Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[cereality]

Somehow I don’t think Evan’s parents are guilt tripping them about a freaking 5 yr olds graduation or t-ball games. His parents seem supportive and concerned and seem like they’d 100% support the idea of them staying home to rest. I think it’s their dumbass son w the camera around this neck + DIL w these stupid ideas. 

I think E&C 100% prefer NOT being alone in case of future episodes and trust his parents way more to take care of them, urge them to get med care etc. Fine. Then sit your asses there. I realize at least the neuro is in Knox - bc they assumed they’d be ok going back there and staying or the first appts they could get were in Knox. So stay full time at his parents and when she has a drs appt in Knox, leave the day before, stay at your house the night before, go see the dr/check on the new house, maybe stay 1 more night in Knox and drive back. It’s a 2-3 day excursion allowing you to see the dr and check on your homes. It’s not this constant driving back every 4 days bc FOMO re some daily life event that occurs many nights/wk (baseball games).

I realize drs told her when she had her heart monitor that she needs to live somewhat normally bc lying in bed won’t capture any arrhythmias. First she no longer has that monitor. Second - no one is saying lie in bed, but I’m pretty sure no dr’s idea of normal life for this 24 yr old dumbass is packing to go btwn two cities 2x in 4 days, sitting in the car for 12 hrs in 4 days, and attending useless events when she isn’t up to it. Like you’re not a corporate consultant living that type of like w business meetings constantly sweetie. Like do they get that normal life = ambling around the house + walking around the yard + pushing Layla on her swing + doing activities like dishes or laundry once in a while? All things she could do at his parents’ house. 

Clearly they want family support from HIS family. They need to start thinking about making a life in Nashville. He can get the union to place him in a job in Nash. Sure they’d have to sell the house and may lose money on that - since they bought exactly as the market was peaking bc they had to have a house NOW + you don’t recoup closing costs in a few months. So while it’d take them time to save up again for a house in Nashville, at least there he may be able to work without worry; even after meds are regulated, for a while they’d likely be more comfortable is she was spending some time at his parents’ house during the day or they were dropping by to look in on her/kids.

And I agree with others - WTF kind of husband is so desperate to go to his sister’s kid’s k graduation that he’ll make his wife who is on new meds + saying she doesn’t feel well, sit in the car for an hr or two?!? Like this wasn’t Layla’s event where E decided well one of us has to attend - this kid has his own parents + grandparents. 

[GeeGolly]

Could it be that Evan's not the asshole and Carlin wanted to go? Could it be Carlin sat in the car because no one was fawning all over her when she's safely sitting in a chair? Could it be Carlin sat in the car for 20 minutes and said it was all day?

[Notabug]

10 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Could it be that Evan's not the asshole and Carlin wanted to go? Could it be Carlin sat in the car because no one was fawning all over her when she's safely sitting in a chair? Could it be Carlin sat in the car for 20 minutes and said it was all day?

I don't doubt that Carlin participated in all decision making and, yes, if she was feeling neglected, marching out to the car claiming she was too ill to stay is exactly what she'd do.  I think these two make up stuff all the time, either by exaggerating or outright lying and that Carlin's definition of 'all day' might be different than mine.

[floridamom]

IMO, Kelly Jo is a lazy woman and she is certifying that right now in her absence with Carlin.  Kelly no longer has babies at home for her to 'be there' for. She does not home school her school aged children, they school themselves in front of a computer; teach themselves what they don't know. She does not cook, clean or do laundry from the looks of her home in recent videos. She really should be at Carlin's house helping her out at this time. 

[ozziemom]

KJ & Gil are too busy praying for Carlin to be bothered actually helping. Their other big help might be releasing Ellie or Addee from their other duties at the Big House to spend an afternoon at Carlin’s. 

[cereality]

While Carlin obviously has a very real medical issue that needs to be sorted out, E&C have obviously fallen into the trap of - OMG how can we get YT hits off of this, what if our "loyal" viewers forget us - there goes our $200-500/wk income if people stop watching.

Within 2 weeks they've gone from the first episode at the boutique to seeing a specialist who has already put her on some meds which now need to be regulated. That's fast. Many people these days are waiting months for specialist appointments/testing. No no one is saying it's all good - but there's nothing about the day to day recovery that's so fascinating or IG worthy. The person will be sitting around the house mostly, they'll go out when their partner or parent/inlaw can drive them to go somewhere to get out, they'll play with their kids/take care of their kids sitting down, and may be tired/sleepy/napping as meds are adjusted. You know that has Evan and Carlin FREAKING OUT bc their first thought is OMG what are we going to put on IG, what are we going to do for YT this week if we don't go anywhere/do anything??

Cue a worthless K graduation + weekly t ball game - OMG we have to go. Yet in their heart of hearts they know these videos don't generate 100k views/wk like weddings/trips/medical stuff bc let's be real their YT audience is mostly young moms who have their own kids' K graduations and t ball games to attend. So then cue the discussion of - can Carlin attend; is she well enough; would she rather try to attend even though she shouldn't; ok would she rather go sit in the car then; should we make a big fuss about how she spent Evan's family's gathering sitting in a lawn chair while Evan played hide and seek with Layla [never mind that there were a TON of lawn chairs at the gathering so I'm guessing others were sitting down too so it was hardly a big deal].

[emmawoodhouse]

The video is up to 244k views. That's a nice chunk of change for exploiting an illness.

Edited May 30, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The video is up to 244k views. That's a nice chunk of change for exploiting an illness.

They seem to be learning quickly.  

[GeeGolly]

Just had another thought - could they be making this illness a bit extra to see what they can make on SM without Evan working? Grabbing a few extra viewers, while thinking up new content and see if they can make a go of it?

I know the title of this thread is "mostly Carlin", but I think Evan is almost out-Carlining Carlin at this point.

[crimson23]

I do believe Carlin has some sore of medical issue. No one would go through all those doctor visits and hospital stays to make a few bucks on Social Media.  The gain would never outweigh what the meds bills will be. 

Also, appointment availability is different depending where you live.  In a metro area, you can get speciaist appts in a week. 

[Dehumidifier]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Just had another thought - could they be making this illness a bit extra to see what they can make on SM without Evan working? Grabbing a few extra viewers, while thinking up new content and see if they can make a go of it?

I know the title of this thread is "mostly Carlin", but I think Evan is almost out-Carlining Carlin at this point.

Stuck with 5 years of school and apprenticing and doesn't want to do the work? Not likely. It's not like he's shy and doesn't like being around people. No one in their right mind would plan on supporting their family on social media when they have a real skill.

[cereality]

3 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said:

Stuck with 5 years of school and apprenticing and doesn't want to do the work? Not likely. It's not like he's shy and doesn't like being around people. No one in their right mind would plan on supporting their family on social media when they have a real skill.

YouTube star is a legit “professional” aspiration for people their age. You and I may think it’s nuts but attention whores like them think there is NO better job.

I do think that’s part of what’s going on here. After 5 yrs of Evan being in school + apprenticing, they are seeing what it’s like to have him home 24-7 and you know Carlin likes it given that’s what she’s seen from Gil + most fundie males + Evan likes it bc he’s salivating at the idea that just being their annoying selves = $$$. I do think they’re trying to figure out if they can be full time YT stars and pay the bills (though hopefully are taking a long look at union health and retirement benefits) OR more likely are looking to live Z&W’s life w $$ from BSB + YT + Evan picking up electrical jobs to supplement/working the min part time hours required to stay in the union. And I think this would be long term planning not just bc Carlin needs him home for a wk or two.

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

Stuck with 5 years of school and apprenticing and doesn't want to do the work? Not likely. It's not like he's shy and doesn't like being around people. No one in their right mind would plan on supporting their family on social media when they have a real skill.

Its not like Evan spent 5 years in full time school, graduated then gave up on his degree. He's been going to night school and has had a paid apprenticeship, so he's been doing the work all this time.

I'm not saying he plans on quitting his job, but I'm speculating he might be considering it. He wouldn't be the first husband to quit his job and join his successful influencer wife on SM. Successful influencers can make a shit ton of money, and from what I understand the hardest part is building up followers, which is something Evan and Carlin didn't have to do. They had followers before they even started.

I watched a reel Evan filmed of himself. I think it was Christmas eve of last year. They were at his parents house. I don't remember the details - either the whole house was asleep or in the next room, but Evan was in such full-on carnival barker/game show host mode it gave me secondhand embarrassment. Another time that had me shaking my head was when Evan arrives at, maybe Nathan's wedding, he was all hyped up and the crew of BUB was rolling lint off his jacket. His 'celebrity' arrogance was so palpable even his brothers and sisters in law were rolling their eyes.

Also Evan never leaves home without his back pack full of cameras and he spends a lot of time editing content. Like I said I'm just speculating to what's going on, but I think maybe they've taken Carlin's health issue and are using as an opportunity to make a go of it full-time.

[BitterApple]

I'm sincerely praying Evan and Carlin don't try to be full-time social media stars. I can think of so many YouTubers who were hot several years ago and forgotten about today. They may get tons of hits for exploiting Carlin's medical drama, but like all plots, there's an expiration date. 

I'm with all of you in my disbelief that they went all the way back to Nashville for a stupid kindergarten graduation. Like some of you said, if that's where they feel safest, maybe that's where they should move. Having several in-laws working in the medical field probably puts Carlin at ease. Only downside is the housing market. My brother lives in Franklin and prices are insane. 

[cereality]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I'm sincerely praying Evan and Carlin don't try to be full-time social media stars. I can think of so many YouTubers who were hot several years ago and forgotten about today. They may get tons of hits for exploiting Carlin's medical drama, but like all plots, there's an expiration date. 

I'm with all of you in my disbelief that they went all the way back to Nashville for a stupid kindergarten graduation. Like some of you said, if that's where they feel safest, maybe that's where they should move. Having several in-laws working in the medical field probably puts Carlin at ease. Only downside is the housing market. My brother lives in Franklin and prices are insane. 

But think of the YT content for months - being broken hearted about selling the dream home in Knox; money worries from selling a home right away that they bought at the peak of the market; goodbye party/being broken hearted to leave the Bates and Whit and BSB as if they're moving to Australia or something; finding a place to rent in Nashville; the actual move/unpacking w/ the Bates brothers in tow; lamenting about how hard it is to buy a house in Nashville - complete with Carlin's anxiety that they'll never own a home . . . . .

Frankly if they are considering going down the YT road, I see them making this move just for the content it provides. But as you say YT stars tend to be short lived unless they are REALLY interesting. I'm a bit older than their age group and the only ones I follow are the travel bloggers - think traveling to or living in a new country monthly. Some others I know follow the true entertainers that are giving you a glimpse into Hollywood/red carpet life. Some follow the mommies - budgeting, cooking a new recipe daily etc. Sorry but people have their own lives and don't need to watch your made up content like t ball or k graduations bc they have that stuff in their own lives - whereas jetting off to Paris for two weeks, they don't have that and like that fantasy.  

So even if they make the move to Nashville and that gets them say 8-12 weeks of content, then what? We're back to made up camping trips at a ditch by the side of a road, which they have done once as I assume they had nothing to show that week. I suppose Evan and esp Carlin who has zero idea of how actual jobs reporting to bosses work are like - so what Evan is soooo smart and went to all this school, if YT doesn't work out past the year, that's a whole year we got to be together and in 2023, he can get an electrician job. Uh yeah except the bigger union electrical jobs aren't putting can lights into a house sweetie, they are working on new construction commercial buildings; his apprentice job had him working at a health system that was adding a new building. As the economy is slowing + cost of capital is rising, new construction of commercial buildings will slow - meaning less of a need for union electricians, contractors, plumbers etc.; and unions work by seniority - while they try to get all their members on jobs, when the jobs thin out, they go to the members who've been with them for 10-20+ yrs not apprenticeship only.

[Peanut6711]

Not sure whether I think Evan is really considering quitting his job to be a full-time social media whore, but I do think they are angling for donations/money/go fund me. That type of thing based off Carlin holding up the fake bills in the mail and the number of times in the "Caught on Tape" video that Evan said he wouldn't be able to go back to work right away, might have to be off 3 months, and then later that the doctors confirmed he couldn't go to work. I don't buy that the doctors told him he couldn't go back to work. They more likely said that Carlin shouldn't be left alone, but that doesn't mean someone else can't look after her.   I think they want their viewers to pity them and send them money, thinking that poor Evan has to stay home and care for his seriously ill wife, conveniently right after having a new baby and buying a new house. 

I continue to be perplexed why C&E couldn't have Michaela stay with Carlin during the day while Evan is at work. She flat out said she was never going to work a real nursing job and only went to nursing school for something to do/get her mind of infertility and so she could take care of family members.   

The logical (but I'm not saying they are logical) thing to do would be get those Bates boys to move them into the new house, get settled in with Michaela helping during the day while Evan is at work, and ditch the rent on the apartment.   Selling the house they just bought to move to Nashville (a presumably higher priced market and possibly even more low inventory) does not seem like it would add up.  Any savings they had that went to the new house would be spent, they'd have no equity in the new house (it wasn't a flip), and they'd lose any first time home buyer options for the next home.  Not to mention if Evan quits his electrician job they might not even qualify for another mortage. 

[cereality]

Unless the meeting with drs. is on camera [and I'm not watching their videos], I think we can assume drs. said she couldn't be left alone + asked what the caregiver situation was; I can't imagine any dr. saying NO it can't be her parents, inlaws, or sister, YOU the husband MUST go on FMLA.

I have a feeling he assumed his parents would 100% take care of her + the kids bc in an early video after 2-3 episodes he was going on about - well we have family help so if we could do this without me taking time off . . . . Yet I feel like his aging parents said no on watching her + +2 babies alone esp when at that time she had to be run to the hospital multiple times and told him he needed to stay too.

Yes if they were logical and not worried about YT hits, they'd absolutely be asking Michael if she'd stay days with Carlin, esp. now that Carlin seems to be on meds so while she needs to be watched/can't drive, it likely isn't as emergent/dire now as 3 weeks ago. Frankly his parents may now be willing to watch her + take care of the 2 kids if she's past the stage where she needs someone within 5 ft of her - so he could leave her there and go to work for the week and return on the weekend, esp since he works 4 days/wk; they could do that for say 2 more weeks and then back to Knox and having Michael around for a few weeks/month. I'd be shocked if Michael said no. She's a natural caretaker who is gaga for babies, I can't imagine she'd be put out by this request.

[lookeyloo]

5 minutes ago, cereality said:

Unless the meeting with drs. is on camera [and I'm not watching their videos], I think we can assume drs. said she couldn't be left alone + asked what the caregiver situation was; I can't imagine any dr. saying NO it can't be her parents, inlaws, or sister, YOU the husband MUST go on FMLA.

I have a feeling he assumed his parents would 100% take care of her + the kids bc in an early video after 2-3 episodes he was going on about - well we have family help so if we could do this without me taking time off . . . . Yet I feel like his aging parents said no on watching her + +2 babies alone esp when at that time she had to be run to the hospital multiple times and told him he needed to stay too.

Yes if they were logical and not worried about YT hits, they'd absolutely be asking Michael if she'd stay days with Carlin, esp. now that Carlin seems to be on meds so while she needs to be watched/can't drive, it likely isn't as emergent/dire now as 3 weeks ago. Frankly his parents may now be willing to watch her + take care of the 2 kids if she's past the stage where she needs someone within 5 ft of her - so he could leave her there and go to work for the week and return on the weekend, esp since he works 4 days/wk; they could do that for say 2 more weeks and then back to Knox and having Michael around for a few weeks/month. I'd be shocked if Michael said no. She's a natural caretaker who is gaga for babies, I can't imagine she'd be put out by this request.

Maybe they asked her and she said no. Maybe she said no before they asked her. We really do t know the details of who said what to whom. It might seem logical to us but then again we aren t there for more than they show us in their videos (that I don’t watch)

we are going through a different but similar issue with aged father in law. What is logical and makes sense to most of the family doesn’t work for him. But from the outside it seems simple. 

[Heathen]

16 hours ago, crimson23 said:

I do believe Carlin has some sore of medical issue. No one would go through all those doctor visits and hospital stays to make a few bucks on Social Media.  The gain would never outweigh what the meds bills will be. 

Also, appointment availability is different depending where you live.  In a metro area, you can get speciaist appts in a week. 

I live in a metro area, and specialist appointments typically take far more than a week. I speak from unfortunate experience, especially with neurologists. 

As for the rest, read this:  https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9832-an-overview-of-factitious-disorders

Edited May 31, 2022 by Heathen

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, cereality said:

I'd be shocked if Michael said no. She's a natural caretaker who is gaga for babies, I can't imagine she'd be put out by this request.

Same here. Odds are, either she hasn't been asked because they are creating extra drama for views or she did say no because she doesn't want to be filmed for contrive drama. Or she doesn't want to be the cameraman filming exploited drama like Evan is when it's him looking over Carlin. Maybe she draws the line at being a home nurse and movie producer.  😁 For that, I wouldn't blame her. But I can't see her denying a sister in genuine need. 

[3 is enough]

I must admit I am baffled.  I do think Carlin's issues are legitimate, and she can't be left alone with the kids.  Maybe Evan is entitled to some paid FMLA time- they certainly don't appear to be stressed about money, especially given that they are opting for an extra month in their rental.

I find it hard to believe that after all that schooling Evan would turn around and decide to try to become a YouTube star instead.  But I was also floored by Zach leaving his law enforcement job so what do I know?

Anything posted on social media is heavily edited.  We don't know what is really going on behind the scenes.  And I have noticed that whenever they ran into difficulties in the past they always went back to "trust the Lord", so maybe that figures into some of their recent decisions.

I do find all of the posting over the top and it does seem like they are trying to get maximum clicks and sympathy (and possibly donations from kind hearted people).  I do question some of their recent decisions, especially going to Nashville this past weekend.  

Still, this was not something they ever expected to happen, and I am sure they are reeling.  I do wonder if their social media presence seems to be the only thing they can control right now and it makes them feel somewhat normal.  Not making excuses, just wondering if that played into some of their more questionable decisions. 

  I did notice that the neurologist appointment was at the end of the day- maybe the doctor was persuaded to fit them in at the last minute, or one of the Nashville doctors was able to pull some strings. I had a similar experience years ago. My son has an IBD.  He never showed a single symptom until he experienced a severe flare.  We had no clue what was going on and went to urgent care.  The doctor told him his suspicions but could not formally diagnose him and said to get to a GI specialist.  I was frantically calling every GI in town to see if they could fit him in.  I was lucky enough to find one who had an opening, so it isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.

[Notabug]

4 hours ago, Heathen said:

I live in a metro area, and specialist appointments typically take far more than a week. I speak from unfortunate experience, especially with neurologists. 

As for the rest, read this:  https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9832-an-overview-of-factitious-disorders

I live in a major metropolitan area and am employed by one of the top hospital systems in the country (might even be the system linked above).  I can vouch for the fact that it is currently taking months and months to see a specialist in almost any area.  As of last week, neurology appointments within our medical system were available- for the end of August.  Post Covid, everything is slower and being located near a major medical facility is no guarantee of a quick appointment.  Doctors' offices also triage new patient appointments and, just because someone was seen in the ER and referred does not mean they can jump the line and get a quicker appointment.  Where I work, when an ER patient calls for an appointment, the doctor reviews the chart and testing and decides whether the situation warrants an urgent appointment.  It usually doesn't.

Carlin is really lucky that she has gotten a lot of testing and care done over a relatively short period of time.

As far as Carlin not being alone, I can imagine that the doctors recommended that, and that, especially due to the young ages of her children; she not be their sole caregiver for large stretches of time (10 minutes while Evan showers, fine.  10 hours while Evan goes to work, not fine).  However, Carlin has made it pretty clear that she only follows doctors' orders when it suits her; she was pretty obviously not going to stop driving when that was suggested.  Even can take FMLA if he's eligible, but it is unpaid and limited to 12 weeks a year.  Most people would make arrangements with family and friends for help, go to stay with other family or enroll the kids in daycare.  Not these two.

I do think that, while Evan pays lip service to his job, it is becoming more and more obvious that he is seeing their social media presence as a major part of their lives and a potential source of income.  After all, he can stay home and video Carlin's spells; earning both money and attention.  He cannot do that while working as an electrician.  It's a win-win!

Edited May 31, 2022 by Notabug

[Dehumidifier]

4 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Maybe they asked her and she said no. Maybe she said no before they asked her. We really do t know the details of who said what to whom. It might seem logical to us but then again we aren t there for more than they show us in their videos (that I don’t watch)

Maybe she wanted to be paid something and they refused. After all, she would be taking time away from her home business.

[Kiss my mutt]

Being able to capitalize on your illness is what they’d call a “blessing in disguise”. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Carlin has been doing some modeling for the boutique. Quite a bit, actually. And it's for new arrivals, so these pictures were taken recently, possibly even last week when they were in Knoxville. 

Just found that interesting. 

[65mickey]

I cannot imagine wanting to be paid to help out with a sibling who was having major health problems. When my sister was very ill I did not wait to be asked I was there. I think this big happy loving  Bates family is a joke. 

[Heathen]

52 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Carlin has been doing some modeling for the boutique. Quite a bit, actually. And it's for new arrivals, so these pictures were taken recently, possibly even last week when they were in Knoxville. 

Just found that interesting. 

I wonder if the Stewarts have even a smidge of self-awareness. Do they realize that if they continue with things like that, chances are they will get some backlash that will sink (or at least damage) their social media plans? Leghumpers alone can't sustain them. 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Heathen

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, Heathen said:

I wonder if the Stewarts have even a smidge of self-awareness. Do they realize that if they continue with things like that, chances are they will get some backlash that will sink (or at least damage) their social media plans? Leghumpers alone can't sustain them. 

There are now more views on the last video than typically watched an episode of BUB. 

[birkenstock]

The Stewarts' entire support system needs to step up.  Michael already dedicated her childhood, teen years, and part of her early 20's to caring for siblings and helping run the Bates' household.  I'm sure she would be willing to help out but attending to Carlin and the kids while Evan's at work is a 40+ hour a week commitment.  The Stewarts have a church community as well as other Bates siblings who could take shifts.  It would take a lot of scheduling and coordination that doesn't seem to be the family's strong suit but much more reasonable than expecting one person to carry the load.

[GeeGolly]

Could be Carlin and Evan are not asking for and possibly refusing any help. Time will tell.

[MargeGunderson]

46 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Could be Carlin and Evan are not asking for and possibly refusing any help. Time will tell.

Or, they are getting help but choosing not to show/mention that on social media (my guess).

[So unbelievable]

52 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Could be Carlin and Evan are not asking for and possibly refusing any help. Time will tell.

You are so right.  I have to remind myself that these dipshits do nothing normal and like I would. 

[Peanut6711]

C&E might want to think twice about using medical services for content. Might come back to bite them in the ass, especially if any of the facilities charge Carlin an extra fee for her drama or Evan's filming. 😁

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/35-photos-that-prove-the-american-healthcare-system-is-seriously-messed-up/ar-AAXWpvA?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=0456f1ddb7394cfa82860d4fb9deaf87

[Notabug]

10 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

C&E might want to think twice about using medical services for content. Might come back to bite them in the ass, especially if any of the facilities charge Carlin an extra fee for her drama or Evan's filming. 😁

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/35-photos-that-prove-the-american-healthcare-system-is-seriously-messed-up/ar-AAXWpvA?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=0456f1ddb7394cfa82860d4fb9deaf87

While I agree that medical costs are out of control, these particular stories are somewhat misleading.  For example, someone complains that she was charged twice as much for an ultrasound because she was having twins.  Well, it takes at least twice as long to perform an ultrasound for twins; why wouldn't the charge reflect that?  The size of the job is reflected in the cost for everything else in life, medical care is not any different.

Someone else complained about a $600,000 bill for twins.  Well, twins that are premature are going to need to be in the NICU for a long time.  ICU care for two infants ain't cheap.  Also, if the twins were very premature, there is a government program that picks up the tab.

The bill for 'crying' was for an office visit where someone expressed their concerns about their condition.  Every office visit requires a diagnosis.  If there was concern that the patient was seriously depressed, should the doctor just ignore that?  If he documented it in his note, it is a diagnosis that should be part of the billing.  BTW, the 40 bucks was for the entire visit, not just the crying.

Another woman said that EMT's charged her for telling her her son was dead.  Not so much.  The bill shown is for transporting him to a hospital while working to revive him the whole time.  The bill was for trying to save him, maybe she wishes they hadn't bothered to try?

Anyway, Carlin and Evan either have amazing insurance or they are on Medicaid.  Otherwise, they wouldn't keep running to the ER.  Gil Bates used to brag about the great care the whole family got by using the ER as their primary care provider.  Seems obvious to me that they were on Medicaid back then and wouldn't be surprised if C&E are using it now.  Medicaid coverage is much more liberal for pregnancy and birth; many working people qualify for it even if they make too much to get it otherwise.  Carlin would have coverage for 6 months postpartum, too.  

Edited June 1, 2022 by Notabug

[Notabug]

15 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I cannot imagine wanting to be paid to help out with a sibling who was having major health problems. When my sister was very ill I did not wait to be asked I was there. I think this big happy loving  Bates family is a joke. 

I think it would depend on the sibling's  economic status and ability to pay.  If Carlin and Evan are in a better financial position than Michael and her husband; I don't see anything wrong with them offering to compensate her for helping them out.  I don't think Carlin and Evan can afford it, though, and it is possible that Michael cannot afford to leave her business for any length of time, either.

Also, just because Michael has her own business that she runs from home does not make her time any less valuable than Evan's.  A pet peeve of mine; 'Hey, you're home all day working, I'm sure you can take on my job in addition without any pay and without compromising your own work' seems to be a common sentiment.  It shouldn't be.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Notabug

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

Also, just because Michael has her own business that she runs from home does not make her time any less valuable than Evan's.  A pet peeve of mine; 'Hey, you're home all day working, I'm sure you can take on my job in addition without any pay and without compromising your own work' seems to be a common sentiment.  It shouldn't be.

Wait, what business did Michaela start? The last I saw on her was just that she finished nursing school but wasn't going to work in the field except for caring for family members (which is why I said she seemed like a logical person to be Carlin's caregiver so Evan didn't have to take an extended nonpaid leave.)  I thought it was her husband who works from home?   Though I agree people assume if you are home all day you don't do anything. Just like they assume if you homeschool, your children aren't learning anything. Fundie families like the Bates and Duggars do not always help the cause, but there are plenty of bright and well educated homeschooled children out there as well as the parents who put endless hours into it.

[Notabug]

13 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

Wait, what business did Michaela start? The last I saw on her was just that she finished nursing school but wasn't going to work in the field except for caring for family members (which is why I said she seemed like a logical person to be Carlin's caregiver so Evan didn't have to take an extended nonpaid leave.)  I thought it was her husband who works from home?   Though I agree people assume if you are home all day you don't do anything. Just like they assume if you homeschool, your children aren't learning anything. Fundie families like the Bates and Duggars do not always help the cause, but there are plenty of bright and well educated homeschooled children out there as well as the parents who put endless hours into it.

Michael and her husband have an online store that seems to be mostly stuff for infants like swaddles, blankets and those unfortunate headbands that every fundie baby girl must wear at all times.  Much of their wares seem to be in the preferred fundie color palette of wheat, oatmeal and clay.  I presume she spends her time working on it.  Her husband seems to also be involved.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Notabug

[Dehumidifier]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

Michael and her husband have an online store that seems to be mostly stuff for infants like swaddles, blankets and those unfortunate headbands that every fundie baby girl must wear at all times.  Much of their wares seem to be in the preferred fundie color palette of wheat, oatmeal and clay.  I presume she spends her time working on it.  Her husband seems to also be involved.

I believe she makes the items too, not just sell them.

[emmawoodhouse]

New video up regarding the house demo.Evan mentions that they may do two videos a week while he's off work. 

Are we surprised? I'd say no. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[Notabug]

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New video up regarding the house demo.Evan mentions that they may do two videos a week while he's off work. 

Are we surprised? I'd say no. 

I'm only surprised that they're limiting it to two a week.

[AgathaC]

6 hours ago, Notabug said:

 Gil Bates used to brag about the great care the whole family got by using the ER as their primary care provider.  

I have several doctors in my family (including one ER doc) and this sort of thing drives them NUTS. ERs are not a replacement for regular check-ups. You’re not going to get the same care and attention in an ER where you may see a different doctor every time.

Also, ERs are for just that — emergencies. They have enough traffic to sort through without it all being gummed up by people who should be treated somewhere/way else. My bro-in-law gripes that they aren’t always able to give people the attention they need because there are so many people who come through the doors with non-emergency issues. Things that could and should have been handled with a call to the PCP.

People like the Bateses, in my opinion, are behaving selfishly and not thinking a bit about the attention and time they’re taking away from medical staff and people who really need to be there. (And I’m speaking more about Gil and his philosophy. Everything I’ve heard, Carlin probably did need ER visits in this case.)

[Notabug]

32 minutes ago, AgathaC said:

I have several doctors in my family (including one ER doc) and this sort of thing drives them NUTS. ERs are not a replacement for regular check-ups. You’re not going to get the same care and attention in an ER where you may see a different doctor every time.

Also, ERs are for just that — emergencies. They have enough traffic to sort through without it all being gummed up by people who should be treated somewhere/way else. My bro-in-law gripes that they aren’t always able to give people the attention they need because there are so many people who come through the doors with non-emergency issues. Things that could and should have been handled with a call to the PCP.

People like the Bateses, in my opinion, are behaving selfishly and not thinking a bit about the attention and time they’re taking away from medical staff and people who really need to be there. (And I’m speaking more about Gil and his philosophy. Everything I’ve heard, Carlin probably did need ER visits in this case.)

Ask anyone in medical care, we all hate the way ER's get used.  Just today, I saw a patient who had had an ultrasound done in the ER.  I pulled the pictures up and went through the anatomy with her to reassure her it was normal.  Her first question? 'Why didn't the ER doctor do that'?  Two answers: 1.  he/she is too busy with people actually needing emergent care and doesn't have the time for in-depth explanations of non-emergent conditions  and 2.  He/she is not a specialist in everything, everywhere.  He/she probably cannot read an ultrasound of a specific body part in detail because he/she is dealing with everyone and every body part.  Meanwhile, a specialist like myself; has only one general area to concentrate on, so I've seen a thousand ultrasounds of that body part/organ system and can explain it in depth.

Same reason why Carlin's many trips to the ER bug.  There are only so many truly emergent things that can cause the sorts of symptoms she has experienced and, once the ER doc has eliminated those; he or she is done.  Time to see a specialist who knows where to go next and what tests to order to get there.

Edited June 1, 2022 by Notabug

[AgathaC]

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

Ask anyone in medical care, we all hate the way ER's get used.  Just today, I saw a patient who had had an ultrasound done in the ER.  I pulled the pictures up and went through the anatomy with her to reassure her it was normal.  Her first question? 'Why didn't the ER doctor do that'?  Two answers: 1.  he/she is too busy with people actually needing emergent care and doesn't have the time for in-depth explanations of non-emergent conditions  and 2.  He/she is not a specialist in everything, everywhere.  He/she probably cannot read an ultrasound of a specific body part in detail because he/she is dealing with everyone and every body part.  Meanwhile, a specialist like myself; has only one general area to concentrate on, so I've seen a thousand ultrasounds of that body part and can explain it in depth.

Same reason why Carlin's many trips to the ER bug.  There are only so many truly emergent things that can cause the sorts of symptoms she has experienced and, once the ER doc has eliminated those; he or she is done.  Time to see a specialist who knows where to go next and what tests to order to get there.

Exactly. I have a tendency to develop kidney stones. The first one, I went to the ER. Now, when I get one, I call my urologist. He’s going to have the same scans done anyway. It’s cheaper, I get a true expert opinion up front and I don’t have to go through it all twice. (And no waiting in a crowded waiting room for hours.) I miss out on the pain meds, but nothing short of a mallet to the head is going to ease that pain anyway.

[cereality]

Honestly I wish people would stop enriching these morons by watching their YT videos. There's enough of a recap here that you'll have a sense of what's going on. Last one I watched was like 4 mos ago - Carlin's hysterical breakdown re what if we never get a house; I have no need to see Carlin in labor or Layla meeting baby bro or the latest episodes.

I mean on one end she's unwell enough that Evan can't go to work and they have to live in his childhood bedroom. She's unwell enough and so miserable that Evan took her out to get her nails done yesterday - bc that's what people do when they're unwell. On the other hand today - face full of perfect makeup filming an effing fashion show with Evan showing off all his clothing from Cuts. No doubt he got it all for free/discounted but really let's not play the OMG Evan is not even working right now, look at all our bills - while modeling for a place that sells pants for $120 and shirts for $80. And champagne tastes on a beer budget dude - $200 outfits to lounge at home?? When you get dropped by them - which you will as these companies go thru tons of influencers and most of the sisters have been dropped by numerous hair care lines and thus are always hocking new ones - going back to Old Navy or Target pants will be an adjustment.

Take care of her medical problem and get on with it. And I agree with whoever above said you KNOW they'd expect Michael to wait on Carlin hand and foot, watch the kids full time, AND be filming too bc otherwise what happens to their YT empire? I can see how Michael would be ok with the first two of those things but not filming on top of it.

[emmawoodhouse]

I only watched the video until Evan announced the twice a week video gig. I couldn't roll my eyes far enough in the back of my head. I hope that didn't count as a view. 

I didn't know about the manicure. Because I always head to the nail salon when I don't feel well. 🙄

[ozziemom]

Some of the Bates girls treat getting a manicure as a cure all and/or a way to celebrate everything from birthdays to weddings and any other time two of them get together. It’s amazing! I can’t understand how a young mother doesn’t constantly ruin her nails but I’m old I guess.

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, AgathaC said:

I have several doctors in my family (including one ER doc) and this sort of thing drives them NUTS. ERs are not a replacement for regular check-ups. You’re not going to get the same care and attention in an ER where you may see a different doctor every time.

Also, ERs are for just that — emergencies. They have enough traffic to sort through without it all being gummed up by people who should be treated somewhere/way else. My bro-in-law gripes that they aren’t always able to give people the attention they need because there are so many people who come through the doors with non-emergency issues. Things that could and should have been handled with a call to the PCP.

People like the Bateses, in my opinion, are behaving selfishly and not thinking a bit about the attention and time they’re taking away from medical staff and people who really need to be there. (And I’m speaking more about Gil and his philosophy. Everything I’ve heard, Carlin probably did need ER visits in this case.)

In a country with 28 million uninsured citizens and many more with inadequate coverage, this isn’t surprising.

5 hours ago, cereality said:

Honestly I wish people would stop enriching these morons by watching their YT videos. There's enough of a recap here that you'll have a sense of what's going on. Last one I watched was like 4 mos ago - Carlin's hysterical breakdown re what if we never get a house; I have no need to see Carlin in labor or Layla meeting baby bro or the latest episodes.

I mean on one end she's unwell enough that Evan can't go to work and they have to live in his childhood bedroom. She's unwell enough and so miserable that Evan took her out to get her nails done yesterday - bc that's what people do when they're unwell. On the other hand today - face full of perfect makeup filming an effing fashion show with Evan showing off all his clothing from Cuts. No doubt he got it all for free/discounted but really let's not play the OMG Evan is not even working right now, look at all our bills - while modeling for a place that sells pants for $120 and shirts for $80. And champagne tastes on a beer budget dude - $200 outfits to lounge at home?? When you get dropped by them - which you will as these companies go thru tons of influencers and most of the sisters have been dropped by numerous hair care lines and thus are always hocking new ones - going back to Old Navy or Target pants will be an adjustment.

Take care of her medical problem and get on with it. And I agree with whoever above said you KNOW they'd expect Michael to wait on Carlin hand and foot, watch the kids full time, AND be filming too bc otherwise what happens to their YT empire? I can see how Michael would be ok with the first two of those things but not filming on top of it.

[Notabug]

37 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

In a country with 28 million uninsured citizens and many more with inadequate coverage, this isn’t surprising.

Funny thing is, from my experience, most of the people who use the ER as their family doctor have medicaid or other government sponsored insurance.  They know that they will never have to pay anything out of pocket in the ER, so, they don't see any advantage to get a private physician where they cannot just arrive without an appointment and be seen and the doctor isn't there 24/7. The fact that Medicaid pays about 6 times as much for an ER visit as compared to a regular doctor's scheduled visit doesn't matter to them.

Most people who are uninsured or have big co-pays, try to avoid the ER because they know they cannot afford the bill and it can ruin what little credit they may already have. Uninsured, low income people can get 'rated' by their local hospital's business office for care, either in a doctor's office or ER, but it requires paperwork, proof of income and only lasts 30 days usually and it is only good for that facility, not transferable.

That's why I think Carlin and Evan must have Medicaid, at least for her and the baby.  Otherwise, they would keep going to the same ER in the same hospital system where they know they are rated.  They have been to at least 3 different hospitals in 2 different cities.  Even the best insurance plans usually don't provide that kind of coverage.

Edited June 2, 2022 by Notabug

[Jeanne222]

In the latest video of the new house renovations who is the little girl running in the back yard with Layla?  Layla seemed so very tiny next to her that I have to wonder their ages.

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

In the latest video of the new house renovations who is the little girl running in the back yard with Layla?  Layla seemed so very tiny next to her that I have to wonder their ages.

Those were Whitney's daughters. I don't know their ages, but we know that Layla is a wee potato.