Yolanda Hadid: My Love, My Lemons, My Lyme Disease.

[AttackTurtle]

I believe LVP when she said she didn't want to discuss Yolanda, her kids, or Lyme disease. At the same time, I think it was damn near impossible for her to sit and listen to Yolanda's outburst; hence why Lisa brought up the contradictions in Yolanda's "journey". I hope she continues to stand up to Yolanda if we're going to be subjected to this storyline for the entire season.

[breezy424]

I can't help but think that Mohammad gave Lisa a different story than his 'statement'.  They are close.  He's godfather to Pandy.  But....given the circumstances I totally understood Lisa's frustration with Yo's lies and couldn't help herself at Kyle's barbecue.  She backtracked because after giving it some thought, realized that letting the cat out of the bag was probably not the best approach and would upset Mohammad.  At Erika's barbecue she knew she could make comments about Yo's discrepancies because that had nothing to do with Mohammad.  I just wished that the other women weren't over talking one another. 

 

Kyle and Lisar both know that Yo is full of crap about her chronic illness.  Kyle is treading carefully but calculated and Lisar is ready to call her out.  The problem is Lisar is not the person to do this.  She knows the truth but she's not the sharpest tool in the shed.  The Munchhausen explanation was the worst approach. 

[OhGromit]

It's so interesting to watch Yolanda.  I think she either somatizes, or she has Munchausen.  I think she's actually depressed-- she's been complaining for years that her "friends" weren't really friends, her marriage has failed, she has issues she doesn't know how to resolved and is overwhelmed by.  It's all coming out as "lyme-brain" and exhaustion, and she's found quacks who will give it a physical diagnosis.

 

If she didn't bring her kids into it, I'd be intrigued but not repulsed.  But she clearly feels the need to believe that her children-- the non-Gigi's-- suffer as she does.  She has Lyme; they have Lyme.  She has silicone implant leakage; she says she thinks the non-Gigi's may have suffered from it since they breast fed from her leaking boobies.  

 

So that's what Munchausen's by proxy looks like.  So interesting.  Yolanda doesn't know she's doing it, but you can see it from the outside.  I always imagined Munchausen's as being more black and white-- a nefarious mother purposely poisoning her kids.  It seems it can be much subtler.  

 

Anyhow, it's extremely frustrating to watch, especially knowing she's dragged her kids into it.  And the kids feel compelled to believe her and since it's their own mommy telling them they're sick, they're going to believe it, sad as it is.  Otherwise they risk Yolanda's rejection.  

 

Anyhow, it's all extremely deep and complicated.  

[WaltersHair]

Ten Lymes says that when all the non-Gigis leave the house for good, Yolanda will suddenly have a rare form Lyme related Empty Nest Syndrome.

-Empty Brain Syndrome?

-Empty Breast Syndrome?

-Empty Basket (of lemons)

-Empty House/Spouse

But certainly NOT depression derived from her children leaving home. Oh never something that mundane. (and I am in no way making light of depression. It is serious and very important. More likely and important than whatever exacerbation she's decided is now occurring. )

[AttackTurtle]

I would love one of the ladies to inquire as to how Yo's Instagram posts are "educating" people about Lyme disease. Are there hidden tips on Lyme prevention in her pictures of her face buried in large bouquets of flowers?

Originally, I assumed that Yolanda's condition was a combination of Lyme disease, depression and menopause. Now I just think she's a total narcissist....going thru menopause.

[DebbieM4]

There's room on the couch for both of us, DosEquis! I'll bring the lemons.

This is crazy, funny, AND creepy. How does she do it?

 

OMG, that video.  Just so bad on absolutely every level. 

 

I'll be honest - I certainly didn't think I would like it.  But it was so much worse than I ever would have expected.  Thanks for posting!  I'm still shaking my head in amazement.  This is her decorating talent that we've heard so much about?!   It was pathetic.  For a minute, I thought I was watching a skit on SNL.

 

This woman is delusional.  Totally.

[Lura]

Yolanda creates in me a contradiction in terms and even a contradiction in reality.  When she is "up and well" (according to our standards), I feel hopeful for her and almost believe she's finally on the road to recovery, but there's the hitch.  Recovery from what?  She has spoken of so many symptoms and has undergone treatment for so many ailments that I'm confused.  Is she well?  Is she improved?  What condition is she in, and from what disease is she feeling better from?

 

On the other hand, when her life turns around, and she's miserable yet again, what disease is plaguing her?  The same one or a new one?  There are so many symptoms!  Yolanda drags herself down, or is dragged down (Who knows?), and she carries with her her family, her remaining friends and her remaining legions of fans.  It's a roller coaster of happiness and sadness, laughing and crying, hopes and hopes dashed.

 

I watch her on these videos (thank you for providing them), and she looks beautiful, strong, and especially in control of the mind she claims to have lost.  Then I think of another carnival ride -- the merry-go-round, and every time Yolanda comes around, she looks different.  Sometimes she's pale, without makeup and with dark rings under her eyes, but the next time she comes around, she's gorgeous, looking every inch the model in a dress that I'd almost kill to have a copy of.  Is she ill and pretending to be fine, or is she fine but acting sick?  She's playing with my mind!  I decide not to care any longer and regard her with scorn.  I even find myself upset with fellow posters (who are just as confused as I am), and my irritation stems from each poster having a different opinion of a disease they're sure Yolanda suffers from! 

 

My temporary conclusion (the one I've adopted today -- LOL) is merely to throw my hands into the air and let be whatever is.  Stop trying to look for clues.  Stop jumping to conclusions.  Stop wondering, guessing, analyzing.  I feel exactly like she  claims to feel -- exhausted.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Lura

[Umbelina]

Real life just collided.

 

I was reading Amy Tan's collection of various essays and memoirs, The Opposite Of Fate, and they were so good that I kept going to the very last one in the book.  I really love her writing and The Joy Luck Club is one of my favorite books.

 

The very last essay, at the end, has the same title as the book.  As I read, while she was going through medical testing, tons of it, I kept thinking this sounds like what Yolanda has been saying.  I don't want to paraphrase her too much, but the doctors dismissed the possibility, which she stumbled on trying to find out what was wrong with her.  Her doctor even lied to her and told her he'd given her the test and it came back negative, saying "Lyme is so rare, besides 10 days of antibiotics will cure it."  Later he admitted he didn't really even give her the basic test, ELISA, he tested for syphilis instead.   (Basically what my doctor said, but my doctor didn't even pretend to test me.)

 

Anyway, via a Lyme message board, while waiting for the "test results " the doctor didn't even order, she found a doctor in San Francisco experienced in LYME.  After finding out her doctor lied to her, she booked an appointment with the San Francisco expert, and he pretty much immediately looked at her (bright spotted) brain MRI, glucose level of 27, and numbness in extremities, as well as other symptoms, including extreme fatigue and her brain fog and confusion, and immediately ordered the Western Blot test from apparently the best lab, IGeneX, since it tests for all kinds of Lyme, and Amy Tan frequently travels the world.  Strongly positive, final diagnosis, late stage Lyme, neuroborreliosis.  Mega doses of AB, long term, the essay ends with her hopeful but not cured.

 

Found this on line, not the same essay, but updated.  https://www.amytan.net/lyme-disease.html

 

In the essay she strongly feels that most doctors are misinformed about Lyme, about not only the proper tests for Lyme, but also the "10 days of AB" protocols, and dismissive attitude toward patients some still carry, believing it is rare.  She mentions another writer who contacted her after her diagnosis, his advice was basically, if you get a good day or two, write like hell while you can.  He has it too. 

 

I learned something new, the tick that bit her was the size of the period at the end of this sentence.  The nymph, just about impossible to see but just as venomous, and they are around in Spring.

 

ETA reading it now, and it is not the same essay but contains the same, and new information, some paragraphs, are exactly the same as the book.  It's really worth a read.  For example, in the book essay she doesn't announce at the top what the illness is, she takes you along on her journey trying to find out what is wrong with her.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[ElDosEquis]

I cood not watch da TeeVee. Den, My Loh-ve came inta da roohm an said to me, "Why don chu tourn on da sweech on da ruh-mote?"

[ElDosEquis]

Ugh, just got thru the 'inspirational speech' she gave and I had to laugh.

 

There is a term the guys in the neighborhood used to use when calling bullshit on a story someone was peddling......

 

"Aw,Your Ass Hurts".

 

Indeed, I find it hard to believe that she can sit down without passing out from the pain?

Edited February 19, 2016 by ElDosEquis

[bosawks]

 Obviously Yolanda doesn't know beans about depression.  Plus she would later have to top Kyle's depression.

 

To be fair Yolanda probably doesn't know beans about beans either..........

[ElDosEquis]

I suspect that LisaV knows from Mohamed that no one can reason with Yolanda, NO ONE, and that is why arguing with her is futile! LOL

 

Imagine having a disagreement with her, what would the ramifications be?

 

She is as mean as a snake and as cunning as a hyena. It's probably easier to mollify her by bending than it is to try and stand up to her? I can only imagine the ire and vitriol she'd spew when she didn't get her way...

 

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I have to laugh, again, at her contention that she saw over 100 doctors and there wasn't any kind of cooperation between any of them? I will say this AGAIN. There is NO physician/doctor/specialist who knows EVERYTHING about medicine/illnesses.

I bet that after the first 20 doctors you have seen and no one has found anything? One of them will write a paper about your case and you will get a disease named after you. If you are going to make it sound like there are 100 doctors who inept and cannot figure out what bothers you?

 

You may as well indict the whole world of medicine.

[zoeysmom]

Imagine having a disagreement with her, what would the ramifications be?

 

She is as mean as a snake and as cunning as a hyena. It's probably easier to mollify her by bending than it is to try and stand up to her? I can only imagine the ire and vitriol she'd spew when she didn't get her way...

 

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I have to laugh, again, at her contention that she saw over 100 doctors and there wasn't any kind of cooperation between any of them? I will say this AGAIN. There is NO physician/doctor/specialist who knows EVERYTHING about medicine/illnesses.

I bet that after the first 20 doctors you have seen and no one has found anything? One of them will write a paper about your case and you will get a disease named after you. If you are going to make it sound like there are 100 doctors who inept and cannot figure out what bothers you?

 

You may as well indict the whole world of medicine.

I think they should name it woyofo insanabilis  citrum Lyme morator  Disease  (Loosely translated woeful Yolanda Foster incurable lemon-Lyme malinger Disease)

 

In defense of the docs round the world that missed the diagnosis, if they keep doing tests, samples, MRIs and they come back normal or unremarkable, I think they are required by the canons of the profession to hold off on an autopsy until the patient expires.  Again I am not a medical person.

 

Umbelina-thank you for the reference to Amy Tan.  I noticed she is skiing, going to the gym and promoting her nephew, Joey, the 12 year old who played at the Grammys.  She is a delightful person.  Thanks to Ms. Tan it sounds like there is a recorded journey of Lyme Disease and the trials and tribulations of seeking an accurate diagnosis.  She has had a leach named after her http://www.amnh.org/about-the-museum/press-center/leech-named-for-best-selling-author-amy-tan  and apparently it sports a large sex organ.

 

My gripe with Yolanda, is in the tape, receiving an award, she is fairly low key about her demands for further research.  Sure she knocked American medicine in the process but the feeling I get since her 2013 appearance is the CDC should go on total lockdown until they cure  the aforementioned strain of Yolanda's Lyme Disease.  As if Lyme Disease is the only health issue confronting the country.  Her condescension is so off putting that only zealots seem to side with her.  I mean we are talking about a woman who brags about knowing the number of light bulbs on her bedroom ceiling.  How many could there be?  I just think Yolanda like great athletes everywhere has to realize that with age and menopause are bodies lose performance.  That is why there is a Seniors PGA and a Super Seniors PGA.  Heck, they even have a seniors' rodeo circuit.  (Don't make the mistake of asking if they ride older animals.)  With Yolanda everything she embraces becomes a put down to others.  She gets rid of the breast implants and make up she has to thrown out insults to others who dare to wear makeup. 

 

I think along the way Yolanda could not accept the fact she could be depressed in spite of having a seemingly idyllic life (she did admit to a six year bout of depression after her divorce from Mohamed, but meeting David cured her) and that she could have something like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  I think it just sounded too pedestrian for the Queen.  So now Yolanda is creating the perfect storm again-she divorced her husband.  My prediction when she decides to address the reason for the divorce it will be it was unfair to David for him not to have a healthy Yolanda by his side as he travels the world.  Such a martyr. 

[Umbelina]

According to that updated article, she has been on AB for 7 years, and her Lyme IS considered chronic.  She said that every time she's tried to go off AB her symptoms, including physical and mental, return.  My experience with doctors about Lyme has been similar, they basically laugh or discount it, or look at you as if you are nuts.  In the past I've just believed them, even though I've definitely been bitten, and been exposed quite a bit.  It's strange, I've been complaining about being tired for over a decade now.  They've tested me for everything else, but even though I yearly had deer giving birth in my cornfield, all basically refused to test for Lyme.  I don't have the other symptoms though, just tired...16 years now. 

 

Yo isn't getting proper treatment.  I do think she has Lyme.  I just think that her "treatments" and weird home remedies are not only not helping, they are making things worse for her.  ETA I agree Yo is depressed, but it's a chicken and egg for me.  Long term illness can make people depressed, and usually does.

 

Amy's story is compelling.  She says the CDC is finally admitting they've underestimated the yearly cases of Lyme, from 30,000 to now 300,000, and I kind of agree with Amy, because of my personal experience, that doesn't count all the people like her, who saw many doctors over a period of time, willing to do every test under the sun, but not even considering Lyme.  She even had surgery to remove a benign adrenal tumor.

 

ETA again. 

That mirrors my experience, and my friend the PhD candidate's.  Although I don't think I have Lyme, WHY not test for it when everything else was ruled out?  I wasn't even offered the cheap assed test that isn't very accurate, even when I went in with a bullseye rash!  My friend has had every scan and test imaginable for over a year, seen about a dozen different specialists, and her DAD is a doctor, but until she got a new internist familiar with Lyme, not one MD even thought of it.  She did the proper tests, and voila, finally a diagnosis.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[kokapetl]

7 years on antibiotics?! She needs to stop. Any improvement she experiences from them has got to be psychosomatic.

[Umbelina]

Did you read it?  She is under the care of a real MD, and her case is severe.

[LIMOM]

Couldn't she have come up with a line of white jeans and call it a day?

[zoeysmom]

Umbelina-I just read her social media.  Her chronic condition does not seem to rule her life.  As I said she skis, and goes to the gym, travels, writes.  I think Amy Tan is an excellent example of someone who lives with a chronic condition but does not let it define her. 

[zoeysmom]

Yolanda has failed to address onset of Lyme's and has in fact eschewed the only thing credible medicine has come up with for treatment and this antibiotics.  She is not the first or last person to express displeasure for the prescribing of antibiotics.  Yolanda just seems very intent on focusing on her special condition.

 

What I have learned is if I have a bulls eye rash and I go to my doctor and he refuses to test for Lyme, I would be on the phone to my local health department to see who in my county or surrounding counties will authorize a test for Lyme Disease. 

 

What Yolanda has done is a disservice.  She is advocating against proven treatment to chase her own misguided beliefs.  That is wrong on every level.

[LIMOM]

Did you read it?  She is under the care of a real MD, and her case is severe.

Do you personally believe that Yolanda and her two spawns have chronic Lyme?

[Umbelina]

It was defining Amy Tan before the diagnosis and treatment though.  She didn't get out of bed, could no longer drive, had massive joint pain, and couldn't write because the spirochetes had entered her brain, and fogged her thinking.  She's functioning now because of the AB.

 

The book was a bit more detailed about her journey to diagnosis and symptoms.  She was also having hallucinations from the brain issues, like waking dreams.

 

As far as the 7 years on AB, she mentions going off of them, and having the symptoms return, so obviously her MD felt her best course of treatment was to continue to take them each time.

 

In the UK people who have lost their spleen and subsequently start having infections, *not all do* are often put on AB for life, but not high doses.  They take it much more seriously than USA MDs.  As for me, lost mine during cancer surgery, and I DID have them, nearly died a few times my temp shot up so fast, so I still carry AB and know when to take them.  Sometimes I didn't have time to get to the hospital ER first.  My worst was normal temp to 104.1 in 25 minutes, luckily the hospital was only 20 minutes away.  Since then?  I carry them.  /OT

Yolanda has failed to address onset of Lyme's and has in fact eschewed the only thing credible medicine has come up with for treatment and this antibiotics.  She is not the first or last person to express displeasure for the prescribing of antibiotics.  Yolanda just seems very intent on focusing on her special condition.

 

What I have learned is if I have a bulls eye rash and I go to my doctor and he refuses to test for Lyme, I would be on the phone to my local health department to see who in my county or surrounding counties will authorize a test for Lyme Disease. 

 

What Yolanda has done is a disservice.  She is advocating against proven treatment to chase her own misguided beliefs.  That is wrong on every level.

I think Yo said she was on them for quite a while in the beginning.  I don't think she gave it enough time.

 

Agree!  I was an idiot!  Usually I am much more conscientious, but the MDs both sounded so SURE, and like an idiot, I didn't research it.  They did give me 10 days of AB for the bullseye one though, with rolled eyes.  Truthfully, they were not willing to even consider the possibility. 

 

Agree, Yo's whack job MD has conned her good.

Do you personally believe that Yolanda and her two spawns have chronic Lyme?

I pretty much think Yo does.  The spawn?  No idea.

 

As I said, I think her nutso regime and "treatments" have made it much worse.  I think in her case though she took the AB for quite a while, they didn't make her perfect so she moved on.  Too soon.  Not sure if it was all Yo, or if part of it was bad medical advice. 

 

ETA on Yo?  I'm about 65% yes, she does, or she read Amy Tan's essay.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[Vicky8675309]

Yolanda was on IV antibiotics 24 hours a day for 3 months for her "chronic neurological lyme disease" and it did not help her. The video clip where she talks about this is on this page or the previous page.

[jaync]

Given the piles of lies Yolanda has told and keeps telling, I'm now doubting that she even has Lyme disease. Because, what better illness to fake than one that the general public and many medical professionals know so little about?

 

I previously mentioned that Yolanda reminds me a lot of Aviva, without the latter's nastiness. But, thinking back to how she lied about Ken assaulting her, I've changed my mind; Yolanda plays just as dirty.

[Umbelina]

3 months may not have been long enough though, but yeah, thanks for that, I thought I remembered she sought conventional treatment first.  Catch it early and people seem to do better.

[Vicky8675309]

Since she has failed antibiotics (I'm going to assume she got more than one during her 3 months of continuous antibiotics) I doubt her even more. Also she has been off antibiotic for a while now and isn't getting worse so again I am skeptical of her.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[kokapetl]

Did you read it? She is under the care of a real MD, and her case is severe.

Dr Klinghardt is also a real accredited doctor of medicine. Edited February 19, 2016 by Kokapetl

[Umbelina]

So Amy Tan is also a nut?  OK then.  I don't think so, but whatever floats your boat. 

[Vicky8675309]

So Amy Tan is also a nut?  OK then.  I don't think so, but whatever floats your boat. 

 

Who this post for? I think Yo is a nut. I don't know Amy. Is she going to be a HW?

[kokapetl]

I don't know enough about Amy Tan to call her a nut, but 7 years on antibiotics makes me suspicious of her doctor.

[Umbelina]

For Kokapeti, for her last two about Amy Tan.  Personally, I think Amy Tan is a pretty incredible woman, and I doubt she's been duped, or is playing for sympathy.  I DO think difficult Lyme cases exist, and I believe she is one of those people.  I also doubt she's alone in that, for reasons I already went into.

 

Nothing against Kokapeti, we just really disagree on this one.

[LIMOM]

7 years on antibiotics????

I can't imagine the side effects.

Is this even a legitimate course of treatment?

[Umbelina]

They can test and see if the spirochetes have hidden and then returned once AB are gone, which they can do in some cases, and that's apparently true in Amy's.  Spirochetes are a seriously nasty, tenacious bacteria, and can cross the blood-brain barrier.  Think syphilis, that's what they most closely resemble. 

 

Anyway, I just happened on this book recently, I try to read all of Amy Tan's books, I love her writing, she's brilliant.  I forgot I ordered it, and was looking for something to read last night.   It was a shock to get to the last essay and read symptoms so similar to Yolanda's.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[kokapetl]

Do they actually test for spirochetes? I thought they tested for certain antibodies.

[LIMOM]

No offense to anyone but this chronic Lyme disease appears to be the malady du jour.

[zoeysmom]

If antibiotics work for Amy Tan's chronic condition, I say more power to her for committing to something that works.  Yolanda doesn't want to take antibiotics because there is no end game, then she needs to accept the fact she wants treatment but only own her own terms and it is not working.  Same with her daughter Bella who refuses antibiotics.  Millions of people are diagnosed with chronic conditions and have to accept the fact they are going to have to adapt to certain changes in their life.  People with high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol may not be able to beat it with diet and exercise.  It doesn't mean they are somehow less than, it just means they have to adapt their lives to a certain new regiment that includes medication and perhaps food restrictions.    

 

My other point with Yolanda is I don't think she realizes that two weeks in the hospital may mean six weeks or even never to return to her previous strength.  It reminds me of a doctor who asked if my friend could do a pull up after nixing rotator cuff surgery.  She said, "no," he went on to tell her she should have the surgery.  Her comment was simply she could not do a pull up before the surgery.  Yolanda had thee same tendencies to not listen overreact and become zealous about something she is little educated about.  She did not get any smarter, or tolerant after the disease because it was never there to begin with.

They can test and see if the spirochetes have hidden and then returned once AB are gone, which they can do in some cases, and that's apparently true in Amy's.  Spirochetes are a seriously nasty, tenacious bacteria, and can cross the blood-brain barrier.  Think syphilis, that's what they most closely resemble. 

 

Anyway, I just happened on this book recently, I try to read all of Amy Tan's books, I love her writing, she's brilliant.  I forgot I ordered it, and was looking for something to read last night.   It was a shock to get to the last essay and read symptoms so similar to Yolanda's.

When was the book published?

[Umbelina]

2003, I think she got it in 1999. 

 

LIMON, I think it's just finally being diagnosed, generally as a last resort, after everything else has been ruled out.  Even the CDC is updating it's information, and ticks are spreading like crazy, not just the coasts anymore.  Someone posted a link about it earlier in the thread, from Scientific American.

 

Yes, it says here 1999.  https://www.amytan.net/lyme-disease.html It's really an interesting read.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[LIMOM]

2003, I think she got it in 1999. 

 

LIMON, I think it's just finally being diagnosed, generally as a last resort, after everything else has been ruled out.  Even the CDC is updating it's information, and ticks are spreading like crazy, not just the coasts anymore.  Someone posted a link about it earlier in the thread, from Scientific American.

 

Yes, it says here 1999.  https://www.amytan.net/lyme-disease.html It's really an interesting read.

Don't get me wrong, I think that it does exist but like with anything, there are trends in diseases.

I also do not believe that someone has to bullshit people in order to be heard.(like Yoyo)

[kokapetl]

If antibiotics work for Amy Tan's chronic condition, I say more power to her for committing to something that works. Yolanda doesn't want to take antibiotics because there is no end game, then she needs to accept the fact she wants treatment but only own her own terms and it is not working. Same with her daughter Bella who refuses antibiotics. Millions of people are diagnosed with chronic conditions and have to accept the fact they are going to have to adapt to certain changes in their life. People with high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol may not be able to beat it with diet and exercise. It doesn't mean they are somehow less than, it just means they have to adapt their lives to a certain new regiment that includes medication and perhaps food restrictions.

My other point with Yolanda is I don't think she realizes that two weeks in the hospital may mean six weeks or even never to return to her previous strength. It reminds me of a doctor who asked if my friend could do a pull up after nixing rotator cuff surgery. She said, "no," he went on to tell her she should have the surgery. Her comment was simply she could not do a pull up before the surgery. Yolanda had thee same tendencies to not listen overreact and become zealous about something she is little educated about. She did not get any smarter, or tolerant after the disease because it was never there to begin with.

When was the book published?

I'm pretty certain Yolly has tried antibiotics. At the beginning of the season we saw a white board listing drugs tried.

I was shocked when the camera showed the white board titled 'Lyme Disease & Co-Infections'. The list of conventional drugs on the left and the alternative on the right. I was in absolute shock, my jaw literally dropped. I froze the screen and jotted down all that I could see on the list of just the conventional pharmaceuticals that she's been treated with. There's a few I couldn't get. This is since 2012! I also found out that two of Yolanda's children Bella and Anwar, have also been diagnosed and treated for Lyme Disease in 2012. Here's that list;

daptomycin, abendazole, rocephin, bicillin injections, flagyl, azithromycin, acinia, quetiapine, mepron, vancomycin, nystatin, diflucan, rifampin, belsomra, macrobid, tindamax, dmps, zithromax, wellbutrin, plaquenil, edta, tetralysal, adderall, hydrocortisone, hydrocodone, Xanax, minocycline, ativan, ritalyn, hydroxyeholor, lunesta, codeine.

[Umbelina]

Jeez, no wonder she's nuts. 

 

Oh and that group of antibiotics (there are quite a few listed, so apparently she is still on them, or were they in the past?) would kill me.  I'm deathly allergic to the "mycin" antibiotics.  Luckily, no problems with penicillin varieties.

[WireWrap]

Jeez, no wonder she's nuts. 

 

Oh and that group of antibiotics (there are quite a few listed, so apparently she is still on them, or were they in the past?) would kill me.  I'm deathly allergic to the "mycin" antibiotics.  Luckily, no problems with penicillin varieties.

I am not convinced that the list were of meds she has taken. The list comprised of Western Meds on 1 white board with the Holistic equivalent across from it on a second white board. I think she did just 1 round of traditional Western antibiotics and then switched to the holistic replacement for everything else. Can anyone here find a snapshot of those 2 boards side by side?

[kokapetl]

I assumed they were drugs tried. There would be hundreds of drugs she hasn't tried.

[NewGranny]

 

Given the piles of lies Yolanda has told and keeps telling, I'm now doubting that she even has Lyme disease. Because, what better illness to fake than one that the general public and many medical professionals know so little about?

THIS!!!!!  I guess that I am just an asshole, but I do not believe that Yolanda was ever sick.  I believe that she may have had some side effect from the leaky implants and may have totally fucked herself up now do to all the crap she puts in her body, but Lyme?  No. 

 

Look, my experience comes from having a mother who I swear goes back and forth from being a hypochondriac to having Munchhausen to just being a regular pill popping drug addict for the past 30 years.

 

No, I am not a doctor but I know a crazy bitch when I see one.  I see a woman who has real mental problems that is making her kids lives a living hell.  No one wants to be the one in her family to go against her and tell her the truth that the help she really needs is from a shrink.  Maybe several.

 

Sorry for the rant.  I don't usually post much but since I am going through this with my mother as we speak and I just had to tell her the hard truth that I believe that she is using again, I had to add my two cents to Yolanda's insanity. 

[SnarkKitty]

http://www.bustle.com/articles/142524-yolanda-foster-is-changing-her-name-back-to-hadid-its-just-one-change-of-many

 

Odds that if she didn't have Gigi making the name trend, she'd stay the ex-Mrs. David Foster? 0%, IMO.

[Umbelina]

Well, she was married to him longer and that is her kid's name.  I agree, it's probably for the fame aspect, since she's still trying to make her living that way.  Still, I've known other 2nd divorce moms to do the same, although usually the ones I know have younger kids.

[kokapetl]

She had been using "Hadid" and "Hadid Foster" on legal documents. She never ceased being Yolanda Hadid, as far as I can tell.

[Umbelina]

Oh Zoeysmom, I should have clarified, the book was published in 2003, but the collection of writings in it are things written at all kinds of times, and ages,  diaries, funerals, commencement addresses, etc.  I completely forgot I had it.  I have to check and see if she's published anything new.  If you like her books, you'll like this collection, especially because she talks about her real life grandmother, and her mom, who were the models for a few of her characters, from carrying the twins escaping the Japanese, to the 4th wife who ate opium to die after being raped by the man who made her his concubine.  Also it's wonderful about the writing process, and how we classify authors, subtle racism in reviews, her marriage, some crazy childhood and adult stories.  It was good.  Which is why I stayed up all night.  Ha.

 

I have to say, I'm enjoying Yo's no make up look on the show.  I don't care WHY she's doing it, but it's cool to see someone on a housewife show without the stage makeup and just looking like a normal woman.  She really needs to 86 those white jeans though.  They were a good look for her, but not in every single scene!

Edited February 19, 2016 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

2003, I think she got it in 1999. 

 

LIMON, I think it's just finally being diagnosed, generally as a last resort, after everything else has been ruled out.  Even the CDC is updating it's information, and ticks are spreading like crazy, not just the coasts anymore.  Someone posted a link about it earlier in the thread, from Scientific American.

 

Yes, it says here 1999.  https://www.amytan.net/lyme-disease.html It's really an interesting read.

I wonder if Yolanda read it and borrowed some of it to describe her journey.  Just suspicious that way.

 

I assumed they were drugs tried. There would be hundreds of drugs she hasn't tried.

I think it is just a compilation of commonly prescribed drugs and what holistic concoctions she can take in lieu of.   I have no doubt Yolanda probably wants us to believe that-but in her speech she gave a big side eye to many of them and that was in the Spring of 2013.  She didn't get sick until the late summer of 2012.  So as a practical matter they could not have run all these drugs through her system or she would have been a corpse.  There are a number of psychiatric drugs on the list.  I am surprised there aren't more pain killers since it seems she is in 1000% pain all of the time.  Also she mentioned taking Adderall and that doesn't appear. 

[Roxy]

I don't know if this woman is sick or ill or whatever and, truly, I don't care. All I know is she's not likable anymore and I once really liked her. Sickness is not good for a silly reality TV show. It's a downer, it's messy, and it's not what I look for in escapist television. I think she should have her journey elsewhere and let's get back to the crappy show I love. I hope she's on her way out....on the show. Not in real life. I wish her the best but she's not a good time and I can see sickness everyday in my mother's nursing home. I don't want to see it on Bravo.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Roxy

[Vicky8675309]

7 years on antibiotics????

I can't imagine the side effects.

Is this even a legitimate course of treatment?

 

 

For lyme disease affecting the nervous system it is recommend that you get 2 weeks (for peripheral nerve palsy like a facial nerve palsy) to 30 days of antibiotics (central nervous system involved so affecting thinking, etc).

 

per UpToDate:

 

Microbiologic treatment failure does occur, but is rare. No strain of B. burgdorferi has been described that is resistant to the primary antibiotics recommended for therapy. Poor absorption or noncompliance with treatment is a more likely explanation for treatment failure than intrinsic resistance of the organism.

When the term "treatment failure" is used, it usually refers to symptoms that have persisted or recurred. Some Lyme disease patients have mild subjective symptoms, such as headache, musculoskeletal pain, arthralgia, lethargy, cognitive complaints, and/or fatigue, that persist for weeks to months after treatment

 

The following observations have addressed the issue of persistent symptoms:

●In a trial of patients with early Lyme disease, mild subjective symptoms were noted after treatment in almost one-half of patients and correlated significantly with the severity of the initial illness. Extending antibiotic therapy...had no effect on the frequency of these symptoms, which typically resolve within six months.

●In a retrospective cohort study, patients with a history of treated Lyme disease were significantly more likely than controls to report joint pains ... and memory impairment ... at a mean of six years after treatment. However, physical examination and neurocognitive studies performed in a blinded fashion [blinding it removes the bias] showed no differences between cases and controls.

●Randomized controlled trials of repeat antimicrobial therapy in patients with persistent symptoms after recommended therapy for Lyme disease have not shown benefit. By contrast, prolonged treatment with antibiotics has been associated with a variety of adverse effects (including death) as well as enhancing selection of resistant bacteria. ...

 

Based upon such observations, the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) in 2006, the American Academy of Neurology in 2007, and the Ad Hoc International Lyme Disease Group in 2007 concluded that the chronic subjective symptoms that may occur after recommended courses of antibiotic therapy for Lyme disease are not due to persistent infection with B. burgdorferi.

 

Reasons for lack of response [to primary treatment, not talking about post-treatment lyme syndrome]— There are several reasons for lack of response to standard antibiotic therapy. These include:

●The initial diagnosis of Lyme disease was incorrect. ... 

●Patients with early Lyme disease may be coinfected with another agent... However, coinfection would not be an explanation for lack of response in patients with late Lyme disease, such as Lyme arthritis. 

●It is possible to have both Lyme disease that has been cured and another condition that persists. Examples include fibromyalgia, depression ...

●In patients with previous neurologic involvement, permanent tissue damage may have occurred.

 

Lack of benefit from additional antibiotics — Post-Lyme disease symptoms are difficult to treat. Randomized controlled trials of repeat antimicrobial therapy in such patients have not shown benefit. [let me know if the details of the studies are needed; I can post them or send via pm]

...

[2 more studies saying the same]: ...The authors concluded that intravenous therapy was not indicated for post-Lyme disease fatigue symptoms.

 

...serious adverse effects, most commonly related to the peripherally-inserted central intravenous catheter.

Other reports of serious adverse effects in patients receiving prolonged courses of antibiotics for presumed Lyme disease have included anaphylaxis, severe or fatal catheter-associated bloodstream infections, and fatal Clostridium difficile colitis.

 

The Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) ... The IDSA guidelines in 2006, the American Academy of Neurology practice parameter in 2007, and the Ad Hoc International Lyme Disease Group in 2007 concluded that currently available evidence does not support the hypothesis that persistent infection with B. burgdorferi is the cause of chronic subjective symptoms that may occur after recommended courses of antibiotic therapy for Lyme disease.

...

Chronic Lyme disease is a term that is used by some practitioners and patient advocacy groups. In its typical usage, it includes the post-Lyme disease syndrome described above, as well as illnesses and symptom complexes for which there is no convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to B. burgdorferi infection. Many of these patients have other recognizable syndromes or diagnoses. 

Edited February 19, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[LIMOM]

^^

Thanks for this comprehensive explanation.

So in short, it is common for LD sufferers to have co-morbid diseases as well and long but unnecessary rounds of antibiotics.