Glee - General Discussion

[Scarlett45]

8 hours ago, aradia22 said:

Re-posting that part of Amber's comments here because I think it's important and it echoes what has been said. Picking on perceived subordinates is never okay but the culture fosters a hierarchy and as much as there are thousands of blond ingenues waiting in the wings, we know who gets treated as the most expendable. I've lost track of the number of black actresses who have spoken about how they are treated as interchangeable during casting even when they look nothing alike, have completely different personas and skill sets, etc. 

Yes. And I’m sure Amber knew despite her talent there are only so many roles for her in Hollywood and if she dared said ANYTHING she would be the “angry black bitch” and never work again.
 

Bullies pick on those lower on the social hierarchy who cannot fight back or people they can get a rise out of. 
 

And so often black people don’t say anything unless we feel our life/safety is in danger because we value our livelihood and have been socially conditioned since we were little children to expect ill treatment.  Not that we think it’s okay, but we KNOW mean behavior will be directed at us because we are the low group on the totem pole (especially true for black women in performing arts). 

[Hiyo]

I am somewhat curious though to know what Lea may have done to Heather, or if Lea's bad behavior was just something she witnessed. 

From the Daily Mail:

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Former Glee producer Marti Noxon chimed in on Wednesday, saying there were many other actors who were just as bad.  

'Re: @LeaMichele. Hey, I'm all for calling out bad behavior and even for some schadenfreude when that behavior is punished.'

'That said, on GLEE there were LOTS of bad actors. Who were NOT women. People in the industry know who I’m talking about. Why aren’t we calling them out?'

The more that comes out, the more it seems this was a really rough work environment...Ryan Murphy did allude during the Lea/Naya story that there was some beefs between some of the male co-stars as well.

[truthaboutluv]

I hope people responded to Noxon with an, "so why don't you call them out"? The actress who initially responded to Lea clearly is speaking to her particular experience and for her Lea was the problem. 

If Noxon who worked on the show and saw it all feels there's a bias of women being called out for bad behavior versus men, then by all means, please do the honors. Because saying nothing, which is in fairness is what both Heather and Amber addressed is being complicit in letting bad behavior continue. 

Unless Noxon is willing to do that, sorry, not sorry, that tweet just sounds like an attempted defense of Lea in a "well others were assholes too". 

[aradia22]

@truthaboutluv Agreed. Noxon is a relatively powerful TV producer as far as female producers go. I'd put her just below Shonda Rhimes and Jenji Kohan. She's not in the top tier but she's not a nobody. She can afford to be brave and speak up instead of making vague accusations. 

[Hiyo]

She could have also stepped in.

Some of this anger needs to also be directed to the people running the shows as well, who seemed to let these thing happen repeatedly. Yes, hold the actors to account, but also the people in charge as well.

For all TV shows, not just this one.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Hiyo

[theschnauzers]

One thing to remember. That cast was putting in an insane amount of hours daily for weeks at a time during filming. I can imagine slights being magnified in some instances. But be that as it may, Lea’s diva-ness was well known even at the time the show was airing. Which is where, I think, Corey’s death was a factor. From everything I’ve seen over the past decade, there were only two actors who could have mellowed Lea out day to day. Jonathan Groff who wasn’t around on set being a recurring character but who has known Lea long before Glee, and Corey Monteith, who was there, and from all accounts really was the leader who everyone listened to. Without that presence, I can see how the cast members who came in the last two seasons, including Samantha, might have had a more difficult time with Lea.

 

[853fisher]

Well, we can all go home now, we have an unequivocal defense of Lea from...the traditionally hot white man who played her boyfriend for a little while.  He thinks Lea was just peachy to work with!  Hmmmmmm.

[aradia22]

@853fisher At first I thought... that's a weird way to describe Jonathan Groff. And then I clicked the link. THAT guy? I only remember him because I saw that number before I started listening to Marina. 

He seems like her physical type so I'm not surprised that she was nice to him even if he was a newcomer to the show and not part of the main cast.

[incandescent]

Dean Geyer is the idiot who commented on a Finchel shipper's selfie that she looked like a "tranny" and when called out on it defended himself that A) gleeks were being mean to him first B) "tranny" is not really a slur anyway, so he can jump right back into the trashcan of irrelevance and make some room for Lea while he's in there.

[mtlchick]

Mr Figgins says Lea was cool.  But I would hope people respected their elders anyway. 

 

https://people.com/tv/glee-iqbal-theba-defends-lea-michele-against-racist-accusations-i-was-never-mistreated-by-her/?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

[coconspirator]

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 1:25 PM, Snow Apple said:

And now HelloFresh has reportedly cut ties with her.

eta that I don't think Lea is racist like the media is trying to spin this. I hope not anyway. I think she's just a "mean girl" when it comes to people she doesn't like or are threatened by or have nothing to offer her.

^^ I bolded the above for emphasis as I think that is almost 100% of the reason for her attitude towards others. I've noticed that many of the people with "Lea stories" are less famous or actors with smaller roles. I'm sure the caterers and other crew members have similar experiences.  The Naya and Dianna issues might have to do with them standing up to her for her treatment of others.

[caracas1914]

Yikes, per Lea the hits just keep on coming....

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Model-Plastic-Martyr-Speaks-Out-About-Transphobic-Comments-From-Lea-Michele-20200605

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/cory-monteith-comforted-actress-after-lea-michele-was-allegedly-mean/

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by caracas1914

[Snow Apple]

If all these stories are true, and I have no reason to believe they are not, she really knows how to go for the jugular, doesn't she? The number one tactic of a bully is seeking out weak spots. Racist comments to the black actress, comments about looks when a person is most vulnerable, telling understudies they don't belong and are not good enough, etc. 

[Hiyo]

I don't expect her to, but I would be so curious to hear what Dianna Agron would say, though I'm guessing it would be similar to what we heard from Amber and Heather.

 

[Florinaldo]

On 6/3/2020 at 1:10 PM, Lady Calypso said:

For me, it sounds like her apology is a crafted one from her PR team

It would be standard procedure to have her PR/legal team at least look this over if not draft it, if only to make sure she hit all of the repentance buttons that are expected and required these days, as well as to avoid opening herself up to possible legal exposure.

On 6/3/2020 at 10:05 PM, ChaChaSlide said:

Being a diva and being racist aren’t exclusive, I really don’t get the confusion tbh.

There's no confusion; you can very well be one without being the other, or be both more or less equally.

On 6/4/2020 at 10:14 AM, mtlchick said:

Short version is: she doesn't believe Lea is racist and people need to stop dragging on her while she's pregnant.  She also hasn't talked to her in two years until this week.

AR’s statement is enlightening, well balanced and wisely worded, with none of the faddish teminology that verges on the psychobabble. Good for her that she chose for herself to make sure her view was well articulated since previous tweets of hers were subjected to self-serving interpretations.

Not that I believe that she or any of the other Glee cast and crew are under any obligation to make any pronouncements on the situation. Freedom of expression also means being able to choose not to say anything, especially if you were not directly involved.

She appears to have given her whole perspective on the issue and would probably prefer to leave it at that (if people allow her to do it).

On 6/4/2020 at 10:14 AM, mtlchick said:

But like other Gleek actors, it wasn't the most fun set to be on.

As any other workplace, a TV set rarely conforms to the idealised image that marketing teams like to promote, with all performers forming deep friendships with all the rest and "getting along splendidly". A few people do become real friends, others get on well but do not socialise much with each other, while conflicts of personalities happen. I am sure most of us have witnessed that in our various employments: some people have fights or squabbles but can still work with each other, despite the underlying resentment. People do not need to be BFFs to collaborate or perform together and even like it. 

On 6/4/2020 at 5:24 PM, 853fisher said:

He thinks Lea was just peachy to work with!

DG does say in the article that he is talking only from his own individual experience with LM and is not passing judgment on how she was with others. Sometimes, even the views of a "traditionally hot white man. can be valid. 

18 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

The number one tactic of a bully is seeking out weak spots.

 

On 6/4/2020 at 12:29 PM, Scarlett45 said:

Bullies pick on those lower on the social hierarchy who cannot fight back or people they can get a rise out of.

Bullying divas most often target ayone who can threaten their position of dominance; but they can also do it to people lower on the totem pole just to assert their position and remind everyone who is the Alpha in the group. Those tactics may not work when someone pushes back as hard as they get, either because they have an equally strong personality or feel very secure and solidly established.

LM’s reputation has been around for years; it looks that her chickens are coming to roost now that people who kept silent before decide this is the perfect opportunity to get back at her, piling up on a wounded Alpha, as happens in the wild.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Florinaldo

[watches2muchtv]

Now stories going back to when she was just a kid?   Not excusing her but why have people been letting her get away with this for over 20 years?  If she was put in her place at 12 would she be different today?

Hard to change your attitude if you get away with it.     Fits in right with current situation in the country the world.

[853fisher]

1 hour ago, Florinaldo said:

DG does say in the article that he is talking only from his own individual experience with LM and is not passing judgment on how she was with others. Sometimes, even the views of a "traditionally hot white man. can be valid. 

My point was not that I think no person of that description can be trusted to offer their own view, but that such a person is exactly who one might expect Lea to treat solicitously, one she might perceive as having something to offer her.  Sharing that he found her warm and welcoming had probably the opposite effect he intended on me.

 

1 hour ago, watches2muchtv said:

Not excusing her but why have people been letting her get away with this for over 20 years?  If she was put in her place at 12 would she be different today?  Hard to change your attitude if you get away with it.

That's a good question.  In the relatively recent past, I think many of the people it seems were ill treated by her were already in tenuous positions with perhaps few allies.  It's very easy to say somebody should've complained about her, but to whom and with what effect?  How many reports of different kinds of misconduct have we learned are regularly ignored?  As for her much younger days, a childhood friend of mine was a performer known in regional theatre, and even before we were in high school her stage mother had quite a bit of heft.

I find most galling the comments of writer and producer Marti Noxon, who deflected the discussion about Lea to remark that several men were also bad actors on set but nobody ever talked about them.  I can think of few better than her to have done so.  Certainly not one of relatively few women of color in the industry; understudies, guest stars, and extras considered very expendable; or some others who would've been in a position to notice.

Edited June 6, 2020 by 853fisher
left out a word

[watches2muchtv]

2 hours ago, 853fisher said:

 

That's a good question.  In the relatively recent past, I think many of the people it seems were ill treated by her were already in tenuous positions with perhaps few allies.  It's very easy to say somebody should've complained about her, but to whom and with what effect?  How many reports of different kinds of misconduct have we learned are regularly ignored?  As for her much younger days, a childhood friend of mine was a performer known in regional theatre, and even before we were in high school her stage mother had quite a bit of heft.

 

I was thinking as a kid where were her parents, teachers, older actors.

Edited June 6, 2020 by watches2muchtv

[Snow Apple]

1 hour ago, watches2muchtv said:

I was thinking as a kid where were her parents, teachers, older actors.

The same place of the parents, teachers, and other adults of non-famous schoolyard bullies.

They either approved of the little darling, looked the other way, afraid to say anything if she's the pet of someone high up, or in denial. Perhaps someone did say something and was ignored or told to mind their own business. Perhaps they didn't see anything since Lea sounds like she can act nice around those who (in her mind) mattered.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Snow Apple

[Lovecat]

I find it intriguing that there was no episode of Showmance, Kevin and Jenna's GLEE recap podcast, this week.  They are closing in on the end of S1, and were supposed to cover S1E21, "Funk," which is the penultimate episode of the season.  Now it could be that they didn't record or held the episode because it would seem frivolous in light of everything else going on, but Lea *was* their first guest when they kicked off the recap edition of the pod, so...hmmmm.

So much delicious GLEE tea!

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, Lovecat said:

I find it intriguing that there was no episode of Showmance, Kevin and Jenna's GLEE recap podcast, this week.  They are closing in on the end of S1, and were supposed to cover S1E21, "Funk," which is the penultimate episode of the season.  Now it could be that they didn't record or held the episode because it would seem frivolous in light of everything else going on, but Lea *was* their first guest when they kicked off the recap edition of the pod, so...hmmmm.

So much delicious GLEE tea!

I subscribe to their podcast but I don’t follow it weekly (I think I’m only on episode 9 or 10). A lot of my podcasts didn’t release episodes this week. 

[Florinaldo]

19 hours ago, 853fisher said:

My point was not that I think no person of that description can be trusted to offer their own view, but that such a person is exactly who one might expect Lea to treat solicitously, one she might perceive as having something to offer her.  Sharing that he found her warm and welcoming had probably the opposite effect he intended on me.

Useful clarification for me since I did not get that from your initial post. DG is certainly no one who would have been a menace for LM's position on the show as the prima donna in the cast; also, it was probably known from the start that he was intended as a temporary guest actor, so he was not even a candidate for primo uomo. But it has been reported that she was also nasty or abusive towards various understudies including male ones, which means people who were no threat to her so he was not necessarily automatically safe.

Another person who similarly had to clarify her intent is Marti Noxon. Her explanation that she meant "actors" as people involved in the Glee production or this situation and not specifically male cast members is plausible, but it was not the most obvious choice of word. "Actor" can mean that, but it is not the meaning that would come spontaneously to most readers (or writers) in the context of discussing a TV show.

13 hours ago, Lovecat said:

I find it intriguing that there was no episode of Showmance, Kevin and Jenna's GLEE recap podcast, this week.

 

11 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

A lot of my podcasts didn’t release episodes this week.

Many Web-based productions suspended new releases this week, in the wake of blackout Tuesday (KMcH was photographed taking part in the protests in L.A.). It may be the case for this podcast, which might resume soon. Royalties, Darren Criss' new series of short episodes on Quibi, has done the same after having released 2 or 3 episodes the previous week.

Edited June 7, 2020 by Florinaldo

[caracas1914]

On 6/5/2020 at 2:15 PM, Snow Apple said:

If all these stories are true, and I have no reason to believe they are not, she really knows how to go for the jugular, doesn't she? The number one tactic of a bully is seeking out weak spots. Racist comments to the black actress, comments about looks when a person is most vulnerable, telling understudies they don't belong and are not good enough, etc. 

It looks like Lea was equal opportunity basher/bully. 

Heather Morris is on the record that she was difficult to work with.   With Amber you can pretty much infer that Lea wasn't exactly a bed of roses , yet  Amber didn't refute what the other Glee actress first posted.

While the original cast has absolutely no obligation to post or refute, it's almost deafenig how they haven't responded (other than Amber and Heather) to such a  character bashing comment on Lea.  Kevin, Naya, Chris, Matt, Jane and Jenna are MIA.

I get the comments that being a bully and/or racist are not mutually exclusive, so  I guess people can make up their own mind since Amber and Iqba have both stated that in their dealing with Lea they did not consider her racist,   However one of her insults certainly seems racist-oriented (the Wig), 

Whatever else unfolds, damage control from her PR team  has a tough road to hoe.

 

 

 

 

 

[theschnauzers]

You haven’t heard anything from Darren or Chord, either, who were the only ones to come aboard in season two, and are all but originals too. 

[SevenStars]

4 hours ago, theschnauzers said:

You haven’t heard anything from Darren or Chord, either, who were the only ones to come aboard in season two, and are all but originals too. 

 And they appear to be the close to her. 

[shantown]

3 hours ago, SevenStars said:

 And they appear to be the close to her. 

I don't think Chord has ever been close to her. The closest they ever were was the "Daleastreet" friendship which was pretty obviously just promo for the show. Darren and her have hung out a fair amount, but a lot of that was also promo for going on tour. It's hard to judge, but I think Darren and Jon Groff are two that I'm curious about their thoughts on it. Groff especially seems like a pretty standup guy, and it's interesting these two either condoned it or looked the other way for so long.

[caracas1914]

But again, some Glee actors  who weren't perceived as a threat to her, especially her male costars: it's hardly surprising that they wouldn't jump on and say specifically she treated THEM badly.   Fair enough.

On Samantha Ware's charge that Lea was personally horrible/abusive towards her, NOBODY has piped in to say "That's not what I observed on set".    That is a fairly simple thing to do.  That is the silence that is a bit deafening IMO.

One would think they would have more loyalty with someone they worked with /toured with for 6 + years as opposed to someone who was on the show just in the  last half season.

 

[vb68]

You would think Jonathan Groff at least would issue some type of statement in support, especially if Lea wanted him to do it. I agree the silence is a bit conspicuous there. As it is with Ryan Murphy saying nothing too. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by vb68

[Scarlett45]

9 hours ago, shantown said:

I don't think Chord has ever been close to her. The closest they ever were was the "Daleastreet" friendship which was pretty obviously just promo for the show. Darren and her have hung out a fair amount, but a lot of that was also promo for going on tour. It's hard to judge, but I think Darren and Jon Groff are two that I'm curious about their thoughts on it. Groff especially seems like a pretty standup guy, and it's interesting these two either condoned it or looked the other way for so long.

She and Darren are friends- they had their concert tour together summer 2018 (I went, got the shirt, it was great minus Darren choosing “remix to ignition” has his Chicago song!). I don’t expect Darren to say anything for the same reason I don’t expect Johnathan to say anything. 
 

Sometimes you can be close to someone and not endorse their behavior. I don’t know if that was the case here. I also think it’s likely that as white (or white passing)* men the verbal abuse/unprofessional behavior/prejudiced comments towards other women was beneath their notice. When I say that I don’t mean I think they went around encouraging Lea to be nasty to people, but I think they didn’t pay much attention to people lower on the totem pole. 

*I did not forget that Darren is also Filipino and am not trying to invalidate his heritage or cultural experience. 

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, vb68 said:

You would think Jonathan Groff at least would issue some type of statement in support, especially if Lea wanted him to do it. I agree the silence is a bit conspicuous there. As it is with Ryan Murphy saying nothing too. 

Actually I think it makes perfect sense why he hasn't. Everyone knows they've been life-long friends. I don't think anyone is expecting him to say she was horrible to him. His putting out a statement saying how amazing she's always been to him and maybe how he never saw this behavior is going to result in one of two things or a combination - people accusing him of dismissing and invalidating others' experience and two, people basically saying that of course as her friend he'll defend her bad behavior.

And of course some simply wondering, "who the hell asked him".  The fact is there is nothing Jonathan can say here. Again, he's her close friend. Everyone knows that. No one is going to view his opinion and thoughts of her as unbiased. Obviously if they're friends he must not think she's an asshole to him. But that doesn't invalidate her actions to others. So his speaking to their friendship and relationship really adds nothing, IMO. 

And frankly, I'm of the unpopular opinion that I don't need any and all to weigh in when things like this happen. No, I don't need or care for Ryan to make a statement or Darren or anyone else. This actress spoke to her experience with Lea, Lea made a statement and the public can choose how they react to it. 

 

10 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I also think it’s likely that as white men

Quick clarification, Darren is not white. He's mixed. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by truthaboutluv

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

Darren is not white. He's mixed. 

You are correct. Darren is white and Filipino. I will edit my post. 
 

You expressed much more in depth my thoughts on why Jonathan wouldn’t say anything. 

 

On 6/3/2020 at 11:21 AM, theschnauzers said:

 

Lea Michele Breaks Silence, Apologizes to Glee Co-Star for 'My Immaturity' and 'Unnecessarily Difficult Behavior'

My perception is that Corey Montheth really was the glue on the cast before he died, and knew how to handle Lea. I think his loss had an effect on keeping Lea in check.

I saw this but didn’t respond for some reason. 
 

Ive noticed that there are people that can turn mean and nasty when they are miserable (for a legitimate reason or not), but when they are happy they are perfectly benign or even pleasant to others. 
 

I can see after Cory died Leah being depressed (legitimately so) and lashing out towards others (which was wrong), but maybe not exhibiting that behavior so much when she was more personally happy (madly in love with Corey and the show was going well). 
 

Most of us know we can’t go off on the boss (even if we wanted to) or we would lose our jobs. 
 

I can see a situation where Lea was wrong for her behavior and may choose to treat people better going forward. 

[Florinaldo]

On 6/9/2020 at 7:10 AM, SevenStars said:

And they appear to be the close to her. 

It may depend on what "close" means. It is quite possible to get along very well with co-workers and hang out with them (as those three did when they posted pics under the Daleastreet label mentioned above), but it does not mean they are automatically BFFs. We know their public faces, not their private ones.

In my personal case, there’s a group of former colleagues I still see from time to time for a meal together (well, not these days of course). We get along and sometimes we even work together on one-off volunteer or charity projects, but I would not call every one of us close. Same with the former Gleeks: they can very well perform together at times and enjoy it, but it does not necessarily make them intimate or close friends, except for a very few. The only person about whom we can be sure of that is Jonathan Groff since her and LM  have indeed been friends for years from when they were together in the theater.

Wednesday of last week I described divas as "equal opportunity bullies" and LM seems to fit the bill because the people who reported her offensive actions, on Broadway and elsewhere, cut across gender, sexual and ethnic lines. Divas can be abusive towards people they perceive as a threat to their position, but also to others (including peers) to remind all of who is on top, simply just for the fun of it or because it is an integral part of their personal character. No Glee cast or crew member has an obligation to come forward and say anything. In fact. I think it’s probably best for them to avoid wading into this public morass. First, it might look like they are opportunistically joining the herd, going in for a kill when they smell blood. Second, they would probably end up pleasing and displeasing different factions equally whatever they say. It's a lose-lose alternative.

JG for example would be accused of bias because of his longstanding friendship with LM if he said anything in her defense and be called a traitor if he confirmed the rumours. Moreover, showing support, even out of basic friendship, for someone accused of such wrongdoings is considered in these times to be almost as bad as the alleged offense.

If pressed, they might be better off to point to AR's statement, say "I'm with her", and leave it at that.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Florinaldo

[caracas1914]

8 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Ive noticed that there are people that can turn mean and nasty when they are miserable (for a legitimate reason or not), but when they are happy they are perfectly benign or even pleasant to others. 
 

I can see after Cory died Leah being depressed (legitimately so) and lashing out towards others (which was wrong), but maybe not exhibiting that behavior so much when she was more personally happy (madly in love with Corey and the show was going well). 
 

Most of us know we can’t go off on the boss (even if we wanted to) or we would lose our jobs. 
 

I can see a situation where Lea was wrong for her behavior and may choose to treat people better going forward. 

First of all, from all accounts Lea’s boorish treatment of others predates Glee and appears to be a consistent pattern of behavior for many years.

Whether she was clinically depressed or not with the death of Cory many going through grief or depression don’t necessarily bully those around them or go off on racist or transphobic tirades.     

Again either she’s accountable for her actions, regardless of the reasons behind it, or she’s not.   I’m sorry, But this Dr. Jeckl & Mr. Hyde  Scenario, i.e. romanticized notion that while Cory was alive Lea was a better person who treated others well and that his loss somehow  triggered her bad behavior Is insulting to the history  of others who have stated how she mistreated them  for over  a span covering at least 15 years.   

As to Lea going forward and “choosing” to treat people better, It’s fair to say all people have that choice every day whether to be an asshole to others or not.   

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, caracas1914 said:

First of all, from all accounts Lea’s boorish treatment of others predates Glee and appears to be a consistent pattern of behavior for many years.

Whether she was clinically depressed or not with the death of Cory many going through grief or depression don’t necessarily bully those around them or go off on racist or transphobic tirades.     

Again either she’s accountable for her actions, regardless of the reasons behind it, or she’s not.   I’m sorry, But this Dr. Jeckl & Mr. Hyde  Scenario, i.e. romanticized notion that while Cory was alive Lea was a better person who treated others well and that his loss somehow  triggered her bad behavior Is insulting to the history  of others who have stated how she mistreated them  for over  a span covering at least 15 years.   

As to Lea going forward and “choosing” to treat people better, It’s fair to say all people have that choice every day whether to be an asshole to others or not.   

For the record I’m not excusing Lea’s behavior. Wrong is wrong. 
 

I was expanding on theories about Corey’s presence on set and how he was the person who could keep Lea in check. It seemed everyone admired and respected Corey. Why she did what she did is between her, her higher power (if she has one) or her therapist. I wasn’t trying to romanticize it (my apologizes if it came off that way). 
 

No one she hurt is required to forgive her even if the “hurt people, hurt people” thing is true. And yes she should be held accountable for the choices she made as an adult- you pay the consequences for having a bad character. 
 

I just wanted to be clear on that part. You can be sorry, that doesn’t make it okay, no one is required to forgive you. 
 

Too many times people (in general) make bad choices, and may be genuinely sorry but expect it to “go away” because they are sorry. Nope life doesn’t work like that. 

[Hiyo]

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My perception is that Corey Montheth really was the glue on the cast before he died, and knew how to handle Lea. I think his loss had an effect on keeping Lea in check.

It wasn't Corey's job to keep her in check, that's the job of the people running the show. And from what we have seen, she was an asshole to people before he died.

 

[Florinaldo]

A little music video from DC's current comedy series Royalties, featuring two former Gleeks (Sam and Artie certainly have... matured).

Edited June 23, 2020 by Florinaldo

[theschnauzers]

On 6/13/2020 at 12:15 AM, Hiyo said:

It wasn't Corey's job to keep her in check, that's the job of the people running the show. And from what we have seen, she was an asshole to people before he died.

 

You totally missed the point. During and after Glee’s run, the cast and crew acknowledged Cory’s role on set. I’m not saying Lea wasn’t an ass BTS while Corey was alive, I’m saying Corey could handle Lea better than anyone else could. What the production staff did or could do really wasn’t the point, even Ryan Murphy wasn’t able to keep Lea in check all the time as he wasn’t on set all the time either.

[Hiyo]

I didn’t miss the point at all. We just happen to disagree on the subject.

[caracas1914]

23 hours ago, theschnauzers said:

You totally missed the point. During and after Glee’s run, the cast and crew acknowledged Cory’s role on set. I’m not saying Lea wasn’t an ass BTS while Corey was alive, I’m saying Corey could handle Lea better than anyone else could. What the production staff did or could do really wasn’t the point, even Ryan Murphy wasn’t able to keep Lea in check all the time as he wasn’t on set all the time either.

Whooah....first of all if you're saying she was an ass even with Corey around to others on set, how in the world was it that he "handled"  her better than anyone else could?   Doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, they were a romantic item.    Yet that somehow seems irrelevant to the apparent pattern of behavior she developed towards others on set.

FWIW, we have no idea or any  evidence  whether Cory improved or not  Lea's behavior on the Glee set:  we do have an actor who publicly  stated Lea made her life difficult on set, and Lea's  statement acknowledging she might have patterns of behavior she needs to work on. 

Why drag Cory into this ? 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by caracas1914

[Scarlett45]

I got back into Kevin & Jenna’s podcast- but I’m only listening to episodes I really love. Here’s their take on season 2 episode 1. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/showmance-glee-recap-edition-kevin-mchale-jenna-ushkowitz/id1456408641?i=1000481767746

[choclatechip45]

Tragic news. Naya Rivera is missing/feared dead after going swimming with her son this afternoon, her son was found on the boat alone. 

 

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/naya-rivera-missing-lake-piru-4-year-old-son-safe/

[853fisher]

Wow, this is really tough to hear. Sources are reporting as of 11pm Wednesday night that the search is suspended overnight but will resume tomorrow. I believe in miracles but this seems pretty bleak. Can you imagine being that child tonight? I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy in the world.

Edited July 9, 2020 by 853fisher
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[caracas1914]

1 hour ago, choclatechip45 said:

Tragic news. Naya Rivera is missing/feared dead after going swimming with her son this afternoon, her son was found on the boat alone. 

 

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/naya-rivera-missing-lake-piru-4-year-old-son-safe/

DAMN.

Always thought she was one of the most appealing of all the Glee performers.   Too tragic with how they found her son.

[mtlchick]

5 hours ago, choclatechip45 said:

Tragic news. Naya Rivera is missing/feared dead after going swimming with her son this afternoon, her son was found on the boat alone. 

 

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/naya-rivera-missing-lake-piru-4-year-old-son-safe/

Twitter is upset the search was suspended due to darkness with some calling the station demanding they keep looking through the night, and using flashlight and sonar. Um....it’s muddy enough during the day. A flashlight in the water at night isn’t going to help.

 

based on what her son said that she jumped in and never resurfaced and tragically a life jacket was on board, she could have hit her head on something, got her leg caught (reports suggest the bottom is like quick sand)...I prayed for her overnight. But I fear the worst. 

[Cranberry]

Yeah, it's normal to suspend a search overnight, especially hours after the person went missing in the water. It's not being suspended because she's a POC (a claim I've seen multiple people make), and bombarding local authorities with calls to continue the search isn't going to help. They'll be back out as soon as it's safe.

This whole thing is just awful. I don't have the words.

[Featherhat]

It's usual for searches to be called off at night because it's almost impossible to find someone like that in the muddy darkness, especially if they're looking underwater, especially if they don't have specialists on hand. It also gets a lot more dangerous for the search and rescue teams. It's awful for those who love her and desperately want her to be rescued but it's not that they couldn't be bothered or didn't want/hope to find her alive or she's not a priority because she's Latina. 

It's incredibly tragic and it doesn't sound like a happy outcome is likely under the circumstances and they didn't find anything on the land around the lake. That poor boy. At least someone saw him and he's safe. 

I guess "The Curse of Glee" stories will be starting again. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Featherhat

[Lady Calypso]

This is definitely shocking news. My stomach is just churning at the news, especially with how slim the chances are that this ends well for everybody. I feel for her poor son, who was literally with her when this all went down. I hope that they can find her, at least for closure. 

[Scarlett45]

I came to share because I heard the news. Oh my goodness how tragic!

[Featherhat]

They're continuing at first light. At this point they're 99.999999% looking for a body. Pretty much when they didn't immediately find her yesterday. This is terrible. I remind myself they could be looking for a 4 year old as well and that's something. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Featherhat

[Scarlett45]

6 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

They're continuing at first light. At this point they're 99.999999% looking for a body. Pretty much when they didn't immediately find her yesterday. This is terrible. I remind myself they could be looking for a 4 year old as well and that's something. 

Her poor poor son. How terrifying for him!