporting articles for it, but Sarah's name isn't uncommon enough that I thought it was a proven fact. I never tried to research it myself, however.

She just came across as someone more comfortable with what she had and he comes across as super flashy. There was an IG Live where she was super wasted, but insisted she was just nervous, and you could see her living area and a bit of the rest of her house. It was nothing exorbitant. When Michael brought the kids home from trick-r-treating and made the crass joke about people wanting his wife to perform tricks, they were in an area with a couch with a huge tear in it. People noticed immediately and wondered why she didn't have it reupholstered. I think that is the kids area and there is no reason to have good furniture where twelve year old boys play. The part of her living room that showed in her Live would have been a pain to block for filming, due in part to all of the windows.

Michael, on the other hand, shows off his cars, guitars, shoes, has ugly jewelry designed for his bride, has spent upwards of $140k since getting with Juliana, and feels the need to share his expenditures with everyone.

Michael leaving Wally's and establishing his own business looks like the beginning to the end of the marriage. He joins with BoP and starts traveling around the world, much more than previously, and Sarah filed for divorce. I originally thought he may have created that business in an effort to separate their assets during the divorce, which was the only reason I looked up the divorce records. The very first article I found it on said that they were divorced in December 2019, two months after Michael wed Juliana, so I went to the actual docket FST-FA16-6028357-S (I don't know if that will link directly or you'd have to do a search, and won't know until I clear my cache) for the dates. 

While scrolling through it for the dates, I came across two little tidbits. Without seeing the documents, it looks like Sarah had to be ordered to disclose some income information she was refusing to share and had to pay Michael's attorney's fees for that motion and hearing. She also may have been the one who was ordered to pay child support due to her income being higher than his. It's also possible that there is no child support obligation, at all, and the documents were waiving the State's assistance in collections.

On December 1, 2011, Michael and Sarah purchased their marital home for $605,000 with a mortgage of $580,000. On July 3, 2013, the mortgage was paid off and it does not appear that there is another mortgage on that property. Sarah received it in the divorce, and Michael signed a Quit Claim Deed over to her. This is about five months after her father is rumored to have passed away and one month after he left Zachys for Wally's. 

Sarah married her current husband in December, 2019, which was probably the error on the previous article, and is funding his music career. He doesn't come across as flashy as Michael, either.

The majority of the support for Michael financing his lifestyle was on Reddit and Twitter, and has been removed. Not even creddit or removeedit pulled it back up, and the reddit.io search engine only showed some of the comments. But I'll put the allegations under the spoiler tab:

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A few years ago, Michael was a guest on a podcast and responded that he would post some information on his Twitter account. He answered whatever the wine question was and then someone asked him about a photograph of him with a guitar, wondering if it was authentic or a reproduction of a $100k+ guitar. He responded that it was neither, but a different model that was a tenth of the price. He then joked that he couldn't play a guitar that cost so much because he'd be afraid to damage it.

More recently, Juliana was on an IG Live showing off the guitars and people were debating whether they were authentic or reproductions because there were so many of them. At some point, Michael jumps in and claims that some of the guitars are authentic whatevers, people argue about how you can tell they are not, and someone links the previous Twitter thread where he said the one guitar wasn't authentic but now was saying it is.

Just like people are able to see clothes, shoes and purses on television and are able to tell if they are real or not, there are people that can tell the same about guitars. I am not one of those people. If he does have $1 Million dollars in guitars, he's just displaying them on racks for the thieves to easily access, but the general consensus was that they are replicas that he is trying to pass off as authentic.

That goes for shoes and watches, too. He has shown off some of his watches and people are suggesting they are not real. The general consensus is that they are real but cheaper models. [Side Note: the luxury watch industry is every bit as shady as the wine business.] The shoes were not shown clearly enough for people to be certain, but he had a closet full of them and I think they were supposedly Nikes. 

Then we come to the cars, another thing I'm not an expert on. On Reddit, someone posted a screenshot of one of Michael's cars showing that it was licensed in Indiana. He also showed how the tag showed that the car was registered to a certain county and in that county was a business that leased high-end cars. The photo was removed for doxxing, even though the tag was blurred and the accompanying UCC Filing that was suggested to be regarding the car was deleted too. There were a few comments remaining and some people did not think that was the car he from the show but just stock footage, but most people disagreed and thought it was the car and he is leasing it as opposed to owning it outright. So, it's not one of his assets, just a short-term toy.

There was another pretty longish Reddit post about his current house purchase. He paid approx $1.2 Million with $250k down, which all the real estate and accounting people agree meant that he couldn't get the mortgage without putting twenty-five percent down because his income/debt ratio was too high. He started his own business three years prior and was divorced two years prior and I would think that would play havoc with the loan decisions, too, but others did not.

He's flashy and likes to show off toys, which may or may not be authentic. Also, Juliana said he isn't that rich.

All five of Michael's businesses are active, but none have any web presence. In fact, you only see them on the SOS site. Why he has five, though, rolls through the conspiracy theories involving financial funnels, lines of credit, heat sinks and shuffling assets

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Michael Jessen Advisory Group, LLC was created as he left Wally's. That would have been the first time he hadn't worked through a company where he would receive W-2s or 1099s, so the business makes sense for tax purposes.

There are a few Pearl of Burgundy businesses found by searching, and I suspect that is why Michael finally decided to register it, three years after beginning to work with them. It helps with trademark issues in the future. It can also help separate the income and expenses for tastings and auctions regarding that business specifically. 

I suspect that JMJ Imports, LLC and Waka/Jawaka Capital Partners, LLC were created for Juliana and the kids. Michael loans some money to the businesses, then purchases assets, like wine in Juliana and the kids' birth years, guitars, other assets. When the kids get out of college they will have a nice fund of appreciated assets. It also would explain why Sarah was asking about a pre-nush and how to protect the kids. In a divorce, Waka/Jawaka would be a marital asset.

Licataa Financing Partners, LLC is the one that set the radars off for being shady. There is a man with the last name Licata who has been in trouble with every three letter abbreviated government agency in the US. He had an exclusive contract with a small vineyard in Italy to bottle a wine he named Licata (single A at the end) and had wine tastings and advertisements already in place. It didn't make any sense for Michael to create Licataa (two A at the end) when Licata would have the trademark. So, I thought he may have been sitting in the wings to purchase the contract from the Bankruptcy Court after Mr. Licata was sent to prison.

Then, I came across some tariff issues that made that theory much more unlikely, and it was more likely he just negotiated with the vineyard directly, continued to use the name to ride the previous advertising, and I couldn't suggest it was underhanded since Licata was likely on his way to prison. 

Michael doesn't sell the wine retail, but imports it for others to sell, including Raekwon the Chef from Wu Tang through his business Licataa Wine

 

  There was a considerable amount of gossip suggesting that Michael had to know about how the fraud claim from BWI took place, and that he and the auction director where given jobs with Wally's because of their assistance with helping BWI prove his case. If true, Michael continued to work for Zachys for two years before moving to Wally's. This is a summary of the fraud claim between Billionaire Wine Investor and Zachys:

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Billionaire Wine Investor alleged that Zachys sold him 8 cases of counterfeit 1982 Petrus in 1991 as well as some other vintages of Petrus subsequently. In 2009 he decided to consign a lot of the Petrus to auction. His complaint alleges that Matt Chung, then of Zachys, inspected the wines in his cellar in January of 2009 and accepted them, and removed them to Zachy's warehouse. Then in March of 2009 Zachy's told him that it was refusing to auction the 1982 Petrus because they were counterfeit.

BWI then filed a lawsuit against Zachys, but his lawyer appears to have outsmarted himself. The lawsuit essentially alleged that BWI was blameless -- either the eight cases of 1982 Petrus were counterfeit when he bought them in 1991 or the wines were legitimate when sold and Zachy's Auctions switched the legitimate bottles for counterfeits between January of 2009 when the wines were accepted by Zachy's and March of 2009 when Zachy's informed him that the wines were counterfeit.

After BWI filed his lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court, Zachy's moved to compel arbitration based upon the auction consignment agreement signed by BWI in 2009. As the Court properly noted, only the claims relating to the auction agreement would be subject to arbitration, i.e. the claim that Zachy's switched fake bottles for his legitimate ones (which was an alternative "either/or" type claim.) The Court said that claim was properly subject to arbitration in New York, but that the claim based upon sale of counterfeit wines back in 1991 was not subject to arbitration, so the Court stayed the prosecution of the 1991 sale claims and ordered the "auction-related" claims to arbitration in New York. BWI's plan to prosecute the lawsuit as an "either/or" claim in front of a jury was thus frustrated and he was left with trying to prove in arbitration that Zachy's took his 8 cases of legitimate 1982 Petrus and substituted counterfeits in the boxes.

The case was eventually resolved in some fashion and was dismissed in August of 2010, but the arbitration was sealed. 

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I've lost the link I copied that from, but it is from an article, not me. There have been other claims, too, but this one is the one that it is alleged resulting in Michael getting the job at Wally's.

Finally, I decided to not look any further into the rapidly shifting timeline given by Juliana, because it's more depressing than snarkworthy. Mens (and other adults) have controlled Juliana from a young age. She has decided to claim she was nineteen when so many things happened, even though she couldn't have been, but accidentally told the truth about being seventeen when she got married as she told the story to Sarah, which had already been discovered.

Between her 35-year-old husband and Michael, there was a 45-year-old boyfriend named Luigi and another man named Kayque (sp?) where Juliana all but stated they were sugar daddies. When she would speak about them during her AMAs, she talked about how they paid her bills, etc. 

Here is a 5 minute video on Youtube from the NY Times about finding models in Brazil, and there is a full length movie with English subtitles on Youtube name Angels of the Sun about a man who unintentionally sold his daughter into prostitution. Even though Juliana has not claimed this was her life, it's not real snarkworthy and it's where the dots look to connect when trying to create a timeline for her. Now that we know she was not a minor when Michael met her, it's only offending Juliana to dig it up. 

[Christina]

Apparently, Juliana has been dropping little clues that she has received her work permit and signed onto a modeling agency here in the US. This little video clip has her saying something about working in NY next week, so it's probably true.

 

[mamadrama]

2 hours ago, Christina said:

Several days/weeks/months/years/decades/damn this season dragged/long ago, I posted that I thought Michael was a fraud and was trying to upload some screencaps that wouldn't load because it said they were too large. Since then, I was distracted by anything else more exciting and decided I didn't really care. However, I had saved some info thinking I was going to add it here, never did, but decided I may as well summarize it here before I delete them from my computer, since I said I would and just in case they manage to get their Modern Family-ish spin off.

The most interesting part of the rabbit hole I went down involved the massive frauds, lawsuits, counterfeit sub culture, and general juvenile, petty behaviors in the wine business. It's one of those things that would be too unbelievable if it was a movie or book. Take your mafia, traffickers, money launderers, and counterfeiters, and throw in people with money to blow who want something no one else has or so that no one else can have it, just because, and it gets mind-blowingly stupid how people act. Michael has never been charged criminally or sued personally for any of the frauds, but he, as the managing director, along with the auction director have been named in the online gossip as having had to know some of the things were going on. Their employer was the one fined and sued.

There are a few things that caused me to hit a brick wall, other than deciding I didn't really care and they are now old news, and the primary one is that to prove my theories, I would need to see the actual records that are behind pay walls. In the US, there are many things that are public record, and I can tell, for instance, that Michael has incorporated five businesses in Ct., but can't see the Articles of Incorporation or tax filings that show what those businesses actually are. Generally, that would be all a member of the public would need, but it's not enough for my claims, and is the equivalent of operating with no information at all. On top of that, there are records for a Michael J-e-N-s-e-n and this Michael's last name is J-e-s-s-e-n. Jenson has ties to both Indiana and NY, is married to a Sarah, and is wine enthusiast. Without seeing if the actual records show it is this Michael, it's possible that it's coincidental as opposed to a typo when entering the record, which is pretty normal. The names Michael and Sarah are really common and all the wine businesses end up flowing through NY, so it may be him or not.

There is also a big problem with the fact they have deleted a lot of things, including old Twitter accounts, Instagram accounts, reported Reddit and Facebook posts so that they were removed, and I couldn't get them back with creddit or removeddit. At this point, this can never be more than a Crazy Internet Lady Conspiracy Theory (CILCT) unless one of them wants to release records proving or disproving the CTs, and there is no reason anyone would ever do so.

When the commercial for their season first aired, we saw a 60-year-old looking man exclaiming "She is NOT a prostitute!" in reference to a teenage looking young lady. People thought we had another Mark and Nikki and dug into to their social media accounts. Then, when the episode aired showing Juliana heading into the immigration hearing, the show made it sound like she was 20. People thought there was no way he could have tried to get her two travel visas, spent time with her in other countries, and dated for two or three years, depending on when they were saying it, if he hadn't met her when she was underage. That's when the first real deep dive started. It turned out she was 21 or 22 during that scene, but that wasn't clarified for awhile. 

There were a few Reddit and Facebook threads where people had created timelines for Juliana and added Michael to them, mostly in an attempt to prove she was underage when they first met, and determined the dates from the Instagram posts. There was still a problem of them not really knowing the dates things were filmed or their actual ages. Eventually, it was confirmed that when both Juliana and Michael were photographed on a yacht during the same week, Juliana would have been 20-years and a few months old. If Michael had any contact with her prior to that, it was not on social media, and she put everything on IG. It's also confirmed that he really is only 42/43, but that is as hard to believe as Angela, Laura and Jenny being 52/53. All four of them have shaved 20 years off their ages and there is no fact that will change my opinion about it.

The ultimate conclusion of my Crazy Internet Lady Conspiracy Theory is the same as so many others have put forth; Michael is using creative, but legal, accounting practices and financing his lifestyle. I also still believe that Sarah is the one with the money in that relationship. The support for these CTs will be under the spoiler tabs, because this is long enough already.

Here are some supporting dates for the CILCTs:

  Reveal spoiler

• 12/12/1976 - Sarah's birthday
• 06/11/1977 - Michael's birthday
• 09/05/1996 - Juliana's birthday
• 2000-ish. Michael graduates from Indiana State University. (It's on his LinkedIn but I didn't look)
• 2000-2003 - Worked for a company for three years, during which he found he had a super interest in wine.
• 2001 - The auction arm of Zachys Wine Auctions was established after breaking away from Christie's Auction House
• 2003 - Michael was hired to work for the auction branch of Zachys as the business grew. During his time with Zachys, there were several claims of counterfeit wines being sold, purchases being made but not received, and general retail issues, all of which Michael had his hands in as the Managing Director. Michael has never been charged criminally or sued in his individual capacity for any of the claims; it seems to be pretty routine and rampant in the wine industry.
• 2003-2013 - Zachys partnered in several joint auctions with a company called Wally's Wines and Spirits out of Los Angeles,
• 2009 - Zachys was sued by a Billionaire Wine Investor (BWI). I've decided to move this to another spoiler tab. 
• 2010 - Pearl of Burgundy is created by three friends in Hong Kong
• 12/01/2011 - Michael and Sarah purchase home in Ct for $605,000
• June 2013 - Wally's was purchased by BWI and his brother. Michael, along with three others, jumped ship from Zachys to Wally's.
• November 2013 - Wally's first auction did not go great. I'm only including this because it is the ONLY time I read anything negative about Michael when it came to his job and knowledge about wine. Of all the gossip, forum discussions and news reports, many which claim he knew of or who should have known about the frauds, all stated he knew wine and that is why they didn't believe he didn't realize the counterfeits and swaps. 
• August 2015 - Michael leaves Wally's. During 2015, several business endeavors owned by BWI were having issues with people finding the owners to be too horrible to work with and in December 2019, they were sued for violating several employment laws in California. Michael's reason for leaving was never disclosed publicly, but he said nice things about his time there. Online gossip was a different story.
• 08/12/2015 - Michael incorporates Michael Jessen Advisory Group, LLC (1183307) as the sole member.
• November 2015 - Michael associates with Pearl of Burgundy, a Honk Kong corporation, with the intent to represent PoB's expansion in the Americas.
• 04/25/2016 - Sarah filed for divorce
• 06/07/2017 - Marriage Dissolution is final.
• November 2018 - Michael and Juliana become engaged in London, England
• 11/06/2018 - Michael incorporates Pearl of Burgundy USA, LLC (1289905); Licataa Financing Partners, LLC (1289904); Waka/Jawaka Capital Partners, LLC (1289907); JMJ Imports, LLC (1289909)  
• 10/12/2019 - Michael and Juliana marry.  Imgur link of the marriage license.

I'm one of the people who think that Sarah had the money in the relationship. There are a few reasons, but like everything else, no real proof. So, here is my CILCT:

  Reveal spoiler

Very early in the season it was disclosed that Sarah's father had a large construction business and Sarah was running it after his death. There were a few supporting articles for it, but Sarah's name isn't uncommon enough that I thought it was a proven fact. I never tried to research it myself, however.

She just came across as someone more comfortable with what she had and he comes across as super flashy. There was an IG Live where she was super wasted, but insisted she was just nervous, and you could see her living area and a bit of the rest of her house. It was nothing exorbitant. When Michael brought the kids home from trick-r-treating and made the crass joke about people wanting his wife to perform tricks, they were in an area with a couch with a huge tear in it. People noticed immediately and wondered why she didn't have it reupholstered. I think that is the kids area and there is no reason to have good furniture where twelve year old boys play. The part of her living room that showed in her Live would have been a pain to block for filming, due in part to all of the windows.

Michael, on the other hand, shows off his cars, guitars, shoes, has ugly jewelry designed for his bride, has spent upwards of $140k since getting with Juliana, and feels the need to share his expenditures with everyone.

Michael leaving Wally's and establishing his own business looks like the beginning to the end of the marriage. He joins with BoP and starts traveling around the world, much more than previously, and Sarah filed for divorce. I originally thought he may have created that business in an effort to separate their assets during the divorce, which was the only reason I looked up the divorce records. The very first article I found it on said that they were divorced in December 2019, two months after Michael wed Juliana, so I went to the actual docket FST-FA16-6028357-S (I don't know if that will link directly or you'd have to do a search, and won't know until I clear my cache) for the dates. 

While scrolling through it for the dates, I came across two little tidbits. Without seeing the documents, it looks like Sarah had to be ordered to disclose some income information she was refusing to share and had to pay Michael's attorney's fees for that motion and hearing. She also may have been the one who was ordered to pay child support due to her income being higher than his. It's also possible that there is no child support obligation, at all, and the documents were waiving the State's assistance in collections.

On December 1, 2011, Michael and Sarah purchased their marital home for $605,000 with a mortgage of $580,000. On July 3, 2013, the mortgage was paid off and it does not appear that there is another mortgage on that property. Sarah received it in the divorce, and Michael signed a Quit Claim Deed over to her. This is about five months after her father is rumored to have passed away and one month after he left Zachys for Wally's. 

Sarah married her current husband in December, 2019, which was probably the error on the previous article, and is funding his music career. He doesn't come across as flashy as Michael, either.

The majority of the support for Michael financing his lifestyle was on Reddit and Twitter, and has been removed. Not even creddit or removeedit pulled it back up, and the reddit.io search engine only showed some of the comments. But I'll put the allegations under the spoiler tab:

  Reveal spoiler

A few years ago, Michael was a guest on a podcast and responded that he would post some information on his Twitter account. He answered whatever the wine question was and then someone asked him about a photograph of him with a guitar, wondering if it was authentic or a reproduction of a $100k+ guitar. He responded that it was neither, but a different model that was a tenth of the price. He then joked that he couldn't play a guitar that cost so much because he'd be afraid to damage it.

More recently, Juliana was on an IG Live showing off the guitars and people were debating whether they were authentic or reproductions because there were so many of them. At some point, Michael jumps in and claims that some of the guitars are authentic whatevers, people argue about how you can tell they are not, and someone links the previous Twitter thread where he said the one guitar wasn't authentic but now was saying it is.

Just like people are able to see clothes, shoes and purses on television and are able to tell if they are real or not, there are people that can tell the same about guitars. I am not one of those people. If he does have $1 Million dollars in guitars, he's just displaying them on racks for the thieves to easily access, but the general consensus was that they are replicas that he is trying to pass off as authentic.

That goes for shoes and watches, too. He has shown off some of his watches and people are suggesting they are not real. The general consensus is that they are real but cheaper models. [Side Note: the luxury watch industry is every bit as shady as the wine business.] The shoes were not shown clearly enough for people to be certain, but he had a closet full of them and I think they were supposedly Nikes. 

Then we come to the cars, another thing I'm not an expert on. On Reddit, someone posted a screenshot of one of Michael's cars showing that it was licensed in Indiana. He also showed how the tag showed that the car was registered to a certain county and in that county was a business that leased high-end cars. The photo was removed for doxxing, even though the tag was blurred and the accompanying UCC Filing that was suggested to be regarding the car was deleted too. There were a few comments remaining and some people did not think that was the car he from the show but just stock footage, but most people disagreed and thought it was the car and he is leasing it as opposed to owning it outright. So, it's not one of his assets, just a short-term toy.

There was another pretty longish Reddit post about his current house purchase. He paid approx $1.2 Million with $250k down, which all the real estate and accounting people agree meant that he couldn't get the mortgage without putting twenty-five percent down because his income/debt ratio was too high. He started his own business three years prior and was divorced two years prior and I would think that would play havoc with the loan decisions, too, but others did not.

He's flashy and likes to show off toys, which may or may not be authentic. Also, Juliana said he isn't that rich.

All five of Michael's businesses are active, but none have any web presence. In fact, you only see them on the SOS site. Why he has five, though, rolls through the conspiracy theories involving financial funnels, lines of credit, heat sinks and shuffling assets

  Reveal spoiler

Michael Jessen Advisory Group, LLC was created as he left Wally's. That would have been the first time he hadn't worked through a company where he would receive W-2s or 1099s, so the business makes sense for tax purposes.

There are a few Pearl of Burgundy businesses found by searching, and I suspect that is why Michael finally decided to register it, three years after beginning to work with them. It helps with trademark issues in the future. It can also help separate the income and expenses for tastings and auctions regarding that business specifically. 

I suspect that JMJ Imports, LLC and Waka/Jawaka Capital Partners, LLC were created for Juliana and the kids. Michael loans some money to the businesses, then purchases assets, like wine in Juliana and the kids' birth years, guitars, other assets. When the kids get out of college they will have a nice fund of appreciated assets. It also would explain why Sarah was asking about a pre-nush and how to protect the kids. In a divorce, Waka/Jawaka would be a marital asset.

Licataa Financing Partners, LLC is the one that set the radars off for being shady. There is a man with the last name Licata who has been in trouble with every three letter abbreviated government agency in the US. He had an exclusive contract with a small vineyard in Italy to bottle a wine he named Licata (single A at the end) and had wine tastings and advertisements already in place. It didn't make any sense for Michael to create Licataa (two A at the end) when Licata would have the trademark. So, I thought he may have been sitting in the wings to purchase the contract from the Bankruptcy Court after Mr. Licata was sent to prison.

Then, I came across some tariff issues that made that theory much more unlikely, and it was more likely he just negotiated with the vineyard directly, continued to use the name to ride the previous advertising, and I couldn't suggest it was underhanded since Licata was likely on his way to prison. 

Michael doesn't sell the wine retail, but imports it for others to sell, including Raekwon the Chef from Wu Tang through his business Licataa Wine

 

  There was a considerable amount of gossip suggesting that Michael had to know about how the fraud claim from BWI took place, and that he and the auction director where given jobs with Wally's because of their assistance with helping BWI prove his case. If true, Michael continued to work for Zachys for two years before moving to Wally's. This is a summary of the fraud claim between Billionaire Wine Investor and Zachys:

  Reveal spoiler

Billionaire Wine Investor alleged that Zachys sold him 8 cases of counterfeit 1982 Petrus in 1991 as well as some other vintages of Petrus subsequently. In 2009 he decided to consign a lot of the Petrus to auction. His complaint alleges that Matt Chung, then of Zachys, inspected the wines in his cellar in January of 2009 and accepted them, and removed them to Zachy's warehouse. Then in March of 2009 Zachy's told him that it was refusing to auction the 1982 Petrus because they were counterfeit.

BWI then filed a lawsuit against Zachys, but his lawyer appears to have outsmarted himself. The lawsuit essentially alleged that BWI was blameless -- either the eight cases of 1982 Petrus were counterfeit when he bought them in 1991 or the wines were legitimate when sold and Zachy's Auctions switched the legitimate bottles for counterfeits between January of 2009 when the wines were accepted by Zachy's and March of 2009 when Zachy's informed him that the wines were counterfeit.

After BWI filed his lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court, Zachy's moved to compel arbitration based upon the auction consignment agreement signed by BWI in 2009. As the Court properly noted, only the claims relating to the auction agreement would be subject to arbitration, i.e. the claim that Zachy's switched fake bottles for his legitimate ones (which was an alternative "either/or" type claim.) The Court said that claim was properly subject to arbitration in New York, but that the claim based upon sale of counterfeit wines back in 1991 was not subject to arbitration, so the Court stayed the prosecution of the 1991 sale claims and ordered the "auction-related" claims to arbitration in New York. BWI's plan to prosecute the lawsuit as an "either/or" claim in front of a jury was thus frustrated and he was left with trying to prove in arbitration that Zachy's took his 8 cases of legitimate 1982 Petrus and substituted counterfeits in the boxes.

The case was eventually resolved in some fashion and was dismissed in August of 2010, but the arbitration was sealed. 

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I've lost the link I copied that from, but it is from an article, not me. There have been other claims, too, but this one is the one that it is alleged resulting in Michael getting the job at Wally's.

Finally, I decided to not look any further into the rapidly shifting timeline given by Juliana, because it's more depressing than snarkworthy. Mens (and other adults) have controlled Juliana from a young age. She has decided to claim she was nineteen when so many things happened, even though she couldn't have been, but accidentally told the truth about being seventeen when she got married as she told the story to Sarah, which had already been discovered.

Between her 35-year-old husband and Michael, there was a 45-year-old boyfriend named Luigi and another man named Kayque (sp?) where Juliana all but stated they were sugar daddies. When she would speak about them during her AMAs, she talked about how they paid her bills, etc. 

Here is a 5 minute video on Youtube from the NY Times about finding models in Brazil, and there is a full length movie with English subtitles on Youtube name Angels of the Sun about a man who unintentionally sold his daughter into prostitution. Even though Juliana has not claimed this was her life, it's not real snarkworthy and it's where the dots look to connect when trying to create a timeline for her. Now that we know she was not a minor when Michael met her, it's only offending Juliana to dig it up. 

I've met and hung out with Juliana, and Michael to an extent, on 3 different occasions now and we correspond on Facebook. He's even more of a douche in person than how he comes across on TV, but she comes across much better. If some of her stories are embellished, IMO (and without blurting things out that may have been said in confidence) it's only because the truth is much bleaker. As you say, nothing snarkworthy there. There are moments when I think she looks a little dead in the eyes and that's just sad to me. I've reached the point where I feel like if she IS making up some things here and there it's because she wants to try to forget some of the bad things that have happened-not because she's trying to garner sympathy in a nefarious kind of way. The poverty is real. It may not be Karine-on-the-Amazon type of poverty, but urban poverty comes with its own challenges. Someone once said, "That may not have been the way it happened, but it's my memory and I'll remember it the way I want to." Her story and experiences don't affect me, nor do any of the others, so I've become much more "whatever" about some of these things. 

[Frozendiva]

I still wonder about what the motivation was for all these folks to do this show. 15 minutes of fame? The whole narrative smelled fishier than a fish market. There are folks out there who do have the time and ability to investigate this - if they cared.

The Jessens wanting some sort of reality show of their own would find that the can of worms has a sub-bottom or two. And yes, someone will dig deeper.

Move on with their lives, and fade away.

Edited February 25, 2020 by Frozendiva

[Christina]

22 hours ago, mamadrama said:

If some of her stories are embellished, IMO (and without blurting things out that may have been said in confidence) it's only because the truth is much bleaker. As you say, nothing snarkworthy there.

I was pleasantly surprised when, after it was confirmed that she was 20 when they met, people on Reddit stopped digging and deleted posts filling in the holes in her story. There are still some timelines and screencaps on FB, but Redditors realized what was probably up and backed away.

They put themselves on the show, told a ridiculous story of Michael being wealthy knight who saved Juliana from starvation, and were surprised that people scoffed at it, but Juliana is the only one who would be hurt from reveals of her timeline.

12 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

I still wonder about what the motivation was for all these folks to do this show. 15 minutes of fame? The whole narrative smelled fishier than a fish market. There are folks out there who do have the time and ability to investigate this - if they cared.

The Jessens wanting some sort of reality show of their own would find that the can of worms has a sub-bottom or two. And yes, someone will dig deeper.

Move on with their lives, and fade away.

I think Michael expected to be seen as a wealthy savior and they all thought they could be on a Modern Family show, where they show good co-parenting, but no one is really biting. No good can come from being on this network, let alone this particular show. 

I don't see how it helps Michael's wine business or Juliana's modeling career.

[RealReality]

7 hours ago, Christina said:

 

I think Michael expected to be seen as a wealthy savior and they all thought they could be on a Modern Family show, where they show good co-parenting,

but no one is really biting. No good can come from being on this network, let alone this particular show. 

I don't see how it helps Michael's wine business or Juliana's modeling career.

So much this!  

Has this show ever launched anyone's career ventures?  How much modelling have Pao or Fernanda done? How many pashminas has Jonathan sold?  How many more acting roles has Libby gotten from this show?  How much clothing did anyone buy from House of 7/11? Do you think anyone is waiting for the new Blake single to drop?  Who is lining up for tanias pretend soap and syngins maybe tables?

This show is in its seventh season and people still labor under the misguided notion that this show is going to translate into long term financial success.  

No!  People are going to snark on you.  And maybe you can parlay this in an Etsy store or some free Botox.  That's going to be about it.  

[Frozendiva]

 

[Christina]

Juliana has dead eyes in some of these photos. Hopefully, it's just the Ct winters sapping her energy. People really don't give seasonal depression much consideration.

 

[Spike]

7 hours ago, Christina said:

Juliana has dead eyes in some of these photos. Hopefully, it's just the Ct winters sapping her energy. People really don't give seasonal depression much consideration.

 

I’d have dead eyes too If I had to let Michael climb on top of me.

[Christina]

What in the world is going on with all these vague posts? I'm not even posting most of them, but posting this one because I found a comment super funny.

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mom_moved_again - 90 day fiancé meets Wife Swap! That’s You and Anna and Juliana has to spend three days with Mursel in each other’s homes! My two favorite shows are doing a crossover!!! Yay!!! How do you and Juliana feel about beekeeping 😬

michael_jessen_77 - oh boy.... that could get really weird really fast 😆😆

owl_lover29 - lol that would be great I love mursel he makes me laugh they r so cute

bestofshelly - but actually u could be on to something!! That would be fun to watch!

 

[talktoomuch]

On 2/25/2020 at 2:53 AM, Christina said:

They put themselves on the show, told a ridiculous story of Michael being wealthy knight who saved Juliana from starvation, and were surprised that people scoffed at it, but Juliana is the only one who would be hurt from reveals of her timeline.

I'm confused about why you and others keep saying this. Are you saying that because she was potentially a minor when she started sugar babying that it's sad and not snark worthy? If so ITA.

But...I don't think that extends to all her other issues. Fact is she uses/used men for money. We know she bought a whole car (and who knows what else) on a man's credit card that she gave to her family whom she now claims she doesn't want to visit because they would be jealous.

And why do we know any of this? Because she chose to air it on a reality show! But we're supposed to give her a pass because she had a hard life of poverty? The same consideration is not paid to many of the other women on this show nor to any of the men.

Karine, Akinyi, Jay, hell even Michael and Usman have been dragged for being scammers and gold diggers. And we know for a fact that both Karine and Jay were underage when they got involved with their "saviors." But nobody hesitates to apply labels and dig into their back stories. So why the hands-off treatment of Juliana?

Edited March 4, 2020 by talktoomuch

[Christina]

2 hours ago, talktoomuch said:

I'm confused about why you and others keep saying this. Are you saying that because she was potentially a minor when she started sugar babying that it's sad and not snark worthy? If so ITA.

When people started trying to prove she was underage when Michael met her, the timeline showed she was quite young when several things took place. 

If we are to believe everything she says happened to her, then she was working as a model beginning around age eight, when she says she was working as a seamstress with her mom. They were involved in a very shady church at that time, and there are reported instances of child sex abuse. Juliana has not claimed that anything like that happened to her, though.

Taking her Instagram posts and adjusting for her age, after her birth date was learned, puts her on a yacht at age fourteen. That certainly doesn't mean she was working as a sex worker at that time, but any further research may make that possibility too hard to dispute, so people just dropped it.

Why anyone goes on this show and doesn't think their lives will be dug up is beyond me, but they really didn't. The fact Michael and Juliana have a transactional relationship has been discussed, along with her buying the car on his credit card when she thought the visa was going to fall through. We all know what yachters are doing, even though they insist there is no truth to them being sex workers and that all models on the yachts do not have sex with the guests, but barely anyone believes it. 

I think she was a sugar baby, she discussed two other men between her husband and Michael with terms suggesting they were sugar daddies, but sugar babies do not call themselves prostitutes and pretend it's not sex work because there is some semblance of a relationship there. 

2 hours ago, talktoomuch said:

And why do we know any of this? Because she chose to air it on a reality show! But we're supposed to give her a pass because she had a hard life of poverty?

I think we give her a pass for not admitting she worked as a sex worker when she was at an age she couldn't possibly consent to it and possibly returned to it of her own volition because of the poverty, having already had that decision taken from her. 

I feel like that doesn't make sense. I may be too tired to word it correctly. She's on the show making her fair game, some of us just don't want to re-abuse her by pointing out her probable abuse. Since they were in denial that anyone would look through their social media and discover her past posts, they didn't prepare by deleting them and expected their stupid storyline of Michael being a white knight to be accepted. 

[MajorNelson]

Age of consent in Brazil is 14 says wikipedia.  Does that affect anyone's views of these people's actions?

[Spike]

Sickening.  Some kids haven’t even hit puberty at 14.

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

Age of consent in Brazil is 14 says wikipedia.  Does that affect anyone's views of these people's actions?

Nope.   14 is still faaaar too young to be able to consent in an intelligent informed way.     

[Christina]

I'm still disturbed that she was married to a 35 year old when she was 17, to make God happy. 

She was the meal ticket for her family since she was young.

[talktoomuch]

On 3/4/2020 at 5:20 AM, Christina said:

I think we give her a pass for not admitting she worked as a sex worker when she was at an age she couldn't possibly consent to it and possibly returned to it of her own volition because of the poverty, having already had that decision taken from her. 

I feel like that doesn't make sense. I may be too tired to word it correctly. She's on the show making her fair game, some of us just don't want to re-abuse her by pointing out her probable abuse. Since they were in denial that anyone would look through their social media and discover her past posts, they didn't prepare by deleting them and expected their stupid storyline of Michael being a white knight to be accepted. 

Thank you so much @Christina! I really appreciate the breakdown and I truly get it. Now I'm sad for her. And Max and Cece.

And I see why she doesn't want her family to come over. Too hard to fudge your background in front of people who know. Not to mention that it's clear that she has real feelings for her new family now, and her bio family may not get that.

So she really needs to.put her foot down with Michael and Sarah and make them stop trying to be famous for this. She did it with the prenush.

[Christina]

According to these hashtags, neither Sharp nor TLC is involved with whatever they are filming

 

[Christina]

Max took this photo and posted it, which you can see is reposted by Michael with no context

People asked questions, including if he was gay. Michael then says it was a truth or dare at a sleepover and Max says, "Nope."  Back and forths over whether the question even needed to be asked ended up with 

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sherrymc48-  You should have said so in your post. Asking for people to throw hate and harass your son. Nothing at all wrong with being gay, but I feel you are baiting folks with this pic. Just my opinion.

michael_jessen_77 - I was being facetious.... and using reverse psychology.... I try to maintain a sense of humor about things 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

Michael is such a tool.

 

[Frozendiva]

Makes you wonder if they are still shopping for a show of their own. If they felt they got a bad edit, why keep this up? Thirst for more attention?

Who cares if a 12 year old boy is wearing any makeup. Let him goof around and have fun.

[Christina]

18 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Makes you wonder if they are still shopping for a show of their own. If they felt they got a bad edit, why keep this up? Thirst for more attention?

Who cares if a 12 year old boy is wearing any makeup. Let him goof around and have fun.

Absolutely no one, which is why he had to repost it to his account with a bad attitude in hopes of getting attention. People were saying how funny Max was and didn't receive any attention from WineDouche. then finally, someone asked if he was gay so WD had someone to go off on. 

They filmed something but have not said what, so they probably are still shopping for a show.

[Frozendiva]

It looked like some attention seeking. Both kids may go through a punk phase, Goth phase, anime/cosplay, etc. 

[seacliffsal]

I just wish this thirsty family would leave the kids out of it.  It seems like the adults are depending on the kids for whatever "fame" they are seeking as there was a notable lack of interest based upon the adults and the blending of their family.  Sarah really emphasized how unique it was that she officiated at their wedding, yet nobody really cared.  Probably trying to find any angle that will work so are heavily focused on the kids.  Please allow the kids to just have normal childhoods and experiences without having to worry about being social media or reality t.v. "stars."  It's way too much pressure on children.

[RealReality]

On 3/8/2020 at 1:21 PM, Frozendiva said:

Makes you wonder if they are still shopping for a show of their own. If they felt they got a bad edit, why keep this up? Thirst for more attention?

Who cares if a 12 year old boy is wearing any makeup. Let him goof around and have fun.

I feel like they are on the very dangerous edge of a new style of parenting where kids are treated as equals.  Whatever they want is best and they are capable of making decisions in their best interest. 

But they are not, they are kids and they need parents to protect them.  

They both know that max has taken shit for being a little on the bigger side.  So instead of taking him off social media for a while, they double down and post pictures of him that are sure to garner even more hate and judgment.  

And it's not even about max!  Michael's post is all about Michael "tell me what a shitty parent I am haters!"

Yeah Max may have said, sure put the picture up, it's fine.....but he is a kid and this barrage of criticism has to effect his self esteem.  I truly think that when I was growing up, my parents would have simply said "no" because they knew the impact it would have.  

[Christina]

There are photos of Max at a gym operating a rowing or biking machine. I didn't post them because the responses went from , "Great job!" to "That's a toy; use weights..." etc.

No word from Michael or Sarah about those comments, but Michael posts something specifically to get negative comments made because he's an asshole who wasn't getting any attention now that the show is over. 

I really dislike him, do not agree with Max having such a public SM account, and I rarely judge parenting that isn't obvious abuse. Max got a lot of positive response during the shows airing and in my opinion, they are using it for their benefit and to his detriment. 

[Christina]

Last week, Sarah posted on her IG about having mammograms. Today, she is undergoing surgery. The surgery is being discussed online but I didn't see anything to post  that supports it. Here is her IG that people say is her announcement of having cancer. 

I read through the comments but she doesn't say what exactly is happening or if it is current. I'm not calling bull or anything, but don't see where anyone in their family is saying she is having surgery related to breast cancer, just comments online, so I wanted to clarify it. 

If she is, best wishes to Sarah during this time.

[Christina]

Sarah has posted that her cancer has spread

 

[Frozendiva]

Apparently Ed is trying to contact Juliana. From Soapdirt and Reddit.

[kendi]

51 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Apparently Ed is trying to contact Juliana. From Soapdirt and Reddit.

Of course he is. But her husband Michael was not having it LOL

[mamadrama]

9 hours ago, kendi said:

Of course he is. But her husband Michael was not having it LOL

Not surprising. He's done this to most of the previous cast members as well as other famous people. He's been hijacking other people's posts for weeks in a bid for more attention.

[1011101010001]

Juliana is another model for his Wall of Onan.

[Teri313]

On 2/27/2020 at 8:36 PM, Frozendiva said:

 

This was taken only three years ago??? I mean, he actually looks kind of good (although he does kind of look like Meri Brown). The last three years have been hard on him.