Station 19 - General Discussion

[KaveDweller]

Was this the season finale?

The charges against Andy being dropped felt anti-climactic. 

Maya was pretty obnoxious in this episode. Don't "jokingly" tell the immigration official you want to become a human trafficker. It was especially tacky when you consider that Karina's brother died while trying to save someone from human trafficking. Also, she should own the fact that she got demoted for disobeying orders because she tried to save a kid's life and stop just blaming sexism. Even if the old chief was sexist, that doesn't excuse blackmailing the chief for a job. She never really earned the captain job in the first place, she got it because Sullivan and Pruitt were trying to protect Andy.

Travis has no shot at winning as an independent. What country does he think he's in?

I thought Jack was spending the episode thinking how he wanted to have a kid, so I'm not sure what is up with him taking off.

[possibilities]

Travis doesn't want to be mayor. He just wants to siphon enough votes away from Dixon so Dixon doesn't become mayor.

[KaveDweller]

23 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Travis doesn't want to be mayor. He just wants to siphon enough votes away from Dixon so Dixon doesn't become mayor.

But he won't siphon away votes from Dixon. He'll siphon votes away from the democrat candidate making it easier for Dixon to win. Unless he pretends to be more conservative than he is, but I don't see him pulling that off. 

[possibilities]

Yeah, I don't know how it can work, either. 

[FnkyChkn34]

I think Jack was thinking about his own parents and not having a family growing up, as well as maybe wanting a child of his own. I don't understand where he took off to at the end. 

[possibilities]

I think he was trying to get out of there before he had a meltdown. You could see the stress building up as he was seeing happy families all day long and stewing in his own grief and abandonment issues. 

He may also be going specifically to somewhere else, but quitting his job and pealing out of there without a good-bye reeks of panic/meltdown/breakdown behavior.

I hope he's not driving himself off a cliff or into a wall. The only other thing I can think of would be going to his birth family, which would probably also be a bad idea. 

The saddest part is that he does have people who love him and want him now, but he's pushing them away because he doesn't believe it. Trauma re-enactment.

[Crashcourse]

Maya was so obnoxious that, on the one hand, I actually felt sorry for Carina because I thought Maya would blow up the hearing; on the other hand, I wanted Carina to be deported because I don't want to see her anymore.   

Travis:  Just because you're pissed off at Dixon doesn't mean you're qualified to be mayor of Seattle.  The best thing would have been to back Dixon's opponent and get other FDs involved in the campaign.     

[amarante]

58 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Maya was so obnoxious that, on the one hand, I actually felt sorry for Carina because I thought Maya would blow up the hearing; on the other hand, I wanted Carina to be deported because I don't want to see her anymore.   

Travis:  Just because you're pissed off at Dixon doesn't mean you're qualified to be mayor of Seattle.  The best thing would have been to back Dixon's opponent and get other FDs involved in the campaign.     

Not only is he not competent but he would guarantee a win for Dixon as he would split the ticket.

That is essentially how Gore lost in 2000 when Ralph Nader running on the Green Party siphoned off enough votes in critical states to ensure Bush's election - and of course a court that was friendly to Bush helped in the end also.

It is always better to hold your nose if necessary and vote for the * Party because otherwise all important work in committees and all kinds of stuff like judicial nominations are controlled by the party whose policies you absolutely detest.

[tennisgurl]

Maya was so obnoxious in this episode, even before she resorted to blackmail to get her old job back, joking about being a human trafficker is not something you want to say around an immigration official, especially when your trying to get your wife a green card. Yes its a lot of ridiculous questions, but just shut up and answer them like everyone else so your wife can stop having to stress about this. She also should have said she was demoted because she tried to go against policy to save a kid instead of blaming it on sexism and homophobia. She also has a very selective memory about her time as captain, I remember her being pretty bad at it even before she got demoted. 

I have less than zero interest in watching Travis run for mayor. Not only is it going to be a long boring subplot with no life saving or fire fighting where we're stuck with Dixon for even longer, but Travis running as an independent is just a stupid idea if he wants to stop Dixon from being the mayor. Unless he can pretend to more conservative than he really is, which I highly doubt he can pull off, he's just going siphon more votes that could go to Dixon's opponent, whoever that is, and could lead to his victory. What is Travis's fake platform even going to be? "I hate Dixon"? What's he going to do if, in a case of TV fantasy, he actually wins? The city will be stuck with an incompetent mayor who not only has no real ideas for what he wants to do to help the city, but only ran in the first place because he hates his ex boyfriends dad? 

Andy's case being dropped was rather anticlimactic, but they probably wanted their recent fighting the system story to be done in time for Travis to run for mayor, which is too bad because I thought her story was much more compelling than Travis running for mayor. 

Jack looked like he was on the verge of a total meltdown, I am guessing him running away and quitting is just something he's doing in a panic, he just had to get away. I hope that Andy can find him soon, he seems to be about his have a breakdown and I'm worried that he could do something to hurt himself. 

[RedbirdNelly]

I struggle to think of storylines I'm less interested in than a mayor campaign. i hope we time hop next year and it's over. Dixon has lost; some decent person won who isn't Travis.

Maya was the absolute worst in this episode.

[txhorns79]

So I've just started watching this show, and I had a question.  How old is Captain Herrera supposed to be?  He seems way too old to still be an active firefighter.  It was striking to me that the people in the running to replace him from the Station are probably 30-40 years younger than he is.

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m not sure how this show evaded me.  It looks like a good series.  I just noticed it as I was looking at the fall line up for ABC.  ABC doesn’t have an impressive weeknight lineup, imo.  This show and The Good Doctor are about it. And the Good Doctor has some issues too.  I may check out Station 19.  

[Lady Calypso]

So, I watched the premiere and....yeah, still as bad as I remember it. There's just so much that didn't make sense.

That tornado was laughable. A little bit of wind, some things tossed around, including one single car for some reason?!?! It didn't seem anything more than a little wind. Their budget must have been slashed for Grey's this year. 

Travis running for mayor is still one of the stupidest storylines ever. First off, he wouldn't still be a firefighter and running a campaign that easily. He would need to choose one or the other because campaigning is legit a full time job. My dad runs campaigns for mayors and councillors in our area; it's more time consuming than anything. And also, WHO has interest in Travis becoming mayor, ENSURING he definitely needs to quit his job AND having a stupid political storyline on a show about firefighters? This is stupid, let Travis AND Dixon lose to whoever their third candidate is, and then kill Dixon off in a fire.

They've definitely turned Maya into a villain, didn't they? Blackmailing the Chief, having her not tell Carina in any way, having Sullivan, of all people, bemoan to her about morals and values or whatever? It's not that I think Maya is right, but I don't know why they've turned her back into her early series character. 

Also, Carina was a bit of a dick with her hormones. I hope this is the last we get of Hormonal Carina. 

Apparently, we ALSO missed some time gaps where Jack was a dick to everyone and leaving almost all of them to give up on him after giving him sympathy, because boy, were people cruel toward Jack. Yes, he WAS a dick, but he's spiraling for a reason and only Andy and maybe Vic, for some reason, showed any sort of sympathy. 

Am I still going to watch? Probably, I've invested five years already into this show, what's another year? Am I going to complain about it? That's a yes.

[KaveDweller]

10 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

They've definitely turned Maya into a villain, didn't they? Blackmailing the Chief, having her not tell Carina in any way, having Sullivan, of all people, bemoan to her about morals and values or whatever? It's not that I think Maya is right, but I don't know why they've turned her back into her early series character. 

Maya's blackmailing the Chief was awful, and I was shocked when I realized Carina didn't even know. One thing I was confused about though, Sullivan and Maya were talking like Maya was wrong and they weren't sleeping together. But I could swear I remember that they were actually having sex. So am I wrong or are they gaslighting Maya?

[Lady Calypso]

21 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

Maya's blackmailing the Chief was awful, and I was shocked when I realized Carina didn't even know. One thing I was confused about though, Sullivan and Maya were talking like Maya was wrong and they weren't sleeping together. But I could swear I remember that they were actually having sex. So am I wrong or are they gaslighting Maya?

Sullivan/Ross were definitely sleeping together. They were pretty much in a relationship at that point.

[txhorns79]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:33 AM, Lady Calypso said:

Travis running for mayor is still one of the stupidest storylines ever. First off, he wouldn't still be a firefighter and running a campaign that easily. He would need to choose one or the other because campaigning is legit a full time job. My dad runs campaigns for mayors and councillors in our area; it's more time consuming than anything. And also, WHO has interest in Travis becoming mayor, ENSURING he definitely needs to quit his job AND having a stupid political storyline on a show about firefighters? This is stupid, let Travis AND Dixon lose to whoever their third candidate is, and then kill Dixon off in a fire.

It's very stupid.  I don't understand who his supporters would be, and how he wouldn't essentially just be a spoiler for the major party candidate who shares similar positions (or at least the ones you'd think Travis would support if he took any positions). 

On 10/7/2022 at 8:33 AM, Lady Calypso said:

That tornado was laughable. A little bit of wind, some things tossed around, including one single car for some reason?!?! It didn't seem anything more than a little wind. Their budget must have been slashed for Grey's this year. 

I was confused at how a tornado that was strong enough to pick up a car and dump it elsewhere did little more than knock over some backyard furniture and leave some minor debris on the street.

[tennisgurl]

Travis running for mayor continues to be one of the stupidest plots this show has ever had, and that's on a show that just had a five second tornado out of nowhere that only affected one car and one political get together. I assume the only real reason the embarrassingly cheap looking tornado happened was so that Travis could look cool to give his "campaign" a boost, although I am not sure how being a first responder translates to being a good mayor. Its cool that he can save this woman's life, but what can you do know about zoning laws? This whole thing is so dumb, how does Travis even have the time to run a mayoral campaign while also being a full time firefighter? How does he even think that this will stop Dixon? 

Who am I supposed to be rooting for between Sullivan and Maya? The guy having an inappropriate relationship with his superior and lying about it or the woman blackmailing him? Maya especially is really getting written as a villain, she's blackmailing people for a promotion, she's lying to and manipulating her wife, she endlessly plays the victim card, is Carina really sure she wants to have a baby with this person?

I have actually come to like Carina alright, but hormones Carina is a real pain in the ass. Still more likable than Maya though, at least she has a bit of an excuse. 

Poor Jack, he really is spiraling if he's back with the messy widow again and is lying to everyone. I get why everyone is annoyed at him for lying, but everyone was pretty unnecessarily mean to him when they found him in the house, except for Andy and Vic to a lesser extent. At least Andy wants to help him, I do really like their friendship a lot and I'm glad she's trying to be there for him as he unpacks this huge thing that he's dealing with.

[possibilities]

Maya is not right to attempt blackmail and lie to her wife, but I don't think she's wrong to be outraged and I don't think she's a total a villain. She's not wrong about the sexism and double standards in the department and I can't stand Robert and he's done way worse than she has (such as getting the surgical program cancelled due to his drug stealing) and is now for the second time we know of in a romantic relationship that fits the pattern of boss/subordinate. And yes, she defied the order of a superior officer, but that has been done plenty of times on this show and somehow Maya is the one who gets punished for it.

I like this show a lot more than most people seem to, but I totally agree that the Travis political campaign is stupid. I don't understand how splitting the vote by running as an independent is supposed to prevent heinous father of his ex from winning. I don't understand what they are trying to do with this storyline. If they really wanted to defeat the guy, they should endorse his opponent, who as far as I can remember, we have never even learned the name of. Surely if Travis is running as an Independent, there are at least two other candidates running. 

[RoxiP]

There's a good reason for Travis's run for the mayoral position - that way Shonda Rhimes can use this medium to spread her political views during an election seeason.  I suspect that after November the storyline will be wrapped up.

[possibilities]

But Travis isn't taking any position on issues, so I don't know what political point of view he's spreading.

[Rae Spellman]

On 10/7/2022 at 4:11 PM, KaveDweller said:

One thing I was confused about though, Sullivan and Maya were talking like Maya was wrong and they weren't sleeping together. But I could swear I remember that they were actually having sex. So am I wrong or are they gaslighting Maya?

Sullivan and Ross were together. Robert suggested that Maya could have gone to HR if she was so certain that something improper was going on. But, Maya didn't have proof. She never blackmailed the others who slept with superiors or subordinates. Also, she accused Ross of more than just sleeping Sullivan. Maya assumed that her career was suffering because of Sullivan and Ross' relationship. The evidence didn't really support that. Sullivan and Ross don't owe it to the blackmailer to acknowledge the parts of the story she got correct. Now if HR asks, that's a different story.

On 10/11/2022 at 11:47 AM, tennisgurl said:

Who am I supposed to be rooting for between Sullivan and Maya? The guy having an inappropriate relationship with his superior and lying about it or the woman blackmailing him? Maya especially is really getting written as a villain, she's blackmailing people for a promotion, she's lying to and manipulating her wife, she endlessly plays the victim card, is Carina really sure she wants to have a baby with this person?

I don't particularly care for Sullivan or Bishop. But, if being with Sullivan makes Natasha Ross happy, I'm fine with it. Andy, Maya, Vic, Jack, Theo, Ripley, and Emmett all slept with other firefighter colleagues, some of whom were their subordinates or superiors at the time. So, why can't Natasha find comfort in Robert, a guy she knew before becoming chief?

[KaveDweller]

4 hours ago, Rae Spellman said:

Sullivan and Ross were together. Robert suggested that Maya could have gone to HR if she was so certain that something improper was going on. But, Maya didn't have proof. She never blackmailed the others who slept with superiors or subordinates. Also, she accused Ross of more than just sleeping Sullivan. Maya assumed that her career was suffering because of Sullivan and Ross' relationship. The evidence didn't really support that. Sullivan and Ross don't owe it to the blackmailer to acknowledge the parts of the story she got correct. Now if HR asks, that's a different story.

Oh, I agree Maya is terrible. I just also think Sullivan is also terrible.

Ross I like, and I don't think she was being sexist by not promoting Maya.

[jcbrown]

Is it just me or did absolutely nothing happen in this episode other than I now dislike Maya more and think the childishness of the gossip-crazed crew is ridiculous?

[DearEvette]

Man that was a bitch ass move by Maya.  Sure Beckett is a bully but she deliberately fucked with his sobriety which goes beyond a personality or professional clash.  I never liked her all that much but this makes me despise her and I don't even like Beckett.

[Crashcourse]

Beckett is your typical asshole boss but I don't think the firefighters mind it, they just ignore him when they can.  Maya, on the other hand, is a first-class bitch and I think the other firefighters are glad she's not their boss.  

I really hope that Beckett has enough resolve to throw that liquor bottle away, or better yet, give it back to Maya in front of the other firefighters and tell her "Thanks, but no thanks."

And speaking of bitches, it was totally unprofessional for Carina to be stomping around yelling at Jack and the intern in the hospital, especially when other patients and staff could hear her.  I wish she and Maya would just go away because I cannot stand either one of them.  

The whole gossip story was stupid. 

[KaveDweller]

16 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Is it just me or did absolutely nothing happen in this episode other than I now dislike Maya more and think the childishness of the gossip-crazed crew is ridiculous?

Very little happened and I totally agree about Maya AND the childish gossip. Maya seems to be spiraling.

I did think Andy acted maturely and kindly. She showed again she's be a good leader.

The episode did make me feel bad for Jack. First he finds out that his birth parents had a bunch of kids after they gave him up, and then he finds out his foster sibling doesn't even remember him. That is really rough. And if Karina would stop yelling all the time I would think they'd be a better couple than Karina and Maya (and I believe Karina is bi so it could happen). 

[txhorns79]

8 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

And speaking of bitches, it was totally unprofessional for Carina to be stomping around yelling at Jack and the intern in the hospital, especially when other patients and staff could hear her.  

In fairness, behaving unprofessionally is kind of par for the course on Station 19 and Grey's. 

I'll admit I laughed when Travis asked Vic what other gay men she knew to set him up with, and her response was: "Your dad?"   

[possibilities]

Vic being schmoopy in her relationship makes me worry they're going to kill the guy. It would be her third marriage, right? Where the guy died? And she's happiest in this one, and on this show that can't possibly last, can it? It makes me tense just watching their happy scenes.

Is Carina bi? Someone up thread said so, but I think it's Maya who's bi. I could be wrong.

[KaveDweller]

1 hour ago, possibilities said:

Vic being schmoopy in her relationship makes me worry they're going to kill the guy. It would be her third marriage, right? Where the guy died? And she's happiest in this one, and on this show that can't possibly last, can it? It makes me tense just watching their happy scenes.

Is Carina bi? Someone up thread said so, but I think it's Maya who's bi. I could be wrong.

Who was Vic married to besides Ripley? I don't remember that.

Karina and Maya are both bi. Karina slept with Owen when she was on Grey's Anatomy.

[tennisgurl]

On 10/15/2022 at 12:31 AM, txhorns79 said:

I'll admit I laughed when Travis asked Vic what other gay men she knew to set him up with, and her response was: "Your dad?"   

That actually was funny, one of the few times lately that the show has made me unironically laugh. I also laughed at the whole bit with the lady enthusiastically telling Travis that she has a gay grandson and then trying to set them up because he needs a husband if he wants to go into politics.

Is no one else running for Mayor besides Dixon and Travis? I guess the people of Seattle are going to be stuck with either Dixon, a total prick, or Travis, who knows nothing about being mayor or how to help Seattle and is only running to spite Dixon. 

I don't even like Beckett, he's an asshole, but Maya trying to mess with his sobriety is a really shitty thing to do to a person. Why do so many people on this show suck so much? 

I don't like mean Carina, although at least she ended up showing some empathy to Jack by the end, who is clearly having an awful time of it. Poor guy, just after he finds out that his biological parents stayed together and had tons of kids who had wonderful childhoods, he finds out that the foster sibling he could find doesn't remember him. 

[Crashcourse]

42 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Why do so many people on this show suck so much? 

I wonder that myself.  Do the writers think that's enjoyable to watch?

I do think Maya is the worst, followed by Dixon. 

[KaveDweller]

4 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I don't like mean Carina, although at least she ended up showing some empathy to Jack by the end, who is clearly having an awful time of it. Poor guy, just after he finds out that his biological parents stayed together and had tons of kids who had wonderful childhoods, he finds out that the foster sibling he could find doesn't remember him. 

It occurred to me that Jack should really meet up with Jo from Grey's Anatomy. They are always doing crossovers and her character could use a good storyline. She had a similar downward spiral when she tracked down her birth mom and found out she was the result of rape. So she may be able to relate to Jack's issues more than most people.

[anna0852]

They did meet briefly a couple of seasons ago. For some reason Jo was tapped to retrieve a baby that had been safe dropped at the fire station. 

[possibilities]

TV always forgets that support and affinity groups exist, and it's not usually that hard to find a group of people who share your experience, or something similar. But they like to write about downward spirals and people who are alone, so they will never have Jack find anyone else in the whole entire world who's been through what he's been through. It's frustrating. 

Maya giving that booze as a gift was really bad. I have been more patient with her than most people have been, but that was really too far.

Please, no more Grey's cross-overs. I freaking hate Greys and every time they sucker me into watching a cross-over, I hate it even more.

Edited October 20, 2022 by possibilities

[readster]

13 hours ago, possibilities said:

Maya giving that booze as a gift was really bad. I have been more patient with her than most people have been, but that was really too far.

Yeah, just keeps pointing out the captain is going to get them all killed. That Sully was right about everything and he is just good at hiding the booze and avoiding drug tests because "he knows people". Yeah, not to seem cliche, but really why isn't Andi captain? Oh right. Reasons. 

[txhorns79]

On 10/20/2022 at 1:49 PM, readster said:

Yeah, not to seem cliche, but really why isn't Andi captain? Oh right. Reasons. 

I think Andi isn't captain because she's immature, arrogant and belligerent.  Look at this last episode.  Beckett gave her a reasonable command  for her to stop wasting water on the battery fire because it was better to let it burn itself out.  Instead of following her superior's order, Andi argued with him, ignored his order and they essentially had to turn the water off to get her to stop. 

And seriously, is Travis' entire campaign apparatus, just he and Vic?  It's ridiculous. 

[possibilities]

I like that the show is at least trying to talk about emotional abuse and take it seriously. Recently three different shows I watch have been playing emotional abuse for laughs, and it's really disturbing. So to come to Station 19 and see it taken seriously is a bit of a relief. I was starting to think that everyone thinks absolutely horrible behavior is actually cute.

[readster]

10 hours ago, possibilities said:

I like that the show is at least trying to talk about emotional abuse and take it seriously. Recently three different shows I watch have been playing emotional abuse for laughs, and it's really disturbing. So to come to Station 19 and see it taken seriously is a bit of a relief. I was starting to think that everyone thinks absolutely horrible behavior is actually cute.

No kidding, I mean the Dixon's are the textbook example of a toxic marriage. Sadly, we see those marriages almost celebrated in both politics and entertainment. I mean after getting the entire backstory of everything, now the Dixon family issues make plenty of sense. Of course you have to love the entire: "He was my rebel stage and I could sink his campaign in 2 seconds but... oh so sexy when he talks about sticking it to the common people. Oh rich life is so much better!" I mean the two of them, the world be a better place if she accidently caused a fire and they went up in flames. 

[possibilities]

I thought they were also showing the situation Jack is in to be abusive. The way she was berating him was really extreme.

[readster]

23 hours ago, possibilities said:

I thought they were also showing the situation Jack is in to be abusive. The way she was berating him was really extreme.

Considering the woman he is with has been toxic for years. That that same woman got her former husband killed because he was so pissed off at Jack. The fact she has now fallen into a drunken stupior who is using her family's money to keep her bills paid and the life insurance from him dying. I mean when she said: "He would have fixed the roof that moment." I'm like STFU, you cowardly bitch. I really do hate the fact we have these people who others just do what they say just because "damn they are good at sex" or I get off a feeling of feeling "special". What's wrong with the world today we put these people up on pedistals and they are sad, spoiled people who really cold OD tomorrow and you be like: "What I see in them?

[tennisgurl]

The chain of command is clearly something that happens to other people on this show, I know that Beckett is a total dick, but going against his orders just because she's annoyed with him is so not alright. Its too bad, Andi is a character I have come to like a lot more than when the show started, but she took a real turn there. 

I liked the theme of emotional abuse and dysfunction and how damaging that can be, even if the abuse isn't physical. You have the car guy who was clearly emotionally abusive towards his son, the toxic mess that is the Dixon's marriage, and Jack being with that awful widow again. Jack cannot tell her to kick rocks soon enough, its sad seeing him fall into bad habits again, he always ends up with women who he knows are going to treat him badly or aren't that into him. The one time he was in a relationship with a nice woman who really liked him, he left her at least partially because he couldn't handle being in a healthy relationship. 

So if Dixon quits the race, and Travis quits because he's just running to spite Dixon, who's left? Is there really no other candidate? Voters can only choose between asshole Dixon and Travis, a man with a campaign team of one that has no knowledge or interest in actually being mayor? 

[KaveDweller]

4 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

So if Dixon quits the race, and Travis quits because he's just running to spite Dixon, who's left? Is there really no other candidate? Voters can only choose between asshole Dixon and Travis, a man with a campaign team of one that has no knowledge or interest in actually being mayor? 

There must be another candidate. Dixon is running as a republican and Travis is running as an independent. There's gotta be someone running as a democrat.

[readster]

On 10/25/2022 at 6:34 PM, KaveDweller said:

There must be another candidate. Dixon is running as a republican and Travis is running as an independent. There's gotta be someone running as a democrat.

No always. There have been  candidates that drop off or have no one to run against. Many city officials can run unopposed. 

[KaveDweller]

1 hour ago, readster said:

No always. There have been  candidates that drop off or have no one to run against. Many city officials can run unopposed. 

Yeah, but Seattle is a pretty liberal city so I can't imagine the democratic party couldn't find someone to run in that slot.

I looked it up. Seattle hasn't had a Republican mayor since the 1960s. Or an independent one. 

[Lady Calypso]

So, Sullivan/Ross' storyline last night bored me to tears. Luckily, I got home later and taped the show, so I could fast forward through their scenes once I realized I didn't care enough about their drama to watch. I figured they were secretly sleeping together again as soon as Sullivan mentioned going on a trip with a lady friend. Otherwise, don't really care if they get caught or not. Yeah, Ross was right in that she'll face more heat (especially as a woman, regardless of her being Sullivan's boss, technically, she would always face more heat) but at the same time...yeah, she IS his superior and she SHOULD face more heat as his superior.

Jack and Maya's storylines started off well but their endings left much to be desired. It's good to see her spiral, and see Carina acknowledge that. It was nice to see Andy admit that Maya tends to pull away and she's learned not to push too hard. But was the ending seemed more open ended. Has Maya figured out she needs help with her breakdown or not? I did like Maya's shower scene. It was very well acted.

I was thrilled to see Theo be the one to stand up for Maya. Nobody else seems to be when it comes to Beckett, and especially with Theo's past, it makes sense for him to (on top of him being an outsider, it provides a different context). 

As for Jack's storyline, it WAS very well done and very well acted. I hated Rigo in season 3, but his guest appearance here was very well done. It went a bit darker than I thought they'd go. They've had Jack's spiral bordering on the light-hearted side, almost as if they're afraid to go TOO dark, but I think his particular story, as well as Maya's, requires them to hit rock bottom and go darker. Jack has a lot of shit to figure out and seeing as his subconscious, through Rigo, was basically unravelling the self-hatred he has for himself, it won't be so easy to undo all of that, not unless they follow through in some aspects.

So his ending ALSO felt a bit anticlimatic, in ways. I am glad to see the Jack/Pru hug, but it doesn't mean his issues are over. So not sure where Jack's story goes from here as he hasn't hit any sort of revelation to help him start healing. 

So, Andy seems to have a potential new love interest in British Campaign Manager, or Future Campaign Manager. Interesting, and I guess better than any of the men she's dated/slept with. It'll be good for her to have a romantic relationship outside of the fire station.

[Crashcourse]

I don't think I paid much attention in Season 3 because I forgot who Rigo was.

Sullivan and Ross were boring and watching them in bed just made me itchy.

I don't care that much about Maya but I do hope she gets help.  It was nice to see Jack back in the firehouse, and I hope he gets help, too.

Don't care about Andy and British guy if they hook up.

Ben cracked me up when he was lying on the floor and he punked Beckett.  That was the best part of the episode for me. 🤣

[SilverLake0315]

They’ve taken Maya too far down the bad road for me. I no longer care about her and wouldn’t miss her if she left. 

[possibilities]

I was annoyed about Andy trying to shut down the offer of a campaign manager for Travis. Does he want to win or not? Is it his choice who to hire, or not? If Vic wants him to win, she also should be open to taking advice if the new guy makes sense. 

I honestly don't get what the show wants to have happen here. Do they really want Travis to leave the station and be Mayor? What is the point of all of this?

I think the crew showing up last episode to help with the house repair might have sparked at least a tiny flicker in Jack. Not enough to get him out of his depression, but I don't think he'd have rallied this week if that hadn't happened. I think that when he started to hallucinate, he'd have just collapsed further into his despair and probably would have overdosed or something like that. His hallucination advice was more like how his station mates talk to him than how Rigo ever did.

Theo speaking up was a relief. I don't think Maya is all wrong, but she was shutting out people who are on her side. I think it helped to have Theo acknowledge her in public a bit. She's been getting criticized, but she needs someone to stand up for her also.

Sullivan and Chief what's her name may be legitimately in love and compatible, or it might just be a bubble that bursts when things get real. But, either way, hiding is not going to end well. I generally like her and dislike him, but I thought they were both wrong in their argument about secrecy. He's being an asshole to not care what happens to her career. She's got to look seriously at how dating a subordinate is legitimately trouble, and trying to hide it doesn't make it better. 

What idiots play with fire in a place full of hay? What idiots run a place like that with flaming torches where any idiot could grab them?

Edited October 29, 2022 by possibilities

[txhorns79]

2 hours ago, possibilities said:

I think the crew showing up last episode to help with the house repair might have sparked at least a tiny flicker in Jack.

I just really want him to wash his hair.  It looked like a gross mess, and I wouldn't be surprised if we were told he hadn't bathed in weeks. 

[Lady Calypso]

10 hours ago, possibilities said:

I was annoyed about Andy trying to shut down the offer of a campaign manager for Travis. Does he want to win or not? Is it his choice who to hire, or not? If Vic wants him to win, she also should be open to taking advice if the new guy makes sense. 

Well, the answer to that has continuously been a solid "no" from Travis. He HAS said he doesn't want to win, he just want to get enough votes to get Dixon to lose. And, honestly, I hope he sticks by that because Travis HAS to realize that him winning means he has to quit his job. 

That being said, Travis DOES need a better campaign manager to ensure he gets more votes than he probably does have; Vic isn't cutting it.