S02.E07: Light and Shadows

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Burnham goes to Vulcan in search of Spock, where she unearths surprising family secrets. In researching what is left of the Red Angel's signal over Kaminar, Pike and Tyler end up in battle with time itself. Georgiou has a few tricks up her sleeve for Leland and Section 31.

Airdate: Thursday, February 28, 2019

[ottoDbusdriver]

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Burnham goes to Vulcan in search of Spock

I'd recommend she try the Genesis planet, but we're a few years too early for that.  :)

Edited February 28, 2019 by ottoDbusdriver

[paigow]

1 hour ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

I'd recommend she try the Genesis planet, but we're a few years too early for that.  🙂

Spock was flying away from Vulcan before??? Abandoned his shuttle so Georgiou could find it??? Hijacked some other shuttle or built a super transporter to end up at the most likely place a dumb Vulcan fugitive would go???

[ottoDbusdriver]

Talos IV ??  Seriously ??

Anyone else notice that the Red Angel in the intro credits has been replaced with the mechanical Red Angel suit ?

[starri]

1 minute ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

Talos IV ??  Seriously ??

Isn't Michael a little afraid of getting a death sentence?

Were they trying to hint that Spock was autistic?

[ottoDbusdriver]

1 hour ago, starri said:

Isn't Michael a little afraid of getting a death sentence?

Were they trying to hint that Spock was autistic?

That's the weird thing -- has the Enterprise even visited Talos IV yet ?  We have no idea. 
Has General Order 7 been issued yet by Starfleet ?  Because you would think that Michael would be aware of such a thing.

It sounded like Amanda was saying that Spock was the Vulcan equivalent of dyslexic, maybe ?  That's why the number were backwards.

I was beginning to think the time rift was a crossover with the the movie 'The Matrix', because that upgraded probe sure seemed to behave like a squiddie.  Kind of looked like a squiddie too.

And what was with the 3 red dots that appear to have infected Lt. Cdr. Airiam ?  

Are they ever going to get back to searching for the remaining 4 of 7 red beacons ?  Knowing our luck, we'll get another episode about the Klingons next week.

[Cerulean]

I’m charmed by the fact that Pike seems to be strongly Team Tilly. (And Saru is left to be “bad, but still supportive cop”)

[ottoDbusdriver]

8 minutes ago, Cerulean said:

I’m charmed by the fact that Pike seems to be strongly Team Tilly. (And Saru is left to be “bad, but still supportive cop”)

I liked that Tilly caught herself from swearing on the bridge, because you know that's how she gets around violations of causality.  :)

With all the mentions of Time Rift and Time tsunami, I was kind of hoping for a time slip reference (with a bit of a mind flip tossed in for good measure).

Edited March 1, 2019 by ottoDbusdriver

[UNOSEZ]

I was a little lost at times.. But damn did I enjoy myself... Love Michael's relationship with  all 3 of her "parents" looks like some bad software uploaded itself into  Lt.  airiam  so that's gonna be an issue later on

[thuganomics85]

At long last, we finally meet non-Leonard Nimoy, non-Zachary Quinto Spock!  Still not enough to really get a sense of him (other than that he's dyslexic?), but the actor really seems to rival Benedict Cumberbatch in the "booming, deep voice" department.

It sounded like Amanda had hidden Spock somewhere really isolated, yet Sarek literally just showed up a few minutes later.  Was he just tailing them or did he have a tracking device on their shuttle?

I've already been enjoying Pike, but the fact he clearly seems to enjoy Tilly's... Tillyisms, makes me like him even more.

Georgiou continues to be the best.  And if she's to believe, it certainly seems like Leland's got some skeletons in his closet, including being responsible for the deaths of Michael's birth parents.

I still feel like they should have had at least one scene where Tyler and Culber cross paths, and address what went down.  It just feels weird that a bigger deal hasn't been made over the whole "Sorry I killed you back when I was a Klingon, but, hey, your boyfriend managed to pull you out of the spores, so.... we're all good, right?" thing.

[theschnauzers]

Ethan Peck has his grandfather’s voice. No mistake about it.

[MissLucas]

9 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

I was beginning to think the time rift was a crossover with the the movie 'The Matrix', because that upgraded probe sure seemed to behave like a squiddie.  Kind of looked like a squiddie too.
 

Yep, I had Matrix flashbacks too.

3 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

At long last, we finally meet non-Leonard Nimoy, non-Zachary Quinto Spock!  Still not enough to really get a sense of him (other than that he's dyslexic?), but the actor really seems to rival Benedict Cumberbatch in the "booming, deep voice" department.

He already played an impressively deep-voiced teenager ten years ago so it was to be expected that his voice would drop to Cumberbatch (or Grandpa) levels.

Well, we finally get to see baby-Spock - too bad there was no real interaction between him and any of the other characters. But I have to say Vulcan fashion is extremely cool - I would like to have that coat Burnham was wearing but no chance that it's going to pop up on WornOnTv.net

What's Tyler going to do once he's really severely injured? Heroically bleeding to death in order to avoid meeting Culber? Looks like there's truly some Klingon left inside.

Yeoh continues to rule supreme - loved the emperor's 'what did you expect' face after shooting at Burnham.

Looks like my wish to know more about Lt. Com. Airiam is about to come true - let's see how many episodes it takes until they figure out something is wrong with her.

ETA: I think Amanda and Sarek should schedule some marriage counseling, but what else is new?

Edited March 1, 2019 by MissLucas

[starri]

3 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

It sounded like Amanda had hidden Spock somewhere really isolated, yet Sarek literally just showed up a few minutes later.  Was he just tailing them or did he have a tracking device on their shuttle?

I might be wrong about this, but I had the impression that it was somewhere near their house.  Michael made mention of katra stones being kept there, and my assumption was that it's the family crypt.

9 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

That's the weird thing -- has the Enterprise even visited Talos IV yet ? 

"The Cage" happened two years before the Battle of the Binary Stars.

2 hours ago, MissLucas said:

Yeoh continues to rule supreme - loved the emperor's 'what did you expect' face after shooting at Burnham.

What consistent impresses me is that, since she is the actor with the highest profile among the cast (much higher internationally than even Jason Isaacs), she's probably being paid very well.  I can't imagine that wouldn't tempt anyone to phone it in a little.  And yet, she's having a marvelous time, and it really comes across.

[KimberStormer]

Probe's a squid now

Spock's a kid now

I wish I myself had a time rift so I could go back and tell the original producers of this show: do not make it a prequel.  No Spock allowed.  Have faith in your darling Michael to stand on her own two feet, without these ridiculous crutches --  your original character being the long-lost human sister of Spock is something you couldn't get away with on a fanfic forum populated entirely by 17-year-olds, it's the oldest cliche in the book.  And it has led to nothing good for the entire duration of the show, I can't think of anything -- absolutely anything -- that was good because it's a prequel.  I like the actress playing Amanda but holy shit they just never give her anything but the baldest, most absurd exposition dialogue.  This time she got an entire exposition-only infodump conversation with Sarek where they both sounded like high school students making a class presentation by just reading from the textbook.

So now they've not only forcibly imposed puberty on an entire planet and very likely triggered a genocidal race war there, but they hung around....not to do anything to help, but to study a space phenomenon?  And in the course of studying it, triggered a TIME TSUNAMI which sure looked like it was hitting the planet they've just so thoroughly fucked up?  And Saru is totally back to normal and doesn't show any interest in his own home planet?  Mindboggling.

[paigow]

2 minutes ago, KimberStormer said:

And in the course of studying it, triggered a TIME TSUNAMI

Like Picard in TNG series finale breaking down temporal barriers....

[ottoDbusdriver]

36 minutes ago, paigow said:

Like Picard in TNG series finale breaking down temporal barriers....

If the results of the probe scan of the time rift show 3 inverse tachyon beams converging at a point in space time, I may be out (I'm kidding).

41 minutes ago, KimberStormer said:

So now they've not only forcibly imposed puberty on an entire planet and very likely triggered a genocidal race war there, but they hung around....not to do anything to help, but to study a space phenomenon?  And in the course of studying it, triggered a TIME TSUNAMI which sure looked like it was hitting the planet they've just so thoroughly fucked up?  And Saru is totally back to normal and doesn't show any interest in his own home planet?  Mindboggling.

The time tsunami being that close to Kaminar should really screw up the planet -- might get some OG predatory Kelpians showing up.

Edited March 1, 2019 by ottoDbusdriver

[mrspidey]

14 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

That's the weird thing -- has the Enterprise even visited Talos IV yet ?  We have no idea. 
Has General Order 7 been issued yet by Starfleet ?  Because you would think that Michael would be aware of such a thing.

If not Michael, then at least the shuttle's computer. It would've put up a big fat red warning message the moment she plotted the course, which leads me to believe Pike hasn't been there yet or at least GO7 doesn't yet exist.

Not sure about that probe from the future...

Metal tentacles, three big dots arranged in a triangle? I'm not saying it's Braniac, but it looks like Braniac...

Edited March 1, 2019 by mrspidey

[KimberStormer]

One more thing I forgot to mention.  This season has actually done a good job of not being The Adventures of Michael Burnham, the Axis Around Which the Universe Revolves, the way that last season was.  But I think they forgot to tell someone in the writer's room that because the scene with Georgiou and Leland makes no sense otherwise.  He got Michael's parents killed -- OK, wildly implausible but fine, that's TV for you.  Georgiou can threaten the leader of a black ops division explicitly there to not follow Federation law and protocol and norms with the idea that she will let Burnham know this irrelevant piece of information??  Why in God's name would Leland give a shit what Burnham knows or thinks of him?  She's a low-grade ex-con nobody in Starfleet.  He could kill her whenever he wanted in the name of "security", but even more he can just totally ignore her because she's completely irrelevant to him.

I also cannot believe that they had a six-episode Search for Spock that ended with.....he's on Vulcan.  With his mom, who was looking for him too, like two episodes ago.  Mindboggling decision by the creators.

Edited March 2, 2019 by KimberStormer

[UNOSEZ]

1 hour ago, KimberStormer said:

Why in God's name would Leland give a shit what Burnham knows or thinks of him?  She's a low-grade ex-con nobody in Starfleet.

For one.. She's a fellow officer if I was somehow responsible for the death  of a person I worked with I'd feel a kind of way.. Two she's the daughter of the Vulcan ambassador.. Three she helped end the Vulcan war and is very popular within the ranks of star fleet after some wrongly thought she started the war.. Four his second in command who's an emperor from another dimension and extremely dangerous looks at her like Her daughter... Five.. Ash Tyler is in love with her.. Six.. The Klingon Qrell is indebted to her for not blowing up the Klingon homeworld and giving her the means to start to pull the houses together again.. Seven Spock... She may be the key to actually understanding h and therefore understanding this red angel stuff... So yeah not some nobody.. More like a lynchpin.. And you don't take out or in this case really alienate a lynchpin unless it's extremely needed 

[MissLucas]

8 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

Why in God's name would Leland give a shit what Burnham knows or thinks of him?  She's a low-grade ex-con nobody in Starfleet.  

IIRC Burnham's parents were killed during a Klingon raid on Doctari Alpha and they were not the only victims. It sounded like a major incident. From what Georgiou said Leland was somehow involved - it's possible there was a cover-up but once the cat is out of the bag Leland would probably sacrificed by TPTB.  So even if he's not too concerned about Burnham (and as listed above there are reasons he should be) it's not in his interest that details about Doctari Alpha become public knowledge.

[KimberStormer]

7 hours ago, UNOSEZ said:

For one.. She's a fellow officer if I was somehow responsible for the death  of a person I worked with I'd feel a kind of way.. Two she's the daughter of the Vulcan ambassador.. Three she helped end the Vulcan war and is very popular within the ranks of star fleet after some wrongly thought she started the war.. Four his second in command who's an emperor from another dimension and extremely dangerous looks at her like Her daughter... Five.. Ash Tyler is in love with her.. Six.. The Klingon Qrell is indebted to her for not blowing up the Klingon homeworld and giving her the means to start to pull the houses together again.. Seven Spock... She may be the key to actually understanding h and therefore understanding this red angel stuff... So yeah not some nobody.. More like a lynchpin.. And you don't take out or in this case really alienate a lynchpin unless it's extremely needed 

I don't think any of these arguments hold water. 1. If he cared what people he worked with thought he wouldn't be Section 31.  2. Being the daughter of an ambassador is not really a big deal.  3. We don't know if she's popular or not because as far as one could tell from this show there's all of ten people in Starfleet -- we didn't even see the crew of the Enterprise for even a moment, on screen.  (Maybe they pay so much for FX that they are forced to cheap out on guest stars.) 4. The context specifically was that he was asserting his dominance over Georgiou, and she was countering with this, so it can't possibly be the case that Georgiou scares him and that's why he cares what Burnham thinks. 5. Ash Tyler works for Leland, not the other way around. 6. L'Rell seemed jealous of Michael to me, not indebted. Anyway she has given up her baby for the throne, I doubt she'd kick up a fuss about Burnham. 7. Leland was literally about to perform an electronic cerebrectomy on Spock so surely he can't care about that.

19 minutes ago, MissLucas said:

IIRC Burnham's parents were killed during a Klingon raid on Doctari Alpha and they were not the only victims. It sounded like a major incident.

This on the other hand makes perfect sense...except why would she say that about Burnham's parents and not "you're responsible for the Klingon attack on Doctari Alpha" etc? 

[MissLucas]

2 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

why would she say that about Burnham's parents and not "you're responsible for the Klingon attack on Doctari Alpha" etc? 

Because most viewers would go 'Dothraki who???' (I had to check back with Memory Alpha before posting). Of course they could have given Leland a career-threatening incident not tied to Burnham - but that would pack less of an emotional punch and since she's the main character (for better or worse) they decided to tie her to Leland. It also adds a bit of flavor to Giorgiou's involvement. Not only can she use her knowledge against Leland - sooner or later she's going to use it within the context of her relationship with Burnham.

(Btw. I agree that all plots revolving around Burnham can be problematic but I think the writers are aware and are trying to course-correct a bit.)

[Frozendiva]

I have been expecting the Talos IV telegraph for a while. Had suspected that the Red Angel had something to do with it - i.e. Captain Pike. and Spock and No. 1. Don't know how much of an illusion this storyline is. I think he had visited Talos IV before this but am not sure.

Burnham does not need her family connection or Spock. She can stand on her own as a character.

I suspected that the metallic crew member would get something from the time distortion thing. Maybe it will involve a time reset so this whole arc will be forgotten/exist in an alternate timeline.

Liked the Pike/Ash dynamic.

[UNOSEZ]

7 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe it will involve a time reset 

I was hoping for that when they came out of the mirror universe last year.. But maybe it'll happen after the events of this year.. And they'll be spit out in the future after all the shows... 

[Jodithgrace]

I've never seen this addressed, but I wonder..how in the world does a Human/Vulcan marriage work? If Vulcans only experience pon far (spelling?)  every seven years, wouldn't that be pretty unfair to a human wife? 

Young Spock is awfully cute, but doesn't look like he will grow up to be either Zachery Quinto or Leonard Nimoy. 

[Quarinteen]

Why did spocks mom ask michael if she wanted to be her son. Is michael actually a male?

[Charlemagne]

On 3/1/2019 at 7:20 PM, KimberStormer said:

I also cannot believe that they had a six-episode Search for Spock that ended with.....he's on Vulcan.  With his mom, who was looking for him too, like two episodes ago.  Mindboggling decision by the creators.

Amanda clearly found him and returned back to Vulcan with him. Only one person knew she was part of the hunt and that was Michael. No one else had cause to suspect. She had diplomatic immunity - which she clearly stated in this very episode - so it was a pretty logical thing for the creators to utilize.

Edited March 4, 2019 by Charlemagne

[Latverian Diplomat]

On 3/1/2019 at 6:46 AM, starri said:

"The Cage" happened two years before the Battle of the Binary Stars.

If they were going to namedrop Talos IV, why not also mention General Order 7 (the death penalty for going there) so that people don't have try to figure this out on their own. One more sentence was all it would take. And why wouldn't that be the first reaction Burnham has? Since the mission report is classified, she probably doesn't even know Spock has ever been there. Although who knows how the show will handle this aspect.

20 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

I've never seen this addressed, but I wonder..how in the world does a Human/Vulcan marriage work? If Vulcans only experience pon far (spelling?)  every seven years, wouldn't that be pretty unfair to a human wife? 

IIRC, Roddenberry's novelization of the first movie had a footnote where Kirk (?!) is quoted using the seven year thing to quash the idea that he and Spock ever had a sexual relationship.

We don't know if it's because of his human side or not, but Spock seemed very capable of sexual intimacy outside the seven year cycle. 

In "Journey to Babel" Amanda and Sarek had this little two fingered touch thing they would do that hinted at a type of intimacy, (possibly with a telepathic component?) that seemed subtly nonhuman and yet very appealing to a human at the same time, I think. That was one of those little, zero budget embellishments TOS was so good at. I haven't noticed whether Disco has retained that gesture of affection between Amanda and Sarek.

Nitpick department (Section 32? 🙂 )

I don't know how Vulcan dyslexia works, but human dyslexia is much more complex and difficult than just reverse strings of symbols front to back. AFAIK, It involves things like reversing individual symbols, reversing sub-sequences of letters in larger words, and other jumbling. It's a little convenient that the Spock "code" was so easy to crack.

The idea that coordinates of two groups of 3 digits is enough pin down a single solar system is a little silly. The galaxy is big, y'all, and also three dimensional. They also seem to be conflating course settings (relative coordinates) with absolute coordinates that a star chart would use. 

I did say they were nitpicks. 🙂 

[MissLucas]

I actually liked how Ninja Amanda turned in this whole plot and that she was the one finding Spock while apparently nobody really cared to consult with her. Stealing medical records from Starfleet, hiding Spock in a cave with ...uhm... telepathy-sheltering so that Sarek could not hone in on him: The lady got skills.

I also appreciate how they brought back Alice and how grumpy the 'book about chaos' makes Sarek. I just loved with how much disgust James Frain uttered that line. I got hooked on the show the moment Burnham started to quote from 'Alice in Wonderland' in the pilot - and sometimes I wonder if they manage to keep it relevant throughout the series. Burnham's Vulcan side is so strong that I enjoy the idea of her having a taste for absurd and fantastic tales.

[Latverian Diplomat]

2 hours ago, MissLucas said:

I also appreciate how they brought back Alice and how grumpy the 'book about chaos' makes Sarek. I just loved with how much disgust James Frain uttered that line. I got hooked on the show the moment Burnham started to quote from 'Alice in Wonderland' in the pilot - and sometimes I wonder if they manage to keep it relevant throughout the series. Burnham's Vulcan side is so strong that I enjoy the idea of her having a taste for absurd and fantastic tales.

Sarek's dislike of Alice is amusing because Alice comments on the use and abuse of logic in many ways. The author was a mathematician, and though his professional writing on logic is little used or remembered, Alice is noted by mathematical writers in that capacity.

[marinw]

So: In the future the Talos people fit out Pike with a cool mechanical exo suit so he can walk around, time travel and save people from catastrophic events. Or something. I feel weirdly protective of The Cage and wish the STD writers would stop messing with it.

A dyslexic Vulcan who is experiencing a psychotic episode is a fascinating idea, but I don’t want that Vulcan to be Spock. Spock was a great character becuase he was always struggling with his human side while identifying with the Vulcan ideal of logic. That was enough. You don’t need to retcon him.

Edited March 5, 2019 by marinw

[KimberStormer]

On ‎3‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 7:24 PM, Quarinteen said:

Why did spocks mom ask michael if she wanted to be her son. Is michael actually a male?

I think you misheard, she said "do you want to meet my son"!

[LilJen]

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 10:14 PM, ottoDbusdriver said:

And what was with the 3 red dots that appear to have infected Lt. Cdr. Airiam ?  

Yeah, I was all "DUDES, NOTICE HOW SPACED OUT SHE IS!!!! ROBOT GONE ROGUE ON THE BRIDGE!"

[Kromm]

On 3/3/2019 at 5:19 PM, Jodithgrace said:

I've never seen this addressed, but I wonder..how in the world does a Human/Vulcan marriage work? If Vulcans only experience pon far (spelling?)  every seven years, wouldn't that be pretty unfair to a human wife? 

ST:E made it clear that Vulcan females can have sex any time they want.  And I suppose the relevant parts of The Search For Spock could be interpreted that way too.  But the other way around?  We've seen Spock have romantic feelings outside of Pon Farr, but that could be explained easily by him being half human.

I dunno though. Maybe there's a Vulcan equivalent to Viagra,

But another explanation--again supported by Search for Spock--is that the physical aspect is totally separate from the mental bonding.  That's clearly a big part of what has to happen between Spock and Saavik in that film.  Remember, Saavik is very clear that usually Vulcans don't survive it if they ignore it, and frankly that sounds like a weird result if it's just an exchange of fluids. 

Maybe the physical part is always possible and the other mentions of Pon Farr are just mischaracterized by Vulcans... who aren't lying, but could very well be deliberately obscuring what it's about.

[Tyro49]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:07 PM, LilJen said:

Yeah, I was all "DUDES, NOTICE HOW SPACED OUT SHE IS!!!! ROBOT GONE ROGUE ON THE BRIDGE!"

She will have to have a conversation with Isaac from The Orville! 

[DavidJSnyder]

On 3/11/2019 at 10:45 PM, Kromm said:

But another explanation--again supported by Search for Spock--is that the physical aspect is totally separate from the mental bonding.  That's clearly a big part of what has to happen between Spock and Saavik in that film.  Remember, Saavik is very clear that usually Vulcans don't survive it if they ignore it, and frankly that sounds like a weird result if it's just an exchange of fluids. 

Though on Voyager Tuvok survived Pon Farr by having sex with a hologram of his wife.

[Affogato]

On 3/11/2019 at 10:45 PM, Kromm said:

 

But another explanation--again supported by Search for Spock--is that the physical aspect is totally separate from the mental bonding.  That's clearly a big part of what has to happen between Spock and Saavik in that film.  Remember, Saavik is very clear that usually Vulcans don't survive it if they ignore it, and frankly that sounds like a weird result if it's just an exchange of fluids. 

Maybe the physical part is always possible and the other mentions of Pon Farr are just mischaracterized by Vulcans... who aren't lying, but could very well be deliberately obscuring what it's about.

 

On 3/15/2019 at 4:06 PM, DavidJSnyder said:

Though on Voyager Tuvok survived Pon Farr by having sex with a hologram of his wife.

 Tuvok was  almost 300 years old, so  he must be pretty experienced at the whole thing, gone through it a bunch of times. He meditated and took medications as well. So the aspect of focusing on his wife while he essentially masturbated might have just been enough to get him over the hormonal rush. 

 

[John Potts]

Have the writers been watching their own show? "I haven't spoken to my mother and father in some time"? We've seen Michael do both this Season! I guess it's vague enough to cover that period, but don't a lot of people in Starfleet go months without speaking to their parents?

A temporal loop! A Space rift! A probe that upgrades itself! They really brought all the Trek classics here.

"As your liaison, you have to tell me..." No. He's Captain, he doesn't have to tell you shit (even if you weren't a Klingon). You may want him to and it might even be helpful if he did, but he's in charge.

Was anyone surprised when Pike's vision was not in fact him shooting Ash?

Michelle Yeah got to fight! Shame she had to take a dive, but I loved her little shrug at "missing" Michael with her phaser.

On 3/1/2019 at 3:14 AM, ottoDbusdriver said:

I was beginning to think the time rift was a crossover with the the movie 'The Matrix', because that upgraded probe sure seemed to behave like a squiddie.  Kind of looked like a squiddie too.

It reminded me of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, where (Spoilers for a 40 year old movie!)

Spoiler

The probe that attacks them turns out to be the Earth probe Voyager (Voyager 7, I think?) that encountered alien technology and got a massive power up.

 

On 3/2/2019 at 1:20 AM, KimberStormer said:

This season has actually done a good job of not being The Adventures of Michael Burnham, the Axis Around Which the Universe Revolves, the way that last season was.  But I think they forgot to tell someone in the writer's room that because the scene with Georgiou and Leland makes no sense otherwise.  He got Michael's parents killed -- OK, wildly implausible but fine, that's TV for you.  Georgiou can threaten the leader of a black ops division explicitly there to not follow Federation law and protocol and norms with the idea that she will let Burnham know this irrelevant piece of information??  Why in God's name would Leland give a shit what Burnham knows or thinks of him?

From the way they've been portrayed, you'd expect their general attitude to be, "That's all? Come back when you've destroyed a planet, then we'll pretend to care!"

On 3/3/2019 at 10:19 PM, Jodithgrace said:

how in the world does a Human/Vulcan marriage work? If Vulcans only experience pon far (spelling?)  every seven years, wouldn't that be pretty unfair to a human wife?

Not to go all "Rule 34" here, but I'm pretty sure Vulcans can mate any time, it's just that they have to mate (or fight) during pon farr. How satisfactory that might be for Amanda given Sarek would presumably just "going through the motions" is another matter, but (as another Captain put it) "technology - it's a wonderful thing"

On 3/4/2019 at 7:22 PM, Latverian Diplomat said:

The idea that coordinates of two groups of 3 digits is enough pin down a single solar system is a little silly. The galaxy is big, y'all, and also three dimensional. They also seem to be conflating course settings (relative coordinates) with absolute coordinates that a star chart would use. 

About the only time Star Trek has actually got right the idea about how big their databases must (and so how many results you'd get from any search) was in Star Trek: Generations, when Picard asks what the effect of destroying a star would be - and the computer rattles off about ten effects. Obviously, Picard is able to identify the correct one almost immediately (which I'm fine with) but they should have done the same here.

[Idiotboy]

On 3/1/2019 at 8:20 PM, KimberStormer said:

I also cannot believe that they had a six-episode Search for Spock that ended with.....he's on Vulcan.  With his mom, who was looking for him too, like two episodes ago.  Mindboggling decision by the creators.

Do not look too closely for logic in S2. It will only make your brain hurt. I keep hoping that during Star Trek: Where's Spock? an actual episode of Discovery will break through. But I'm not getting my hopes to high. That being said, I prefer the clear-headed Pike to TOS Kirk. Anson Mount just might get me to watch Strange New Worlds. As for STD, I live for Michelle Yeoh's insanely entertaining presence. The writes are clearly having fun writing Evil!Georgiou.

Agree with what was said upthread about Burnham standing on her own as a character. Which she did in S1. (Ahem, show runners!) Making her a plot device for all this Where's Waldo s**t about Spock weakens her.

Edited August 9, 2020 by Idiotboy