All Past Seasons of the Late Lamented Show

[DocBrown]

I honestly thought I’d missed a bit. One minute VK has her head in her hands “There’s still 7 cuts, what if I’m one of them!” And the next Jinelle is offering to help her… with no context as to why. 

I wondered if it was just because it was weight, could it be deemed a more sensitive conversation so that’s why it was edited out? 
 

They have been showing season 3/4 over the weekend, which had the fat test when the ladies had to turn up in their bikinis and got their body fat percentage, so will have to see if any of that is cut! 

Edited February 14 by DocBrown

[EricaShadows]

On 2/12/2024 at 4:08 PM, DocBrown said:

Interestingly, they’ve edited out VK’s weight conversations. You see her in the office with Jinelle, and you only see her say “I’d love to empty my brain into yours”, Kitty who says “Give her the respect” but they’ve completely cut the actual weight conversation. So if you were a first time viewer you’d have no idea what Kitty meant with her respect comment. 

They cut out a LOT about Victoria's weight that season, but mainly that scene where Victoria, Jinelle and Kelli were in the office and Victoria was called out for ignoring Jinelle and NOT going to the doctor's appointment (I think the doctor thing was mentioned briefly and rumor has it that Victoria claimed to have an issue that caused her to gain weight and the doctor's appointment was to confirm that condition).  It's fairly obvious because of all the "jumping around" the cameras did.  If they were showing most, or all, of the office visit, there wouldn't be nearly the amount of jumping between shots and the like (and, no, it's not because of all the people in the room).

There was a LOT cut out from that scene and I, for one, would like to have seen the entire scene, but it's also interesting that they left in at least one piece of Victoria lying to Kelli's face and Kelli calling her out on it. 

Edited February 17 by EricaShadows

[MrsEVH]

1 hour ago, EricaShadows said:

They cut out a LOT about Victoria's weight that season, but mainly that scene where Victoria, Jinelle and Kelli were in the office and Victoria was called out for ignoring Jinelle and NOT going to the doctor's appointment (I think the doctor thing was mentioned briefly and rumor has it that Victoria claimed to have an issue that caused her to gain weight and the doctor's appointment was to confirm that condition).  It's fairly obvious because of all the "jumping around" the cameras did.  If they were showing most, or all, of the office visit, there wouldn't be nearly the amount of jumping between shots and the like (and, no, it's not because of all the people in the room).

There was a LOT cut out from that scene and I, for one, would like to have seen the entire scene, but it's also interesting that they left in at least one piece of Victoria lying to Kelli's face and Kelli calling her out on it. 

I'm sure Tina Kalina had a lot to do with it.

[LilyD]

Talking about an increased body weight and discussions about a perfect body in general has become a bit of a mine field over the past few years. There is an increased awareness of the damages it does to people. It wouldn't surprise me if this is the main reason for deleting Victoria's scenes?

Which leaves me wondering about other past episodes....There are loads of examples of Kelli being rude and often unfair toward girls. Will all those episodes be edited?

What will this mean for(possible) future episodes of MTT? Weight, stocky builds, think thighs were all easy excuses for Kelli to rid of unwanted TCC's. Many of these girls were grossly mistreated over weight or "body issues"  for the sake of drama television. Hopefully, a new series will be a big improvement regarding this and focus more on other, more interesting aspects of the journey toward becoming a DCC.

Edited February 17 by LilyD

[cherryblossom]

It is interesting that when I watched the two HBCU colleges play at the NBA All-Star game their cheerleading teams combinedTo present a very spirit filled and sharp routine that would’ve challenged anything that the DCC have done. They had males and female cheerleaders of all shapes & sizes  who were all very much in lines etc.  The cheerleaders represented what people  Who are African-American look like and how they wear their hair. It was a great experience and I only wish that this could be something the DCC could model..

[LilyD]

7 hours ago, cherryblossom said:

The cheerleaders represented what people  Who are African-American look like and how they wear their hair. It was a great experience and I only wish that this could be something the DCC could model..

It has been discussed a few times over the years on this forum. And from what I can see, the only thing that has changed (and only fairly recently) is a reluctant acceptance of African American DCCs sporting their natural hair (but I have a gut feeling that wigs are still encouraged behind the scenes...)

Honestly, I cannot see other things change in the immediate future and definitely not with Kelli and Judy in charge. Those two are firmly stuck in the past, whether it's the never changing DCC uniform (apart from the shorter shorts), their stereotypical DCC type or the over-used Thunderstruck Routine. 

 

[StellaCL]

19 hours ago, LilyD said:

It has been discussed a few times over the years on this forum. And from what I can see, the only thing that has changed (and only fairly recently) is a reluctant acceptance of African American DCCs sporting their natural hair (but I have a gut feeling that wigs are still encouraged behind the scenes...)

 

If I remember correctly, natural black hair is A LOT harder to maintain for an all day football game than wearing a wig. So many DCC prefer the wig to natural hair maintenance. 

And then there are extensions. Darian, Briana, Jacie all wore extensions on the field. Jacie has taken a more pro-natural hair stance post DCC but in an interview she did she said she didn't know she had the option to wear natural hair.

[WenD08]

On 2/18/2024 at 4:56 PM, LilyD said:

It has been discussed a few times over the years on this forum. And from what I can see, the only thing that has changed (and only fairly recently) is a reluctant acceptance of African American DCCs sporting their natural hair (but I have a gut feeling that wigs are still encouraged behind the scenes...)

Honestly, I cannot see other things change in the immediate future and definitely not with Kelli and Judy in charge. Those two are firmly stuck in the past, whether it's the never changing DCC uniform (apart from the shorter shorts), their stereotypical DCC type or the over-used Thunderstruck Routine. 

 

Actually, back in the 70s, there were at least two Black DCCs that wore their hair naturally.   I’m glad to see that a return to this.  

[JarlenaFan2024]

Watching Season 12.  Does anyone know what happened to Brianna from NY (I I think?).  The TCC that said she learned how to cook broccoli IIRC. I don't think she ever auditioned again did she?  LIke Kelli said she was afraid Brianna would go back to NY and they'd never see her again.

[MrsEVH]

6 hours ago, JarlenaFan2023 said:

Watching Season 12.  Does anyone know what happened to Brianna from NY (I I think?).  The TCC that said she learned how to cook broccoli IIRC. I don't think she ever auditioned again did she?  LIke Kelli said she was afraid Brianna would go back to NY and they'd never see her again.

Her IG https://www.instagram.com/briannawilhere_/

 

[JarlenaFan2024]

Awwwww she's gotten really pretty! Wish she'd come back and audition again.  How old would she be now?

On 2/24/2024 at 11:11 AM, MrsEVH said:

Her IG https://www.instagram.com/briannawilhere_/

 

 

Edited February 26 by JarlenaFan2023
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[ByTor]

On 2/26/2024 at 5:42 AM, JarlenaFan2023 said:

How old would she be now?

She was 18 in 2017, she either is or is going on 25. Still very young!

[JarlenaFan2024]

Watching the season Alora Rose left the DCC.  Did she really audition for Rockettes? Did she make it?  Not seeing evidence of her on their social media.

[MrsEVH]

11 hours ago, JarlenaFan2023 said:

Watching the season Alora Rose left the DCC.  Did she really audition for Rockettes? Did she make it?  Not seeing evidence of her on their social media.

Not sure if she left on her own or Kelli cut her. I really never saw Kelli tell her she was cut so we can only assume it was one or the other.  She did not make the Rockettes. 

[Holly85]

1 hour ago, MrsEVH said:

Not sure if she left on her own or Kelli cut her. I really never saw Kelli tell her she was cut so we can only assume it was one or the other.  She did not make the Rockettes. 

No she didn’t make rockettes

[JarlenaFan2024]

Is it completely sad that I can click to go to Pluto and the second the episode comes on the screen I can tell what it is?  (Maddie M overheating in Canton).

[DCC-UK]

Rewatching seasons 3-16 (we don't seem to get 1 and 2 in the UK). I'm up to season 14 and I will forever be annoyed that they took Ashley H into training camp over Katy from UCLA. Ashley's kicks were horrendous with no chance of improvement. Katy had the full package and just needed to tone up a little.

[MrsEVH]

1 minute ago, DCC-UK said:

Rewatching seasons 3-16 (we don't seem to get 1 and 2 in the UK). I'm up to season 14 and I will forever be annoyed that they took Ashley H into training camp over Katy from UCLA. Ashley's kicks were horrendous with no chance of improvement. Katy had the full package and just needed to tone up a little.

Was that the same season they also took the other 2 former Mavs dancers ( Lisa & Julia) to TC?

[Holly85]

12 minutes ago, MrsEVH said:

Was that the same season they also took the other 2 former Mavs dancers ( Lisa & Julia) to TC?

Yes it was 

[StellaCL]

40 minutes ago, DCC-UK said:

Rewatching seasons 3-16 (we don't seem to get 1 and 2 in the UK). I'm up to season 14 and I will forever be annoyed that they took Ashley H into training camp over Katy from UCLA. Ashley's kicks were horrendous with no chance of improvement. Katy had the full package and just needed to tone up a little.

Ashley was (is) well known in the Dallas area and had several friends already on DCC, so she came with local recommendations. I think her potential to be big on social media, which was just globally taking off as "influencers" emerged and what not, was also appealing to TPTB at the time.

She flunked her DC pre-test twice. Her kicks were low, but rumoredly the reason they cut her so soon was the test.

In a mild defense, she didn't have a lot of time to prepare. The Mavs were suddenly dismantled in May of that year. She may have been planning to do another year or two with them before trying for DCC again.

As for Katie, I think TPTB balked because they once again didn't want to deal with weight or "jiggle" in training camp. They had just dealt with that with VK for most of season 13. They would rather just cut at finals at be done with it.

[Christineelgene]

1 hour ago, MrsEVH said:

Was that the same season they also took the other 2 former Mavs dancers ( Lisa & Julia) to TC?

You nailed it.  Everytime they take someone with crappy kicks I reflect on all the times TPTB say “if they can’t kick . . .”

[DCC-UK]

3 hours ago, StellaCL said:

Ashley was (is) well known in the Dallas area and had several friends already on DCC, so she came with local recommendations. I think her potential to be big on social media, which was just globally taking off as "influencers" emerged and what not, was also appealing to TPTB at the time.

She flunked her DC pre-test twice. Her kicks were low, but rumoredly the reason they cut her so soon was the test.

In a mild defense, she didn't have a lot of time to prepare. The Mavs were suddenly dismantled in May of that year. She may have been planning to do another year or two with them before trying for DCC again.

As for Katie, I think TPTB balked because they once again didn't want to deal with weight or "jiggle" in training camp. They had just dealt with that with VK for most of season 13. They would rather just cut at finals at be done with it.

Didn't she say that she'd tried out for DCC before? Flexibility is never a bad thing to be working on as a dancer as I'm sure the Mavs did some form of kicking motion over the four years she was there (not a kickline obviously, but some kicks in some capacity).

As someone who is an influencer (well, blogger) and works in marketing, I can definitely see her appeal though. She'd have been used on just about every poster and promo for sure!

I don't think Katy was even that big, 4 hours of dancing a night is pretty good cardio to lose a couple of pounds! She's built a bit like Rachel A, more of an athletic figure, which isn't usually TPTB's favourite body type. Charm was VERY passionate about her, that's why I was convinced.

[tarheel220]

On 2/12/2024 at 7:08 PM, DocBrown said:

Thank you @DCC-UK for alerting me to the fact that making the team is on MTV! As you say, it’s been great to watch on a TV as opposed to a dodgy internet stream. 
 

So we’re on season 13 atm which I love for the rookies (Hannah, Bridget, Jalyn, Ashlee, Erin, Brennan, Cianna, Gabby … honestly I love this class). 
 

Interestingly, they’ve edited out VK’s weight conversations. You see her in the office with Jinelle, and you only see her say “I’d love to empty my brain into yours”, Kitty who says “Give her the respect” but they’ve completely cut the actual weight conversation. So if you were a first time viewer you’d have no idea what Kitty meant with her respect comment. 
 

Wondered if US TV/Pluto has done the same thing? Or if that’s just UK/MTV editing? 

Must be UK because I've seen it in its entirety on PLUTO here.

 

[DocBrown]

1 hour ago, tarheel220 said:

Must be UK because I've seen it in its entirety on PLUTO here.

 

It’s not just VK I’ve noticed. 
 

So the uniform fitting segments, when Kelli discusses the bra sizes of the ladies etc … think season 9 Loren “… they’re mine!” All cut from MTV’s broadcast. Most weight discussions they’ve cut… although camera angles where they’ve zoomed in on stomachs have remained, so that doesn’t quite add up. 
 

Maybe they felt it was too intrusive to have their weight discussed? But then why have the lingering camera angles? 

[ByTor]

On 5/8/2024 at 3:41 PM, DCC-UK said:

Charm was VERY passionate about her, that's why I was convinced.

That's when I knew Charm was a keeper with her "tell her to tone it up, she'll do it." And she most likely would have. Even excusing it with college. Charm actually acted like Katy is human, imagine that!!

[pinkandsparkly13]

On 5/10/2024 at 4:51 PM, ByTor said:

That's when I knew Charm was a keeper with her "tell her to tone it up, she'll do it." And she most likely would have. Even excusing it with college. Charm actually acted like Katy is human, imagine that!!

Was she the one that was friends with Alanna? 

[DocBrown]

37 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

Was she the one that was friends with Alanna? 

No, I believe that was Sarah. Both Laker Girls but only Alanna made it to Training Camp. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure the vibe was that Sarah was the stronger dancer. 
 

Katy was the UCLA dancer. Absolutely loved her - and with Charm’s backing… she obviously had something. Who did they compare her to, where they said similar look but less fluff? 

[pinkandsparkly13]

31 minutes ago, DocBrown said:

No, I believe that was Sarah. Both Laker Girls but only Alanna made it to Training Camp. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure the vibe was that Sarah was the stronger dancer. 
 

Katy was the UCLA dancer. Absolutely loved her - and with Charm’s backing… she obviously had something. Who did they compare her to, where they said similar look but less fluff? 

Oh okay. I haven't watched the show in a long time so I don't know all who's who in the later seasons.  Yeah I remember Alanna's friend getting so much praise throughout the auditions, and not much much was said about her. I was surprised she didn't make it to training camp, but Alanna did. 

[DocBrown]

2 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

Oh okay. I haven't watched the show in a long time so I don't know all who's who in the later seasons.  Yeah I remember Alanna's friend getting so much praise throughout the auditions, and not much much was said about her. I was surprised she didn't make it to training camp, but Alanna did. 

I only remember because it has been on fairly recently in the UK. 
Yes, that’s what I was getting at. Alanna was barely mentioned but Sarah got huge praise, certainly in the early rounds. 

[StellaCL]

Oops, wrong thread.

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[Girl in a Cardigan]

I'm sure we talk about this at the time, but this episode just came on Pluto - so what was the deal with the Demi Lovato concert? Did they scope out that the winner had a huge house? Or was that like an AirBnb for the concert and no one actually lived there?

[LilyD]

On 5/15/2024 at 1:15 AM, Girl in a Cardigan said:

I'm sure we talk about this at the time, but this episode just came on Pluto - so what was the deal with the Demi Lovato concert? Did they scope out that the winner had a huge house? Or was that like an AirBnb for the concert and no one actually lived there?

 Didn’t the girl win some sort of contest? 

I do remember finding it “rather convenient” that the winner lived in a place which was very suited for a big and luxurious party… It made me wonder wether the girl actually lived there. So, I totally see your point.

 

 

[Uk-Eve]

On 5/9/2024 at 11:28 PM, tarheel220 said:

Must be UK because I've seen it in its entirety on PLUTO here.

 

Don't think so. the show is shown on itvbe and it seems consistant to what is being shown. Well its shown the exact same thing as itunes anyway, and from my understanding itunes shows it as it is shown on cmt.

 

I don't think we have pluto here in uk, or I cant get onto it anyway. I know I have to get around US iTunes but making a us account and them buying gift cards, and Apple is a right bummer/annoying with their rules (for their iphones) of you can only watch/use an account from one country every 90 days but that rule don't apply to their apple tv so thank god I can watch the show on my apple tv or I'd be a little more annoyed about the usage of it on my iphone

[JarlenaFan2024]

Watching Season 16 auditions.  What happened to Kelli's foot/leg? Didn't I hear somewhere that she injured herself something to do with her pup Sugar?

[MrsEVH]

2 hours ago, JarlenaFan2024 said:

Watching Season 16 auditions.  What happened to Kelli's foot/leg? Didn't I hear somewhere that she injured herself something to do with her pup Sugar?

I believe she tripped over her dog. Not sure about all the details.

[go4luca]

8 hours ago, JarlenaFan2024 said:

Watching Season 16 auditions.  What happened to Kelli's foot/leg? Didn't I hear somewhere that she injured herself something to do with her pup Sugar?

 

5 hours ago, MrsEVH said:

I believe she tripped over her dog. Not sure about all the details.

Sugar (her then dog) left a bone at the bottom of the stairs and Kelly slipped on it and fell.

 

Edited June 1 by go4luca
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[dariafan]

Why does kitty come in to training camp acting like they are preparing for war or something ?   

[JarlenaFan2024]

21 hours ago, go4luca said:

 

Sugar (her then dog) left a bone at the bottom of the stairs and Kelly slipped on it and fell.

 

Ohhhh...didn't Sugar pass away? 😔

5 hours ago, dariafan said:

Why does kitty come in to training camp acting like they are preparing for war or something ?   

Drama (assuming for the CMT show).  Hoping to have less/none of her for the Netflix version.  How old is she?  Retiring soon?

[go4luca]

6 hours ago, JarlenaFan2024 said:

Ohhhh...didn't Sugar pass away? 😔

Correct.  That's why I said her then dog".

Edited June 2 by go4luca