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32 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I suppose I should have said that the first thing Fourteen says when he sees someone else is about why he looks like Ten. I wasn't doubting, nor dismissing, that being a plot point. There's more of an urgency than I expected with the Doctor because Ten would have just shouted and rolled with it. They made a point to say it's only been an hour since the regeneration. I'm looking forward to see how they unfold. 

Besides the old face issue, he’s probably still a little confused from the recent regeneration

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John Potts
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I'm outraged. Another human? When are we going to have an actual Gallifreyan playing The Doctor? It's political correctness gone mad!

Anduin
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Bernard Cribbins, Wilfred Mott, has passed away. :(

Sakura12
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Jodie was never the problem for me, I've liked her Doctor. It was the writing that was hit or miss. That's too bad, I would've liked to see Jodie work with a different showrunner. 

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On 12/14/2023 at 11:50 PM, baldryanr said:

For anyone wondering how Eccleston feels about RTD and the rest of the executive crew after all this time, skip to about the fifteen minute mark when he's asked what has to happen for him to return to the role on TV.

What makes me so angry is that the haters are now using Eccleston to claim that he is against RTD's direction of the show in terms of inclusivity and the emphasis on social issues - you know, all the things that have always been there and what they now call "wokeness". (I am always careful not to give them any clicks, but it's clear to me from the headlines and thumbnails that this is the narrative they are trying to push.) 

I have watched a few older interviews with Eccleston including one from back when he had just been cast as the Doctor and it is very clear that he is supportive of all those topics, he was very happy about Jodie's casting and has been vocal about many social issues, so I have no doubts that the last thing he would have problems with is the current direction of the show (which is basically the same as it's always been). Whatever the problems with RTD and the rest of the team were, they seem to be about how they were running things and nothing with the story. It just makes me sick to see it so intentionally misinterpreted.

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supposebly

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Yes, I'm sure that wasn't the problem. I don't remember if Noel Clarke already behaved like an ass on Doctor Who but I am now wondering if stuff like this also made Eccleston speak up and it got shut down.

It seemed also like the production was a terrible mess in the first year (and later too for a while).

I was watching David Tennant's video diary from his first season and he was talking about how they were already behind with shooting and apparently someone on the crew mentioned that this was nothing and that the year before they were already about 2 weeks behind schedule after one or two episodes.

So, depending on how Eccleston might have voiced his concerns and how RTD and co were reacting to it, it sounds things were just as messy as Eccleston said they were. Not that I ever doubted it. He doesn't seem to be the type to blow things out of proportion.

And the BBC telling some weird lies about his exit certainly didn't help, especially when there was silence from the production team on that too.

Eccleston seemed to feel a responsibility to voice his concerns as a more established actor and when nothing was helped or done, he got mad, partially, it appears to me, on behalf of the crew. Whereas, David Tennant was just happy to be there and probably didn't feel like it was his place as the new guy.

Just my impressions after watching those video diaries with the Eccleston exit in mind. 

Don't get me wrong, I adore RTD, his enthusiasm and his writing most of the time but it was his responsibility and he handled it very badly. To get things to such a point your experienced main actor runs off on you, you mishandled things.

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DanaK

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33 minutes ago, supposebly said:

Yes, I'm sure that wasn't the problem. I don't remember if Noel Clarke already behaved like an ass on Doctor Who but I am now wondering if stuff like this also made Eccleston speak up and it got shut down.

It seemed also like the production was a terrible mess in the first year (and later too for a while).

I was watching David Tennant's video diary from his first season and he was talking about how they were already behind with shooting and apparently someone on the crew mentioned that this was nothing and that the year before they were already about 2 weeks behind schedule after one or two episodes.

So, depending on how Eccleston might have voiced his concerns and how RTD and co were reacting to it, it sounds things were just as messy as Eccleston said they were. Not that I ever doubted it. He doesn't seem to be the type to blow things out of proportion.

And the BBC telling some weird lies about his exit certainly didn't help, especially when there was silence from the production team on that too.

Eccleston seemed to feel a responsibility to voice his concerns as a more established actor and when nothing was helped or done, he got mad, partially, it appears to me, on behalf of the crew. Whereas, David Tennant was just happy to be there and probably didn't feel like it was his place as the new guy.

Just my impressions after watching those video diaries with the Eccleston exit in mind. 

Don't get me wrong, I adore RTD, his enthusiasm and his writing most of the time but it was his responsibility and he handled it very badly. To get things to such a point your experienced main actor runs off on you, you mishandled things.

It suggests 14 episodes a season were just too much for a complex show like Who (didn't Moffat have a lot of trouble keeping up as well with one less episode?) and Davies was the one who pushed for that number over the BBC suggesting 6. It appears Davies Part 2, with 8 episodes + 1 special per season, is managing to keep pretty far ahead this time

But with Chris, I don't think it was just about production being behind. It appears the first block's director didn't seem to care about the safety of the cast and crew, plus maybe some other things. The first block sounded like a pretty big mess with a few too many bad things happening. It's quite possible certain things had settled down during David's time

 

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On 1/20/2024 at 6:35 PM, DanaK said:

But with Chris, I don't think it was just about production being behind. It appears the first block's director didn't seem to care about the safety of the cast and crew, plus maybe some other things. The first block sounded like a pretty big mess with a few too many bad things happening. It's quite possible certain things had settled down during David's time

 

I seem to recall part of the problem was that Keith Boak, the first block director, had set up a stunt that went wrong and nearly dropped a burning sofa on an extra. Eccles was angry that no-one really cared, and Boak wasn't reprimanded fully. Plus...the general chaos that no-one in British tv really knew how to make a show like this, and they were learning (and failing) as they went.

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baldryanr

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Ratings talk

Plenty in there for everyone  Apoplectic about the direction of the show?  Show runner ADMITS ratings SUCK, deliberately DUMBED DOWN episodes.

Happy with the direction, or just want to stick it to the other side?  The landscape is different, they're growing the next generation of fans (who can then complain in a few decades when the 26th Doctor is one who will kill the franchise), etc.

tv-talk

tv-talk

On 6/15/2024 at 10:44 AM, baldryanr said:

Ratings talk

Plenty in there for everyone  Apoplectic about the direction of the show?  Show runner ADMITS ratings SUCK, deliberately DUMBED DOWN episodes.

Happy with the direction, or just want to stick it to the other side?  The landscape is different, they're growing the next generation of fans (who can then complain in a few decades when the 26th Doctor is one who will kill the franchise), etc.

RTD claims the show is doing incredibly well with teens but that doesnt show up in the ratings. The reason for this he says is that he made the show much simpler. So he dumbed it down and now teens love it but the ratings are terrible? Sounds like a load of bollocks.

Having the Doctor be seemingly a normal, gay, human that the Companion met dancing at a club hasnt gone over that well. It doesnt mean anyone is homophobic or racist or anything else, it means that the Doctor isnt an alien anymore rather just a random British dude with a time travel machine. Well if that make Ncuti this era's Jon Pertwee I hope that means a new Tom Baker is on the horizon.

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On 7/6/2024 at 12:14 PM, tv-talk said:

RTD claims the show is doing incredibly well with teens but that doesnt show up in the ratings. The reason for this he says is that he made the show much simpler. So he dumbed it down and now teens love it but the ratings are terrible? Sounds like a load of bollocks.

Having the Doctor be seemingly a normal, gay, human that the Companion met dancing at a club hasnt gone over that well. It doesnt mean anyone is homophobic or racist or anything else, it means that the Doctor isnt an alien anymore rather just a random British dude with a time travel machine. Well if that make Ncuti this era's Jon Pertwee I hope that means a new Tom Baker is on the horizon.

So teens need stuff "dumbed down". I watched the show as a teen, I didn't always get some stuff but I watched it religiously. And the ratings aren't that good. For some of us, it went away from SciFi and to Fantasy. Some of us older long time fans of the show were vilified if we said anything about the direction that the show has gone. We were told if we didn't like it than don't watch. Many people said "okay". My husband refuses to watch it. Another factor is not all of us have Disney+. Honestly, it needs to get back on PBS!!!! 😁

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DanaK

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For those who can't see the Tweet from the Doctor Who account:

"Set a course for San Diego 2024! The TARDIS will be materialising at SDCC this year for a #DoctorWho Hall H panel with Ncuti Gatwa, Millie Gibson and Russell T Davies, as they discuss all things Season 1 and more..."

Look forward to it

ETA: Disney has also put out a press release for their shows at SDCC and included Doctor Who

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2024/07/12/disney-entertainment-television-announces-2024-san-diego-comic-con-programming-922415/20240712disney01/

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Friday, 7/26/24

· DOCTOR WHO (Disney Branded Television/ BBC Studios), 12:30-1:30 p.m., HALL H - Hop aboard the TARDIS with "Doctor Who" stars Ncuti Gatwa (Fifteenth Doctor) and Millie Gibson (Ruby Sunday), along with showrunner/writer Russell T Davies as they discuss the latest season and its game-changing finale episode, which streamed on Disney+ and BBC iPlayer. The trio will also share behind-the-scenes stories, fan surprises and a special sneak peek. The panel will be moderated by Josh Horowitz (host, "Happy Sad Confused" and MTV).

 

 

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supposebly

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1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

And the ratings aren't that good. For some of us, it went away from SciFi and to Fantasy.

I got to Who only with RTD in 2005 and Moffat's run was mostly saved by incredible casting for me (until Twelve, that just didn't work for me). I finally rewatched Jodi's run and it improves in parts but still, not one of my favorites.

Still, I haven't subscribed to Disney+ just for this one show. I'll wait until it has a few more things that are worth subscribing for a month or two. I wonder if there are more like me and that's why the numbers are not that high.

libgirl2

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5 minutes ago, supposebly said:

I got to Who only with RTD in 2005 and Moffat's run was mostly saved by incredible casting for me (until Twelve, that just didn't work for me). I finally rewatched Jodi's run and it improves in parts but still, not one of my favorites.

Still, I haven't subscribed to Disney+ just for this one show. I'll wait until it has a few more things that are worth subscribing for a month or two. I wonder if there are more like me and that's why the numbers are not that high.

I think that is a part of it. I'm not sure how popular Disney+ is compared to the other streaming services.

Would the show have done better on let's say Netflix or Amazon? 

Is Disney viewed more as a service for the kids? Which may be why they say they are doing well with the teens I guess. 

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tv echo

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From the 40th Television Critics Association Awards (held Friday night)...

TCA Awards: Shōgun, Hacks, Baby Reindeer, Doctor Who and Traitors Among Big Winners
BY MATT WEBB MITOVICH   JULY 12, 2024 
https://tvline.com/awards/tca-awards-2024-winners-list-shogun-hacks-1235281548/ 

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OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN FAMILY PROGRAMMING
Doctor Who, Disney+ — WINNER
Heartstopper, Netflix
My Adventures With Superman, Adult Swim
Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Disney+
Renegade Nell, Disney+
X-Men ’97, Disney+


‘Star Trek’ and ‘Doctor Who’ Showrunners to Appear Together at Comic-Con Panel Celebrating ‘Intergalactic Friendship Day’ (EXCLUSIVE)
By Adam B. Vary   Jul 12, 2024
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/star-trek-doctor-who-comic-con-intergalactic-friendship-day-1236069077/ 

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In a show of geek unity, the executive producers and showrunners of the “Star Trek” TV universe and the “Doctor Who” Whoniverse — Alex Kurtzman and Russell T Davies, respectively — will appear in a panel together at San Diego Comic-Con. The panel, which will be held on Saturday, July 27 at the largest fan gathering in North America, will kick off celebration of the first “Intergalactic Friendship Day” on July 30, an effort by the two franchises to foster greater connection and fellowship between their fandoms. (The celebration lines up with the International Friendship Day, created in 2011 to bring together people across the planet.)

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DanaK

DanaK

20 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I think that is a part of it. I'm not sure how popular Disney+ is compared to the other streaming services.

Would the show have done better on let's say Netflix or Amazon? 

Is Disney viewed more as a service for the kids? Which may be why they say they are doing well with the teens I guess. 

Youtube seems to be the most popular in terms of streaming, followed by Netflix and the others are much further behind. Disney+ is considered a service for the family so it seems to fit nicely for a family show like Who. And anyway, I think Davies may be only talking about the show on the BBC and iPlayer in terms of ratings for the young. Disney+ does not give out its ratings

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On 7/26/2024 at 5:07 PM, DanaK said:

5 part spinoff “Between the Land and the Sea” announced at Who panel at SDCC. starring Russell Tovy and Gugu Mbatha-Raw (playing new characters)

https://www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/new-whoniverse-spin-off-the-war-between-the-land-and-the-sea-announced-at-san

Christmas special preview

 

As reported in the latest DWM, the spinoff will be out sometime in 2025 and on the BBC and iPlayer in the UK and Disney+ internationally just to make clear

ABay

ABay

Me, too -- both in the US and have the VHS. I got the DVDs from Amazon sometime this year. The conversion is spotty, sometimes full screen, sometimes black bars on the side. But the gloriously terrible special effects and hideous 1st season outfits are exactly as I tried so hard to forget. 🙂 

I have warned new viewers to never watch "The Web" sober, I love Brian Blessed but "Cygnus Alpha" is him at his most Blessedest, and skip everything in series 4 except the first and last episodes.

I love B7 so much I can't even have rational conversations about it. It's mine, I tell you, all mine!

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tessaray

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19 hours ago, ABay said:

I have warned new viewers to never watch "The Web" sober, I love Brian Blessed but "Cygnus Alpha" is him at his most Blessedest, and skip everything in series 4 except the first and last episodes.

I would add Warlord, if you can get past the Raggedy Ann and Andy look. It's JP's last appearance and makes the opening of Blake make sense. 🙂

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Affogato

Affogato

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2 hours ago, tessaray said:

I would add Warlord, if you can get past the Raggedy Ann and Andy look. It's JP's last appearance and makes the opening of Blake make sense. 🙂

Yes well I find all of Blake rewatchable and I’m having trouble slogging through any of the early classic who, really. It may be the serial nature of who where everything gets restated so people don’t get lost. Of course there are better and worse episodes. 

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ABay

ABay

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I need to get this out and then will stick to my vow not discuss B7. Should I put this behind a spoiler bar? The show's more than 40 years old.

There's a moment in "Terminal" when Blake says "It must have been so dull having no one to argue with" and all I can say is: it was, it really was. Series 3 had a handful of good episodes and the rest were very much not. And, bonus observation, I rewatched the series for the first time this century and could not believe how happy I was to hear that voice again when the episode came up. It was visceral.  That's it from me. I will now stick my fingers in my ears lalala I can't hear you.🙂 

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tessaray

tessaray

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Between Terry Nation, BBC production values and the fact there were multiple actors in both shows, it's inevitable there be some crossover discussion. 

I didn't see The Two Doctors until the dvd release, long after I had fallen for Blakes 7, so I was distracted non-stop by Servalan being in my Doctor Who. 

Like someone getting chocolate in my peanut butter. 🙂

retro peanut butter GIF

Eta: I apologize for contributing to the off-topic drift. 

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QuantumMechanic

QuantumMechanic

From an RTD interview with SFX, via BleedingCool:

UGH

Spoiler

"I say I don't explain things, but you are then suddenly given that clue in episode eight that it's connected to the TARDIS perception filter, and suddenly that starts to make sense. But I'm not gonna go into any more detail.

"What everyone leaves out of the equation is that, actually, we're now in a universe in which fairy circles are real and have power."

Spoiler

I will tell you that Mad Jack was just a dog. There is no Mad Jack. I love people making up theories about Mad Jack."

So, Mad Jack was not a serial killer or evil spirit. There is no evil spirit. It was just somebody's beloved dog whose death they commemorated in the fairy circle. You need to know what fairy circles are. They're offerings to the Fair Folk in traditional folklore. Their other names are, of course, the Fae or the Fairies. When The Doctor and Ruby accidentally step on the circle and break it, they break a taboo, and the fairies take The Doctor. Somehow, the TARDIS perception filter interacted with the magic and kept a field around Ruby that turned her into a time-space anomaly that people couldn't tolerate somehow. You can guess the rest. And keep guessing since Davies has kept all the other answers to himself to keep you guessing forever. He's perfectly happy with driving you mad as long as you keep watching.

 

Affogato

Affogato

1 hour ago, QuantumMechanic said:

From an RTD interview with SFX, via BleedingCool:

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"I say I don't explain things, but you are then suddenly given that clue in episode eight that it's connected to the TARDIS perception filter, and suddenly that starts to make sense. But I'm not gonna go into any more detail.

"What everyone leaves out of the equation is that, actually, we're now in a universe in which fairy circles are real and have power."

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I will tell you that Mad Jack was just a dog. There is no Mad Jack. I love people making up theories about Mad Jack."

So, Mad Jack was not a serial killer or evil spirit. There is no evil spirit. It was just somebody's beloved dog whose death they commemorated in the fairy circle. You need to know what fairy circles are. They're offerings to the Fair Folk in traditional folklore. Their other names are, of course, the Fae or the Fairies. When The Doctor and Ruby accidentally step on the circle and break it, they break a taboo, and the fairies take The Doctor. Somehow, the TARDIS perception filter interacted with the magic and kept a field around Ruby that turned her into a time-space anomaly that people couldn't tolerate somehow. You can guess the rest. And keep guessing since Davies has kept all the other answers to himself to keep you guessing forever. He's perfectly happy with driving you mad as long as you keep watching.

 

Makes sense. 

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