S05.E12: We Know Everything

[Bort]

Nate and Annalise both need to keep Gabriel close to ensure their secrets stay hidden.

Airdate: Thursday, February 7, 2019

[possibilities]

Do they really not have to tell you what you're charged with at any time before you actually go to court?

And why is this show acting like the prosecution doesn't have to disclose what the evidence is? Isn't that a rule? The defense gets to see the evidence in order to prepare for trial.

Frank's defense of murdering was something else.

I don't really understand what they were afraid Gabriel was going to reveal that would get them all in trouble. He doesn't know anything, does he? Maybe I'm forgetting something.

I love Tegan and I am kind of okay with Emmett. I wish this show wasn't so relentlessly tragic, because I would enjoy seeing these people being happy and kicking ass together without all the murder and corruption and heartbreak.

[renatae]

I felt the same way about him not having a clue to what they were charging him with. How is your lawyer supposed to help you? That just sounds ridiculous. Also, yes, the prosecution does have to share evidence. That was all sorts of messed up.

[Joimiaroxeu]

"Do nothing until you hear from me." Random Duke Ellington reference.

Oh so now we're supposed to feel sorry for Gabriel because he's been set up big time by the feds? Nah, I still think he's helping someone take down Annalise by working her motherly instincts.

Looks like Nate has developed a gut. Nooooooo!

Gabriel knew all his passwords and could write them down? Sure. He was asking to get hacked if they're that easy to remember.

Okay, I think Vivian Maddox is in on whatever Gabriel's up to and either he was able to give her a coded warning over the phone, or she hung up on him and he kept talking anyway.

Sociopathic big brain. Michaela owns it.

Hope none of Nate's DNA is still on that body. Bonnie's either.

Connor's mommy for the lose.

[Lady Calypso]

14 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Oh so now we're supposed to feel sorry for Gabriel because he's been set up big time by the feds? Nah, I still think he's helping someone take down Annalise by working her motherly instincts.

I mean...it's clear that Gabriel is still withholding information, right? His interactions with Miller can't be what he says they were.

Man, oh man, are they really going down the route of Miller playing Bonnie and that justifies his murder? 

I'm cool if the FBI lady takes down the whole lot. Annalise should be let off easier than the rest since she never killed anyone (although, to be clear, she is 100% complicit since she knew about everything and helped cover it up). That would be a nice end to the series. These people really shouldn't get away with murder. I feel like I'm finally at that point, which is surprising. 

So, they really are going with Michaela/Gabriel. Allllllllrighty, then. 

No surprise their plan to get away with murder gets foiled by Connor's mother. Honestly, just let Nate take the fall since I really don't give two shits about him. 

[Neurochick]

I’m having a problem with this season.  Maybe it’s because I feel the show should have ended last season.  I loved the way the finale ended last season.

[darkestboy]

I've got to admit, I'm getting a little bored with this Miller stuff now. Great, his body has been found and the scenes with Bonnie and his mother were nice, but eh, I find myself caring less and less about this.

Gabriel's storyline this week was also a bit boring as well. I can't see him being kept on next season.

Bit careless that Instagram photo though.

Both Tegan and Emmett seem to be into Annalise but will that actually go anywhere positive? 7/10

[rur]

19 minutes ago, darkestboy said:

Bit careless that Instagram photo though.

When everyone was so relieved that their one set of pictures was "clean", I started wondering why not a single blessed one of them even raised the idea that someone else might have (gasp) taken a picture at a wedding.

[Free]

8 hours ago, possibilities said:

Do they really not have to tell you what you're charged with at any time before you actually go to court?

7 hours ago, renatae said:

I felt the same way about him not having a clue to what they were charging him with. How is your lawyer supposed to help you? That just sounds ridiculous. Also, yes, the prosecution does have to share evidence. That was all sorts of messed up.

Yeah, it was ridiculous.

1 hour ago, rur said:

When everyone was so relieved that their one set of pictures was "clean", I started wondering why not a single blessed one of them even raised the idea that someone else might have (gasp) taken a picture at a wedding.

Exactly, it's a wedding where there would be tons of pics everywhere.

1 hour ago, darkestboy said:

Gabriel's storyline this week was also a bit boring as well. I can't see him being kept on next season.

Yeah, there's not much they can do with him past this season.

[helenamonster]

Connor's mom posting a picture of her and Asher is such a contrived way to manufacture drama that I laughed out loud. Why would she post a picture of the two of them together when Connor had seen them getting busy? Wouldn't she think that would piss him off? Was she drunk Instagramming? And even though she doesn't know the dangers of posting a picture that show Nate and Miller together, why would she post a picture that heavily features two men clearly having an argument in the background?

If something happens to Tegan because of that email Annalise and the kiddos sent I will be so mad. Once again, you've got Michaela claiming to literally love her (seriously, show, what is going on there? are they going to the bone zone or nah?) before once again putting her career and life in danger. Leave this poor woman alone!

And then Annalise all "eMmEtT's WaTcHiNg YoU" like no, the message was clearly suspicious and came from a disposable email. You cannot expect privacy on any kind of work account, especially at a law firm like Caplan and Gold that represents high profile clients and has recently had a massive security breach. And while doing the stupid dangerous thing is par for the course for Oliver these days, I'd think Annalise, who can be Machiavellian, would have thought it was a step too far. How are Connor, Laurel, and Asher the ones who thought it was a bad idea?

Agent Anna Draper with her big white board connecting all the characters and plot points together is such a mood.

[possibilities]

5 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Okay, I think Vivian Maddox is in on whatever Gabriel's up to and either he was able to give her a coded warning over the phone, or she hung up on him and he kept talking anyway.

I agree it was insane of them not to have him put that conversation on speaker. They have no reason to be trusting.

[NUguy514]

Gabriel?  Do. not. care.  Throw him in jail, throw him off a tall building, just get rid of his uninteresting but very beautiful ass.

I'm done with Nate, too.  So boring when clothed, and I'm still not convinced Miller did anything wrong.

Michaela, if you get Tegan killed with your unbelievably stupid fake email (honestly, the logic behind that makes absolutely no fucking sense AT ALL), I will climb through the television into your fake world and kill you myself.

[SimoneS]

I practically cheered when Annalise told them, "I’m not the one killing people around here i just clean up the messes.” I know that she won't take the immunity deal, but I wish she would. Her life would improve immediately. My perfect fantasy ending for the show next season  is a montage with Annalise at her office with Tegan and Emmett and then her new classroom with Gabriel among the students, interspersed with scenes of Frank, Bonnie, Connor, Michaela, Asher, Laurel, and Nate in prison cells (I exclude Ollie alone) and final scene with Annalise coming home, taking Christopher into her arms from his nanny or maybe Eve. 

[Lady Calypso]

5 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I practically cheered when Annalise told them, "I’m not the one killing people around here i just clean up the messes.” I know that she won't take the immunity deal, but I wish she would. Her life would improve immediately. My perfect fantasy ending for the show next season  is a montage with Annalise at her office with Tegan and Emmett and then her new classroom with Gabriel among the students, interspersed with scenes of Frank, Bonnie, Connor, Michaela, Asher, Laurel, and Nate in prison cells (I exclude Ollie alone) and final scene with Annalise coming home, taking Christopher into her arms from his nanny or maybe Eve. 

That would be nice, but I suspect Annalise would be arrested if she doesn't make some sort of immunity deal. She may not have murdered anyone, but she's known about almost all of the murders, which makes her complicit still. However, she'd be punished the least out of all of them, which is more than fair. 

[SimoneS]

15 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

That would be nice, but I suspect Annalise would be arrested if she doesn't make some sort of immunity deal. She may not have murdered anyone, but she's known about almost all of the murders, which makes her complicit still. However, she'd be punished the least out of all of them, which is more than fair. 

In my scenario, Annalise takes the deal gets full immunity of her role in the covering up the crimes and then rats the rest of the murderous crew out. The ones who just helped cover the murders and didn't actually kill someone would get less time than the actual murderers and violent perpetrators like Bonnie, Frank, Asher, and Nate. Honestly, I lost track of how many people they have murdered. I exclude Sam since he was killed in self-defense.

Edited February 9, 2019 by SimoneS

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, SimoneS said:

In my scenario, Annalise takes the deal gets full immunity of her role in the covering up the crimes and then rats the rest of the murderous crew out. The ones who just helped cover the murders and didn't actually kill someone would get less time than the actual murderers and violent perpetrators like Bonnie, Frank, Asher, and Nate. Honestly, I lost track of how many people they have been murdered. I exclude Sam since he was killed in self-defense.

Hmm...now I want to actually think about this. If we don't count Sam, then:

Well, Frank murdered Lila and he killed Annalise's unborn kid. 

Bonnie killed Rebecca and helped kill Miller.

Asher killed Sinclair.

Nate basically killed Miller.

Other supporting characters, like Laurel's father, killed other supporting characters as well as Wes. 

So Michaela, Annalise, Laurel (though her role in her mother's disappearance is iffy on this), Connor, and Oliver would get off lighter than the others. I think....if I remember everything correctly. 

[Elinor Carlisle]

I love this show but season 5 has started to getting on my nerves.

Miller's death was quite unnecessary and it gets a little boring. 

Also, not knowing what you're charged with before going to the court? Seriously? 

There are only 3 episodes left, I am not very hopeful about the season finale. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by Elinor Carlisle

[secnarf]

I did think it was interesting that the FBI's operation is called 'operation bonfire' - as it was bonfire night that really started all of this, at least for the K5.

[Annber03]

12 hours ago, helenamonster said:

If something happens to Tegan because of that email Annalise and the kiddos sent I will be so mad. Once again, you've got Michaela claiming to literally love her (seriously, show, what is going on there? are they going to the bone zone or nah?) before once again putting her career and life in danger. Leave this poor woman alone!

My thoughts exactly. As I said in the discussion thread for this episode over at SpoilerTV, if Tegan dies, we riot.

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Agent Anna Draper with her big white board connecting all the characters and plot points together is such a mood.

I couldn't help thinking of "Trial & Error" at that moment and was mentally chanting, "Mur-der board! Mur-der board!" :D. 

Connor's mom is the worst.

[renatae]

16 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Man, oh man, are they really going down the route of Miller playing Bonnie and that justifies his murder?  

No, IMO they're still going down the route Miller set up Nate's dad's murder, even though he's looking more innocent. Nate's still convinced he did, even though Bonnie thinks otherwise.

[Milaxx]

I think both Miller and Gabriel are pawns in a bigger plan by the FBI.  I think Denver predisposed Miller to dislike AK, but I don’t think he was aware that a Denver was dirty. I also think the governor and/or whoever Miller’s friend in the governor’s office is used him to set up Senior’s murder.  

Sam thing with Gabriel. Eve mentioned that Gabriel had gotten into some trouble being an activist. I think the FBI used that and his curiously about his dad to get him to dig up info on AK. 

[SimoneS]

I don't think that Gabriel is "up to anything" other than what he has admitted to which was trying to find out the real circumstances about his father's death. And they should be scared that he does find out because then, they would be in real trouble. However, this general paranoia about Gabriel working with the feds, etc. is exactly like their paranoia about Rebecca which caused that situation spiral out of control leading to her murder. The reason for their paranoia is that they are all with the exception of Annalise and Oliver, horrible people.

[Duckie30ca]

On 2/9/2019 at 2:35 AM, possibilities said:

And why is this show acting like the prosecution doesn't have to disclose what the evidence is? Isn't that a rule? The defense gets to see the evidence in order to prepare for trial.

Dear Shonda:

Anyone who has ever seen “My Cousin Vinny” knows IT’S CALLED DISCLOSURE!

Warmest Regards,

Anyone who has ever seen “My Cousin Vinny”. 

[TiredMe]

The posting of the photo from Conor’s mom was completely ridiculous. Come on! She knows her son caught her with Asher but she posts a pre coital (sort of) photo of the two of them. I refuse to believe she’s that clueless. 

[tennisgurl]

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I couldn't help thinking of "Trial & Error" at that moment and was mentally chanting, "Mur-der board! Mur-der board!" :D. 

I did the exact same thing! Murder Board! Murder Board! But for real, it was kinda of cool seeing the whole show laid out like that, going all the way back to bonfire night and everything that led up to that. This show is complicated, I am right there with you on trying to keep up with who killed who, FBI lady!

We do seem to be getting closer and closer to some kind of ending, with the cops seemingly circling Annalise and her squad, and all the calls backs to season one. I do kind of have mixed feelings. I half want them to get caught, as it basically seems inevitable at this point that SOMEONE goes to jail and it sticks, and half want everyone to get away forever and get happy endings. Especially poor Annalise. 

So its pretty obvious now that Emmett and Tegan have crushes on Annalise. Not sure what that all is going, but it amuses me, especially as I love Tegan, and Emmett has grown on me, and its an interesting dynamic between the three of them. 

Connors mom is an idiot. Its bad enough that she was messing around with one of her sons best friends on his wedding night, but she posted about it on Instagram! Even if she wasn't accidentally getting them dragged into yet another murder cover up, thats really bad form on her part. 

I kind of still want it to turn out that Miller was innocent and Nate killed an innocent person. Like after a whole show of the crew killing mostly bad people, they realize that they finally screwed up with their murders and cover ups and killed an innocent person. 

[Annber03]

31 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I did the exact same thing! Murder Board! Murder Board! But for real, it was kinda of cool seeing the whole show laid out like that, going all the way back to bonfire night and everything that led up to that. This show is complicated, I am right there with you on trying to keep up with who killed who, FBI lady!

My mom's gotten into this show in recent seasons (she'd catch the occasional episode as I was watching, and eventually got to the point where she'd sit with me and start following along), and we keep talking about setting aside some time to watch the series from the beginning so that she can properly see how it all got started and whatnot. But I also joke that it would be a good idea for me to do a rewatch simply because I could use a refresher on all this stuff myself :p. 

Agreed on the rest of your post as well, especially these two parts:

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So its pretty obvious now that Emmett and Tegan have crushes on Annalise. Not sure what that all is going, but it amuses me, especially as I love Tegan, and Emmett has grown on me, and its an interesting dynamic between the three of them. 

I kind of still want it to turn out that Miller was innocent and Nate killed an innocent person. Like after a whole show of the crew killing mostly bad people, they realize that they finally screwed up with their murders and cover ups and killed an innocent person. 

I also want Miller to be innocent because it'd be nice to think that Bonnie did finally manage to have a genuinely decent guy in her life for once, brief though it was. 

[possibilities]

13 hours ago, TiredMe said:

The posting of the photo from Conor’s mom was completely ridiculous. Come on! She knows her son caught her with Asher but she posts a pre coital (sort of) photo of the two of them. I refuse to believe she’s that clueless. 

If she's clueless enough to hook up with him in the parking lot, she's clueless enough to post a photo. I think they're implying she's either got a substance abuse problem or is otherwise just that unbalanced, and has always been... problematic. Connor was nervous about her before this incident, and it seemed like he knew she was the sort to make a scene.

Of course, Asher is not blameless, either. Everyone on this show is more or less very short on impulse control and common sense and general decency.

[blackwing]

Can't stand Gabriel or anything about him.  Don't really care what happens to him, I just want him off the show.  Boring and uninteresting and irritating.  I hope something happens so he doesn't come back next season.

Because I am dense this morning... did the show actually reveal who Frank called last season when he said "her kid's here".  It was Eve, right?  Eve knew all along about Gabriel, as did Frank and Sam?  If they showed a scene, I think I missed it.

On 2/9/2019 at 11:11 AM, helenamonster said:

Connor's mom posting a picture of her and Asher is such a contrived way to manufacture drama that I laughed out loud. Why would she post a picture of the two of them together when Connor had seen them getting busy? Wouldn't she think that would piss him off? Was she drunk Instagramming? And even though she doesn't know the dangers of posting a picture that show Nate and Miller together, why would she post a picture that heavily features two men clearly having an argument in the background?

Truly ridiculous.  In the first place, she doesn't seem to be the type that uses Instagram... I thought generally users skew younger.  She's in her mid 50s at least.  She knows that Connor doesn't approve of having "caught" them and she's had no apparent contact with Asher or Connor since the wedding and instead of just texting the photo to Asher she puts it up on Instagram for everyone to see.  And yes, there are two men in the background that are clearly yelling at each other, wouldn't she have noticed that?

On 2/9/2019 at 2:37 PM, Lady Calypso said:

Hmm...now I want to actually think about this. If we don't count Sam, then:

Well, Frank murdered Lila and he killed Annalise's unborn kid. 

Bonnie killed Rebecca and helped kill Miller.

Asher killed Sinclair.

Nate basically killed Miller.

Other supporting characters, like Laurel's father, killed other supporting characters as well as Wes. 

So Michaela, Annalise, Laurel (though her role in her mother's disappearance is iffy on this), Connor, and Oliver would get off lighter than the others. I think....if I remember everything correctly. 

Frank also murdered Bonnie's dad (he dressed as a janitor at the nursing home and smothered him with a pillow), Jorge Castillo's thug, and Wallace Mahoney.

Michaela, Laurel and Oliver aren't entirely innocent... there was that whole accidental shooting of Simon.  I know he shot himself, but Laurel was the one that brought an illegal gun to a party and Michaela was the one fighting with him over it.  Oliver helped lie and cover it up.  There's definitely some criminal action there.  I know Simon survived and Michaela had him deported.  I would assume that this plot point is done, but you never know if/when Simon would finally remember what happened and alert someone about it.  I think Annalise is the only one who really hasn't been directly involved in any murders.

[Milaxx]

On 2/10/2019 at 9:52 AM, SimoneS said:

I don't think that Gabriel is "up to anything" other than what he has admitted to which was trying to find out the real circumstances about his father's death. And they should be scared that he does find out because then, they would be in real trouble. However, this general paranoia about Gabriel working with the feds, etc. is exactly like their paranoia about Rebecca which caused that situation spiral out of control leading to her murder. The reason for their paranoia is that they are all with the exception of Annalise and Oliver, horrible people.

Gabriel lied about his true ID, was some sort of mole for Miller and had a fake ID. Rebecca didn’t deserve to die, but she wasn’t innocent either. She purposely OD’d her neighbor because he saw her when she came home dripping wet from being in the water tower. Likewise I think Gabriel is for whatever reason using the gang to get info on AK. The bonus for him is he gets to learn about his dad. That doesn’t make him murderer bad, but he’s far from innocent.

On 2/10/2019 at 1:09 PM, TiredMe said:

The posting of the photo from Conor’s mom was completely ridiculous. Come on! She knows her son caught her with Asher but she posts a pre coital (sort of) photo of the two of them. I refuse to believe she’s that clueless. 

She’s proven time and again to be that clueless. She imagines herself the cool mom. She agreed to go along with Joanna looking at other wedding venues knowing Joanna had 10k to put to the pot & she didn’t. She thought it appropriate to flirt with her don’s friends AND go to his bachelor party. Posting that IG picture is exactly the sort of nonsense she would do.

[Milaxx]

1 hour ago, blackwing said:

In the first place, she doesn't seem to be the type that uses Instagram... I thought generally users skew younger.  She's in her mid 50s at least.  

I’m in my mid 50’s & use aiG regularly. Last time I surveyed social media, young folks are using Snapchat & til tok. 

[SimoneS]

8 minutes ago, Milaxx said:

Gabriel lied about his true ID, was some sort of mole for Miller and had a fake ID. Rebecca didn’t deserve to die, but she wasn’t innocent either. She purposely OD’d her neighbor because he saw her when she came home dripping wet from being in the water tower. Likewise I think Gabriel is for whatever reason using the gang to get info on AK. The bonus for him is he gets to learn about his dad. That doesn’t make him murderer bad, but he’s far from innocent.

This type of paranoia is exactly what has led to all these unnecessary murders. Someone not being completely honest or innocent doesn't mean that they are your enemy and that you should go to war with them or that you have the right to kill them. Look at Tegan. Sending her the email was completely unnecessary, but their paranoia took them in that direction. Now Emmett is suspicious and eventually maybe Tegan figures out it was them. Next thing, you know one of them is killing one or both them. I just want to shake Annalise and get her away from these people.

Edited February 11, 2019 by SimoneS

[Milaxx]

2 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

This type of paranoia is exactly what has led to all these unnecessary murders. Someone not being completely honest doesn't mean that they are your enemy and you should go to war with them or that you have the right to kill them. 

Not sure if you are talking about Gabriel or Rebecca here, but in regards to Gabriel a completely innocent person doesn’t steal your housekeys and then follow you home to asked about his dead dad.

[SimoneS]

1 hour ago, Milaxx said:

Not sure if you are talking about Gabriel or Rebecca here, but in regards to Gabriel a completely innocent person doesn’t steal your housekeys and then follow you home to asked about his dead dad.

I never claimed Gabriel was "completely innocent." I said that I don't think that he is up to anything than what he said, which is that he wants to find out what really happened to his father. No one on this show is "completely innocent," but whether is it is Rebecca, Gabriel, Tegan, Emmett, or Miller or that doesn't mean that they should be attacked, destroyed or killed so that this group of sociopaths can protect themselves. So much of what has happened could have been avoided if they were so paranoid and violent.

Edited February 11, 2019 by SimoneS

[Lady Calypso]

I think that every single person on this show is far from being innocent. I think every person has made a bad choice on this show, or several bad choices. Even someone like Annalise isn't close to being innocent. Did she kill anyone or was a witness to a murder? No. But did she help cover up the murders once she found out? Yes. She told Wes how to cover up Sam's death. She helped cover up Asher's murder of Sinclair. Annalise has had a lot of shitty things happen in her life, but she's had her hand in some of the things that have happened. Again, she's less guilty than most of the others, but she's done her fair share of bad things. 

But this show has never been about the innocent vs the guilty. It's always been a show dealing with morality and what lengths people go to to cover their own asses. We have been listening to the main characters worrying about going to jail and how to avoid it...despite the fact that they SHOULD be going to jail for either murder or being an accessory to a murder...or covering up a murder!

[Milaxx]

Yes AK and co are completely amoral but no way do I buy Gabriel’s sole purpose in coming is to find out about his dad.  On a scale of 1-10 I’d probably rank both him and Miller a 2 or 3 versus the K5’s 8 & 9. My guess is they are both being used by the FBI as pawns. 

[Neurochick]

3 hours ago, blackwing said:

Truly ridiculous.  In the first place, she doesn't seem to be the type that uses Instagram... I thought generally users skew younger.  She's in her mid 50s at least.  She knows that Connor doesn't approve of having "caught" them and she's had no apparent contact with Asher or Connor since the wedding and instead of just texting the photo to Asher she puts it up on Instagram for everyone to see.  And yes, there are two men in the background that are clearly yelling at each other, wouldn't she have noticed that?

Huh?  Even I use Instagram and I'm almost 60.   

[Catgyrl]

On 2/10/2019 at 10:19 AM, Duckie30ca said:

Dear Shonda:

Anyone who has ever seen “My Cousin Vinny” knows IT’S CALLED DISCLOSURE!

Warmest Regards,

Anyone who has ever seen “My Cousin Vinny”. 

LOL! Or, to quote Mona Lisa Vito: "It's called DISCLOSURE, you dickhead!"

[possibilities]

11 hours ago, Milaxx said:

She purposely OD’d her neighbor because he saw her when she came home dripping wet from being in the water tower.

Oh damn. I forgot about that. That was horrible. That poor kid was so freaked out and he was genuinely an innocent bystander. Terrible.

This show has always been about getting away with murder. I never thought there was any pretense that the people doing it were awesome. It was more about how it comes to be, and how it affects them, and just looking at how the pieces fit together.

In the beginning, I thought it was brilliant in showing how corrupt the system is. They would have Annalise working on cases where she would use illegal methods (like hacking) to exonerate her clients whether they were guilty or innocent. And you kind of saw her point because the system was also shown to be so rigged that there was no other way to help some people who were honestly deserving.

But over time, I think it's become more and more normalized. Connor was totally flipped out about the first murder. Now he's kind of taking it in stride. Bonnie cried about Miller, an she got depressed. But she snapped out of it pretty quickly. It's like everyone is totally adapted to this new way of life, where the only thing that matters is getting away with it.

It's highly disturbing, really.

They're not even that damaged by it, other than if you look at it from a moral point of view. They're not having nightmares. They're a bit stressed, but no more than people with high pressure jobs or those who struggle with 3 kids on 5 part time paychecks. I mean... it's more or less become totally normal to them.

This week, when I saw the FBI agent's whole web-of-crime board, I kind of gasped because I realized she might actually NOT be corrupt. She might actually just be trying to figure out the truth. And hey-- we haven't see that, not once, since the series began. Damn.

[colorbars]

I get why others would find this season slow, but I'm enjoying it more than last season. I thought the Laurel family drama stuff was awful and, even as someone that really liked Wes, I didn't care about the outcome of it at all. Whereas here, I think the outcome will at least be a big deal, even if it's slow getting there.

Yeah, Sam is long dead and I never cared about him, but I think it's a good way to bring the show full circle if next season is the last one.

I just wish the K5 was more involved in what's going on, and Nate was... less. And Gabriel, too. I don't dislike Nate, but he's boring and Gabriel is not someone I, or most people, are invested in and they've done nothing to change that.

[Milaxx]

This is my favorite season so far. I don’t mind the flashbacks because they show how these people came to be who they are. I mean would Bonnie be so loyal to Annalise if she hadn’t reached out to her after that trial? 

[Destiny74]

On 2/9/2019 at 10:50 PM, Annber03 said:

I couldn't help thinking of "Trial & Error" at that moment and was mentally chanting, "Mur-der board! Mur-der board!" :D. 

I don't even know you and I love you for this post...LOVE YOU!

[juliet73]

What bothers me about Connor's mom's pic on IG is it is so unrealistic. Obviously, there is some suspension of disbelief with this show, but this particular detail is just lazy writing, IMO. Yes, I believe C's mom would post it on social media just to "brag" about hooking up with a college kid. However, that picture would have been edited to show just her and Asher. Anyone or anything else that would have taken the attention off of her would have been cropped out before being posted.

I'm over Gabriel and Nate. I like when the show intertwines a case of the week along with Annalise and the K5. This season seems to lack that. The eps either revolve around Miller, Gabriel, Nate or all of the above. 

Edited February 15, 2019 by juliet73

[Milaxx]

HTGAWM isn’t a procedural and has never had an entire season with just case of the week episodes. The first half of the season did have several case of the week episodes as AK tried her class action cases ( the gay Muslim on trial for murdering her wife & Nate Sr.) and they worked on cases for the firm (gut busters, the fast food lady, rich guy who for killing his business partner). Second had Emmett’s case.