Matt and Caryn

[Libby]

12 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Personally, I see the producers really milking this story line with the family dispute regarding the farm because the show has become a real snooze-fest and I bet their ratings are tanking.

I agree that the most potent source of content for the show is zach and tori and the 3 dwarf children. 

Therefore, I think zach and tori hold the keys to the $$$ kingdom that the show provides all the cast members.

Amy, Chris, Matt and Caryn are peripheral players who really don't have anything materially interesting enough in their lives to capture and audience.  That's my opinion.

I agree. Without Zach, Tori, and the kids, they got nothing.

Recent Matt/Caryn, Amy/Chris storylines involve the couples visiting with each other, or worse, visiting with friends that we don't care about. Oh, and we had the big adventure, last season, of Caryn pushing Matt in a stroller.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Libby

[readheaded]

19 hours ago, Munchkin said:

Maybe Matt thinks having Caryn in the room is worth the "trouble" of alienating his greedy little weasel son and his rude frumpy wife.

Caryn was his farm manager, is still active in pumpkin season, Matt must respect her opinion and maybe he wanted someone in the meeting who had HIS best interest at heart.

It's not uncommon for high profile families to actually lawyers and others in the room, The Roloffs aren't that high profile but if Matt wants someone in the room who supports him I have no problem with that.

ZiT are bitter little pills and pathetic parents.

Having a small child like Jackson stand in the bucket of a tractor as you wheel around your property with a toddler on the seat next to you is beyond stupid and reckless.

Zach learned his parenting at his own parents' knees. Let's not forget that Jacob was seriously injured on the farm and molested.

[b4pjoe]

To be honest I don't know why I still watch this show as there really is not that much that is interesting. But I do know if the show just becomes Zach, Tori, and their 3 kids I won't be watching anymore. I'm almost to the point of fast forwarding through any scenes that they are in.

[Harry Wails]

3 hours ago, readheaded said:

Zach learned his parenting at his own parents' knees. Let's not forget that Jacob was seriously injured on the farm and molested.

and if Matt or Amy jump off a bridge Zach should follow.

As posted in the episode forum, we're a lot more educated as a society about the danger of certain activities, we no longer sell huge firecrackers that were basically small sticks of dynamite to children because kids blew their fingers off etc and we found out it was dangerous.

The fact that Matt and Amy allowed ridiculously dangerous activities on the farm doesn't make it okay for Zach to follow in their footsteps, apparently Jacob refuses to allow his child to be any part of the Roloff TLC world because he has first hand knowledge of the danger involved and I'm assuming that Zach knows what went on with Jacob and the trebuchet and  Jacob and the molester etc but Zach has chosen to ignore the danger and carry on.

Zach's an adult and if something happens to one of his kids, that's on Zach.... NOT Matt or Amy.

[Redrum]

But Matt is equally a dumbass who cheerfully smiled at all sorts of unsafe shit. I mean the kids Matt had were raised on the 2000s not the 1970s. Pretty sure in 2003 that riding in a tractor with your kids in the scoop was considered unsafe then. So was letting g your kid ride on the roof of your atv (thats something Matt was grinning over in early episodes) I mean, for safety reasons Jackson really ought to be in a car seat or at least buckled up when he was three and four zipping around with Matt on the Mule. This wasn't happening in the olden days when kids could blow their hands off with M80s. 

[Back Atcha]

12 hours ago, b4pjoe said:

But I do know if the show just becomes Zach, Tori, and their 3 kids I won't be watching anymore. I'm almost to the point of fast forwarding through any scenes that they are in.

I'd love to watch a weekly show featuring only little Jackson IF I didn't want him and his childhood ruined by being in "showbiz" (no matter what level).  He's such a smart and charming kid but I worry about his future...and especially his poor little legs.

[Back Atcha]

16 hours ago, Adiba said:

If Caryn is not part owner of the farm, I could see how the adult children of Matt do not feel she should be part of the negotiation process, at least not in person. Matt could have consulted her when they were alone. 

What abaout this...

If Caryn is not part owner of the farm, AND if most of the family and close friends consider that Caryn was a main cause of Matt's and Amy's divorce and "the aftermath," I could see how the adult children of Matt do not feel she should be part of the negotiation process, at least not in person. Matt could have consulted her when they were alone. 

Here's a good rule of thumb.  If you're married and fall in love with your married boss--or he falls in love with you--and (worse) you both have children, it's time to leave that job quickly and move on to a new job, having learned a good lesson. Hopefully.  

[Back Atcha]

On 11/10/2022 at 3:43 AM, Meh said:

Maybe Matt just wanted his "partner" in the room with him? Like it or not, they are a couple. Financial decisions belong to them both, since they are a couple?

That last sentence isn't binding in any legal way.   They are a couple in terms of "romance" only. Caryn has no legal rights as far as Matt's sole financial holdings are concerned; he can certainly ask her advice--and share 100% of his personal information.  She also has no responsibilities should he happen to be sued "for everything he owns." She's free and clear...no "couplehood" can be considered. 

When there's a meeting about family business or family finances, she shouldn't be there.

If Matt dies unmarried without a will leaving something to Caryn, too bad for Caryn. If they purchased and own (title) that Arizona home together, no worries for Caryn (except Matt's percentage will go to his heirs).  If Matt didn't have a will, the rest of his property will go to his next of kin: his kids.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Back Atcha

[Meh]

I bet none of Amy's assets are in Chris's name. So does that make her less of a partner to him even though they are married?

[Redrum]

6 minutes ago, Meh said:

I bet none of Amy's assets are in Chris's name. So does that make her less of a partner to him even though they are married?

As a married couple they file taxes as a married couple. Legally Chris can make medical decisions for Amy. If she does not have a will, legally as her husband, he inherits her assets - depending on the state, either all or some since she has children from a prior marriage. 

As two singles, Matt and Caryn file taxes separately. As an unmarried couple, Matt and Caryn both would have to take special legal steps for either to make medical decisions for the other. Technically if either gets ill, the family can restrict the partner in an unmarried situation from even visiting in the hospital. Without a will specifically naming Caryn, if Matt dies, Caryn as his special life partner gets nothing.

I'd also mention that Amy and Chris live together while Matt and Caryn pointedly maintain separate homes and make it very very well known that they do NOT share a home. That means that even if Oregon had common law marriage - it doesn't - Caryn wouldn't be considered a common law wife because she does not share a domicile with her life partner.

Matt and Caryn are dating. They're not even engaged. They are two single people dating long term and that is vastly different legally when it comes to assets and legal rights of married couples. The very fact that Matt and Caryn could simply break up at any time with no legal repercussions and no longer be "life partners" simply by declaring it means their commitment to each other is not the same as a married couple's commitment.

Marriage isn't really about assets, its about commitment. Amy and Chris are married, if they decide to call it quits, its a formal divorce. If Matt and Caryn decide to call it quits.., they just walk away. 

[bichonblitz]

2 hours ago, Redrum said:

As a married couple they file taxes as a married couple

Not necessarily. I always filed "married filing single" for personal reasons. You do not have to file as a couple if you don't want to. This was in the state of Florida so maybe the laws are different in Oregon or Washington (I forget where they live).

[pdlinda]

9 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

I'd love to watch a weekly show featuring only little Jackson IF I didn't want him and his childhood ruined by being in "showbiz" (no matter what level).  He's such a smart and charming kid but I worry about his future...and especially his poor little legs.

I agree that it's entertaining to watch Jackson in his everyday life; however, I still can't understand a word he says without the "closed captioning."

Of course, Lilah is very cute, too, but has very limited language ability.

Is that a typical trait of dwarfism? 

I recall that the Klein kids, Zoey and Will, in "The Little Couple" also had language difficulties but steps were taken to give them speech therapy. The show was cancelled so I don't know how well they are communicating verbally now.  

[Absolom]

10 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

I agree that it's entertaining to watch Jackson in his everyday life; however, I still can't understand a word he says without the "closed captioning."

Of course, Lilah is very cute, too, but has very limited language ability.

Is that a typical trait of dwarfism? 

I recall that the Klein kids, Zoey and Will, in "The Little Couple" also had language difficulties but steps were taken to give them speech therapy. The show was cancelled so I don't know how well they are communicating verbally now.  

Taking this to the Zach and Tori thread.

[Back Atcha]

Redrum's comment MOVED from the Zack and Tori page because further "Matt and Caryn" comments will be removed.

REDRUM:  I'm not without sympathy for Caryn, but whatever she said in that deal meeting offended Tory and Zach enough that they're willing to apparently greatly inconvenience themselves to keep her away from the kids. The kids belong to Zach and Tory, maybe Caryn should consider why they've made this judgment call.

ME (with a further comment):  I AM without sympathy for Caryn for reasons I (and others) have stated ad infinitum: married employee/married employer "friendship" took a "romantic" turn that damaged families emotionally and financially.

I think that if she didn't really know what she said in the "family meeting," she does now.  It was reported and then commented on this forum often, that (whether her attendance was appropriate or not) not only did she participate--SHE brought the meeting to an end.  Abruptly.  That's it.  Over. Finito. Everybody out. 

Seems like Matt can visit his grandchildren whenever he wants to and family gatherings without Cha Cha shouldn't be difficult to arrange.  Amy's probably more comfortable when "the other woman" isn't present so often.  Why doesn't Matt just marry the girl and help end all this drama?  Money?

[Back Atcha]

On 11/9/2022 at 1:21 PM, Redrum said:

On 11/9/2022 at 1:04 PM, readheaded said:

Since Caryn's big on shit-talking other peoples' families, when does she talk about her own son's drug habits and arrests?

I imagine that's all so private as far as she is concerned.

Yes...HER stuff is "all so private," but she freely passes along ROLOFF private stuff--and her opinions, right or wrong.  She's one of those females one needs to keep an eye on.

[Back Atcha]

2 minutes ago, readheaded said:

She may get alimony and her ex-husband's retirement benefits if she doesn't remarry.

That's an excellent point, but she never seems to HINT at that...I get the impression she really wants to marry Matt.  There might be a clause that stops the alimony at some point.

[Back Atcha]

4 hours ago, pdlinda said:

I agree that it's entertaining to watch Jackson in his everyday life; however, I still can't understand a word he says without the "closed captioning."

Of course, Lilah is very cute, too, but has very limited language ability.

Is that a typical trait of dwarfism? 

I'm not sure about dwarfism ... but they do spend a lot of time "at work," and not doing the usual learning by playing that "our" tiny kids would without a lot of "crew, equipment, storylines," etc. to add to their daily lives.   Jackson seems very bright; they'll all probably catch up.  He's probably learning how to behave like a professional (and not always a good thing that we learn from former child stars).

Are there "legal requirements" for children participating on cable "reality shows" similar to those protections in the movie business?   AKA tutors, breaks, etc. ?

Edited November 11, 2022 by Back Atcha

[Absolom]

The Coogan Act protections apply in California.  Most states have no protections at all.  Pennsylvania has some especially regarding a trust to be set aside to be used only for the child's/children's needs.  

[Endora]

I am sure when the negotiation meeting was discussed with Amy she stirred up shit about Caryn with ZiT.  She was always jealous of Caryn’s closeness with ZiT.  She is loving every minute of their anger.

[Ms.Lulu]

13 minutes ago, Endora said:

I am sure when the negotiation meeting was discussed with Amy she stirred up shit about Caryn with ZiT.  She was always jealous of Caryn’s closeness with ZiT.  She is loving every minute of their anger.

You could feel Amy feeding on her new status in the season premiere. Chris pushed a bit, asking Amy if she thought she was the top choice to watch the other kids (when Tori went in to have #3). But Amy didn't care. She is happy being above Chacha.

It is a competition that Matt and Caryn may not be aware they are in. 

I think Matt and Caryn are committed to each other, regardless of  a marriage license. And so this idea that Caryn wouldn't support Matt in negotiations is probably something that neither of them considered.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[Redrum]

17 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

It is a competition that Matt and Caryn may not be aware they are in. 

Oh, I disagree. Matt and Caryn were delighted to be the grandparents of choice in prior seasons. Caryn smiling wide with her arms open gathering the little ones, the little ones who pointedly ignored Amy for fun with Chacha? Matt building stuff for Jackson and riding around with Jackson as his lil buddy  and going on about how he loved seeing his grandson on his farm (that he spent a whole lotta time and money driving Amy away from)... yeah Matt and Caryn lording how they were the fave grandparents was happening in prior seasons. 

[athousandclowns]

4 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

That's an excellent point, but she never seems to HINT at that...I get the impression she really wants to marry Matt.  There might be a clause that stops the alimony at some point.

In California you still get partial retirement benefits of spouse  if you were married 10+ years . So many trips to Bali I took with the $114.00 a month  

Is there such a thing as alimony anymore? Really I don’t know and my earning capacity wasn’t enough to pay a Morgage etc and I  didn’t get alimony. The ex convinced the judge tge money he made doing income taxes was something he did on the side, even like it was seasonal.  The judge agreed because he used to do them. 
The years following I understood alimony was a temporary thing. Who  was the famous actor or celebrity that lived long term with someone and got palimony. I know you know BACK ATCHA 

[Jeanne222]

20 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

I'd love to watch a weekly show featuring only little Jackson IF I didn't want him and his childhood ruined by being in "showbiz" (no matter what level).  He's such a smart and charming kid but I worry about his future...and especially his poor little legs.

In the beginning I used to love little Jackson but he's not the same.  Up close he has a nasty look on his face.  He's just a mean family member.  A bully.

I'm not sure who created this monster.  Matt and Caryn, TLC, or Zack and Tori.

[Jeanne222]

20 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

That last sentence isn't binding in any legal way.   They are a couple in terms of "romance" only. Caryn has no legal rights as far as Matt's sole financial holdings are concerned; he can certainly ask her advice--and share 100% of his personal information.  She also has no responsibilities should he happen to be sued "for everything he owns." She's free and clear...no "couplehood" can be considered. 

When there's a meeting about family business or family finances, she shouldn't be there.

If Matt dies unmarried without a will leaving something to Caryn, too bad for Caryn. If they purchased and own (title) that Arizona home together, no worries for Caryn (except Matt's percentage will go to his heirs).  If Matt didn't have a will, the rest of his property will go to his next of kin: his kids.

I suspect Matt is just as smart in planning for the future as he was in making such a success of Roloff Farms.

Maybe Matt has named Caryn as the Trustee of his finances should he die or becomes incapacitated!  Then she would surely have a right to be at all meetings regarding money.

[Jeanne222]

Heck  maybe Matt and Caryn are already married but prefer to keep that quiet and private between themselves.

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

I'm not sure who created this monster.  Matt and Caryn, TLC, or Zack and Tori.

A combination, but "showbiz" will do it to a kid almost every time.  I haven't noticed anything negative about him.  He's young and required to "be mature" for his job.  I'd probably give him a pass again and again.

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

Maybe Matt has named Caryn as the Trustee of his finances should he die or becomes incapacitated!  Then she would surely have a right to be at all meetings regarding money.

Had that (if true) been made clear at "the big meeting," there would be fewer hurt feelings -- or hurt feelings for a different reason.  I doubt if Genius Matt considers anyone other than himself competent enough.  It's possible that Caryn has "a certain influence," but probably not on his money.

[Back Atcha]

4 hours ago, athousandclowns said:

The years following I understood alimony was a temporary thing. Who  was the famous actor or celebrity that lived long term with someone and got palimony. I know you know BACK ATCHA 

Lee Marvin is one...maybe the first.

[Joan of Argh]

4 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

In the beginning I used to love little Jackson but he's not the same.  Up close he has a nasty look on his face.  He's just a mean family member.  A bully.

I'm not sure who created this monster.  Matt and Caryn, TLC, or Zack and Tori.

Me too, I used to love little Jackson but lately he’s an insufferable bossy little brat…. Can’t stand the way he constantly steals the spotlight from Lilah and always has to be the center of attention.

I remember back when he was about 3 1/2 Tori would put LPBW on the TV and ask him who’s tv show it was and he’d say MY SHOW and Tori said that’s right “The Jackson Show!”

Since then I’ve seen her do that several times on Instagram and he’s gotten more and more full of himself like HE’S the star of his own TV show…. Nevermind that it’s called “Little PEOPLE big World” and there’s several little people on the show… his gramma, his grampa, his dad, his sister and now his baby brother….  he thinks it’s all about him and he’s the star.

No wonder it took him a month or more to finally receive a good behaviour report from his teacher, he’s way too full of himself.

[65mickey]

6 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Heck  maybe Matt and Caryn are already married but prefer to keep that quiet and private between themselves.

I remember in one of their talking heads that she slipped up and referred to Matt as her husband but she quickly corrected herself. I have suspected that they might be married.

[Harry Wails]

On 11/12/2022 at 4:38 AM, 65mickey said:

I remember in one of their talking heads that she slipped up and referred to Matt as her husband but she quickly corrected herself. I have suspected that they might be married.

I remember that, it was kind of weird, Caryn blurted out "husband" when referring to Matt and then suddenly realized and scrambled to correct herself.

I have no idea if they're married or not, I can't imagine why they'd keep it a secret if they were but people do strange things all the time that don't make any sense so who knows.

JMO but I can't imagine Matt marrying again.

[Back Atcha]

On 11/14/2022 at 3:39 PM, Munchkin said:

JMO but I can't imagine Matt marrying again.

I think he'd consider marrying Caryn if he BELIEVES she will help him physically as he declines.  He'd require a STRONG prenup in his favor; she's too crafty for that.

"In his favor" means she'd get NOTHING he brought into the marriage.

[65mickey]

Why would she want to marry Matt and devote her life to being his caregiver just for him to cut her out of his will? That seems like a bad deal for her and completely unfair. If he requires a caregiver and his kids want Caryn to be left nothing then let them take care of Matt in his declining years. Fat chance that will happen and I am sure Matt knows this.

[Back Atcha]

On 11/11/2022 at 6:54 PM, Ms.Lulu said:

And so this idea that Caryn wouldn't support Matt in negotiations is probably something that neither of them considered.

Various stories make it seem that Caryn (not a family member...and a considered a "usurper" by some) took over the negotiations--definitely ENDED them.  Perhaps next time a "family" business meeting is called (if ever), it's something they Matt and girlfriend should consider.  Things Matt said in recent episodes give the impression he thinks so too.

[65mickey]

What would be the source of those "various stories"? Stories being the operative word. The negotiations are over. Zach and Tori are no longer a part of the negotiations. And Matt being the sole owner of the farm can have Caryn or whomever he wants to be involved in furture negotiotions. 

[b4pjoe]

The airbnb is available now. $645 per night plus cleaning and service fees.

World Renowned Roloff Farms, Pets OK, Games
 

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Several large grass areas around the property can be utilized by guests, however some of the more unique farm features can be viewed from a distance, they are *not* accessible or included in the rental. This includes but is not entirely limited to the 'Western Town, Castle, Barns, Pond, etc.) Pictures both before booking and after the fact have been provided for clear boundaries.

[BAForever]

 Over $700 a night? Even splitting among several families. Hard pass here, just not enough to do. We've done out-of-the-way rentals, but there's always been lake activities. 

[Absolom]

For such a large piece of land the boundaries around the house are restrictive.  How are the boundaries going to be enforced?  Is Matt going to have to pay for security? This isn't like getting a place where there are a lot of activities nearby.  

[b4pjoe]

14 minutes ago, Absolom said:

For such a large piece of land the boundaries around the house are restrictive.  How are the boundaries going to be enforced?  Is Matt going to have to pay for security? This isn't like getting a place where there are a lot of activities nearby.  

2 hours ago, b4pjoe said:

Pictures both before booking and after the fact have been provided for clear boundaries.

[65mickey]

Unless he can market this to groups for business  conferences  or family reunions I don't see how he will make any money off this. Pepole staying in an Air B&B usually  want to be near a city where they can sight see or attend events not stuck out on a farm with nothing to do but look at scenery. Unless he has someone on site preparing breakfast I don't get why they are call this an Air B&B when it seems like it is a short term vacation rental. I didn't read the details on this so I might be wrong but $645 per night is not a lot of money split among several families. Heck there are hotels in cities that charge this per night for one room. Out of whatever he makes he has to pay for people to clean the place pay taxes, utilities, insurance and a fee to the Air B&B people. Maybe he is holding off on selling to appease the family or waitiing for real esate sales to pick up. But I can see this being a money loser. If I were Matt I would have either pulled the property off the market for awhile and then reduced the price. 

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

For such a large piece of land the boundaries around the house are restrictive.  How are the boundaries going to be enforced?  Is Matt going to have to pay for security? This isn't like getting a place where there are a lot of activities nearby.  

It's not like the attractions are fenced off. I can't imagine what his insurance bill is. If a child or a teenager strikes out to the attractions and gets hurt or God forbid killed can you imagine the lawsuit even with insurance?

Edited November 20, 2022 by 65mickey

[ginger90]

The $645 is for dates in December. Some dates in  June/July are $1,714.

[b4pjoe]

Looks like there is a 3 day minimum when booking reservations.

Edited November 20, 2022 by b4pjoe

[b4pjoe]

If you want to book on 12/26/22-12/29/22 it runs $1,451 per night plus $360 in cleaning fees and $665 service fee for a total for 3 days of $5,379 before taxes.

[b4pjoe]

Seems like the Zillow Zestimate for the farm has dropped from around $4 million to $2.4 million since they took it off of the market.

[Dibs]

I have to admit that I'm worried about Matt and Caryn's relationship.  This rift with the family is putting tremendous strain on it, no longer having access to the kids takes a lot of the fun out of it, the farm/house transition isn't going to plan, and now even Ron's death - leaving Hunny a widow - puts a crimp in their Arizona life where the sets of parents were friendly and hanging out, forming a family there.  I also don't know how Matt will adjust to retirement or if Caryn will ever move in!

Personally, I think it's a shame that after overcoming so much and achieving such great things in spite of  severe disabilities, he now has to contend with such crap.

[stoppro]

I dislike matt, I hope the crap keeps coming.

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, Dibs said:

Personally, I think it's a shame that after overcoming so much and achieving such great things in spite of  severe disabilities, he now has to contend with such crap.

It's all called life.  Matt hasn't had to overcome more than a lot of us here and some of us have achieved as much or more than by needing to fund our families by putting them on a TV show.   Parents die.  My last one did a few weeks ago.  Relationships have their up their ups and downs.  Matt's relationships with his kids are to a great extent self-inflicted wounds.  

[BAForever]

28 minutes ago, stoppro said:

I dislike matt, I hope the crap keeps coming.

Late to the show, been bingeing. I liked Matt in the beginning. I admired him overcoming a sad childhood and becoming a successful business person. I think since I don't wait a week (or months for new seasons), the family dysfunction has been magnified. Amy is making the best of her reset with Chris. Matt is a mean-spirited little man (no reflection on his stature). I wish no ill on him, but just not sure he can ever be happy or content.

[65mickey]

5 hours ago, Dibs said:

now even Ron's death - leaving Hunny a widow - puts a crimp in their Arizona life where the sets of parents were friendly and hanging out, forming a family there.

Just because Honny is a widow why should this affect her hanging out and being friendly with Caryn's parents? Does she need a spouse to be part of their group? 

4 hours ago, Absolom said:

Matt hasn't had to overcome more than a lot of us here and some of us have achieved as much or more than by needing to fund our families by putting them on a TV show.

I do not know what most posters here have had to overcome but I consider my self average and in no way have I had to overcome what Matt has in the way of physical  challenges . I have not achieved anything close to what he has. And a lot of this was done before the TV show.  But yes the show and the income helped. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by 65mickey

[65mickey]

4 hours ago, BAForever said:

Amy is making the best of her reset with Chris. Matt is a mean-spirited little man (no reflection on his stature). I wish no ill on him, but just not sure he can ever be happy or content.

I don't agree that Amy is making the best of her reset with Chris. Week after week she goes off on Matt. Her bitterness is palpable. She cannot let go of the farm. If Amy is allowed to find happiness in a new relationship why isn't Matt allowed to have a happy life with Caryn?

5 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Just because Honny is a widow why should this affect her hanging out and being friendly with Caryn's parents? Does she need a spouse to be part of their group? 

I do not know what most posters here have had to overcome but I consider my self average and in no way have I had to overcome what Matt has in the way of physical  challenges . I have not achieved anything close to what he has. And a lot of this was done before the TV show.  But yes the show and the income helped.