The Brown Kids

[ginger90]

Ysabel is now in the paid sponsorship realm. It’s loungewear and bedding. She touts it as being so comfortable after having scoliosis surgery a year ago. She says it’s comfortable against her scar. Ok…..

 

Screenshot from the video:

Edited September 19, 2021 by ginger90

[xwordfanatik]

Is cozy earth another MLM?  

[ginger90]

If course I had to take a look. Some examples:

[ginger90]

4 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

Is cozy earth another MLM?  

I can’t find anything that states this. I did find out they are “Oprah approved “. 🤣😂

[xwordfanatik]

54 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I can’t find anything that states this. I did find out they are “Oprah approved “. 🤣😂

Oprah would easily spend that kind of dough, but those prices seem to be over my budget.  So of course, nothing but outrageous price tags will do for the Brown Clowns.  No wonder Christine had to sell her house!

[Elodia]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Ysabel is now in the paid sponsorship realm. It’s loungewear and bedding. She touts it as being so comfortable after having scoliosis surgery a year ago. She says it’s comfortable against her scar. Ok…..

 

Wow, that didn't take long. Must be Maddie's influence. I hope she doesn't drop out of college now.  

[laurakaye]

$116 for a tank top and lounge pants?  I do just fine with tanks from the clearance section of Old Navy and cozy lounge pants from Target.  I mean, you're SLEEPING in them.

[Irate Panda]

I have received Cozy Earth items that were nice, others just ok. Nobody ever asked me to buy or sell anything, so I never heard anything bad about them other than they take a while to ship sometimes.  I’m guessing Ysabel has gotten most of her items free for promotion. Hopefully Ysabel stays in school and doesn’t get involved with any mlm or scams.  Making money off IG is pretty common but hopefully she doesn’t depend on it being a totally sustainable way of living for a part-time reality show “star”.

[WhatAmIWatching]

Are these people just plain allergic to working regular jobs? Do they break out in hives at even the thought of 9-5 employment?
Snark aside, I can see Ysabel doing this as a sideline, while doing her schooling. School takes up so much energy, focus and time as it is. I just hope she doesn't let any sidelines move to a priority.

Good heavens those items are expensive!

[NoWhammies]

15 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Are these people just plain allergic to working regular jobs? Do they break out in hives at even the thought of 9-5 employment?
Snark aside, I can see Ysabel doing this as a sideline, while doing her schooling. School takes up so much energy, focus and time as it is. I just hope she doesn't let any sidelines move to a priority.

Good heavens those items are expensive!

Apparently SM influencer is a "real job" for people on reality TV. I mean, if you can do it, more power to you I suppose. In my work, I meet a lot of people who say some variation of, "You know - I'm not a 9 to 5er...that's just not the life for me." For many of them, their plans are things like MLMs, playing video games on Twitch (I still have no idea how you make money from that, but apparently it's a thing), social media sponsorships, youtubing, etc. I'm not sure how well any of them do because their money is none of my business, but I'm always curious how they get by. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

2 hours ago, NoWhammies said:

Apparently SM influencer is a "real job" for people on reality TV. I mean, if you can do it, more power to you I suppose. In my work, I meet a lot of people who say some variation of, "You know - I'm not a 9 to 5er...that's just not the life for me." For many of them, their plans are things like MLMs, playing video games on Twitch (I still have no idea how you make money from that, but apparently it's a thing), social media sponsorships, youtubing, etc. I'm not sure how well any of them do because their money is none of my business, but I'm always curious how they get by. 

Oh right, influencing! I remember reading that it can be quite lucrative, depending on level of reach, type of product on offer, and any sponsorships. (My son monetized some of his gaming walk-throughs years ago, but never broke the bank, because everyone was doing it, but he had spending money.) You're right, good for those who can capitalize on their followers and do something out of the box for income. For me, it all feels too feast or famine and fleeting. I'd want more security, health insurance and a 401k. Get off my lawn! 🤣 

  MLM's still puzzle me, as I don't know how anyone makes actual money there, unless one got in early, has a massive down line, or spends a lot of time and energy shilling. (Except Meri who apparently makes bank, even while not doing much, except hashtagging the heck out of posts, and being rude to her customers). I guess I still think of the Brown's as inept or disorganized from how badly they flubbed the Closet.

 

 

[MargeGunderson]

Being an influencer can be a job for sure, but successful influencers have to really work at it, not just put up a post once in a while.  The Browns have a  leg up in that they already have an audience to draw on, but I wonder how much overlap there is between their fans and people who can truly afford $116 for a single pair of lounge pants. Not being able to afford something doesn’t necessarily stop people from buying, but it probably limits them from repeated purchase.

Edited September 21, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[Twopper]

On 9/19/2021 at 6:48 PM, xwordfanatik said:

Oprah would easily spend that kind of dough, but those prices seem to be over my budget.  So of course, nothing but outrageous price tags will do for the Brown Clowns.  No wonder Christine had to sell her house!

I bought a wonderful bamboo mattress pad on amazon for $33.  It was for a double bed, but I just looked and you can find lots of king sized ones for a lot less than even the sale price for this one.   I also buy a cheap one size fits most oversized t-shirt to sleep in for a lot less. 

[Pickleinthemiddle]

2 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Being an influencer can be a job for sure, but successful influencers have to really work at it, not just put up a post once in a while.  The Browns have a  leg up in that they already have an audience to draw on, but I wonder how much overlap there is between their fans and people who can truly afford $116 for a single pair of lounge pants. Not being able to afford something doesn’t necessarily stop people from buying, but it probably limits the, from repeated purchase.

Agree.  If not for their TV presence I doubt they would have the success they have in their side line business.  You have to be a born sales person to sell.  I have only a few times bought something from a friend who does that kind of work.  I let them know I can't afford to buy something every time you have a show/party.  Plus if there are 10 other people doing the same thing in your area, it's hard to sell enough to live on or make it worth the time you put in.

3 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

I guess I still think of the Brown's as inept or disorganized from how badly they flubbed the Closet.

That was Robyn's idea.  I think the other wives knew it would not be profitable.  Janelle even called it a hobby business.  It was wasted money because it was never going to be enough money other than to supplement Robyn's income.  

[WhatAmIWatching]

7 minutes ago, Pickleinthemiddle said:

That was Robyn's idea.  I think the other wives knew it would not be profitable.  Janelle even called it a hobby business.  It was wasted money because it was never going to be enough money other than to supplement Robyn's income.  

But the Closet really could have been viable! They just didn't know what they were doing, and made their offerings too narrow. Add in the cheap trinkets that they overpriced like fine jewelry; not updating often enough; not securing the site well, among many other mistakes, and it ended up a big mess. I still laugh remembering when the site got hacked and redirected to porn! classic.

They had a lot of eyes on them, and that could have translated into sales if only they'd spent a little, and got sound advice on how to market, what to market etc, or even an outside entirety running it, it would have served them well.

 

[ginger90]

And here it sits……..still.

[LilyD]

1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

But the Closet really could have been viable! They just didn't know what they were doing, and made their offerings too narrow. Add in the cheap trinkets that they overpriced like fine jewelry; not updating often enough; not securing the site well, among many other mistakes, and it ended up a big mess. I still laugh remembering when the site got hacked and redirected to porn! classic.

They had a lot of eyes on them, and that could have translated into sales if only they'd spent a little, and got sound advice on how to market, what to market etc, or even an outside entirety running it, it would have served them well.

 

Spot on! I'm taking my reply to Robyn's thread (If I can figure out how to do so)

 

[ginger90]

[Cetacean]

A nice PSA for her followers.  It always helps to talk to someone who has actually been through something and can talk knowledgeably about it.

[deirdra]

Interesting scars. I've only seen single long zipper scars down the middle of the back (like Princess Eugenie's).  This looks like Ysabel's surgery was partially arthroscopic, with several smaller scars on both sides of her back. Glad it worked out for her!

Edited October 1, 2021 by deirdra

[laurakaye]

Ysabel is pain-free and happy and has a "killer" scar.  Good for her.

Take that, Kody, you raging asshat.  Your daughter doesn't need you after all.  She's going to be just fine.

[LilyD]

14 hours ago, deirdra said:

Interesting scars. I've only seen single long zipper scars down the middle of the back (like Princess Eugenie's).  This looks like Ysabel's surgery was partially arthroscopic, with several smaller scars on both sides of her back. Glad it worked out for her!

It’s amazing what they can do through arthroscopic surgeries nowadays. Less massive scarring and a more speedy recovery. Having said that, never forget that there still is pretty extensive damage internally that you don’t see. So Ysabel  probably still had a long (painful) recovery as it’s still a huge procedure.

[ginger90]

Screenshot from a video:

[ginger90]

[xwordfanatik]

Janelle's on this trip too?

Looks like Robert G. has a girlfriend.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, xwordfanatik said:

Janelle's on this trip too?

Christine  had posted she was on her way to California, but then this picture says she and Truely stopped in Flagstaff and then they’re going to California. So, not sure where she was before all of that. Anyway that picture with Janelle is in Flagstaff.

🤷🏼‍♀️

[DakotaJustice]

They all look overfed (except Garrison and his GF). If I was Christine, I'd be concerned about Truely's weight. Looks like she finished off a piece of chocolate cake or a muffin and is washing it down with a frappucino.  Too much sugar for anyone, adult or child.

Edited October 8, 2021 by DakotaJustice

[Art Of Noiz]

I think it's so odd that in the last 2 or 3 seasons Robyn's brood are shielded from social media. 

There was a short clip in S 14 or 15 about Brianna trying out for dance squad. Kodwad objected, Robyn explained it was modest, that she had found that out right away. 

 

Well, there was never any follow up, and it seems the clip has been edited out. 

[Art Of Noiz]

I think she made it? Front and off to (our) left? 

[LilyD]

Savanah has been discussed a lot on this forum over the past few months. she always seems the odd one out because of her age and for being stuck with mom in an RV. I do wonder why she never bonded with Breanna as they are pretty close in age and were only 5 when their parents met. 

Having said that; none of Robyn’s kids have ever really bonded with the others. Dayton in particular had a pretty rough time. It may partly be because of his odd behavior but it was also clearly noticeable that the older boys really weren’t happy to take him on as a brother. 
and then there’s Aurora… no bond with Gwen to whom she’s really close in age but this one I get. Aurora seems overly sensitive and Gwen…well….is not…

I have thought about this a lot as I have a whole bunch of step siblings and I  can’t really be bothered with anyone of them. Fine when I see them, fine when not. Is it the curse of being step siblings? Or is it because of some odd behavior particularly with Dayton and Aurora? Or maybe because Robyn is overly protective and never let anyone near them?

[MakingBacon]

I don’t think Robyn ever wanted her kids close to the Brown siblings. She seems to have wanted Kody but not his other kids. The Brown kids grew up very closely together, especially in the early years. They likely had to stick together while dealing with people on the outside not fond of their family being polygamists. Or just dealing with their fighting parents.  I think it would have been difficult for Robyn’s kids to come into a situation with so many kids, so many moms and coming from a place of one dad, one mom and one set of kids.  Now one dad, four moms and eleventy kids. It would be a difficult situation to navigate.

[Cetacean]

6 minutes ago, MakingBacon said:

 I think it would have been difficult for Robyn’s kids to come into a situation with so many kids, so many moms and coming from a place of one dad, one mom and one set of kids.  

And one wonders how the existing kids felt about another bunch of mouths to feed as well.  I can't imagine any of them being thrilled with a family of strangers arriving.  It's one thing to know siblings from birth, quite another to be handed a bundle of strangers and being told to treat them like "they should have been together all along".  Especially the teens who would be in that rebellious period already.

[Gramto6]

2 hours ago, MakingBacon said:

I don’t think Robyn ever wanted her kids close to the Brown siblings. She seems to have wanted Kody but not his other kids. The Brown kids grew up very closely together, especially in the early years. They likely had to stick together while dealing with people on the outside not fond of their family being polygamists. Or just dealing with their fighting parents.  I think it would have been difficult for Robyn’s kids to come into a situation with so many kids, so many moms and coming from a place of one dad, one mom and one set of kids.  Now one dad, four moms and eleventy kids. It would be a difficult situation to navigate.

This!!

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, LilyD said:

Savanah has been discussed a lot on this forum over the past few months. she always seems the odd one out because of her age and for being stuck with mom in an RV. I do wonder why she never bonded with Breanna as they are pretty close in age and were only 5 when their parents met. 

Having said that; none of Robyn’s kids have ever really bonded with the others. Dayton in particular had a pretty rough time. It may partly be because of his odd behavior but it was also clearly noticeable that the older boys really weren’t happy to take him on as a brother. 
and then there’s Aurora… no bond with Gwen to whom she’s really close in age but this one I get. Aurora seems overly sensitive and Gwen…well….is not…

I have thought about this a lot as I have a whole bunch of step siblings and I  can’t really be bothered with anyone of them. Fine when I see them, fine when not. Is it the curse of being step siblings? Or is it because of some odd behavior particularly with Dayton and Aurora? Or maybe because Robyn is overly protective and never let anyone near them?

All of the above last paragraph reasons are applicable, IMO.  The original kids even said on a talking head that Robyn's kids were overprotected and coddled more than they themselves were.  At least, that's how I took it.

[Libby]

I don't think that Janelle, Christine, or any of their kids were happy to have Robyn or her kids join the family. Kody and Meri wanted them. Meri realized that she didn't only hurt Janelle, Christine, and their kids by bringing Robyn in. She finally figured out that she hurt herself worst of all. Polygamy is a mess. The family was hanging on by a dysfunctional thread before Robyn. Robyn was the final nail in the coffin. Meri brought down the house with her selfishness and her desire to hurt Janelle and Christine.

Someone like Joe Darger can hold this crazy family setup together. Kody was never in his league and just let the dysfunction take hold. I hope his peer group sees him as the loser,  wannabe polygamist that he is. He wanted to be a big shot in their world, but he couldn't pull it off. Robyn could have pulled it off if she was a polygamist man. Ha!

[LilyD]

2 hours ago, Libby said:

Someone like Joe Darger can hold this crazy family setup together. Kody was never in his league and just let the dysfunction take hold.

So true what you said there! As much as I don’t like Joe Darger, he seems to be doing a great job as head of the family and seems respected and well liked by the rest of them.

Kody is dysfunctional, impulsive and chaotic to the core. All equally disastrous when managing a huge family. And he’s completely blind to all visions and needs of everyone around him, only catering to his (and Robyn’s) own whims and needs. That’s probably why the older kids don’t care for him.

[deirdra]

When Kootie gathered the fambly to announce that Robyn was pregnant with Sol, didn't one of the boys - Hunter? or Paedon? - respond with "why do we need more kids?" By that time Kootie had already started ignoring his non-favourite kids.  Kootie calling the kid "King Sol" didn't help.

[Sasha888]

18 hours ago, deirdra said:

When Kootie gathered the fambly to announce that Robyn was pregnant with Sol, didn't one of the boys - Hunter? or Paedon? - respond with "why do we need more kids?"

Hunter. He's always been the outspoken one about Robyn, adding more people, having another baby, etc. He flat out said "we've got too many kids as it is!"

Hunter's my favorite Brown kid. Of course how can anyone not like Logan, I like him too, but I love the common sense coming from Hunter, and he's not afraid to say it right to his parents or right to that camera that his parents had shoved in his face - poor kid.

If you want a laugh, go back and watch the cookie speech. Hunter is lounging with his feet up on the coffee table, yawning, rolling his eyes...🤣🤣🤣

Afterwards he's interviewed by producers and he tells them basically he didn't buy the speech at all, and what two consenting adults want to do is their own business even if they're not married, despite what step-mommy dearest said through her tears. The teen girls are interviewed and are all on the "protect your cookie at all costs" bandwagon, but Hunter, who can't be more than what - 14 or 15 at that time?? - makes up his own mind and cannot be swayed by Robyn's ridiculous bawling or Kody's strong-arming.

I bet Kody can't stand him. He recognized at a very young age what a complete tool his father is, and he makes no bones about it.

[Art Of Noiz]

Logan and Savanah are actually the most diplomatic of J's crew. The other 4? Maddie, Hunter, Garrison, Gabe? Not so much. 

[LilyD]

Talking about lack of tact/ diplomatic skills: who is the worst amongst the kids? 

With Janelle’s bunch, my money is on Maddie and Hunter. But for some reason, Hunter doesn’t really annoy me that much. His blunt comments are often spot on, which can be quite amusing.

With Christine; definitely Gwen and Paedon. With Gwen topping the list here by a mile!

But….None of them can beat Her holy tactless Queen Mariah….

[Kellyee]

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Logan and Savanah are actually the most diplomatic of J's crew. The other 4? Maddie, Hunter, Garrison, Gabe? Not so much. 

Of all the kids, only a few seem interested in continuing the fame whoring. Maddie, Mariah, and Mykelti seem to be trying to extend their 15 minutes of fame. The others don't appear to be selling anything, and aren't as obnoxious on Instagram. A few have gotten jobs and gone completely off the radar. If nothing else, the Browns raised more functional and productive kids than the Duggars. 

 

 

 

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

On 10/23/2021 at 4:51 PM, xwordfanatik said:

All of the above last paragraph reasons are applicable, IMO.  The original kids even said on a talking head that Robyn's kids were overprotected and coddled more than they themselves were.  At least, that's how I took it.

Interesting. I also don't believe that Robyn would allow any of the sisterwives to discipline ANY of her kids, no matter what they may have done.   

[Kellyee]

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Interesting. I also don't believe that Robyn would allow any of the sisterwives to discipline ANY of her kids, no matter what they may have done.   

God help me for defending Robyn, but the first three wives raised their kids together. Robyn officially raised her first 3 kids alone, and the reality is that there is no relationship between Robyn and the other wives beyond Meri showing up to take selfies with the two youngest kids to try to fool us into thinking she's part of the family. Robyn has no more relationship with Janelle and Christine than I have with my neighbors.

 

 

 

 

[Cetacean]

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

Robyn officially raised her first 3 kids alone...

Except that she wasn't alone.  She was married to a man who presumably was present with their three children.  We know that they went to visit him after she hooked her star to the TLC train so he must have been an involved father. I would think if he were abusive or neglectful the visit would not have been so publicly announced.

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

...the reality is that there is no relationship between Robyn and the other wives beyond Meri showing up to take selfies with the two youngest kids to try to fool us into thinking she's part of the family. Robyn has no more relationship with Janelle and Christine than I have with my neighbors.

Absolutely spot on.  And you are probably a lot more cordial to your neighbors.

[LilyD]

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

God help me for defending Robyn, but the first three wives raised their kids together. Robyn officially raised her first 3 kids alone, and the reality is that there is no relationship between Robyn and the other wives beyond Meri showing up to take selfies with the two youngest kids to try to fool us into thinking she's part of the family. Robyn has no more relationship with Janelle and Christine than I have with my neighbors.

You definitely have a good point there. Robyn was in a separate house in Lehi because of space and then they went to Vegas. Again in separate houses. So neither she, nor her kids were ever part of the one big family in one big household. I’m sure that didn’t help her kids to be accepted either. 
 

But….if you agree to marry into a polygamist family, you generally agree to other wives parenting your kids. That includes correcting or disciplining if and when deemed necessary, just like a teacher does.
Unless you’re in one of those dysfunctional families where only the husband is in touch with the wives and live miles apart.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

On 10/25/2021 at 4:30 PM, LilyD said:

You definitely have a good point there. Robyn was in a separate house in Lehi because of space and then they went to Vegas. Again in separate houses. So neither she, nor her kids were ever part of the one big family in one big household. I’m sure that didn’t help her kids to be accepted either. 
 

But….if you agree to marry into a polygamist family, you generally agree to other wives parenting your kids. That includes correcting or disciplining if and when deemed necessary, just like a teacher does.
Unless you’re in one of those dysfunctional families where only the husband is in touch with the wives and live miles apart.

 

I may be cynical and reading more into things than are there, but I lean toward Robyn never wanted to live with any of the others. She's had ample opportunities to push for it, if that's what she's really wanted. Look at now: why can't Jenelle, Christine or even Meri live with her now? I mean, Meri would hardly ever be there, which is a bonus.

I started believing this when she had that note on her fridge about the other kids needing to ask before they ate anything from her fridge. I didn't even do that when my son's friends came over, let alone when my nieces and nephews showed up after school. 

[Art Of Noiz]

On 10/25/2021 at 4:04 PM, Cetacean said:

Except that she wasn't alone.  She was married to a man who presumably was present with their three children.  We know that they went to visit him after she hooked her star to the TLC train so he must have been an involved father. I would think if he were abusive or neglectful the visit would not have been so publicly announced.

Absolutely spot on.  And you are probably a lot more cordial to your neighbors.

I agree with you about Jessop. Her stories about him never rang true to me. She was in debt because she wanted to keep the peace?  Don't think so. I read on CJ's blog (years ago and I can't link to it quickly) that Jessop's family paid off credit cards a couple of times. 

Robyn stated Jessop's family were spiritual leaders in that  community. Jessop's dad was head of maintenence at Pinesdale Academy. Just a couple of inconsistencies.

Dayton and Breanna were stunned when told their daddy agreed to the adoption.  Aurora sobbed and gyrated for the cameras while Dayton blinked, Breanna full teeth grimaced.

Robyn has always made my whiskers twitch.

[LilyD]

5 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

Dayton and Breanna were stunned when told their daddy agreed to the adoption.  Aurora sobbed and gyrated for the cameras while Dayton blinked, Breanna full teeth grimaced.

I may be wrong, but iirc there were rumors out here saying that the adoption wasn’t real? Can’t remember what these rumors were based on though…. That court scene definitely seemed fake to me. 

Apparently the kids have legally changed their names to Brown. But that’s not the same as adoption… And I’m trying really hard to understand why Jessop signed his rights away….. He was involved, albeit minimally….

[Twopper]

On 10/23/2021 at 3:35 PM, LilyD said:

Savanah has been discussed a lot on this forum over the past few months. she always seems the odd one out because of her age and for being stuck with mom in an RV. I do wonder why she never bonded with Breanna as they are pretty close in age and were only 5 when their parents met. 

I re-watched the older seasons fairly recently.  There is a scene with Savannah on the couch, and she mentions how she is excited that Breanna is joining the family so there will be someone her age to play with.  It made me sad realizing that it never seemed to work out for her the way she thought it would.

I think there was a lot of pretending about the blending of Robyn's kids into the mix.  I especially recall Gabe, Aurora and Gwen being referred to as "triplets." If I recall correctly, Gabe and Gwen are a few days apart and probably do feel a little like "twins."  Aurora is six months younger, and she is an add-on to the family.  I cannot imagine any of the three wanting to be considered as triplets.  I think in such a huge family I would want to be known as an individual and not lumped in with two other people. 

[Elodia]

If anyone had told me Gabe and Gwen are real twins, I wouldn't have doubted it for one second. I think they look very much alike.