The Bold Type - General Discussion

[sashayshante]

So, random question...

Do they have any plus sized women on this show that aren't some kind of comic relief?

Does Pinstripe have a key to Jane's apartment? It would be great if they defined that relationship a bit. I'm also a bit annoyed that Sutton, Kat and Jane can take a road trip during a work day at a moment's notice, but neither of them could take an afternoon off to pick up their best friend from a medical procedure.

The Alex thing I was meh about. One line from Kat about how being a black man admitting to pressuring a woman into sex would add an extra layer to the story wasn't enough for me. I would have liked to see them explore that, and would have LOVED if Jacqueline the White Savior didn't swoop in to promise Alex everything would be ok. OK, Rich White Lady. If you say so. I wish we could have heard what Alex wrote, too.

Loved Richard's Peter Pan collar. Hope we see more gender fluidity represented. I just saw him in that Netflix movie with Gina Rodriguez playing uber-straight and appreciate the actor more now.

Edited April 24, 2019 by sashayshante

[Guest]

The Jane stuff was so cringe, I just had to fast forward through all of it. Yeah yeah, sexual empowerment and whatever, but I dislike the apparent overall implication that if you're vanilla you're a sheltered flower or it's something that needs to be addressed as a potential stumbling block in a relationship. Not everyone is into kinky stuff!

The Alex stuff...yeesh. I get that they were trying to do a (very belated) riff on the Aziz Ansari situation, but it's incredibly unfortunate to give this to Alex, one of only two Black male characters who hardly ever gets featured, and when he does, it's morally ambiguous #MeToo stuff, ugh. I agree with @sashayshante that it was laughably detached for Jacqueline to just shrug and tell Alex he would probably be able to keep his job because she personally supported him and understood his side, whereas in reality, the twitter mob would have him ousted in three days or less.

As implausible as it is that a twentysomething social media manager with zero political experience would be able to viably run for city Council in a place like Manhattan, I actually like Kat's storyline. Looks like they're going for the AOC homage. If Kat graduated college in 2012, that would make her 28/29, which I don't buy at all, especially in terms of her career trajectory. That was a really weird detail to throw in there. She's obviously going to hook up with campaign aide lady, which should be interesting to watch – too bad it will all be thrown by the wayside when Adena inevitably reappears. 

I support Sutton pursuing fashion design! And the less I know about her and Richard's sex life, the better.

[tvrox]

6 hours ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

The Jane stuff was so cringe, I just had to fast forward through all of it. Yeah yeah, sexual empowerment and whatever, but I dislike the apparent overall implication that if you're vanilla you're a sheltered flower or it's something that needs to be addressed as a potential stumbling block in a relationship. Not everyone is into kinky stuff!

The Alex stuff...yeesh. I get that they were trying to do a (very belated) riff on the Aziz Ansari situation, but it's incredibly unfortunate to give this to Alex, one of only two Black male characters who hardly ever gets featured, and when he does, it's morally ambiguous #MeToo stuff, ugh. I agree with @sashayshante that it was laughably detached for Jacqueline to just shrug and tell Alex he would probably be able to keep his job because she personally supported him and understood his side, whereas in reality, the twitter mob would have him ousted in three days or less.

As implausible as it is that a twentysomething social media manager with zero political experience would be able to viably run for city Council in a place like Manhattan, I actually like Kat's storyline. Looks like they're going for the AOC homage. If Kat graduated college in 2012, that would make her 28/29, which I don't buy at all, especially in terms of her career trajectory. That was a really weird detail to throw in there. She's obviously going to hook up with campaign aide lady, which should be interesting to watch – too bad it will all be thrown by the wayside when Adena inevitably reappears. 

I support Sutton pursuing fashion design! And the less I know about her and Richard's sex life, the better.

Regarding Kat, the homage I think was to Zephyr Teachout (the old candidate's name she replaced was Linda Zephyr!) I also thought she was going to hook up with the campaign aide, but then the aide introduced everyone to Carlos? i think that was her boyfriend, otherwise why do the big introduction?

[tennisgurl]

Like the last few weeks, I enjoyed the story with Sutton the most. I can see her being a good designer, and I like seeing her find her way around the industry. Plus, she is just a really likable, engaging person, especially compared to wet blanket Jane. 

Although to be fair to Jane, she was fine this week, and I kind of even get why she was annoyed. I mean, it sucks that her boyfriend wont be honest with her about what he is into because he thinks that Jane is boring, and even worse, he looked up porn on sketchy sites on her computer! What the hell? 

Although to be fair to Pinstripe, knowing Jane, I would imagine that if he suggested something, she would get all upset and reveal that she has some bondage related trauma in her past, like the last time her boyfriend cheated on her with a dominatrix and it caused to to angrily run into the street and get hit by a truck, so now she hates trucks AND bondage. 

The Alex plot was at least interesting in a way, and does raise some decently interesting questions, but I do kind of wish that they did more about communication, that everyone needs to be straight up and honest about where they think something is going, whether you want to keep going or to stop. I can get what they were saying, but how women often feel pressured just to keep going, but I think they could have handled it better. And it being with one of the few black regulars who is involved just makes the whole thing even more complicated. And the ending seemed rather pat, with Jacqueline saving the day, even though its pretty likely that Alex would have to be fired about the outrage brigade got through with him, especially being one of the few guys on staff at a place like Scarlet. I mean, if he can weather enough time before they move onto the next outrage he could keep his job, but it would be tough. 

Yeah the campaign chick that Kat was making heart eyes at has a boyfriend apparently, but Adena had a girlfriend when she met her, so...

It kind of seemed like they were going for a communication theme. Kat had to help the candidate try to communicate to reach her voters, Pinstripe wasnt honest about what he was into sexually with Jane and just made assumptions, and Alex's whole plot was mixed communications.

Edited April 25, 2019 by tennisgurl

[Guest]

3 hours ago, tvrox said:

I also thought she was going to hook up with the campaign aide, but then the aide introduced everyone to Carlos? i think that was her boyfriend, otherwise why do the big introduction?

To introduce another love triangle with Kat on top this time (no pun intended) and campaign aide will be seduced by Kat's magical lesbian radar. Also it adds more angst if her new love interest has a boyfriend, because then you get the "I'm falling for a straight girl/does she like ladies or not" drama.

[TVForever]

8 hours ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

To introduce another love triangle with Kat on top this time (no pun intended) and campaign aide will be seduced by Kat's magical lesbian radar. Also it adds more angst if her new love interest has a boyfriend, because then you get the "I'm falling for a straight girl/does she like ladies or not" drama.

Don’t forget though, that Kay was straight when the show started. I remember her not even seriously thinking of being attracted to women because she “ liked peen too much”. Well that changed once she met Adena, so who knows?

[sashayshante]

Y'all are overlooking the possibility that this season Kat might experiment with poly or open relationships or deal with bi-erasure. They've already done the convert the straight woman thing. It's a little trying that her character is tied so tightly To and defined by her sexuality.

Edited April 25, 2019 by sashayshante

[JasmineFlower]

Wasn't crazy about a lot of this week. I think what they were going for almost worked. But personally, and this is a problem I have regularly with this, it didn't land completely for the lack of ownership by the writer/friend. I liked how Sutton said to Alex that you see us as "strong outspoken women with our own agency" but to me, that rarely seems to be the case and that certainly can't be extended to Kristen in my mind. Strong women with their own agency don't place all this blame for intentional actions of their own onto others when they later regret their decisionmaking. Sutton on the other hand, she seemed to own what went down in her case, but from what we were told it didn't seem like Kristen did in her article. Instead it was all Alex's fault, cause men.

Like others, not a fan of doing this with the only black guy on the show that is part of the editorial side of things. And also complete BS that he'd be safe in revealing his identity. I was happy when Kat spoke up, but very disappointed when that wasn't the advice that ruled the day since that is the true reality.

Sutton changing the dress? I'm not sure why that was written like the designer was the bad guy. Sutton is my favorite on the show, but that was a bad mistake and the designer had every right to be beyond pissed. Sutton caused a redesign in manufacturing and a delay in distribution. But Sutton is the sympathetic character in this bit? No she's not. She made a massive mistake. She will learn from it. But there was no need to downplay that at all. This was bad enough to make it up the food chain to Jacqueline and probably should have.

I couldn't be less of a fan of Patrick, but the worst thing about his being on the show is how much it has diminished Jacqueline's role and involvement with the other characters' storylines. I'm not sure if this is an age thing or what, but it was a terrible idea on the show's part to bring him in and cut her out. She's been relegated to making a cameo appearance each episode.

[sashayshante]

1 hour ago, JasmineFlower said:

She's been relegated to making a cameo appearance each episode. 

Was her role ever that  big, though? She's sort of the show's deus ex Machina, always swooping in with the save, like the drag queen nanny. She's completely one-dimensional. Patrick is more fleshed out and nuanced. Not totally good, not totally bad. Jaqueline is always good. Great, even. She does no wrong ever. Patrick adds some much needed tension to the show. They don't have characters push back enough on these three leads.

[retrograde]

Why do they keep saying "the dot com"? Is this 1997? Is it on the information superhighway?

As a journalist, Jane shouldn't be trying to get anyone elected. Sutton and Kat can do what they want, but not her.

That bar looked pretty gentrified to me. 

Is "Kat runs for City Council" going to be a ripped-from-the-headlines AOC thing? 

[mamadrama]

On 4/25/2019 at 7:34 AM, TVForever said:

Don’t forget though, that Kay was straight when the show started. I remember her not even seriously thinking of being attracted to women because she “ liked peen too much”. Well that changed once she met Adena, so who knows?

I wish this storyline could be explored more. Kat was straight when she was introduced to us, but now that's she had a relationship with Adena she's strictly a lesbian? I think sexual orientation is a lot more complex than that. I'd like to see Kat navigating the channels of "I was always attracted to men in the past but then I had a relationship with a woman I loved so what does that make me". 

[JasmineFlower]

12 hours ago, sashayshante said:

Was her role ever that  big, though? She's sort of the show's deus ex Machina, always swooping in with the save, like the drag queen nanny. She's completely one-dimensional. Patrick is more fleshed out and nuanced. Not totally good, not totally bad. Jaqueline is always good. Great, even. She does no wrong ever. Patrick adds some much needed tension to the show. They don't have characters push back enough on these three leads.

Patrick doesn't add a thing to the show for me. In fact, he's detracting.

And of course her role was bigger than it is now. Consider that her previous role encompassed the screen time she has now plus what Patrick is given, not to mention a good deal more since she served as Jane's mentor and that was on display regularly, interacted with Kat often, has a friendship with Richard, was shown with Oliver often enough, and had her own storylines that usually involved hard decisions of the editor and dealing with the board and parent company.  And Jacqueline wasn't displayed nearly as one-dimensional as you seem to recall. She's made mistakes, but she always seems to have good intentions.

Like her or not, and it sounds like you don't, you're greatly diminishing the breadth of Jacqueline's character through the first two seasons.

[Jillybean]

I think this was my last episode. I'm not the target demographic, anyway.

[JasmineFlower]

5 hours ago, Jillybean said:

I think this was my last episode. I'm not the target demographic, anyway.

Sorry you're not enjoying, but definitely bail if you're ready. Plenty of other shows to watch and hopefully like a good deal more that there's no reason to try to stick with the ones you're just so-so on.

[KaveDweller]

On 4/26/2019 at 12:46 AM, retrograde said:

Why do they keep saying "the dot com"? Is this 1997? Is it on the information superhighway?

It also seems weird that they are acting like their articles getting put on "the dot com" is a demotion from it being in the magazine. In the first season, all Jane's articles were posted online and they talked about which articles were getting the most clicks.

Who still buys print magazines anyway?

[retrograde]

6 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

It also seems weird that they are acting like their articles getting put on "the dot com" is a demotion from it being in the magazine.

This does happen in real life, to be fair. At some publications, the editorial quality and pay (for freelancers, anyway) are lower on the website versus the print product and there can be a sense -- fairly or unfairly -- that the print is the "real" or "premium" version. Also writers just like seeing their stuff in print form (even if, yes, fewer people read it these days). So I could see why Jane wouldn't mind stories going in print and online versus just online.

[GaT]

I'm sick of Patrick, & I think they are probably going to keep him all season until Jacqueline proves she's better than him & he goes.

[Aulty]

Oh goody, another Jane saves the day story.

Yes, it is sad to see print become more insignificant while fast online content with limited half time is all the rage. But I can't just side with print because Jaqueline is more likeable than Patrick. Patrick might be annoying, but he is obviously working hard to make his branch of the publication work and stay on top of trends. Both the personalities and the content formats need to find a way to co-exist and that needs mediation and commitment (to keep a print edition) from the top.

[allonsyalice]

Those sleeves on Sutton’s dress were open flutter sleeves, not bishop sleeves. (Think of Liesl’s dress in the 16 going on 17 in the sound of music for bishop sleeves)

Tbh nothing makes me angrier than when characters who are supposed to know what they’re talking about just dont. 

[OoogleEyes]

Is there such a thing as an Anger Room?

[gesundheit]

Kat is an adult human woman in NYC who went to college and has had an abortion in her life and has never heard of a Crisis Pregnancy Center? 

Give me a break.

[tennisgurl]

Oh great, Jane gets to save the day, yet again. She is just that wonderful and awesome that she can even inspire Jacqueline, a woman who has been in the magazine industry for years and an editor for ten years, to keep on going and fighting against...the man? The internet? Really, I dont like that they seem to be going into a "print media is always better and more pure than evil online media" story with Patrick vs. Jacqueline, as I think its pointless. Yeah I am sad in many ways that print media is shrinking and more publications are focusing on online content, but is it such a terrible thing? Patrick smug, pushy, and annoying, but he does seem to be trying to do his job to the best of his ability, and it seems like people are just annoyed by him doing his job and trying to integrate more internet content into the magazine, which is why he was brought on. This show normally does a good job of showing the bad and bad sides of the internet, it would suck if it turned into another "new media bad, old media good" story. 

It makes sense that Sutton's first dress wouldn't be instantly amazing, she just needs to keep at it. I liked her plot, it was nice to see her working hard, while also giving some good advice and being supportive. I think thats why I normally like Sutton work stories so much, she really seems to struggle and work hard to succeed in ways that Jane and Kat so often dont. They both just kind of tend to fall in success after success and things just kind of work out for them, while Sutton has more realistic set backs, and has had to pay her dues, while working hard. 

I do think that Kat story has potential, especially as a lot of young people, especially women, really are getting involved in politics and running for office now, but I wish she had shown some more interest in it before now. It seems like kind of a big career change, especially for someone with such a prestigious job as a social media director at a major publication. 

[Guest]

On 4/26/2019 at 9:33 AM, mamadrama said:

I wish this storyline could be explored more. Kat was straight when she was introduced to us, but now that's she had a relationship with Adena she's strictly a lesbian? I think sexual orientation is a lot more complex than that. I'd like to see Kat navigating the channels of "I was always attracted to men in the past but then I had a relationship with a woman I loved so what does that make me". 

Bisexuality seems to be Voldemort of TV - always spoken about and alluded to, but never named. Once the character in question starts dating the same gender, the writers tend to retcon their heterosexuality, which is especially easy to do with Kat since we're never seen her with a man and her entire series archetype is to be The Queer One. Biphobia is alive and well, so many fans would consider it a regression or betrayal to pair her with a man now or even bring up her attraction to men. The only notable exceptions I can think of are Lost Girl, where essentially every (female) character is openly and nonchalantly pansexual, and South of Nowhere, where a bisexual love triangle essentially drives the plot of the whole series (spoiler alert: the girl in the middle ultimately picks the other girl whose sexuality she awakened, although the actress ironically married the actor who played her boyfriend). I love Kat's would-be girlfriend and I hope they give them some time to develop feelings and be cute before Adena's return. Pretty bold of Kat to be floating the "I like you as more than a friend so please be my date" conversation knowing she has a boyfriend. 

Really not digging or understanding the sudden "Jacqueline is a washed up racehorse being led to the media glue factory" storyline that this season insists on revolving around. So she's been EIC of in-universe Cosmo/Teen Vogue for a decade, but is blown out of the water by some 23-year-old goober in a matter of months because he's able to wow the board with his knowledge of...what, exactly? Sure, Jan.

[sashayshante]

1 hour ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

Really not digging or understanding the sudden "Jacqueline is a washed up racehorse being led to the media glue factory" storyline

Jacqueline is based on Marie Claire's EIC Joanna Coles. I'm pretty sure Cole was "encouraged" to step aside, too. The main reason I have such an aversion to Jacqueline is because Coles is one of TBT's producers, so Jacqueline will never be portrayed as anything but mildly flawed.

[retrograde]

As dirty as New York City politics can be, and as relentless as its press corps is, Kat having had an abortion would not be an issue in that district (unless she made it one, which... I guess she's doing). Her real problem would be that she doesn't seem to know anything about local politics, nor has she ever taken an interest before.  Also the fact that she's a rich kid who lives rent free in lower Manhattan. Start with the community board, Kat.

On the plus side, I like the campaign manager character. I agree with whoever said that it'd be more plausible is she were running. 

[eat]

Oh hey, a Pinstripe-free episode!

I’m not a fan of the abusive photographer being a woman though. Like the story of Alex-as-Jeff, it hits a sour note for me. Of course women can be just as bad as men, but power structures enable men’s bad behavior much more. 

[UNOSEZ]

5 hours ago, eat said:

Oh hey, a Pinstripe-free episode!

I’m not a fan of the abusive photographer being a woman though. Like the story of Alex-as-Jeff, it hits a sour note for me. Of course women can be just as bad as men, but power structures enable men’s bad behavior much more. 

Maybe they just wanted to expand a bit.. As a guy who watches the show.. I'm not exactly clamoring for a " wimminz iz bad two" story but it may break up the monotony.. Plus there may be some young ladies out there who've been hurt by another woman and dunno how to express it.. Especially in these times

[sashayshante]

Sadly, I've never been part of an on or offline community for women where older women weren't dismissive and insulting towards younger female colleagues and vice versa. The way they depict the Scarlett offices as a drama/conflict free zone is disingenuous. I'd love to see a storyline where two women characters hash out a tense relationship by  acknowledging they're perpetuating a stereotype by sniping or backstabbing each other.

Edited May 4, 2019 by sashayshante

[KaveDweller]

4 hours ago, sashayshante said:

Sadly, I've never been part of an on or offline community for women where older women aren't dismissive and insulting towards younger female colleagues and vice versa. The way they depict the Scarlett offices as a drama/conflict free zone is disingenuous. I'd love to see a storyline where two women characters hash out a tense relationship by  acknowledging they're perpetuating a stereotype by sniping or backstabbing each other.

They showed some conflict between two women last season with that woman who thought Sutton was only having success with her job because she had slept with Alex. But I agree it would be realistic to have more drama.  However, I also really like how supportive the three main characters are of each other.

Anyone else notice the continuity issue? Last week Kat said she graduated NYU in 2012. I remember, because I thought that made her older than I previously thought. Then this week, they referred to her abortion as being in 2013, and she said she was still in college at the time.

[sashayshante]

I just finished the episode. the actress they showed in the article for abusive photographer is recognizable enough that we're probably not done with that story line. I hope it goes in another direction, like how successful women are often called difficult because they don't take any bullshit. I side-eyed the models running their mouths off to a reporter, off the record or not. That would never happen. Maybe if they were meeting with a Ronan Farrow type journalist they'd be that open, but not with a writer assigned to a fluff piece.

Ugh with the Jacqueline storyline. They pull this every season. Will Jacqueline be fired? Will Jane save the day? WILL SCARLETT SURVIVE??? I still don't get what about Jacqueline is so spectacular. The fact that she was ready to give up doesn't exactly scream "she's a fighter."

[tvrox]

I don't think the Richard wants kids and Sutton doesn't storyline is over, its going to continue to be an issue. I knew Tia was going to use the dinner party to ask for contributions, its a sad but inevitable part of politics.

[twoods]

The inevitable want kids/don’t want kids storyline has showed up yet again to a stable, happy couple. Can’t the writers figure something else out to break couples up, or maybe just have them be happy for once? Cue to Sutton having a pregnancy scare and being unhappy about it while Richard wants to keep it storyline. Sigh.

[UNOSEZ]

16 minutes ago, twoods said:

The inevitable want kids/don’t want kids storyline has showed up yet again to a stable, happy couple. Can’t the writers figure something else out to break couples up, or maybe just have them be happy for once? Cue to Sutton having a pregnancy scare and being unhappy about it while Richard wants to keep it storyline. Sigh.

Its tropey.. But its not false.. Especially for a couple where the guy is further along in his life and is envisioning leaving a legacy... Of course this is the type of shit you discuss before leaving your beautiful accomplished age appropriate fiance for the completely awesome but very young Sutton who's still figuring out her life... 

[dubbel zout]

I don't know about the timing of talking about kids/no kids. They've only just moved in together. That might be enough for them to decide they aren't compatible. They're still figuring out how to navigate talking/not talking about work. Kids are a ways off, IMO. 

I kind of enjoyed the train-wreck quality of the dinner party. It wasn't that huge a disaster, just uncomfortable enough to make good chitchat at a future party, heh.

[BabyVegas]

Ugh, Patrick is the worst. And he's not even a smooth manipulator. That or Richard is the pushover to end all pushovers. I sincerely hope that the actor who plays Patrick is the nicest person on the planet because that character is so punchable. Even when he was doing his "poor little boss" routine, I was fresh out of pity. If he doesn't have the skillset to be in charge, then he doesn't have the skillset to be in charge. Stop whining and go learn it. As villains go, he's about two seconds from twirling a moustache. I know subtlety has never been this show's forte, but I'm starting to find it too hard to watch.

Also that was wildly inappropriate of Tia. There's focused on your work and then there's no concept of context. Why on EARTH would she think it was a good idea to go to a small dinner party thrown by someone else to get money? Even if she didn't realize that Kat had romantic motivations, it still could have just been a friends thing and still inappropriate to ask for money.

I'm enjoying Sutton's storyline. I'm enjoying seeing her blossom career-wise. I don't even mind her storyline with Richard. His friends were a bit condescending, but it's definitely a very real thing that people with a 14 year age difference would be at different stages in their lives. And she was right that he should have been talking to her about the idea of moving. With their age differences, it would have been more unrealistic if these sorts of things weren't an issue. 

[sashayshante]

I'm in the minority, because I really like Patrick if only because he doesn't give in to Jane and actually acts like a real boss would act. As usual, Jane gets the tell it like it is moment that - at any other job - would get her fired. It's unclear to me what magic Jane performed to get the model to trust her. And using your work email to write snotty things about your boss? I just...how do these women have jobs???

Did Tia just, like, appear without anybody going to answer the door? she walked into that kitchen out of nowhere.

Edited May 8, 2019 by sashayshante

[Aulty]

I'm sorry to say that if they set up a future Patrick and Janes hook-up in this episode I'd be totally here for that. He really isn't a bad guy per se - we just see a lot of him through the Jane-filter and she is just out to disagree with him on almost everything.

It's also very convenient that Ryan is about to go on a book tour.

Great that Sutton got into the seminar. The thing with Richard wanting a family is not surprising. Most of his peers probably got the family first and the young girlfriend later.

No opinion on Kat's story. If Tia isn't into her or girls in general then she will have to respect that. If she wants love, she will have to put herself out there more.

[sashayshante]

I'm pretty sure Patrick is gay. He made a reference to "straights" in a recent episode. Would love to see them incorporate a bi character into the show, though.

[gesundheit]

16 minutes ago, sashayshante said:

I'm pretty sure Patrick is gay. He made a reference to "straights" in a recent episode. Would love to see them incorporate a bi character into the show, though.

I thought we heard something where he just identified as "queer," which could mean many things.

Frankly I thought Sutton's shock and hurt at someone implying that she's in a "phase" was hilarious. Girl's only wanted to be a designer for like 3 weeks. I love her, but come on now. This is her third big career plan shift in a year.

Kat, Kat, Kat. I know the reverse situation happened to you and it turned out differently, but if someone tells you they're straight, don't push it. Yes, Tia was flirting, but straight women tell other straight women they're hot all the time. 

Oh poor Jane, completely missing a work meeting and not getting first dibs on stories! Her sense of entitlement is insane.

[tennisgurl]

I admit, I love a good train wreck dinner party, and this was a more realistic, manageable sort of train wreck that I can kind of see happening. Frustrations boil over after a few drinks, things get awkward, but it more or less works out. Its the kind of thing that makes for a funny awkward story at yet another dinner party later on. And a lot of it did seem true to life, with Richards older friends sounding condescending towards Sutton, and Sutton getting defensive about her life in New York, even if it was well meant or understandable. 

I know that Tia said she was straight, but I do think she was sending some mixed signals towards Kat. I know that women pretty frequently call each other hot or sexy without it meaning anything, but she seemed really touchy with her, and the "and she can cook? sexy" stuff really did sound flirty. Kat needs to respect her when she says she isnt into her, and I dont think it came out of nowhere. Also, damn Tia, time and place for campaign donation speeches!

Speaking of time and place, you kind of have to expect that if you invite Jane to an event, she will make it about her and cause a scene due to her being pissed off about something, but then everyone will say how awesome she was anyway. Really, it was shocking that she could even apologize to Patrick at all! I admit, I like Patrick and what he brings to the show. Its nice to have a boss who isnt just the most perfect most wonderful person ever like Jacqueline or mustache twirling "we only care about the bottom line" people like the board members. Really, a lot of the stuff he does is pretty harmless in a "bosses gonna boss" kind of way, just Jane hates him so everything gets filtered through that lens. He does some stuff I think is crappy, but some bosses DO stuff thats crappy. 

The "I want a kid and you dont" thing is apparently the new cool way to break up TV couples, so I was happy that Sutton and Richard are going to keep on keeping on, if only to avert the cliche. And it does at least make sense that this would be an issue for them, given the big age gap and where they both are in their lives. Considering they just moved in together, this is probably something they can talk about later, luckily men can keep having kids for longer than many women can, so its not a massive rush, if they are both cool with talking it over. As usual, I enjoy the Sutton story, and seeing her career take flight.

Edited May 8, 2019 by tennisgurl

[luckyroll3]

1 hour ago, gesundheit said:

Kat, Kat, Kat. I know the reverse situation happened to you and it turned out differently, but if someone tells you they're straight, don't push it. Yes, Tia was flirting, but straight women tell other straight women they're hot all the time. 

It also really annoyed me that Jane was pushing her on this by saying, "well you were straight once and now you're not."  Also, also, why is she talking shit about her boss on the company email?!?  That's what text messages are for.  Ah, just shut up Jane!

[gesundheit]

20 minutes ago, luckyroll3 said:

 Also, also, why is she talking shit about her boss on the company email?!?  That's what text messages are for.  Ah, just shut up Jane!

Seriously, she is in her mid-20s, she should know better. I get it if some 62-year-old employee might screw up like that, but Jane grew up in "but her emails!" culture.

[Karen885]

Patrick has annoyed me since vis first episode.  Surely there is a better way to support women in the workplace then pulling your pants down and yelling "the only difference between us is this".

He seemed to be unraveling a little bit in yesterday's episode.  I was expecting it to come out that he was the one who fell for the phising email and was the reason they got hacked.  

[sashayshante]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I admit, I like Patrick and what he brings to the show. Its nice to have a boss who isnt just the most perfect most wonderful person ever like Jacqueline or mustache twirling "we only care about the bottom line" people

I enjoy Patrick because he doesn't put up with Jane's shit. I want to see a female boss tell her to knock off her pouty entitlement and get it together. I'd respect Jacqueline if she said that. Instead, we get "Sorry, you can't have your job back because you need a time out  to grow and learn and stuff. Come back in two weeks, tho" Patrick is the boss Jane needs at this stage of her career. Jacqueline's hand holding i- besides being completely unrealistic - only further spoils Jane.

Edited May 8, 2019 by sashayshante

[ZuluQueenOfDwarves]

Patrick referred to himself as not having a boyfriend or a girlfriend in high school, so I definitely think he’s bi. 

[gesundheit]

2 minutes ago, sashayshante said:

I enjoy Patrick because he doesn't put up with Jane's shit. I want to see a female boss tell her to knock off her pouty entitlement and get it together. I'd respect Jacqueline if she said that. Instead, we get 'sorry, you can have your job back because you need a time out  to grow and learn and stuff. Come back in two weeks, tho" Patrick is the boss Jane needs at this stage of her career. Jacqueline's hand holding i- besides being completely unrealistic - only further spoils Jane.

Yep. I love Jacqueline but she is Jane's biggest and worst enabler. It gets old.

[tennisgurl]

1 hour ago, luckyroll3 said:

Also, also, why is she talking shit about her boss on the company email?!?  That's what text messages are for.  Ah, just shut up Jane!

I know right?!? Who talks shit on their company email, shouldn't she know better?! Even without a hacker, those can get out, even accidentally! You trash talk through text, or in person, no paper trail Jane! Obviously! 

Jane really needs more people to tell her to back down and knock her massive entitlement off. Everyone in her life just feeds her ego, and as annoying as Patrick can be, he does push her and does not just let her do whatever she wants. 

[HeySandyStrange]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

And a lot of it did seem true to life, with Richards older friends sounding condescending towards Sutton, and Sutton getting defensive about her life in New York, even if it was well meant or understandable

To be fair, Sutton, Kat and especially annoying ass Jane we're pretty condescending towards Richard's friends suburban lives in Connecticut, as if there is no life worthwhile if it isn't focused on living in a concrete jungle and a career. 

Instead of hoping her straight acquaintances will find her so sexy and amazing that they will turn for her, Kat needs to hang out with actual lesbians and bisexual ladies. 

[Guest]

On 5/8/2019 at 5:37 PM, HeySandyStrange said:

Instead of hoping her straight acquaintances will find her so sexy and amazing that they will turn for her, Kat needs to hang out with actual lesbians and bisexual ladies. 

I once saw a post that said "It's 2019, time to stop falling for straight girls and fall for lesbian and bi women who just don't like you," and it spoke to me as a bisexual woman who has been trying unsuccessfully to date women for years LOL. I've never had a crush on a straight girl, they reject me for reasons totally unrelated to orientation. 😛

It's very weird that they're basically doing a role reversal of the Kat/Adena storyline when Kat's entire plot last year was about her having a Magical Gaydar that could seduce women on the spot and being flooded with vag pics on dating apps at 10am. Apparently her dating options have really dwindled since that lesbian bar closed. Also, I guess I should've realized it before now, but if you think about it's incredibly inappropriate and unprofessional to be making romantic advances towards your political campaign manager and saying things like "I know you thought this was a fundraiser, but it's a date! What do you mean you're not interested? You've obviously been flirting with me." Being a social media manager for a major publication, she should recognize that that shit would get her #MeToo-ed within 24 hours. But because Kat's young, hot, and queer, it's fine! Tia was also portrayed as cold and dickish basically for being straight, which was certainly… a choice.

Patrick is indeed bisexual, and now that you guys mention it, I would actually be here for a Patrick/Jane hook up. Imagine the hate sex! Sure he's entitled obnoxious and thinks the world revolves around himself and his experiences, but all of those things could also describe Jane. I agree with the poster above who said that Patrick is the only one who doesn't baby Jane or exacerbate her unbearable Mary Sue-ness. Pinstripe is bland as hell. It would be interesting to see the "rivalry/conflict as a cover up for sexual tension" trope play out as simple resentment that had nothing to do with secretly being attracted to the person, but rather was just burning hatred that accidentally turned into sex. But, Patrick seems to be there as the token queer male character, so like Kat, we probably won't see him in any heterosexual liaisons.

Why do they think anyone cares about Richard and Sutton in general, much less contrived suburban tensions? Sutton basically wants a sugar daddy and ego boost of banging her superior. I don't get why either of them are shocked that they're on different timelines to have kids with a 14 year age gap. 

[Kate213]

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