Carole Radziwill: She's a Real Princess!

[Lisin]

@Stinger97 here's the brief recap of #bookgate (ugh)... in the first episode Carole and Aviva go to lunch, Aviva announces she wrote a book, Carole doesn't respond by screaming "How Wonderful" but asks some questions and talks about writing a memoir, Aviva says it was "fun" and "easy" and "like writing a long email" Carole then asks her if she had a ghostwriter. Aviva says no, and then invents the phrase that "It takes a village to write a book. Aviva spends the remaining episode and the next one telling anyone who will listen that Carole's first book, the memoir, was ghostwritten. Carole flips her shit on Aviva at Aviva's housewarming party and they fight about it for another few episodes. Everyone has an opinion. It draws out way to long. Nothing is resolved. 

[Stinger97]

...and they fight about it for another few episodes. Everyone has an opinion. It draws out way to long. Nothing is resolved. 

 

Sounds like just about every situation to ever occur on an RHoXX season! Thanks for the history lesson, @Lisin!

[sasha206]

Carole didn't hook up with any Kennedys.  She was married to Anthony Radziwill, who's mother Lee Radziwill was Jackie Kennedy's Onassis' sister.  Anthony and JFK Jr. were very, very close, and Carole became good friends with Carolyn Besette Kennedy, JFK Jr's wife. 

So yes, her connection to the rest of the Kennedys IS tenuous -- and I don't think she's ever claimed to be super-close with them.  She mentioned in her Bravo blog that she saw some of them not too long ago at a wedding.  She does seem to be fairly close with her former mother-in-law.  She is a Radziwill (through marriage) not a Kennedy.   

 

The Radziwill name is apparently enough to give her the Kennedy mystique.  If she didn't have that name, I wonder how easily she'd get dates with a George Clooney or be friends with a Susan Sarandon.  She may have accomplished much prior to her marriage, but her claim to fame is that Kennedy connection.  We'd never know who she was without it.

[quaintirene]

I'm just catching up on the last few episodes. Has Carole been on some kind of crazy diet or something? It's not helpful. The skeletal appearance, the overbite and the eager expression are a bad combo. She's beginning to look like a stick insect about to eat lunch anytime she gets within 20' of a Ho'Husband. 'Avid' is too small a word.

[walnutqueen]

"stick insect"

 

I die.

[Sun-Bun]

Carole is an attractive lady sometimes, but I agree that she'd look so much younger and softer if she simply gained a few necessary pounds.

Based on the fact that she typically has nothing in her fridge but mixers for cocktails, I'm assuming she drinks most of her daily calories.

[Trooper York]

I thought she gained sustenance from devouring the souls of teenage surfing instructors.

[essexjan]

I highly recommend-to anyone- reading What Remains.  It's a beautiful book about an incredibly tragic marriage and loss.  I have to say that I have respect for Carole after reading what she went through, that woman has a spine of steel IMO.

 

 

I agree. I just finished reading the book. It's heartbreakingly sad and beautifully written. Having read it, I can understand to some extent her flakiness and the need to kick loose, although at her age she might be needing to rein it in a little now.

[quaintirene]

Is it Carole's turn for the bad edit? She's looking crazy and needy and not cool at all.

[Cheetosandchoc]

Slenderman

[ryebread]

At first I didn't see how you got 'Slenderman' when you look at Carole.  She's always reminded me of a cross between Munch's The Scream and a turtle.  But yeah, Slenderman is sort of Scream-ish. 

 

Is it Carole's turn for the bad edit? She's looking crazy and needy and not cool at all.

I think it is.   They can fast forward right to Heather's, though.  Carole is so bland. 

 

Heather's bad edit is going to be epic.

[quaintirene]

 

Heather's bad edit is going to be epic.

Yeah.  I'm thinking that will be next season.  If there is a next season.

[Cheetosandchoc]

I can see "the Scream" from Carole lol.

And yes, I think Heather will fall like a ton of bricks.

[LovetoSnark]

I have been so irritated with Carol since the " squirtting orgasm " statement at the Sex Museum. But I have to say all is forgiven Carol---- I love her blog this week. She wants George off the screen also and calls Aviva & Sonya out for their BS. Go girl!

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-gossips-liars-hypocrites

Edited June 11, 2014 by LovetoSnark

[Trooper York]

Poor Carole! I really feel bad for her. To find out she is sharing STD's with Sonja?

 

Holy cow! It is enough to make you take a bath in bleach or something. Poor kid.

[tulip555]

I thought she gained sustenance from devouring the souls of teenage surfing instructors.

LOL

At first I didn't see how you got 'Slenderman' when you look at Carole.  She's always reminded me of a cross between Munch's The Scream and a turtle.  But yeah, Slenderman is sort of Scream-ish. 

 

I think it is.   They can fast forward right to Heather's, though.  Carole is so bland. 

 

Heather's bad edit is going to be epic.

I agree...perfect comparison. Never could fathom the George Clooney connection

[Trooper York]

It was a Halloween thing. She was the closest thing he could get to a live skeleton.

[ryebread]

I'm thinking it was a 'figment of her imagination' thing.

[FozzyBear]

I'm thinking it was "a date" not that they "dated". Maybe a blind date or something. Clooney was 35ish before he really became famous. I could see the two of them getting set up when he was still a working actor (or early into ERs run) and Carol was working as a new producer.

[ryebread]

That's probably closer to the truth, Fozzy.

[Lola16]

I'm thinking it was "a date" not that they "dated". Maybe a blind date or something. Clooney was 35ish before he really became famous. I could see the two of them getting set up when he was still a working actor (or early into ERs run) and Carol was working as a new producer.

Or back in his Facts of Life days.

[FozzyBear]

Or back in his Facts of Life days.

Oh to have dated Clooney back in his magic mullet days!

Seriously, while Clooney doesn't talk about his personal life, he's not exactly shy about parading his latest companion around town. I've never heard a mention of the two of them anywhere other than TRHONY. I doubt it was more than a dinner once. I just love that for someone who doesn't care about impressing people, Carol made sure that the other housewives new she dated Clooney. (Massive eye roll).

[Trooper York]

It is kind of hard to believe. The only thing we can be sure that is dated is her look.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Trooper York

[walnutqueen]

I have been so irritated with Carol since the " squirtting orgasm " statement at the Sex Museum. But I have to say all is forgiven Carol---- I love her blog this week. She wants George off the screen also and calls Aviva & Sonya out for their BS. Go girl!

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-gossips-liars-hypocrites

 

When Carole's actions speak the same language as the words in some fucking blog, I'll reconsider my opinion that she is also a hypocrite.  As long as I see her grinning like Fire Marshall Bob at George's antics and engaging him in pervy talk whenever they meet, I see no reason to cut her any more slack than the rest of the enablers.

[Leroux]

When Carole's actions speak the same language as the words in some fucking blog, I'll reconsider my opinion that she is also a hypocrite.  As long as I see her grinning like Fire Marshall Bob at George's antics and engaging him in pervy talk whenever they meet, I see no reason to cut her any more slack than the rest of the enablers.

I agree.

She is giving me major Lisa V vibes, the way she acts is completely different to what she writes, her action do not match her words and IMO that only translates as an attempt to pander to viewers.

When I see Carole slapping that pervert in the face after one of his horrid comments then I will believe she is actually offended

[Mozelle]

Oh to have dated Clooney back in his magic mullet days!

Seriously, while Clooney doesn't talk about his personal life, he's not exactly shy about parading his latest companion around town. I've never heard a mention of the two of them anywhere other than TRHONY. I doubt it was more than a dinner once. I just love that for someone who doesn't care about impressing people, Carol made sure that the other housewives new she dated Clooney. (Massive eye roll).

Wasn't it Sonja who mentioned on air that Carole and a Clooney dated? It was in one of the St. Barth's episode, and Sonja said something like, "No wonder Clooney did her for a year." Given the gossipy facialist from the most recent episode, I can see how a rumor like that--perhaps on date, perhaps many dates--could balloon into something large.

[FozzyBear]

Wasn't it Sonja who mentioned on air that Carole and a Clooney dated? It was in one of the St. Barth's episode, and Sonja said something like, "No wonder Clooney did her for a year." Given the gossipy facialist from the most recent episode, I can see how a rumor like that--perhaps on date, perhaps many dates--could balloon into something large.

It was Sonjia. I think I just always assumed that Carol had told her. And if I recall correctly, it's been mentioned more than once and Carol's never done anything to dispel anyone of the idea that she and Clooney were a couple.

[tulip555]

It was Sonjia. I think I just always assumed that Carol had told her. And if I recall correctly, it's been mentioned more than once and Carol's never done anything to dispel anyone of the idea that she and Clooney were a couple.

Yep....I got the distinct impression they had been a couple l

[RedheadZombie]

I agree.

She is giving me major Lisa V vibes, the way she acts is completely different to what she writes, her action do not match her words and IMO that only translates as an attempt to pander to viewers.

When I see Carole slapping that pervert in the face after one of his horrid comments then I will believe she is actually offended

I've long compared Lisa to Carole. I think they are passive aggressive about saving their nasty comments to THs and blogs. I think they also respond to situations depending on who's current fan fave.

[quaintirene]

Carole is looking awfully pillow-faced in her THs.  I think she's been to Dr Needles for some synthetic youth and it really isn't working.  Her face looks like it was made from high-density foam.  It doesn't look that way in the show, where the main thing I notice is her over-eager overbite.  So I'm guessing she went off to fix herself between the action and the TH filming.  I wonder if they show them early edits and she took a look at herself, had a conniption and headed down to the surgery.

[aradia22]

Carole talking about Aviva: She talks about sexual stuff because she thinks it's provocative and it makes her interesting. She is not interesting. She is a thumping bore. She is not fooling anybody...

 

Pot, meet kettle.

[FozzyBear]

Carole talking about Aviva: She talks about sexual stuff because she thinks it's provocative and it makes her interesting. She is not interesting. She is a thumping bore. She is not fooling anybody...

Pot, meet kettle.

Oh that while conversation had me in stitches. Right down to the TH asserting that Sonja is one of those women who always needs attention. Oh Carol, come sit next to me while I tell you all about this river in Egypt...

[CousinAmy]

@quaintirene, I think they film some of the TH's with a fuzzy filter. I've noticed it with a few other Housewives from Hell.

I hate to be skinny-shaming, but her face would look more filled-out if she actually ate...um...a sandwich or something.

[Lola16]

@quaintirene, I think they film some of the TH's with a fuzzy filter. I've noticed it with a few other Housewives from Hell.

I hate to be skinny-shaming, but her face would look more filled-out if she actually ate...um...a sandwich or something.

According to people who saw the reunion being filmed, Carole's face is oddly poofed and not in a good way.  I'm picturing Renee Zelwigger (sp).

[tulip555]

I wonder why she never did anything about the overbite.

[iwasish]

I wonder why she never did anything about the overbite.

Because bad teeth are very Kennedy-esque?

I've always wondered why with all that money the Kennedy's had horrible teeth.

Yep....I got the distinct impression they had been a couple l

Or at least coupled.

[tulip555]

Because bad teeth are very Kennedy-esque?

I've always wondered why with all that money the Kennedy's had horrible teeth.

Or at least coupled.

lol...I never thought about that

[Persnickety1]

 

 

Because bad teeth are very Kennedy-esque?

I've always wondered why with all that money the Kennedy's had horrible teeth.

 

Except for JFK, Jr.

 

I had the most massive crush on that man and was just devastated when his plane went down.  I remember just sitting watching the live news coverage for hours (if not days) on end, hoping he'd somehow miraculously survived and would be found alive.

 

*sniffle*

[CousinAmy]

We (here on the North Shore of Long Island) heard helicopters overhead later that night and some people I know were outraged that government resources were being used for searching for a private citizen. 

[FozzyBear]

We (here on the North Shore of Long Island) heard helicopters overhead later that night and some people I know were outraged that government resources were being used for searching for a private citizen.

I'm assuming you're talking about the JFKjr plane crash.

Um what? Police searches are for private citizens pretty much all the time. That's sort of what police do: investigate and protect the general population...made up of private citizens. Who should have been looking for 3 missing persons?

[Souvlaki]

I like Carol, compared to some of the others she just doesn't bug me so much.   I can see others finding her to be a bore, yeah.  But one scene that always gets dismissed as Cool Carole being pretentious, etc, was her "I'm bored, feel like diving into the Ocean?  Like Jaws...dun dun..." scene before talking with Aviva and her sloppy sidekick.  I always perceived this as not her literally being so bored she wanted to dive into the sea, but being playful, and perhaps venting resentment to her friend in being 'coerced' by production to speak with Aviva, because it sure looked like she'd rather not at all, and becoming shark food, being thrown to the sharks, etc.  I immediately thought it a witty analogy/metaphor for her situation.  In the end matters were shockingly~ no better.  Or maybe she was just bored, who knows?  Just my take.

[jvr]

 

Who should have been looking for 3 missing persons?

 

Yea, I don't get that statement about government resources and private citizens either (are they only supposed to use our money to find politicians? Fuck that noise). The Coast Guard, U.S. Park Rangers, Search and Rescue teams and local authorities look for and rescue everyone in need of help off the shores and on land in the U.S. whether they are famous or not, citizen of any kind or not. Maybe these outraged people think the government (I'm guessing that excludes local authorities) should never help rescue or search for missing people?

 

The only thing up for debate for me is whether the search and rescue attempt for him (JFK Jr.) was about equal to any other 'private' citizen but outrage that they were looking at all on the first night? I perfectly remember after a few days the media discussion concerning when was the search and recovery going to end and if it was going beyond the search attempt that would be conducted for a regular person. 

 

Anyway I downloaded a free sample of Carole's book 'The Widow's Guide...' and I finished it and I am debating buying the book. It has an interesting start but didn't hook me. That's not an indicator for whether I would like or hate the rest though since it takes me a minute to get into the flow of a book especially after just finishing one right before, I have to get used to the prose/voice. It took me a second to get into 'What Remains' for the same reason and because it didn't start where I thought it would (at Anthony) but I of course loved it immensely and couldn't put it down. I'll probably download it later this week and if it's even half as good as ' What Remains' I'll be done in a few days and happy with the purchase.

[CousinAmy]

The man who said that to me was so far left, that he was even left of me, and his objection was that JFK Jr. was getting the "Royal Treatment." It's funny but he had been treated as the Prince of Camelot for so long that it was hard to realize that he really was just an ordinary citizen.

And this search was way beyond anything the government would do for me.

[LovetoSnark]

I just finished reading Carol's blog on the Montana trip. I may just have to buy one of her books as she made me laugh out loud when she wrote:

"So while Aviva dazzles you with Legionnaire's and asthma, I'm going to match her two respiratory conditions and raise her an emotional disorder. So back up bitches because here comes Munchausen! It's my all-time favorite syndrome.She has it, I'm positive. She gets attention from her medical ailments -- endless TV time to discuss her problems with cheery friends in ancient salted soaking tubs, and even to catatonic husbands in modern yellow-papered living rooms"

 

 I can only imagine Aviva grabbing her inhaler and huffing and puffing while she is telling Reese about the blog.

 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-montana-aint-for-p

[Mozelle]

I just finished reading Carol's blog on the Montana trip. I may just have to buy one of her books as she made me laugh out loud when she wrote:

"So while Aviva dazzles you with Legionnaire's and asthma, I'm going to match her two respiratory conditions and raise her an emotional disorder. So back up bitches because here comes Munchausen! It's my all-time favorite syndrome.She has it, I'm positive. She gets attention from her medical ailments -- endless TV time to discuss her problems with cheery friends in ancient salted soaking tubs, and even to catatonic husbands in modern yellow-papered living rooms"

 

 I can only imagine Aviva grabbing her inhaler and huffing and puffing while she is telling Reese about the blog.

 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-montana-aint-for-p

 

That paragraph was probably my favorite part of her blog. I keep meaning to check out What Remains from the library, and every time I read one of Carole's blogs, I'm reminded in the moment but then it slips my mind by the end of the day. I probably need to set a reminder on my phone or something. I kind of want to read The Widow's Guide as well, though I keep wondering how that would play out during my morning commute on the metro. Heh.

[jennylauren123]

I keep meaning to check out What Remains from the library, and every time I read one of Carole's blogs, I'm reminded in the moment but then it slips my mind by the end of the day.

 

Mozelle, What Remains really is a beautiful book, and beautifully written. Be prepared to cry a little. I highly recommend it.

[jvr]

Oh I cried at many different junctions in the book, it is intense yet so beautiful. I thought she was brutally honest and I had to take a breather at certain points and just reflect. There were many moments that stayed with me (between her and Anthony, her and Carolyn etc.) but what I got stuck on a few times and after finishing was how she described those moments with each doctor along the way. There was something about the interactions (how they spoke to her, helped or didn't help) from beginning to end that resonated with me. It might be that there was always a pivotal moment or dramatic swing in emotions or realization that occurred when interacting with them, she describes that emotional turbulence (or acceptance of what was to come) so well.

 

Oh and since we were talking about JFK Jr. a second ago I felt John didn't figure much in the book at all (imo) which was interesting to me since I'm sure a lot of people might have picked it up to read about him. He was in it of course but wasn't a pivotal figure, just a means to an end to introducing Carolyn into her life (though you could see that he played a big part in Anthony's life). It was so fascinating when Carolyn popped into existence so briefly when they first met then disappeared for a few years, I was anticipating her return lol. When Carolyn became a permanent fixture in John's life is when he became a permanent fixture in the book. The main characters were Carole, Anthony and then Carolyn...obviously the people that meant the most to her.

 

 

 

I kind of want to read The Widow's Guide as well, though I keep wondering how that would play out during my morning commute on the metro. Heh.

 

That's the beauty of ebooks (and a negative), no ones knows what you are reading. I resisted for a long time because I love the feel of holding a book (still do) but ebooks are far too convenient (I read on my phone a lot or my iPad) and I don't have to care what others think of my reading choices lol. It's becoming less and less frequent that I see someone with a real live book on the train that I can try and catch a peek at the title. Most libraries deal in ebooks and audio books now, I just looked at the website of the DC library near me and they have the ebook version of 'What Remains' but there is a waiting list of 7 people...'Widows Guide' isn't listed as available (they do have the physical book however), maybe in a few more months. 

Edited June 30, 2014 by jvr

[aradia22]

 

"So while Aviva dazzles you with Legionnaire's and asthma, I'm going to match her two respiratory conditions and raise her an emotional disorder. So back up bitches because here comes Munchausen! It's my all-time favorite syndrome.She has it, I'm positive. She gets attention from her medical ailments -- endless TV time to discuss her problems with cheery friends in ancient salted soaking tubs, and even to catatonic husbands in modern yellow-papered living rooms"

I mean, I know it's Aviva, but in the real world I would find Carole's behavior, and her delight over this nonprofessional diagnosis of her really revolting. As it stands, in the context of the show I find it mildly gross.

[FozzyBear]

I mean, I know it's Aviva, but in the real world I would find Carole's behavior, and her delight over this nonprofessional diagnosis of her really revolting. As it stands, in the context of the show I find it mildly gross.

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Yeah, I know what you mean. It's the same icky feeling I get when the real housewives from any city throw out "alcoholic" as a way to win an argument. It's not that I feel especially bad for anyone who chooses to be on this show (especially at this point! It's been about 10 years) but still...

[poppygibson]

Her blogs are always mean spirited.

She doesn't bother me on the show as I find her just as unremarkable as her blogs and book. I thought she was passionless in her marriage based on, "What Remains". She is bland yet tries very hard not to be. It must have been difficult as an extended member of the Kennedy clan. Trying to keep up with those shiny people must've been hard for her.