The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[peacheslatour]

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An old photograph, a print DID NOT BURN in a fire that destroyed the entire building, even though it was the closest thing to Dina's dropped match? Okay.

No shit. And neither did the matches Nick was randomly dropping. Fuck this rancid pile of crap.

[Big Blue Plate]

Oh, I think it's really good.  

 

Rolls eyes emoticon.

[miamama]

24 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

No shit. And neither did the matches Nick was randomly dropping. Fuck this rancid pile of crap.

Right? He left jack o lanterns burning. Why is there even an investigation into this fire? Even if a random old woman wandered in and burned a photograph, Nick is an irresponsible POS and a fire likely would have started from his idiotic actions.

[miamama]

47 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It's amazing how predictable Philly has become. Sex sex sex sex sex. It's pathetic.

Is something wrong with them?

I'm in my 40s and no way in hell do my husband and I run around groping each other in public and jumping on top of desks -- we didn't even do this during our "courtship" 15 years ago. We are in love; we find each other sexy. But this behaviour is some juvenile idea of "in love".

And this crap about being "boring" and wanting to be risk takers. WTF? What is happening??????

[bannana]

4 minutes ago, miamama said:

Right? He left jack o lanterns burning. Why is there even an investigation into this fire? Even if a random old woman wandered in and burned a photograph, Nick is an irresponsible POS and a fire likely would have started from his idiotic actions.

He said today to Paul that maybe one of the kids knocked over a lantern, meaning an oil lantern.  Which is what happened, except it was Dina.  The question Paul should have asked is, you left an oil lantern burning when you left for the night?  And who has oil lanterns in nightclubs in this century anyways?

I was sad that Dina remembered.  I had hoped she wouldn't.  My experience with Alzheimers is that once the memory is gone, it is gone.  But in our case, we didn't realize at first what was going on, very similar to the Abbott children.  So I could be wrong about that.  Also, recent memories disappear first, and the long ago ones last, so that part they are doing correctly, although again, I don't know if that is in all cases.

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

Is something wrong with them?

I'm in my 40s and no way in hell do my husband and I run around groping each other in public and jumping on top of desks -- we didn't even do this during our "courtship" 15 years ago. We are in love; we find each other sexy. But this behaviour is some juvenile idea of "in love".

And this crap about being "boring" and wanting to be risk takers. WTF? What is happening??????

If I wasn't recapping, I would be FF'ing through all of this rom com stuff.  I don't know this Billy and Phyllis.  But I felt the same way when Phyllis was with Nick and became a giggly video game playing cowgirl.  GT and JT are also trying way too hard to convince us, and there is just nothing there. Throw Chelz and Nick into the mix and it is a true snore.  Jack looks relieved that he is no longer with Phyllis.

[ezzylin]

5 hours ago, bannana said:

Philly show up at Jabot and they are making out in the elevator and have apparently done so for three runs up and down.  In the reception area of Jabot, Billy throws Phyllis on the desk and starts making out with her when Jack walks out of his office.  Phyllis rolls over the desk pretending to look for those pesky staples.  Hilarious.  Jack says that he understands that Billy made use of the company jet.  He did not berate him for doing so?!  He says he was surprised to see Phyllis' name on the list and then Philly proceed to start talking about how much kissing and making up they did, and Jack says, no need for details, check your email for details on important Jabot changes.

I get that Mal loves Philly hence why we're force fed these, uh,  "rom com" scenes, but can they have the decency to stay the fuck out of Jack's space. Why is Billy at Jabot? Why are they making out on the desk right outside of Jack's office? Do they not realise how unprofessional that is? Why does Philly have to fill Jack in on the intimate details of their make up? Why?

Stop this Mal. Please. 

[HeatLifer]

17 minutes ago, miamama said:

Is something wrong with them?

I'm in my 40s and no way in hell do my husband and I run around groping each other in public and jumping on top of desks -- we didn't even do this during our "courtship" 15 years ago. We are in love; we find each other sexy. But this behaviour is some juvenile idea of "in love".

And this crap about being "boring" and wanting to be risk takers. WTF? What is happening??????

Something is definitely wrong.... with Mal and his obsession with catering to Philly stans. This is who he is writing for. And as we know, this is what Philly stans want to see.

13 minutes ago, bannana said:

GT and JT are also trying way too hard to convince us, and there is just nothing there.

This.

[Big Blue Plate]

34 minutes ago, bannana said:

My experience with Alzheimers is that once the memory is gone, it is gone.  But in our case, we didn't realize at first what was going on, very similar to the Abbott children.  So I could be wrong about that.  Also, recent memories disappear first, and the long ago ones last, so that part they are doing correctly, although again, I don't know if that is in all cases.

I am a bit troubled by the handling of the story.... Alzheimers is a specific type of dementia, one of seven as I recall (there could be more... both my parents died of it, the second in 2013, and they both had different types.)  I don't know that Dina was diagnosed with Alzheimers.  Maybe I FFd through it. Anyway the typical timeframe to death is about five years from the first appearance of symptoms (on average.)  I'd say that was consistent with my experience.  Alzheimers, I think, is a linear progression.  (Neither of my folks had that type of dementia.)  But when Dina called Abby Ashley, that seemed out of synch with where Dina is in her progression, given her other symptoms (which barely existed until a couple of weeks ago.)  I just think you don't fuck with the reality of a  real disease.  $20 there will be a touching death bed scene with some sweet last words from Dina.  It doesn't happen that way.  By the time dementia kills you you haven't spoken in some time.  So it's one thing to be a rotten soap, it's another to mess with a rotten story.   They're cherrypicking here and it's kinda... I don't like it. They should stick to their strength, business stories, which they write so well.

42 minutes ago, ezzylin said:

Why is Billy at Jabot? Why are they making out on the desk right outside of Jack's office? Do they not realise how unprofessional that is

Aunt Jack's suffering doesn't get my dander up at all, but even I was like EEEEEEEW! at that scene.  It was just... dispiriting. 

Seriously, is that living room painted a shade of purple or a shade of brown?  I'm going to Benjamin Moore in the morning. 

Also too Nikki's hair looked amazeballs. 

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

It's amazing how predictable Philly has become. Sex sex sex sex sex. It's pathetic.

Its also the only way she can keep Billy! Ugh!

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Randomly, is the paint in the Abbott's living room purple or brown?

Hmm, its a sort of purply brown...( ducking!) ..:)

[NinjaPenguins]

It's amazing how much I hate Billy and Phyllis. I wish they'd "live on the edge" of a cliff and fuck themselves over it. Imagine the petri dish of contagious STD soup one could probably scrape off the surfaces of some NOLA hotel after that foursome went down to nasty town. Oh the lulz of Phyllis covering for her unprofessional office romp by pretending to hunt for staples. The romcomcom is just rocking my world.

But hey, Nick is back to being an obnoxious bully, so yay! Classic Y&R.

[PatsyandEddie]

Thanks to all who watched. You’ve very kindly let me know what to FF. ?

[DivaT]

On 11/23/2017 at 10:00 PM, miamama said:

A) Because it makes Mal happy does not equal purpose, ie story purpose, movement, character development. These two women who should not trust or like each other suddenly being the bestest insta-girlfriends in the world (what's next? mani-pedis on Christmas day?) is ludicrous and serves no purpose.

B) Phyllis. Does. Not. Need. Another. Friend. Jack is plenty, so is Nick (if he doesn't care to write for Michael or Lauren).

C) Why did Hilary need a female friend to confide in? It strikes me that a woman like Hilary wouldn't have female friends (neither would Phyllis -- which is why for years it was only Michael). They are traditional soap vixens. They don't go around braiding their bestie's hair and giggling over boyfriends.

This is full on stupid.

Mal is just writing random scenes, relationships, scenarios to showcase Gina and Jason as his romcom fantasy sitcom stars. We are supposed to swoon not expect any kind of storytelling or respect for character. And we are also expected to sit back and be thrilled as GT and JT become the lead characters/couple on this show.

 

I agree with most of what you say. However, I don't agree that Phyllis' friendships should be limited to her ex husbands. Phyllis and jack shouldn't be friends after she cheated on him with his  brother. And if Mal insists on pursuing Philly then Nick shouldn't be her ear about her love woes with Billy due to the Vikki angle. What he should do is write for her long time friend Michael. Or at least Lauren, whom she has some history with. But he's not interested in either character, which a problem. They've earned better.

 

Hilary has been written as a villain, not a vixen. The show has written her so poorly that everytime she interacts with any male, viewers accuse her of lining up her next victim. They question her sincerity in everything because writing has told them she's never sincere about anything. I like her friendship with jack but the show didnt leave it at strictly friendship. Having Hilary pursue him last year ruined that. Had he remained a father figure/ mentor instead of a possible love interest, that would have been an amazing relationship. As things stand, he's now become just another person whom she's trying to make a fool of. Hilary needs a female friend to to talk to so that she can't be accused of lying to get with him. Viewers then know that what she's saying is the truth. 

 

Also, it's cringeworthy to watch every character onscreen having negative interaction with Hilary day in and day out calling her derogatory names. There needs to be a counterbalance. Jill had her mother and family back in the day. Phyllis had Michael and her children. Hilary had no one but Devon and Jack, both of whom viewers think are too stupid to see what a evil person she is. It wasn't serving either well. 

 

I like Phyllis as a friend for Hilary despite it being problematic and not being who I'd have chosen. I get why Mal did though. Also, don't discount twitter loving their interaction back in May. Mal lives and dies by Twitter. 

[DivaT]

10 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Something is definitely wrong.... with Mal and his obsession with catering to Philly stans. This is who he is writing for. And as we know, this is what Philly stans want to see.

This.

I think Mal is catering to himself moreso than he's catering to Philly stans. Like every EP/writer before him, he's using fans to justify what he wants to do. 

[miamama]

11 hours ago, bannana said:

when Phyllis was with Nick and became a giggly video game playing cowgirl.

lol. This made me laugh. But I can't believe we're back to this again with another (de-aged) actress. Maybe in five years, a 25-year-old blonde will be cast as Phyllis Summers Romalotti Abbott Newman Abbott Summers and she'll be playing MineCraft and having lots of sex (naturally) with SORASed Johnny Abbott or Connor Newman. Maybe BOTH of them!!! Wild. 

 

10 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

But when Dina called Abby Ashley, that seemed out of synch with where Dina is in her progression, given her other symptoms (which barely existed until a couple of weeks ago.)  I just think you don't fuck with the reality of a  real disease.  $20 there will be a touching death bed scene with some sweet last words from Dina.  It doesn't happen that way.  By the time dementia kills you you haven't spoken in some time.  So it's one thing to be a rotten soap, it's another to mess with a rotten story.   They're cherrypicking here and it's kinda... I don't like it.

This made me sad. I'm sure they'll cherry-pick. They generally do with diseases and Mal has shown he wants plot/cliffhangers/humour above all. So it will be especially bad. I'll keep peeking to see what they're doing. But I'm ready to jump ship at any moment because Dina's story is the only thing holding my interest right now.

[MollyB]

11 hours ago, bannana said:

He said today to Paul that maybe one of the kids knocked over a lantern, meaning an oil lantern.  Which is what happened, except it was Dina.  The question Paul should have asked is, you left an oil lantern burning when you left for the night?  And who has oil lanterns in nightclubs in this century anyways?

the bigger question is:  Who doesn't have sprinklers installed (and inspected/passed by Code) in a newly remodeled building?  I don't care who started the damn fire, Nick is an ass re safety of his guests.  Thank goodness they did not book White Snake.

 

11 hours ago, ezzylin said:

I get that Mal loves Philly hence why we're force fed these, uh,  "rom com" scenes, but can they have the decency to stay the fuck out of Jack's space. Why is Billy at Jabot? Why are they making out on the desk right outside of Jack's office? Do they not realise how unprofessional that is? Why does Philly have to fill Jack in on the intimate details of their make up? Why?

Stop this Mal. Please. 

Phylis has been a grandmother longer than I have and should know better.  I would start wondering if she maybe has a little dementia thing going, too, and her mind has been transported back to her younger devil-may-care days.  Billy?  I got nuthin'.  This paragon of a father doesn't find time to spend Thanksgiving with his kids [side note; he is Johnny's bio father, Victoria has no bio in the fight, yet she is the parent], instead SpringBreaking it in NOLA.  With another Father of the Year, Nick.  If this is love, sign me out.

 

10 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

t's amazing how much I hate Billy and Phyllis. I wish they'd "live on the edge" of a cliff and fuck themselves over it. Imagine the petri dish of contagious STD soup one could probably scrape off the surfaces of some NOLA hotel after that foursome went down to nasty town. Oh the lulz of Phyllis covering for her unprofessional office romp by pretending to hunt for staples. The romcomcom is just rocking my world.

But hey, Nick is back to being an obnoxious bully, so yay! Classic Y&R.

this a thousand times.

 

1 hour ago, DivaT said:

What he should do is write for her long time friend Michael. Or at least Lauren, whom she has some history with. But he's not interested in either character, which a problem.

this bothers me, too.  Mal just completely fucked the history of these characters, all for a very stupid and unbelievable 'love' story.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, DivaT said:

I think Mal is catering to himself moreso than he's catering to Philly stans. Like every EP/writer before him, he's using fans to justify what he wants to do. 

I'm going to give Mal *a bit of credit* because it scares me if he was that obsessed with Philly, but I think he's making decisions based on multiple factors.

1. I think he believes Philly are funny. He likes the comedy more than showcasing sexy times.

2. He didn't get rid of Victoria/Villy/their kids for himself. That was for the stans and also because he wants GT to shine.

3. The reason PB/Jack gets to stick around to watch The Philly Show is because GT and JT "love him and want to work with him." 

Edited November 25, 2017 by HeatLifer

[natalie wood]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

The reason PB/Jack gets to stick around to watch The Philly Show is because GT and JT "love him and want to work with him." 

FTBS Does any one care if they ever see Billy/JT have scenes with Jack/PB? I sure as hell don’t unless PB is wiping the floor with his ass. The fact that Billy gets to have a POV and is such a smug, condescending, unapologetic asshole does him no favors. If and when I watch I change the channel every.single.time. he has scenes. Unless I read Jack is giving him his huge nostrils and ass in a hand basket I don’t care about Billy. He acts like an entitled two year old. If Mal actually thinks he’s doing Billy some big favors he’s delusional. Getting your feedback from Twitter is beyond ridiculous. Anyone can tweet and retweet a thousand times. How about the people who actually bother to call or write? Those viewers are the ones who really care because they are taking the time to make their feelings known. Twitter takes all of 15 seconds if that. It’s unbelievablely ridiculous that he and his bosses are that oblivious IMOHO. I don’t watch reality but I’ve seen DWTS and how many times and different ways a person can vote. It’s stupid but you can’t fix stupid. You can fire it but you can’t fix it. Ugh the Phyllis/Billy thing is sooooo unbelievable.

 

Please somebody save me/us from this pile of horse shit.

Edited November 25, 2017 by natalie wood

[jewel21]

Perhaps we need to all create twitter accounts and spam Mal, since twitter is the only thing he's listening to these days?

[babyhouseman]

 

This picture sums up the stupidity of the situation. Are we laughing yet? 

[NinjaPenguins]

Soon we'll have Billy slipping on one of Nick's discarded banana peels and falling into the bikini area of one of his discarded wives. LOLOLOLOL. Not. I know humor is subjective, but if what babyhouseman posted above is Mal's idea of master class level hilarity, I'd hate to be trapped at an open mic night with him doing stand-up. 

You just know that Dina's deathbed scene will have her whispering her blessing to Philly and telling them that their beautiful romance convinced her there is a god and heaven so she can pass peacefully now. Jack will be so deeply moved that he'll officiate their wedding, despite learning that Philly accidentally fell into Dina's open grave during a passionate post-service make out session. John Abbott will rise from his final resting place to walk Phyllis down the aisle to his favorite son after disowning Jack for being such a hardass about a little adultery. On their torrid honeymoon night, we'll be treated to at least three scenes of Billy and Phyllis breaking their hotel bed, with the hilariously exasperated hotel manager moving them from suite to suite and telling his employees of Billy's sexual prowess between moves. For some reason, Jack is staying in the room next to Philly's final fuck stop and has to dodge falling ceiling bits, pictures tumbling from the wall and the plaintive cry of overworked bed springs. He affectionately rolls his eyes. Miraculously, Billy impregnates Phyllis with triplets to be delivered by Jack in a Jabot elevator. The babies are named Dillion, Dilbert and Dildo. Katie turns out to be Stitch's daughter while Johnny turns out to be Jordan's son, thus making Phyllis the only mother of Billy's living children. 

Can I get a job on the writing staff, Mr. Young?

[valleycliffe]

41 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Miraculously, Billy impregnates Phyllis with triplets

tee hee hee, at a different site, someone else suggested that phyl will be knocked up by billy or nick from the night they will never mention again...

i have to laugh cause it was suggested that sharon was far to old to get pregnant ever again...guess they forgot that phyl is indeed older than sharon....(just because current actress is younger doesn't mean the CHARACTER is younger).

[miamama]

13 hours ago, babyhouseman said:

 

This picture sums up the stupidity of the situation. Are we laughing yet? 

Mal is building this couple on the foundation of that one flash drive scene when GT threw herself across a desk. She will just keep throwing herself across desks/sofas/apartments for the foreseeable future. That's Mal's story arc for the funniest hottest couple in the history of television. 

However if @NinjaPenguins scenario above is tweeted out in 280-character pieces that tag Mal, he will have it on air in about three months.

I honestly think Peter was expected to play the above scene with an indulgent smirk because it's all SO FUNNY and FATED, but he simply couldn't/wouldn't do it. I mean they BOTH started to talk about all the "kissing" during their making up. ugh. Even Jack's line "I don't need the details" -- which he played with zero intonation -- was I am 100% sure supposed to have been delivered in a tee hee way. (Based on GT and JT's lines and delivery.) At least for now he's protecting his character. But I'm sure that can't last. Jack has to accept Philly because GT and JT want to work with him.

RME.

And now here we are back to the braless Phyllis giggling and fucking all over town. It's only a matter of time before she's having multiple FUNNY foot-stomping weddings and rubbing her pregnant belly.

[peacheslatour]

Go back to England asshole.

[pearlite]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

Mal is building this couple on the foundation of that one flash drive scene when GT threw herself across a desk. She will just keep throwing herself across desks/sofas/apartments for the foreseeable future. That's Mal's story arc for the funniest hottest couple in the history of television. 

However if @NinjaPenguins scenario above is tweeted out in 280-character pieces that tag Mal, he will have it on air in about three months.

I honestly think Peter was expected to play the above scene with an indulgent smirk because it's all SO FUNNY and FATED, but he simply couldn't/wouldn't do it. I mean they BOTH started to talk about all the "kissing" during their making up. ugh. Even Jack's line "I don't need the details" -- which he played with zero intonation -- was I am 100% sure supposed to have been delivered in a tee hee way. (Based on GT and JT's lines and delivery.) At least for now he's protecting his character. But I'm sure that can't last. Jack has to accept Philly because GT and JT want to work with him.

RME.

And now here we are back to the braless Phyllis giggling and fucking all over town. It's only a matter of time before she's having multiple FUNNY foot-stomping weddings and rubbing her pregnant belly.

Between that scene--just short of slapstick, only worse--and Naughty Nites in New Orleans for apparently overgrown teenagers in their forties, this stuff, among other things, sticks out from a lot of the rest of the show. And some of the rest, by which I mean Abbott storylines, verges on pretty good. Sometimes.

What I wonder is how long before the Pride of Liverpool runs out of tweets and fanwank-responsive items to peg storylines on. For instance, (1) the meaningless crap that's Phyllis and Whatshisname; (2) the inevitable reunion of Cane and Lily [I hear Invisibaby will endure difficulties...further drawing our fated couple together]; (3) the uber-tedious prospect of the Nick and Sharon reunion--oh, c'mon, you sat through that repeat of the near-rewedding--you didn't see the flashing lights attached to the decision to air that one? Once MY pacifies his tipsters, what will he do? 'Cause he ain't doing much of anything right now, other than pandering.

And fans can be fickle sometimes.

[Toomuchsoap]

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 It doesn't happen that way.  By the time dementia kills you you haven't spoken in some time

That was the experience with both my mother and father. The two of them were virtually incapable of coherent conversations and this happened pretty early on. My father died right at 5 years following the diagnosis of dementia, and, my mother at about six years.  Before my mother's death, she was hospitalized and the description of what was happening and why, in a nutshell, is that long after the cognitive deficiencies begin to destroy the ability to maintain normal activity and interaction, the brain as a functioning organ becomes unable to sustain normal bodily functions, including the autonomic systems that regulate respiration and circulation. If the writers are planning to create even a smidgen of realism with this storyline, Dina will very soon have to have constant companion-caretakers who will be directing and handling all her activities on a round-the-clock basis or else she'll be eloping from the Abbott estate and burning down TOTT (which might be a positive development, especially if Victor is at the vortex), or some other more mundane common occurrence with dementia-stricken folks, such as wandering out of the house unable to find her way back, or grabbing the car keys and driving to lord knows where and not being able find her way back. But sooner than Jack realizes, he will no longer be able to have any real discussion with her. She just won't be able to communicate in any meaningful way and she will have virtually no ability to grasp what is happening or even who the people in her orbit are, including family members.
 

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For some reason, Jack is staying in the room next to Philly's final fuck stop and has to dodge falling ceiling bits, pictures tumbling from the wall and the plaintive cry of overworked bed springs. He affectionately rolls his eyes. Miraculously, Billy impregnates Phyllis with triplets to be delivered by Jack in a Jabot elevator. The babies are named Dillion, Dilbert and Dildo. Katie turns out to be Stitch's daughter while Johnny turns out to be Jordan's son, thus making Phyllis the only mother of Billy's living children. 

Can I get a job on the writing staff, Mr. Young?

 

Hilarious! Sounds about right. CBS should just hand you the job. This is better than what Mal's doing. It's at least actually funny in the Soap sense.

[valleycliffe]

1 hour ago, pearlite said:

prospect of the Nick and Sharon reunion

yep, hoping that's the direction it's going.

[Tippi]

That picture that babyhouseman posted is just sad and infuriating.  It really captures Malomar's vision of Y&R.

Possible UO: Whatever else the rom com carpola is, GT is too old for it.  She looks her age, which is 44.   They are trying to young her up and sex out her wardrobe, but it ain't working for this viewer.

[peacheslatour]

16 hours ago, Tippi said:

That picture that babyhouseman posted is just sad and infuriating.  It really captures Malomar's vision of Y&R.

Possible UO: Whatever else the rom com carpola is, GT is too old for it.  She looks her age, which is 44.   They are trying to young her up and sex out her wardrobe, but it ain't working for this viewer.

They're all too old for it. This would be stupid with twenty somethings, with this bunch of middle aged losers it's beyond ridiculous.

[DivaT]

On 11/25/2017 at 11:04 AM, HeatLifer said:

I'm going to give Mal *a bit of credit* because it scares me if he was that obsessed with Philly, but I think he's making decisions based on multiple factors.

1. I think he believes Philly are funny. He likes the comedy more than showcasing sexy times.

2. He didn't get rid of Victoria/Villy/their kids for himself. That was for the stans and also because he wants GT to shine.

3. The reason PB/Jack gets to stick around to watch The Philly Show is because GT and JT "love him and want to work with him." 

 

I agree about the comedy. But he does like the Philly sexy times too.  I also think the comedy serves a purpose though. It helps ease the way with viewers. 

 

I don't think he got rid of Vikki and the kids for Stans. He did it to give Philly a chance at success. Vikki and the kids are a reminder of the history that stands in Philly's way.  It's the same with jack. If jack accepts them onscreen then it makes it easier for viewers to accept them. 

 

As you know, I don't have the same issues with Philly as you guys do but I can still call a spade a spade. I won't give Mal any credit. This is the same guy who took clips of Philly to the exec meeting to try to convince then that Philly should be the future. 

On 11/25/2017 at 0:29 PM, natalie wood said:

FTBS Does any one care if they ever see Billy/JT have scenes with Jack/PB? I sure as hell don’t unless PB is wiping the floor with his ass. The fact that Billy gets to have a POV and is such a smug, condescending, unapologetic asshole does him no favors. If and when I watch I change the channel every.single.time. he has scenes. Unless I read Jack is giving him his huge nostrils and ass in a hand basket I don’t care about Billy. He acts like an entitled two year old. If Mal actually thinks he’s doing Billy some big favors he’s delusional. Getting your feedback from Twitter is beyond ridiculous. Anyone can tweet and retweet a thousand times. How about the people who actually bother to call or write? Those viewers are the ones who really care because they are taking the time to make their feelings known. Twitter takes all of 15 seconds if that. It’s unbelievablely ridiculous that he and his bosses are that oblivious IMOHO. I don’t watch reality but I’ve seen DWTS and how many times and different ways a person can vote. It’s stupid but you can’t fix stupid. You can fire it but you can’t fix it. Ugh the Phyllis/Billy thing is sooooo unbelievable.

 

Please somebody save me/us from this pile of horse shit.

Who do you think is calling and writing? I'n willing to bet 3 months salary that it's the same folks. They organize campaigns. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by DivaT

[PatsyandEddie]

PB is completely killing the dementia s/l. The expression on his face when he was talking to Paul caused my throat to clench. Dementia is so cruel. 

[UsernameFatigue]

I need Dina to stick around just because she is by far the best dressed character on the show - pure elegance. 

Why are their no surveillance cameras near the Underground (assuming that its were destroyed) that would show a little old lady coming and going? And as others have said, how did the picture survive and nothing else? Typical OTT writing. 

Speaking of OTT writing, I don't believe for a minute that Nick would forgive Chelsea her past, certainly not that quickly. If at all. I know she has been known as a con, but the blackmail con with what-ever-his-name-is was particularly disgusting. How long will it be before Nick finally finds out that Christian is not his son and that ChelsCon knew? Can't come soon enough for me. 

[peacheslatour]

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Why are their no surveillance cameras near the Underground (assuming that its were destroyed) that would show a little old lady coming and going? And as others have said, how did the picture survive and nothing else? 

The same reason there was no sprinkler system...none of our goldarned business.

[bannana]

Good news=no Philly!

Many here and on the US thread have discussed what Show is doing to the Victoria persona, which to me is quite puzzling in that she seems almost Stepford Drinki-like.  An automaton determined to please her daddy and alienate absolutely everyone else from her life.  OTOH, Show is making me actually root for Abby!  A character I have disliked since she was born.  And that is what happened on today's CDN ep.

• Prick and Pricktoria are at the Newman Ranch discussing their strategy to fix the big mess they are in re Design Date.  Prick tells Vic that the gun that killed Zack belonged to a Newman.  Vic says the gun must have been stolen from Drinki.  Vic says Abs dumped the scandal on their doorstep while Prick says that all she was trying to do was prove herself to Prick.  He suggests that Vic be more forgiving toward her sister, and she ignores this and suggests that Abs stole Drinki's gun.  Prick points out if she had the gun that Zack wouldn't have been able to lock her up.  Vic speculates that Abs shot Zack.
• Paul and Drinki are at CL, where she tells him she wants the charges against Dina dropped, but he says no can do.  More importantly, he says, Zack was shot with Drinki's gun.  Drinki says she has no idea how her gun got involved in a shooting at a seedy motel.  He wants to know if she had the gun at the TOTT party, and Drinki ,looking back, says she should have armed herself.  Hah.  Drinki says she has no idea what happened with her gun, she left it at the ranch.  Tessa arrives and sees Paul and Drinki talking.  Scott arrives. He assures Tessa that he will help advocate for Crystal with Paul, but there will be no story because no more Hashtag.
• Lily sees Abby at Newman, and if this is the first time she has seen her since her kidnapping and almost murder, I would have expected at least a little hug for her BFF.  But she is more interested in why Hashtag is down and Abby's story isn't on there.  Abby fills her in on the deets about Vic going after her and blaming her for everything.  Lily says Vic is being pragmatic and doing her job.  Lily just wants to keep her job, even if she is demoted.  Lily says that Vic says her demotion was out of her hands.  Here's my first Abby cheer for the episode.  She points out to Lily that Vic wants it both ways.  Either she is in charge or she is not.  Just as Vic says it was Abby's fault for DD, even though Abby didn't know what Zack was up to.  How is that different, she says, from when Vic was at BS and had no idea what Billy, Cane or Juliet were up to.  Score!  Lily looks pained at the reference though and Abby apologizes.  Lily says Vic is different since she is back at Newman and that she is more Prick-like, but Abs says she is exactly the same to her.
• Hil is at the GCAC and calls Jack at home to ask him to get Dina on the Hilary Hour.  He says no and blows her off. 
• At Sharon's house, she and Mariah are prepping dinner for Scott.  Mariah tells Sharon about her split from Devon.  They discuss Scott and Sharon acknowledges that things have changed since the kidnapping.
• Vic and Prick tell Abby she needs to ditch her conference call and come to a very important meeting with them.  But it is not a meeting, it is one-sided.  Vic says that doing damage control on the sex scandal is the priority, and they need Abby to make a statement.  She says she will  write one, and Vic says she has already written it, here it is and read it exactly the way it is written.  Abby balks.  Then Vic and Prick say they are too busy to talk about it further, they have important NE meetings to go to.  Vic tells her it is the only thing on her to do list.  Now in the real world, a press conference that is supposed to be doing damage control in a crisis, would be carefully planned with PR and communications people, who would craft the key messages, and coach the spokesperson.  There would be hours of rehearsal and mock questions from the "press".  In GC, the COO who is so happy to tell everyone she is in charge, abdicates any responsibility for the press conference by not preparing properly and putting the person she has pissed off the most in front of  a microphone.  Wonder how well that will go?  Abby then runs into Scott, and tells him she can't do it, she won't, and he says, yes you will, with a few tweaks.
• Paul goes to the Abbott mansion to give Jack a heads up about the charges against Dina, and that she will likely do jail time.  Jack says she is probably guilty of arson too.  Jack gives Paul her medical file. Jack explains what is going on with Dina and that she may have started the fire.  Paul says no charges will be filed.  Jack says that now that they know her diagnosis they will be more vigilant.
• Drinki confronts Tessa, who admits that she stole the gun for Crystal, not knowing it was Drinki's gun.  Tessa says she was protecting her sister.  Tessa says that she got the combination for the safe from Drinki during the benefit planning.  Drinki points out that Tessa could be an accessory.  Tessa is very apologetic and upset and Drinki says, next time your sister goes after a sex trafficker, tell her, don't drop the gun.  Hah!
• At NE, Vic has one of the those very important meetings she couldn't blow off in order to properly plan her big press conference with Abby.  That's right, she is meeting with the demoted Lily.  She tells Lily the  main point of the press conference is to convey that Abs is new to serious business.  She wants to play up the sympathy angle re her mistakes.  Lily seems uncomfortable, and wonders how Abby  feels about this, and Vic says Abs is a team player.  Hilary barges in, because she heard about the press conference.  Hil says Vic should be thanking her for exposing Jordan.  Lily wants to know what that is about because she doesn't watch Hil's show, nor I guess does she follow social media.  Hil tells her to check out the archives.  Vic throws Hil out.
• Abs and Scott are at the GCAC redoing her press statement.  She tells him she is sorry about Hashtag.  Scott says Hashtag is not shut down, he is going use the IT guys to get it back up.  They squabble over Abby's handwriting.  Sharon texts, and Abby tells him to get to dinner with Sharon.  He says he is going to the press conference with Abby.
• Jack sees Prick at the GCAC and they spar a bit and Prick says, tell your mother to stay away from Drinki, and Jack says that won't be a problem because they aren't seeing each other anymore.
• Lily confronts Jordan at the GCAC, and calls him a hypocrite for attacking Cane when he has his own bad actions to answer for.  He says his deeds are in the past, while Cane's are in the present.  Hil arrives and they exchange words and he says he left something for Hil to remember him by.  Any guesses?
• Mariah leaves Sharon telling her that Scott better not take her for granted.  Sharon looks uneasy, and later keeps checking her phone. 
• At the press conference, Queen Vic tells Abby to be herself and go ahead an be emotional if she wants, cause she has been through a lot.  Vic intros Abby who reads from her revised statement.  She apparently generally follows the script.  then she says that she and her father worked side by side and both were duped.  She says that she and Scott exposed a violent criminal, when others could not.  She says that her sister and father want to blame Abs for the impact on Newman.  She points out that Vic only became COO after screwing up at BS.  Abby says the press can read all on the details on Hashtag about the true facts of the sex ring.  She says there is no blame on her side of the podium for anything that went down.  Vic looks uneasy, and Prick looks constipated, yet, weirdly, proud.  And that, Vic, is what happens when you have no leadership skills whatsoever.
• Hil, Mariah, Lily, and Jack are watching from the GCAC bar.  Their phones all get an alert and the nude photos of Hilary have been posted.  Lily looks amused, and Hil screams JORDAN!

Previews:  Nick to Paul:  What is the hold up, how are we going to get the person who torched my club? and Paul replies, we don't.  On the phone, Devon to Hil:  Is there anything I can do for you? and she asks him to meet her, she has a proposal for him. Abby to Vic at Newman:  I'll save you the trouble of firing me, I quit.  Hah!

Edited November 28, 2017 by bannana
typos due to rushing!

[PatsyandEddie]

I was quite happy with Abby today too. WTH is the matter with Victoria? Seriously. She is a bitch. 

Oh Hilary, you got taken! Too funny! 

[bannana]

Missed two things:

• I believe when Paul was talking to Drinki about the gun problem, he referenced the fact that she killed her father with a gun.  Really?  we could certainly bring in more recent murders of Drinki's, like Diane.
• At one point, when Vic was supposedly coaching Abby, she told her to be "honest".  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[miamama]

2 hours ago, bannana said:

Many here and on the US thread have discussed what Show is doing to the Victoria persona, which to me is quite puzzling in that she seems almost Stepford Drinki-like.  An automaton determined to please her daddy and alienate absolutely everyone else from her life. 

And Phyllis is so FUN and COOL and EASY and HOT and SEXY and LOYAL to her (many) friends.

Funny that.

[NinjaPenguins]

Fuck Abby. Choosing between rooting for her or her rotten sister is like choosing between getting a pap smear or a rectal exam from Wolverine. 

[PatsyandEddie]

11 hours ago, bannana said:

Missed two things:

• I believe when Paul was talking to Drinki about the gun problem, he referenced the fact that she killed her father with a gun.  Really?  we could certainly bring in more recent murders of Drinki's, like Diane.
• At one point, when Vic was supposedly coaching Abby, she told her to be "honest".  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

Maybe I’m getting too old but didn’t Nikki hit her father over the head with an iron when he was attacking her? 

[pearlite]

14 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I was quite happy with Abby today too. WTH is the matter with Victoria? Seriously. She is a bitch. 

Oh Hilary, you got taken! Too funny! 

Like some people, I'm very surprised at how my reaction to the Victoria and Abby characters have reversed. I was always just kind of neutral on Victoria [although AH has wonderful hair...] and disliked most incarnations of Abby [although I like something about MO the actress as a person].

The Victoria shift to loathing on my part is mainly based on Malodourous' manipulation of characters--she's pretty impossible to stand at the mo--unless she's had a tiny psychotic break. But I'm actually liking Abby most of the time at the moment--she seems to make more sense some of the time. And much as soap couples don't do much for me, I think there is actually good chemistry between her and the Scott character. It doesn't seem too forced, and over-rides MalHack's attempt to shoehorn them into Battling Bickersons who fall in wuv.

And hey, Sharon handled vegetables! Whoah, hold me back--has she moved on from mac and cheese?

[Kemper]

I am surprised I like Scott and Abby as a couple, too.  They don't make me want to pull my hair or contemplate a root canal like ALL the other "couples" on the show.  Still wish they would do something with Hillary.  It is kind of too bad that they have given us a couple with a little chemistry and then the actress is going on maternity leave.  Maybe they should have waited til she came back.  But seriously?  Who on earth thinks we anticipate ANY romantic doings between Phyllis/Jack and Nick/Chelsea.  I've seen "Nick" have chemistry at times with Sharon...but please don't put them back together.  Wasn't Sharon married to Jack back in the day?  But Jack deserves better.  

And while I feel badly for MTS and her back problems....maybe they could put her in sneakers or orthopedic shoes (since they hardly ever show her from the waist down) .. that way I wouldn't cringe every time she takes more than two steps.  Or, since she is supposed to have MS, let her use a walker or cane.  THAT would be a wonderful public service "announcement" for people who have a chronic, debilitating disease.  And it would be just as effective, or maybe even more than Dina's heartbreaking diagnosis.

[bannana]

6 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

 

Maybe I’m getting too old but didn’t Nikki hit her father over the head with an iron when he was attacking her? 

@PatsyandEddie, I may have misheard that as I was in the kitchen cooking, but still, why reference an ancient murder when Drinki has   fresher ones?

[NeverLate]

Scott, you Judas! Sharon's is all jealous now. 

I like Abby and Scotty as a couple.

 

Hillary will be back with Devon soon enough, she's allowed to humiliate everyone, but nobody can do the same to her.Got it.

Nick and Chelsea, also make a good couple! Victor is an ass!

I like how Nick handled Dina setting fire to his club.

Edited November 28, 2017 by NeverLate

[bannana]

I had the show on in the background on mute before I watched it, and I was wondering why Noah was at TOTT with Sharon.  Hah!  Totally forgot that he is the manager, and boy does he look out of place.  Sharon would be a better fit.

The problem with this day per episode approach is that the fallout from big or biggish stuff falls flat when characters do not react in the next scene to what just happened.  Such as, Prick and Vic's reaction to Abby's press conference, which should have happened immediately after.  This is going to tank the show, as there is no more DRAMA!

• So it is the next day, and Vic is at TOTT at the bar reading #Hashtag on her tablet and ranting to new GM Noah about Abby ruining the press conference. Noah defends Abby, saying Prick and Vic jabbed first, and she was defending herself.  Vic says she was supposed to take one for the team.  Oh, Queen Vic, you just don't know a thing about leadership or management, do you.  Vic went to Trump University and majored in bullying and autocracy.  Vic says Abs cannot separate personal from professional and Noah says it was personal on Vic's part to make Abby take the fall for her dead boyfriend's deviant behaviour.  He says: you cannot blame her for wanting to set the record straight.  Oh, Noah, you will not last long in the viper pit that is Newman.  Noah wonders about the way she talked about Scott, as though they were the dynamic duo, when she is supposed to hate him.  Vic says she will never understand why she does what she does, but she needs to be dealt with.  Scary!
• Scott is at Sharon's and she is decidedly frosty.  Sharon is annoyed that Abby drew Scott into her grandstanding and reckless behaviour last night.  Scott said she stood up for herself and gave profile to the sex trafficking story.  Sharon agrees the story should be told, but the way that Scott did it, puts him in Prick and Vic's crosshairs.  Sharon says Abby is a magnet for drama and she suggests he distance himself from her.  He apologizes for missing the dinner she prepared, and she tensely says, it was no big deal, you came over afterwards.  Cause that happened yesterday, so Show cannot show us today.  Scott says he knows she went to a lot of trouble, he saw the fancy meal in the fridge.  He wants to make it up to her by taking her out to dinner at TOTT.  She is thrilled.  I would still be pissed about the missed special dinner I had cooked for this bozo.  And then Abby is at the door, saying, hi neighbour, hope you don't mind my dropping by, I am here to see Scott. Abby is talking to him about his story in #hashtag, and praising him and Sharon's getting annoyed and leaves to go to work.  Abby wonders whether Sharon has an issue with her.  They talk about the press conference and how pleased Abby is with it.  They are both expecting to get fired, but Abby has a plan to circumvent that.
• At the GCAC, Devon is looking at Hil's nudie pics, when Charlie arrives.
• Hil is at CL on the phone with an advertiser who is dropping her show, and who accuses her of posting the nude photos herself.  Chelz shows up just in time to goad her about her secrets being exposed to the world. Hil says she is not ashamed, she looks hot in the pictures, and says they are artistic and not pornographic.  Chelz gives props to Jordan for the public and spectacular humiliation he rained down on Hilary after what she did to them.  I have to agree.
• Paul is at the penthouse telling Nick about the fire investigation.  Paul tells him that it was Dina and no charges will be laid.  Chelz arrives and gets filled in.  Nick rails about the fact that Dina is getting away with this because she is an Abbott.  Paul tells Nick the insurance company will pay him, and he finally tells Nick that Dina has Alzheimers after Nick rants away about Dina being just like Prick.  Nick and Chelz then back right off and apologize.
• Charlie is talking to Devon at the GCAC about getting an internship with the music biz at HWG.  They talk about how messed up life is for the Ashbys.  He's worried about little Sam.  Thank you for an update on Sam, Chuckie!  Chuckie says he feels guilty when he is visiting Sam.  Devon says Lily would be proud of Chuckie showing support to his little bro.  He tells him not to let this stuff affect who he is.
• Sharon is at CL and tries to be supportive to Hilary who blows her off.  Sharon says what happened to Hil is wrong, and she is sorry for what she is going through.  Hil wants to know why Sharon is being nice to her.  Sharon says she worked with Scott on the sex trafficking ring and saw the horrors those girls endured.  She cannot help feeling for someone who is exploited as Hilary was.  Sharon offers resources from the hotline to help Hil!  Hil says she is nobody's victim and has it all under control.  Hil calls Devon and he wants to know if he can do anything for her, and she says she has a proposal for him.  He and Chuckie got to CL, and Chuckie also will meet his friend there.
• Scott and Abby arrive at Newman to enact their plan.  Vic arrives and tells them Prick is out of town and they are to meet with her.  She calls Abby in first.  Vic goes into her automaton Stepford COO mode, and starts rhyming off the damage Abby's impromptu speech generated, that she was supposed to follow the script and instead she colluded with Scott.  Abby cuts her off, and Vic says she is not finished, and Abby says she is done listening.  She tells her she will save her the trouble of firing her, and says:  I quit.  YAY, Abby!  Hightail it to Jabot!
• Nick and Chelz talk about Dina's condition and Nick worries that it could happen to his parents, and that in spite of being estranged from Prick, Nick says he still loves him.  Chelz asks if he has second thoughts about cutting him off.  Yawn.
• Devon shows up at CL and has a brief convo with Sharon about Mariah, all very civil and respectful. 
• Abby leaves Prick's office with a big smile on her face, and Vic calls Scott in.  Vic says she assumes that Scott and Abby are taking a stand and he is going to quit too.  He confirms this and she gives him a severance cheque, because he helped save Abby's life.  As he is about to leave, Vic gets a call and then tells Scott to wait.
• Hil pitches to Devon that HWG take her show under their umbrella and sponsor her show.  She makes the pitch as being mutually beneficial cause she can showcase their artists.  Charlie and his buddy are looking at the Hil nude photos and laughing loudly across the room.  Devon marches right over and gives them a lecture about respecting women, and tells them to leave.  He returns to Hil and she is all business.  Devon says he doesn't want to take on more at HWG after the PR acquisition, and she says there is no work involved, he just needs to write a cheque.  He says her gossipy gotcha brand of show doesn't fit their brand and values, and she loses it.  She says, so now she is not good enough for his company.  She lashes out at how he and Neil are always knocking her down, throwing her mistakes in her face while they have their own boatload of drama.  She is about to stomp out.  He tries to stop her, and she tries to resist him and then he is hugging her and she is breaking down crying from her nude photo PTSD.
• Abby has two big boxes in front of MO's baby belly!  She is packing up her office and offers Scott a box for his.  He says he is staying at Newman, they are keeping #hashtag and they offered him a bonus.  Abby is furious because they had a deal.  Scott explains that the comments on his article where 80% positive according to the PR co.  Vic says she is being told to keep Scott on board.  Wow, she actually listens to the PR people?  Abby tells Scott she will never ever forget or forgive him for breaking their pact.  And now Abby is back to where she rightly belongs, a completely self-absorbed baby.  My Abby like lasted not even one Mal Young day.  She stomps out with her boxes.
• Sharon shows up at TOTT in a gold lame dress, and I am struggling to describe this.  Because obvi, with that rockin' body, she looks good in the dress, but I think the dress is either ugly or just ugly on her.  Scott is very complimentary and they are flirty with each other.  He is about to order the champagne when Abby stomps in and goes to the bar.  Scott excuses himself from Sharon, thus leaving her sitting alone on his make up for missing her special dinner she cooked for him date.  And he didn't even order her a drink yet!  Bad move, Scott.  Scott tells Abby she deserves to be rewarded as much as he does.  He tells her to go to Vic and rescind her resignation.  Thankfully Abby says he is crazy, she would never crawl back, and besides, Vic is thrilled that she is gone.  Abby realizes she played right into Vic's hands by quitting.
• Devon and Hil are at the GCAC bar having a drink.  She tells him he has done enough for her, and he says he feels bad for her.  She breaks down and says she feels violated.  She is paralyzed by this.  The photos are out there forever.  She is worried about how she will explain it to her future kids.  She is hurt because she was betrayed by a man that she trusted.  She says that some will say this is the universe paying her back for the way she treated guests on her show, how she has exposed their secrets.  Now she is exposed.  Hil says she hates herself.  She hates feeling this way, and that she has made others feel this way, too.  Really?  Sorry, I don't believe that.  MM must not be that great an actress because I didn't believe any of her PTSD sobbing and self-recrimination.  Devon says this is an opportunity to make a change, and use her show for good and not evil.  Later, they part, saying they are friends.
• Chelz receives an invite for her and the boys to a tree-lighting ceremony at the Ranch.  Chelz says she won't go without Nick.
• Noah wonders where Sharon's date is, and she indicates he is at the bar.  Sharon wonders if Abby has a thing for Scott.  Noah says Abby despises Scott.  Sharon isn't so sure.  Noah says Scott is absolutely crazy about Sharon.  Sharon says, maybe it is time she shows Scott how crazy she is about him.  Wait, Sharon, are we talking "crazy" or crazy buggy eyes Sharon crazy?  Scott, meanwhile, is trying to convince Abby that he is only staying at Newman because he wants to change things in the world, and fight injustice.  He tells her he is sorry about how her family is treating her and how things turned out.  Abby says, she takes it back, about not being able to forgive and forget.

Previews:  At CL, Lily to Cane:  What's wrong, and Cane replies, it's Sam's doctor, he needs to see me as soon as possible, it sounds serious.  Jack, sounding frustrated,  to Dina:  I am trying to make things a little festive around here, and Dina snaps back: Frankly, I could care less.  Ash, at Jabot seated at Jack's desk, to Glo:  I am in charge, deal with it.

[peacheslatour]

Quote

Hil says she hates herself. 

Now she knows how I feel. Great bannana-cap  thanks!

[NinjaPenguins]

Is it wrong that I have not one fuck to give about Sam? Lily will never get away from Cane's bloodsucking ass.

Hey, have I mentioned lately Fuck Abby? Because seriously, fuck her. Go trolling for attention from a man who isn't taken. They can't all be sex traffickers. Scott, you are a dildo and the show already has Nick.

[jewel21]

I hate this 'every episode is a new day' crap. There is a baby in an NICU unit somewhere that we haven`t even seen and has only now been brought up. In the old days, this would have been major and we would have gotten tons of screen time devoted to this. Now, everything is 'blink and you miss it' and it`s hurting the show.

And I agree, that dress looked hideous on Sharon. It just wasn't her color. Bless her for trying to pull it off, but the wardrobe people should be shot.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for Hilary, but she's a bitch, and so is karma.

[boes]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Now she knows how I feel. Great bannana-cap  thanks!

 

5 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Is it wrong that I have not one fuck to give about Sam? Lily will never get away from Cane's bloodsucking ass.

Hey, have I mentioned lately Fuck Abby? Because seriously, fuck her. Go trolling for attention from a man who isn't taken. They can't all be sex traffickers. Scott, you are a dildo and the show already has Nick.

YES!

Hillary is a worthless POS - I don't care if she is the fulfillment of Darvon's adolescent wet dreams.  The only person she can claim the moral high ground from is Kneel, the King of Boat house slime and Kidnapping.  He's so much worse.  But Hillary is no prize.

Victoria being a POS is nothing new, unfortunately, but that does not automatically make Abby anything more than a 20 watt bulb in a 60 watt circuit.

[DivaT]

Posting naked pics of someone on the internet is akin too sexual assault. I'll never think anyone deserves that. But I did enjoy the writing for Hilary and MiM played those scenes very well. She and BJ always shine bright in their scenes together. I hope MY continues building Hevon's frirndship. It was nice to see. 

Things are way too heavy in the Abby,Scott, Sharon triangle. Almost every scene Sharon and Scott have together, Abby shows up. Just an observation because I don't care who Scott is actually paired with. I don't care that he is cheating on Sharon either. I actually wouldn't even care if Abby and  Scott had sex in Sharon's house. That's just how little investment I have in either one of these people. 

I was surprised at how Chelsea mocked Hilary. She's been such a saccharine heroine for so long, that it seemed OOC. Now, maybe MY is ready to give her teeth again. I hope so because Hilary cannot carry and drive every story on her back as the villain. 

 

Speaking of villains, the show is really doing a number on Vikki. While she may have been a daddy's girl and ambitious, even when HT play the role, Vikki was not heartless. 

10 hours ago, jewel21 said:

I hate this 'every episode is a new day' crap. There is a baby in an NICU unit somewhere that we haven`t even seen and has only now been brought up. In the old days, this would have been major and we would have gotten tons of screen time devoted to this. Now, everything is 'blink and you miss it' and it`s hurting the show.

And I agree, that dress looked hideous on Sharon. It just wasn't her color. Bless her for trying to pull it off, but the wardrobe people should be shot.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for Hilary, but she's a bitch, and so is karma.

 

I don't think one episode a day is why we aren't getting Sam drama at the hospital. We manage to get alot of everything else in this format. I think it's cause MY ain't interested in the story. 

 

But I agree, the format hurts the show. Beats are barely played. 

Edited November 29, 2017 by DivaT

[basiltherat]

What Mal-feasance is doing is actually the OPPOSITE of soap opera.  In Soap Opera Land, one event may last for days and days.  In Mal-Land, days are skipped and all the beats are never played.  Who Shot J.R. would have happened and been solved off-screen between commercials.

[Tippi]

I am surprised how I'm still steamed (and not in a good way) about the picture babyhouseman posted of two cats in heat having relations atop a desk in a corporate office setting.  They looked like two desperate fools who should have been escorted out of the building and barred from re-entering.   Every day these two are not on the show is a blessing.

Many thanks, again, to bannana, for her recaps and/or warnings of awfulness to come.