Farrah

[CofCinci]

16 minutes ago, druzy said:

I would too. Hopefully it will be attached as an exhibit in a motion.

Would you be able to access it? It would be very interesting to read a TM contract. 

[LotusFlower]

28 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Apparently by not doing whatever it says in paragraph 3 of the contract, I guess.

I would enjoy reading her contract.

Sure, we would need to see the contract to talk about the legal merits.  But even if she did everything in “paragraph 3” of her contract, I’m sure she’s leaving out other clauses.  All tv shows, especially reality tv shows, have behavior-related clauses in place that allow them to fire cast members at will.  Or other things like not appearing in competing shows or networks, stuff like that.  I think it’s also important to keep in mind that she was fired once before for her porno, so I can’t imagine MTV hired her again without addressing this in the next contract they signed with her.  Farrah seems to know this, which is why she’s suing them for “sex shaming,” not for violating her contract.

[meredithalmighty]

Bring on the popcorn! My guess is that it will settle out of court like the Tonya Cooley lawsuit and we won't get to see the Teen Mom contract.  

[GreatKazu]

8 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Sure, we would need to see the contract to talk about the legal merits.  But even if she did everything in “paragraph 3” of her contract, I’m sure she’s leaving out other clauses.  All tv shows, especially reality tv shows, have behavior-related clauses in place that allow them to fire cast members at will.  Or other things like not appearing in competing shows or networks, stuff like that.  I think it’s also important to keep in mind that she was fired once before for her porno, so I can’t imagine MTV hired her again without addressing this in the next contract they signed with her.  Farrah seems to know this, which is why she’s suing them for “sex shaming,” not for violating her contract.

Farrah was not fired. She was not asked to return to the show when MTV brought the show back.

[druzy]

19 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Would you be able to access it? It would be very interesting to read a TM contract. 

Federal Courts require a membership to access court records. Hopefully TMZ or Radar will post the documents. 

[LotusFlower]

29 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Farrah was not fired. She was not asked to return to the show when MTV brought the show back.

But my point was that she signed a new contract that undoubtedly addressed the porn issue.  Plus, the “not getting asked back” issue is something not in her favor.  It means she was aware that MTV was against any participation in porn.  

[toodywoody]

But why now? How long ago did she do the freaking porn and now they are having problems with it? 

[LotusFlower]

19 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

But why now? How long ago did she do the freaking porn and now they are having problems with it? 

There was some sort of televised porno she was publicizing around Halloween (a webcam or something).

[StatisticalOutlier]

8 hours ago, Vandy10 said:

I could go on with Leah, Maci, Briana, etc. but you get my point. The MTV crew know what vile pieces of trash most of these cast members are [to their children and others], but since they're nice enough to the crew, they have no thoughts about firing them.

I can't say I have a problem with that.  The show is about vile pieces of trash (and always has been, if you share certain opinions with Michael).  If I had a choice between making a show documenting the behavior of vile pieces of trash who are somewhat cooperative and making a show documenting the behavior of vile pieces of trash who treat me like shit, I'd stick with the ones who don't treat me like shit.  I'd put up with it as long as I think it's to my benefit, but once the scale tips...

 

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The only way I can live with myself for watching these godawful people continue to be such godawful people on TV is because I watch the show in ways that give no money to MTV or their advertisers.

Me, too.  My DirecTV dish is one-way only.  It never sends anything back to the mothership, so nobody has any idea what I'm watching.  I honestly think I wouldn't watch it at all if that weren't the case, for the same reasons you stated.

I also never go to any of these people's instagrams or twitters or whatever, just in case they're making money (directly or indirectly) from hits. 

 

4 hours ago, TheRealT said:

I also don't blame Farrah for not wanting, what?, 10 (or more) additional people using her bathroom. In addition to the cleanliness/convenience issues, I wouldn't trust the producers not to snoop through my stuff and I wouldn't want to deal with having to be careful about what I left in my bathroom to protect my privacy. It must be a huge pain in the ass when MTV comes to their homes to film and I imagine that certain rooms/areas are off-limits, even for the "nice" cast members who consider the crew "family." Also, surely professional film crews are used to shooting in locations where there is no available bathroom and they have to drive down the road to a gas station or whatever. They made a big deal of it and featured it on the show multiple times to make Farrah look bad.

I'd never thought about the crew members snooping through her stuff, and 100% believe they would do that.  But she had a big house that surely had an extra bathroom that she could have designated for them, and not kept anything personal in there, like a lot of people's guest bathrooms.  Not that she's required to do even that out of the goodness of her heart.  But she could have if she didn't want to be an asshole.

I also think she could have been more gracious about it.  Recently I've been walking around San Francisco and every house renovation apparently has to have a portapotty available, usually out on the sidewalk.  I noticed that a lot of them have wood walls or whatever around them--maybe cladding.  And it's nice walls/cladding, and it took me a while to figure out that they were actually portapotties; I thought they were storage containers or something.  Anyway, they're not just a big blue plastic thing sitting there; they actually look kind of nice. 

Sure, she's not required to do that, but it would have left a different impression on me (and surely on her neighbors)--that big blue portapotty in her driveway always made me laugh, and not in a good way.

I know a guy who used to do field audits for sales tax compliance.  He'd work at the business's location, going through their books and records.  He was always amazed at how some of them treated him, like saying they don't have an office space for him but there's an outdoor area where he can work, when it's freezing outside.  He didn't expect to be treated like a king, but did wonder why some of the people he was auditing would act like that.  He had all the real power, and they were at his mercy.  So why treat him like shit?

And in Farrah's case, the crew has the cameras and they control the story line.  What good will come from making them your enemy?  You don't have to be their best friend, but you can be benign instead of malignant.  Well, maybe unless you're Farrah.

 

3 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

She “feared for (her) life?”  LOL.  Ok, Farrah. 

I know you throw everything including the kitchen sink in the complaint, but come on.  Hostile tone, mannerisms, and body language made her fear for her life?  Farrah?  Who has shown ZERO skills at reading people? 

And since when are judges' names redacted?  Is this a federal court thing?  Is s/he going to wear a mask while on the bench?  Maybe radaronline did it?  But why?

And really..."principle place of business"?  Her lawyer doesn't have "principal place of business" in a macro of some sort? 

[LotusFlower]

8 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I know you throw everything including the kitchen sink in the complaint, but come on.  Hostile tone, mannerisms, and body language made her fear for her life?  Farrah?  Who has shown ZERO skills at reading people? 

That made me literally Laugh Out Loud.  In the preview for next week's episode, they showed a quick clip of the conversation in question, and he certainly didn't seem "hostile" or dangerous or aggressive in any way.  I wonder if the filing will affect the airing of the episode.

[snarts]

I'm glad she filed suit and I hope she wins/gets a settlement. 

[TheRealT]

3 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I also think she could have been more gracious about it.  Recently I've been walking around San Francisco and every house renovation apparently has to have a portapotty available, usually out on the sidewalk.  I noticed that a lot of them have wood walls or whatever around them--maybe cladding.  And it's nice walls/cladding, and it took me a while to figure out that they were actually portapotties; I thought they were storage containers or something.  Anyway, they're not just a big blue plastic thing sitting there; they actually look kind of nice. 

Sure, she's not required to do that, but it would have left a different impression on me (and surely on her neighbors)--that big blue portapotty in her driveway always made me laugh, and not in a good way.

As I understand it, when Farrah first forbade the crew to use her bathroom, they went to some nearby store or whatever to use the facilities there. After a while, MTV decided to get a port-a-potty for the crew. So MTV decided how nice a port-a-potty to get and where to put it (presumably with Farrah's permission, but I can see why she wouldn't want it on her lawn where it would kill the grass, so the driveway made sense). It was certainly MTV's decision to include multiple shots of the p-a-p on the show, making it look/seem awkward.

I can understand the producers not liking Farrah and I can understand them being annoyed about having to use the p-a-p, but I just don't care. The producers have good jobs in a very competitive industry and lots of people in that position have to do far worse things than use a p-a-p. Honestly, I question whether they were really even "forced" to use it. I could totally see Port-a-PottyGate being somewhat put-on, like they were mostly free to continue going to the store or wherever to use the bathroom if they wanted, but the p-a-p was installed to create a storyline/try to make Farrah feel bad/try to make Farrah look bad/provide a quick or emergency toilet option/whatever.

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, TheRealT said:

As I understand it, when Farrah first forbade the crew to use her bathroom, they went to some nearby store or whatever to use the facilities there. After a while, MTV decided to get a port-a-potty for the crew. So MTV decided how nice a port-a-potty to get and where to put it (presumably with Farrah's permission, but I can see why she wouldn't want it on her lawn where it would kill the grass, so the driveway made sense). It was certainly MTV's decision to include multiple shots of the p-a-p on the show, making it look/seem awkward.

I can understand the producers not liking Farrah and I can understand them being annoyed about having to use the p-a-p, but I just don't care. The producers have good jobs in a very competitive industry and lots of people in that position have to do far worse things than use a p-a-p. Honestly, I question whether they were really even "forced" to use it. I could totally see Port-a-PottyGate being somewhat put-on, like they were mostly free to continue going to the store or wherever to use the bathroom if they wanted, but the p-a-p was installed to create a storyline/try to make Farrah feel bad/try to make Farrah look bad/provide a quick or emergency toilet option/whatever.

And that's why I wouldn't treat the crew like shit--like I said, they're the ones with the cameras and the editing machine, and you ignore that at your peril.

[TheRealT]

21 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

And that's why I wouldn't treat the crew like shit--like I said, they're the ones with the cameras and the editing machine, and you ignore that at your peril.

Totally, but that's part of what I appreciate about Farrah-- her total lack of fucks to give about how MTV feels about her or what they might do to retaliate for her making that apparent. A healthy part of that is her general lack of communication/relationship skills, but still.

Most of the TM girls have absolutely nothing going on in their lives outside of the show, so they gratefully eat up the producers' manipulations and play whatever game MTV tells them to play (notwithstanding a temper tantrum here and there from some of them). Farrah is more, "Fuck you, I'll do what I want and here are my demands...," backed up with her actually being willing/able to walk away from MTV if it comes to that (unlike, say, Jenelle). So kudos to her, IMO. She isn't nice, but MTV is an evil corporation served by the corrupt toady producers, so they don't deserve "nice."

[TexasGal]

7 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Sure, we would need to see the contract to talk about the legal merits.  But even if she did everything in “paragraph 3” of her contract, I’m sure she’s leaving out other clauses.  All tv shows, especially reality tv shows, have behavior-related clauses in place that allow them to fire cast members at will.  Or other things like not appearing in competing shows or networks, stuff like that.  I think it’s also important to keep in mind that she was fired once before for her porno, so I can’t imagine MTV hired her again without addressing this in the next contract they signed with her.  Farrah seems to know this, which is why she’s suing them for “sex shaming,” not for violating her contract.

Yep.  And, I’m sure her contract probably has a provision regarding where lawsuits can be filed, and it’s probably not where she lives.  Although that could work in her favor, it’s probably NY or CA where a jury would be more sympathetic to these allegations (coughBScough) than Texas.  Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if the contract says they have to go to mediation or arbitration of disputes not court.

Edited February 22, 2018 by TexasGal

[LotusFlower]

34 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

Totally, but that's part of what I appreciate about Farrah-- her total lack of fucks to give about how MTV feels about her or what they might do to retaliate for her making that apparent. A healthy part of that is her general lack of communication/relationship skills, but still.

Most of the TM girls have absolutely nothing going on in their lives outside of the show, so they gratefully eat up the producers' manipulations and play whatever game MTV tells them to play (notwithstanding a temper tantrum here and there from some of them). Farrah is more, "Fuck you, I'll do what I want and here are my demands...," backed up with her actually being willing/able to walk away from MTV if it comes to that (unlike, say, Jenelle). So kudos to her, IMO. She isn't nice, but MTV is an evil corporation served by the corrupt toady producers, so they don't deserve "nice."

I don’t understand this at all.  I think the opposite is true.  She gives zero fucks about how MTV might retaliate against her behavior?  They fired her, and she’s  suing them over it!  She’ll do what she wants and can then walk away from MTV if it comes to that?  Again, she’s suing them!

She’s angry at their decision, and she’s retaliating via a lawsuit.  If that isn’t the act of someone who gives AF, I don’t know what is.  

[TheRealT]

2 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

I don’t understand this at all.  I think the opposite is true.  She gives zero fucks about how MTV might retaliate against her behavior?  They fired her, and she’s  suing them over it!  She’ll do what she wants and can then walk away from MTV if it comes to that?  Again, she’s suing them!

She’s angry at their decision, and she’s retaliating via a lawsuit.  If that isn’t the act of someone who gives AF, I don’t know what is.  

IMO, MTV's ideal reaction from Farrah and all the others to [what I see as MTV's evil machinations in the form of] the producers being like, "Wow, Farrah [or whoever], I thought we were friends?! Don't you want to open up about all your juicy, personal business on camera? Don't you want to do all you can to facilitate filming your life? We're family! I love you!" would be for Farrah [or whoever] to be like, "I love you guys too! Sure, film whatever you want! Shit in my toilet! Dirty up my floors! It's all good! How many IG followers do I have now?!"

So when I say she gives zero fucks I mean she's not buying into that bullshit. I don't think that that means she shouldn't/can't sue MTV if she thinks doing so will be advantageous to her in whatever way. Basically, what I mean is that I think that Farrah realizes that she has a business relationship with MTV, including the crew, and that the crew's "We love you! How are you, girl? OMG, what else did he say... BTW, is it ok if we film this?" is phony and manipulative. Apparently, Farrah had what she saw as a real relationship with that one producer (Heather?) and she was pissed when they fired her and wasn't willing to play nice with the homophobic bitch (in Farrah's view) who replaced her. And, unlike some TM girls might be willing to do, she wasn't willing to pretend to be ok with any of it. So I understand and respect that.

[LotusFlower]

3 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

IMO, MTV's ideal reaction from Farrah and all the others to [what I see as MTV's evil machinations in the form of] the producers being like, "Wow, Farrah [or whoever], I thought we were friends?! Don't you want to open up about all your juicy, personal business on camera? Don't you want to do all you can to facilitate filming your life? We're family! I love you!" would be for Farrah [or whoever] to be like, "I love you guys too! Sure, film whatever you want! Shit in my toilet! Dirty up my floors! It's all good! How many IG followers do I have now?!"

So when I say she gives zero fucks I mean she's not buying into that bullshit. I don't think that that means she shouldn't/can't sue MTV if she thinks doing so will be advantageous to her in whatever way. Basically, what I mean is that I think that Farrah realizes that she has a business relationship with MTV, including the crew, and that the crew's "We love you! How are you, girl? OMG, what else did he say... BTW, is it ok if we film this?" is phony and manipulative. Apparently, Farrah had what she saw as a real relationship with that one producer (Heather?) and she was pissed when they fired her and wasn't willing to play nice with the homophobic bitch (in Farrah's view) who replaced her. And, unlike some TM girls might be willing to do, she wasn't willing to pretend to be ok with any of it. So I understand and respect that.

Their “business relationship” with Farrah is one based on documenting her life, so I don’t see how filming her is phony. Manipulative?  Of course.  But that’s reality tv, and she signed up for it, and gets paid handsomely.  

Because it’s a job, she has to adhere to certain policies that were undoubtedly outlined in her contract.  She instead decided to ignore them or do whatever she wanted, which I guess is something you admire, but it got her fired.  Ok, those are the rules.  But she’s mad, so she’s suing.  I respect people who take on Goliath when others are too afraid and there are real gripes or issues of unfairness, but that’s hardly the case here.  Farrah’s “I’m a big star and I’ll do what I want” attitude finally caught up with her.  

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

Their “business relationship” with Farrah is one based on documenting her life, so I don’t see how filming her is phony. Manipulative?  Of course.  But that’s reality tv, and she signed up for it, and gets paid handsomely.  

Because it’s a job, she has to adhere to certain policies that were undoubtedly outlined in her contract.  She instead decided to ignore them or do whatever she wanted, which I guess is something you admire, but it got her fired.  Ok, those are the rules.  But she’s mad, so she’s suing.  I respect people who take on Goliath when others are too afraid and there are real gripes or issues of unfairness, but that’s hardly the case here.  Farrah’s “I’m a big star and I’ll do what I want” attitude finally caught up with her.  

I get that. What confuses me, though, is that her "celebrity sex tape" has been out for a while and she's been working at strip clubs and doing the adult industry stuff for years. So why NOW? Why has it suddenly become a problem?

[GreatKazu]

3 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I get that. What confuses me, though, is that her "celebrity sex tape" has been out for a while and she's been working at strip clubs and doing the adult industry stuff for years. So why NOW? Why has it suddenly become a problem?

Right. Why didn't they go after her for breach of contract if she has violated the terms with her adult businesses within the past couple of years? And if they took such issue with her adult business, why did they contract her back on the show when it came back as Teen Mom OG? Oh, that's right. Because the show was not pulling in the ratings that MTV wanted and needed. They needed Farrah to pull in ratings. 

[LotusFlower]

46 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I get that. What confuses me, though, is that her "celebrity sex tape" has been out for a while and she's been working at strip clubs and doing the adult industry stuff for years. So why NOW? Why has it suddenly become a problem?

I’m not positive, but I think she did a lot of appearances and hosting-type stuff at different adult entertainment gigs over the years.  But then this year she started doing the hard-core stuff again, and it was publicized on sites like TMZ.  So they probably said enough.  Here’s a link to one of the TMZ stories:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/31/farrah-abraham-bails-on-backdoor-camsoda-refunds/

[ginger90]

Has MTV filmed and aired her “adult industry” appearances for the show?

[charmed1]

Though she should not be fired for her porn, Farrah is a vile piece of shit and should’ve already been fired for falsely accusing a man of rape. I find that even more disgusting than David’s Twitter rants. 

[CofCinci]

55 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

Though she should not be fired for her porn, Farrah is a vile piece of shit and should’ve already been fired for falsely accusing a man of rape. I find that even more disgusting than David’s Twitter rants. 

Did Farrah ever state she lied about being raped by James Deen?  She consented to sex with him but it sounded like he went outside of the limits and boundaries that they first agreed upon - which he did with other women too.  Porn stars can be sexually assaulted.

[charmed1]

I wasn’t referring to James Deen. She falsely accused her Uber driver of trying to rape her. 

[teapot]

wtf is "refusing to conform to gender stereotypes?'  Is Farrah-speak now appearing on legal documents???

[Jennifersdc]

38 minutes ago, teapot said:

wtf is "refusing to conform to gender stereotypes?'  Is Farrah-speak now appearing on legal documents???

It appears so!

My FIL is a very big labor lawyer (his resume is more impressive than mine, my husband’s and every boss I ever had put together - public sector though so not like he was raking in millions) so I can add some clarity.

I don’t think her suit has any merit. They can fire her for any reason they want (I’m 99% sure she was an at-will employee in her contract).

Basically she has to prove that she was fired because of her sex, age, race, handicap or religion (note how the suit kept referring to her as a protected class -woman). As my FIL says - basically everybody unless you’re fat or gay. But she has to prove she was fired cause she was a woman (ie - they wouldn’t have fired a man in the same situation).

They can absolutely fire her for porn-related (or other) activities as being detrimental to their image or what they deem as unacceptable behavior towards fellow employees. 

She has a long road to climb. Viacom won’t necessarily settle to just get rid of her. This sets a bad precedent for future “reality stars” that they fire. It’s not like Viacom needs to hire outside counsel for this. They have full-time, in-house lawyers to handle this. I assume her lawyer is doing this on a contingency basis - but if she’s paying them they’ll bury her in costs pretty quick.

[ginger90]

Is she suing for being fired, or for the way she was treated while employed? 

[Jax7917]

I do think she should be fired , but I think it should have been long ago and for how disgusting a person she is along with how she treats her bosses . This show is so screwed up . It's like the tail wagging the dog with this cast and crew . 

[GreatKazu]

Farrah is/was an independent contractor. She was never an employee of MTV. 

Hey, MTV. Here is an idea. Cancel the show altogether. 

Edited February 22, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Jennifersdc]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Farrah is/was an independent contractor. She was never an employee of MTV. 

Hey, MTV. Here is an idea. Cancel the show altogether. 

Woo hoo! Cancel.

If she’s suing as an independent contractor than the language in her suit seems to be wrong as she keeps referring herself to as a member of a protected class and seems to be indicating she was discriminated against in some way. I think employment laws re discrimination are different in that case? I’m not the labor lawyer though and certainly ain’t going to ask my FIL about a cast member from TM.

I also wouldn’t be that surprised if she got herself a labor law textbook and wrote this garbled, semi-coherent argument herself and had a lawyer just file it.

[ginger90]

Amber’s brother chimes in

Shawn Portwood @ShawnPortwood

Replying to @TheAshleysRR

Ha, what a crock of shit. #Snowflakes #SoFragile #safespacewithcrayons @F1abraham

 

[kokapetl]

Is Michael also her manager? 

[Snarky McSnarky]

Wouldn't this lawsuit basically eliminate any future work with other television productions, i.e., Marriage Boot Camp?  Who would want to contract with Farrah if there's a high probability she will sue if things don't work out in her favor?

I wonder how Michael likes having her as a permanent house guest.  It does not appear she will be moving to L.A., and she hasn't bought or rented anything in Austin.

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 2/13/2018 at 6:49 AM, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I know that is isn't considered appropriate to talk badly of the children, but Sophia is obnoxious.  I have a daughter who is a year younger than Sophia.  There are these times when she talks in such a way that she is clearly trying to be cute and put on a show for people.  My husband and I have to tell her to stop and tell her that anytime a kid tries to act cute, he or she almost always fails and ends up just looking annoying and weird.  That is how Sophia talks.  She reminds me of my daughter trying to be cute.  She also is clearly always trying to say what she is expected to say.  I'm not fan no Deb or David, so don't get me wrong here, but Sophia is clearly just parroting what Farrah has been saying.  And, for the love of all that is holy, Farrah, you spend hours on your hair and makeup.  Can you not take some time to make Sophia look like she didn't just escape living in the jungle with the wolf boy?

I love you for this!!! Lol i have a 7 yr old daughter and i know EXACTLY what you're talking about. My husband and i tell her the same thing, i think because we love her so much i refuse to let her be that weird/awkward child.

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 2/15/2018 at 6:45 AM, BlancheDevoreaux said:

Sounds good to me.  Barb is the one raising Jace, anyway.   You know, I would also love a clip-style show with Barb introducing each clip and then giving her two cents on what was just viewed. I can just imagine her talking about how Ryan is high and Farrah is a whore.

Bring in the riveras and morraquins for me!! Im waiting on mama janet and mama morraquin's cafecito'! I wanna hear them go IIINNN on that fat beast!

[ginger90]

not related to the above:

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 2/21/2018 at 6:28 AM, Brooklynista said:

I wish Farrah could unscramble her brain and unleash a mega clapback on MTV for the shitstorm they're going thru now with David and Janelle.

I can already hear the 13 made up words shes going to use...

[SPLAIN]

11 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I get that. What confuses me, though, is that her "celebrity sex tape" has been out for a while and she's been working at strip clubs and doing the adult industry stuff for years. So why NOW? Why has it suddenly become a problem?

This is the question I have been asking myself.

 

11 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Right. Why didn't they go after her for breach of contract if she has violated the terms with her adult businesses within the past couple of years? And if they took such issue with her adult business, why did they contract her back on the show when it came back as Teen Mom OG? Oh, that's right. Because the show was not pulling in the ratings that MTV wanted and needed. They needed Farrah to pull in ratings. 

That seems to be the moment when things were never the same between Farrah and MTV. It only got worse and went downhill when Heather the producer was fired. Farrah unleashed her anger at Larry and MTV after they brought her back and they tried to film a scene with her asking her opinion about what had transpired. I am sure others remember the scene better than me. 

Heather was fired because she had the goods on what was occurring at Amber's house and she apparently shared that information with Farrah. Amber put her fat foot down and threatened to quit:  http://www.etonline.com/news/205283_teen_mom_og_star_amber_portwood_announces_she_s_leaving_the_show_after_explosive_reunion_fight

Edited February 22, 2018 by SPLAIN

[TheRealT]

21 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Their “business relationship” with Farrah is one based on documenting her life, so I don’t see how filming her is phony. Manipulative?  Of course.  But that’s reality tv, and she signed up for it, and gets paid handsomely.  

Because it’s a job, she has to adhere to certain policies that were undoubtedly outlined in her contract.  She instead decided to ignore them or do whatever she wanted, which I guess is something you admire, but it got her fired.  Ok, those are the rules.  But she’s mad, so she’s suing.  I respect people who take on Goliath when others are too afraid and there are real gripes or issues of unfairness, but that’s hardly the case here.  Farrah’s “I’m a big star and I’ll do what I want” attitude finally caught up with her.  

The part I think is phony is the producers pretending to care about Farrah (and the others) and to give them advice based on that "genuine love and concern" rather than what's best for MTV/their jobs. I get why they do it and that's fine on a certain level, but I also understand why Farrah/others might not be ok with it (whether that's realistic/fair/smart in the grand scheme of things or not).

Personally, I don't believe that (IMO) mindlessly adhering to contractual obligations, or social norms, or cultural expectations, or whatever is inherently good/smart/sensible/etc., but I understand that some people do. I certainly don't see Farrah as some kind of champion of the downtrodden and I don't even "like" her necessarily, but I do admire her for fighting her little twisted, complex, multi-layered, somewhat misguided, poorly articulated battle against the corporate giant MTV, which has exploited her and her family for years. She's certainly not morally pure, but, to me, she has about 100X more "moral purity" than MTV (or their toady producers). 

[LotusFlower]

46 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

The part I think is phony is the producers pretending to care about Farrah (and the others) and to give them advice based on that "genuine love and concern" rather than what's best for MTV/their jobs. I get why they do it and that's fine on a certain level, but I also understand why Farrah/others might not be ok with it (whether that's realistic/fair/smart in the grand scheme of things or not).

Personally, I don't believe that (IMO) mindlessly adhering to contractual obligations, or social norms, or cultural expectations, or whatever is inherently good/smart/sensible/etc., but I understand that some people do. I certainly don't see Farrah as some kind of champion of the downtrodden and I don't even "like" her necessarily, but I do admire her for fighting her little twisted, complex, multi-layered, somewhat misguided, poorly articulated battle against the corporate giant MTV, which has exploited her and her family for years. She's certainly not morally pure, but, to me, she has about 100X more "moral purity" than MTV (or their toady producers). 

Expecting someone to adhere to contractual obligations is different than adhering to social norms or cultural expectations.  Legally, she signed a contract, and they fired her for allegedly violating it.  Which was their right (and it's why her lawsuit is ridiculous). Or they fired her because they didn't want to work with her anymore, which is also their right, however disappointing that might be to her fans. Her misguided or twisted or inarticulate personality has nothing to do with it.  

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Expecting someone to adhere to contractual obligations is different than adhering to social norms or cultural expectations.  Legally, she signed a contract, and they fired her for allegedly violating it.  Which was their right (and it's why her lawsuit is ridiculous). Or they fired her because they didn't want to work with her anymore, which is also their right, however disappointing that might be to her fans. Her misguided or twisted or inarticulate personality has nothing to do with it.  

I'd love to see their contracts. Jeremy alluded the other day about those MTV contracts and how the company could easily do something about getting rid of UBT and Jenelle and had the ability to do something long ago. It made me wonder how long MTV has kept those two dummies on the show in spite of whatever contract violations Jeremy alluded to in his IG rant. 

If MTV chose to fire her because they didn't want to work with her anymore, that is one thing. However, they have referenced the porn. Legally, she signed a contract with MTV who knowingly signed a person who occasionally has job commitments in the adult industry.  It looks shady. 

People can dislike Farrah and still be disappointed in how MTV is handling this situation. 

[LotusFlower]

45 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

If MTV chose to fire her because they didn't want to work with her anymore, that is one thing. However, they have referenced the porn. Legally, she signed a contract with MTV who knowingly signed a person who occasionally has job commitments in the adult industry.  It looks shady. 

If Farrah felt that was a valid claim (knowingly signing her to a contract when they knew she did porn), then it would have been in the complaint.

[malaluna]

On 2/20/2018 at 7:15 PM, druzy said:

I don't believe Simon on this one. For one, Farrah doesn't have any friends. And Kristen "didn't allow them to be around." Yeah ok, just doesn't jive with me. 

Didn't Farrah accuse Tyler of being gay, and she was most certainly being insulting imo.

 

 

 

[malaluna]

On 2/22/2018 at 1:21 AM, LotusFlower said:

I’m not positive, but I think she did a lot of appearances and hosting-type stuff at different adult entertainment gigs over the years.  But then this year she started doing the hard-core stuff again, and it was publicized on sites like TMZ.  So they probably said enough.  Here’s a link to one of the TMZ stories:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/31/farrah-abraham-bails-on-backdoor-camsoda-refunds/

I lol'd so hard @ this comment:
"i wonder if she can just pay her dad back in cash or does he have to submit for a formal refund from the company?"

[CofCinci]

I’m going to take a break from defending Farrah...

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/02/22/farrah-abraham-mtv-viacom-lawsuit-daughter-future/

Why talk about this in front of the kid? Really. 

Also, more dogs?  Nutro dog food threatened to pull sponsorship because of David Eason — but they really should for the way these TMs cycle through pets. 

[ginger90]

so........

[AmyFarrahFowler]

2 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I’m going to take a break from defending Farrah...

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/02/22/farrah-abraham-mtv-viacom-lawsuit-daughter-future/

Why talk about this in front of the kid? Really. 

Also, more dogs?  Nutro dog food threatened to pull sponsorship because of David Eason — but they really should for the way these TMs cycle through pets. 

I expected Sofeeyah to chime in with "and I don't like David".

[AirQuotes]

I'm certainly not a lawyer and I have very limited experience dealing with lawsuits and such.  But the two times I have had to deal with shit like that, none of it was how I expected it to be or thought it would be.  What I did learn was that a contract is more often than not weighted in the favor of the drafter. 

Even if Farrah wins this lawsuit and gets the full $5m, it seems she has tainted herself.  This could even damage her porn prospects.  Who would want to deal with "talent" that files lawsuits?

I'm not jumping on the producer Kristen "homophobic" witch hunt.  That's just too easy these days to throw out bullshit like that against "an enemy" and have people automatically jump on it without any proof except the accusation and people immediately start ripping the accused apart.  It is the modern day version of the Salem Witch Trials and personally, I've had enough of it.  It is a slippery slope that people really need to stop and consider because it is too easy to use against anyone and it leaves everyone vulnerable to such an unfair attack.

AND the cherry on top is that Farrah has made snide, sneery twitter posts about Tyler's alleged sexuality, but no one seems to mind.  That's really not cool of Farrah, at all.  Where is the outrage on that?

[GreatKazu]

8 hours ago, malaluna said:

I don't believe Simon on this one. For one, Farrah doesn't have any friends. And Kristen "didn't allow them to be around." Yeah ok, just doesn't jive with me. 

Didn't Farrah accuse Tyler of being gay, and she was most certainly being insulting imo.

 

 

 

 

Some of us have commented the same thing, and in the same way about Tyler needing to come out as gay. 

@AirQuotes

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Farrah has made snide, sneery twitter posts about Tyler's alleged sexuality, but no one seems to mind.  That's really not cool of Farrah, at all.  Where is the outrage on that?

Farrah giving the opinion in a snarky way about Tyler or anyone else is just her throwing in their faces what they have thrown in her face. How many times did they slut-shame her or call her vulgar names?  I'd be outraged if she did that for no reason whatsoever and her cast mates had not been brutally attacking her with their outrageous words. She may truly believe or know he is gay and is tired of his bullshit for covering it up. Plenty of people here have called him out as twinkle toes and other names sometimes to be snarky and other times because it is believed he is covering up the fact he is gay. 

FYI I have two gay children.  

Edited February 23, 2018 by GreatKazu