Catelynn (and Tyler)

[druzy]

Tyler talks to Butch about his decision to go back to rehab.

[Caracoa1]

Giving Carly up for adoption was the best decision these two ever made...but mind you...Tyler did it for Tyler's best interest...not Carly's.

[GreatKazu]

1 minute ago, Caracoa1 said:

Giving Carly up for adoption was the best decision these two ever made...but mind you...Tyler did it for Tyler's best interest...not Carly's.

Agree it was in Carly's best interest. As for the decision aspect of it, Catelynn didn't have a say-so in the matter. She was cornered and threatened. Hormones raging, depression, what Tyler did was a major dick move. He preyed on her weakness and love for him. 

[Tatum]

41 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Agree it was in Carly's best interest. As for the decision aspect of it, Catelynn didn't have a say-so in the matter. She was cornered and threatened. Hormones raging, depression, what Tyler did was a major dick move. He preyed on her weakness and love for him. 

True, but just for the sake of argument...what was Tyler's responsibility to Cate? He didn't want to be a father. He wasn't interested in staying with her if she was keeping Carly. It's not like he planned on staying with her regardless but just led her to believe he'd break up with her in order to get what he wanted.

[GreatKazu]

35 minutes ago, Tatum said:

True, but just for the sake of argument...what was Tyler's responsibility to Cate? He didn't want to be a father. He wasn't interested in staying with her if she was keeping Carly. It's not like he planned on staying with her regardless but just led her to believe he'd break up with her in order to get what he wanted.

At the very least to be honest with her. 

[Tatum]

But isn't that what he was doing, by telling her he had no interest in raising a child and wouldn't be around to raise it with her?

[Tatum]

On 1/27/2018 at 6:57 PM, CofCinci said:

It wasn’t a “they” decision. Tyler and his mother bullied Catelynn into adoption.  Wanting Carly to have a stable life was not the reason, though they try to shape the narrative to look as though they were putting her needs first. Kim didn’t want her precious son to have to pay child support. That’s it. Catelynn was powerless to Tyler and Kim because she wanted to keep him happy. 

I am not trying to start an argument here. I am honestly curious what people think Tyler's behavior should have been here. If he did not want to raise a child, sure, he should have worn a condom, but you can't unring that bell. Legally, Tyler's only obligation to Cate and Carly (had Cate kept her) would have been financial. But morally, what was his obligation? If he's not interested in raising a child, should he lead Cate to believe he is, only to pull a disappearing act down the road? Is the only way Tyler is a good guy here is to promise to stay with Cate regardless of what she decides?

[GreatKazu]

14 minutes ago, Tatum said:

But isn't that what he was doing, by telling her he had no interest in raising a child and wouldn't be around to raise it with her?

I think Tyler didn't want to be with Cate at all. Then and now. I think he should have just told her he will support her through the pregnancy, but will bow out when she delivers. 

[Tatum]

4 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I think Tyler didn't want to be with Cate at all. Then and now. I think he should have just told her he will support her through the pregnancy, but will bow out when she delivers. 

Well, if he didn't want to be with her then you're right, that's what he should have done.

 

I went back and read Simon's tweet. Super inappropriate I thought and kind of offensive to all birth parents who choose adoption. Simon should've clarified that he meant Tyler should stop taking credit for making this ultimate sacrifice when he didn't even want what he "sacrificed" anyways. (If that is indeed what he meant, and didn't mean all people who choose to give up children for adoption are pussies).

Edited February 6, 2018 by Tatum

[druzy]

Of course you will Tyler.

[TimeToCancelTM]

7 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Tyler thinks that by pretending he's all in his feelings we'll forget about NuCate?? 

Im sure NuCate is holding the phone recording this fuckery! 

[lezlers]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

I am not trying to start an argument here. I am honestly curious what people think Tyler's behavior should have been here. If he did not want to raise a child, sure, he should have worn a condom, but you can't unring that bell. Legally, Tyler's only obligation to Cate and Carly (had Cate kept her) would have been financial. But morally, what was his obligation? If he's not interested in raising a child, should he lead Cate to believe he is, only to pull a disappearing act down the road? Is the only way Tyler is a good guy here is to promise to stay with Cate regardless of what she decides?

I don't think Tyler can win, especially around here.   For what it's worth, I get what you're saying.   I think people tend to forget that Tyler was just a kid when Cate got pregnant with Carly too.  Not only that, he was a kid from a broken home that was a victim of abuse just like Cate.   Is he a douche now?  Yeah, kind of.  I can definitely see how he became that way with the show.  But yeah, I'm not going to judge him almost a decade later for how he behaved under those circumstances.  In MY opinion, it certainly doesn't justify someone calling him a pussy for Carly being put up for adoption.   Fuck Simon and the douche colored horse he rode in on for that one.

[SPLAIN]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

I went back and read Simon's tweet. Super inappropriate I thought and kind of offensive to all birth parents who choose adoption. Simon should've clarified that he meant Tyler should stop taking credit for making this ultimate sacrifice when he didn't even want what he "sacrificed" anyways. (If that is indeed what he meant, and didn't mean all people who choose to give up children for adoption are pussies).

The dig by Simon was meant to sting. No offense at all to what you just posted, but if Simon tweeted something like that, it wouldn't have likely hit a nerve.  It doesn't mean anyone is supporting Simon. I just don't believe he views adoption as a p*ssy move. That is all I am pointing out.

That is different than C&T when they have said hateful and hurtful comments such as the slut-shaming they have done towards Farrah. They truly believe their words and they do feel females are sluts for working in the porn industry.

[bethster2000]

46 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

They truly believe their words and they do feel females are sluts for working in the porn industry.

Right.  Yet Tyler has a hidden bottle of Lubriderm that he has nicknamed Farrah.  ;-)

[druzy]

[CaliforniaLove]

3 minutes ago, druzy said:

OMG, he's SO SENSITIVE!!! Why can't more men be like him?! He truly is the greatest. Siiiiiiigh. 

[CofCinci]

Misses her mother?  Roxanne gif, please. 

I’m just going to write Roxanne as my reply for all their bull shit shenanigans in all these famewhore’s threads.  

[druzy]

[CofCinci]

13 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

Right.  Yet Tyler has a hidden bottle of Lubriderm that he has nicknamed Farrah.  ;-)

Nah. Some letters rubbed off the lotion bottle from frequent use.   “Farrah’s sex tape boyfriend - James Deen” was originally printed on his bottle. 

4 minutes ago, druzy said:

Or sometimes it just fucks you in the ass. 

 

Oh Saint Roxanne. I pray to you because I can’t even right now. 

4 minutes ago, druzy said:

Or sometimes you just get the tip. 

Or/oar sometimes it just blows up in your face. 

Edited February 6, 2018 by CofCinci

[whydoiwatch]

22 minutes ago, druzy said:

PROFOUND.

[meredithalmighty]

Good for Cate for staying off social media or at least not posting this go around. I do feel like Tyler's recent tweets are an attempt for him to set the stage to leave Catelynn- he's experimenting with how his brand resonates with the TM audience without Catelynn. 

As far as Butch goes, it surprised me in the TeenMom 2 clip about how he shared that he lives with Tyler's sister. I wonder why his sister isn't featured more on the show. Come to think of it- none of the Teen Mom siblings are really on the show. 

[Booger666]

@druzy  You faithfully post the twitter and IG TM crap that I just don’t have the stomach or patience to find.  Thanks for keeping us informed even thought it can’t be easy!!!!

[TexasGal]

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

Oh Saint Roxanne. I pray to you because I can’t even right now. 

 

I nearly choked on my supper.  Great.Ness.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

Nah. Some letters rubbed off the lotion bottle from frequent use.   “Farrah’s sex tape boyfriend - James Deen” was originally printed on his bottle. 

Or sometimes it just fucks you in the ass. 

 

Oh Saint Roxanne. I pray to you because I can’t even right now. 

Or sometimes you just get the tip. 

Or/oar sometimes it just blows up in your face. 

Oar sometimes you just have to suck it up. 

Too much? 

[CofCinci]

8 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

Too much? 

Not at all.  Tyler is so EXTRA -- our commentary should match.

[druzy]

1 hour ago, Booger666 said:

@druzy  You faithfully post the twitter and IG TM crap that I just don’t have the stomach or patience to find.  Thanks for keeping us informed even thought it can’t be easy!!!!

Thanks @Booger666! The Teen Mom participants live their lives on social media, sometimes their twitter wars are better than the show!

@Mkay digs up the good stuff on social media- she knows where the bodies are buried! 

[Mkay]

31 minutes ago, druzy said:

Thanks @Booger666! The Teen Mom participants live their lives on social media, sometimes their twitter wars are better than the show!

@Mkay digs up the good stuff on social media- she knows where the bodies are buried! 

Bahahahaha 

[Bridget]

3 hours ago, CofCinci said:

 

 

Oh Saint Roxanne. I pray to you because I can’t even right now. 

 

 

Maybe she can be canonized to protect "Those who throw shoes"?

May the person wearing the St. Roxanne chain always hit their mark.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Bridget

[bethster2000]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

Oar sometimes you just have to suck it up. 

Too much? 

Oar sometimes you have to take it all the way to New Orleans to make it happy.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Bridget said:

Maybe she can be canonized to protect "Those who throw shoes"?

May the person wearing the St. Roxanne chain always hit their mark.

 

I am choking on my snack. Damnit! Why do I never learn about the hazards of eating and reading these boards? lol

Saint Roxanne de Diablo (her last name is de Jesus) 

The St. Roxanne medallion: 

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

I am choking on my snack. Damnit! Why do I never learn about the hazards of eating and reading these boards? lol

Saint Roxanne de Diablo (her last name is de Jesus) 

The St. Roxanne medallion: 

 

Oh my gosh - freakin love it!!!!!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

11 hours ago, Tatum said:

True, but just for the sake of argument...what was Tyler's responsibility to Cate? He didn't want to be a father. He wasn't interested in staying with her if she was keeping Carly. It's not like he planned on staying with her regardless but just led her to believe he'd break up with her in order to get what he wanted.

Wear a condom? Bring up abortion as an option? GET A JOB at the local fast food place and realize your life is over because you hit it raw, your gf is keeping it, and you're gonna owe child support (like many other young guys in similar situations)? Kiss your dreams of passion projects, writing, cars, and Batman outfits for Comic Con goodbye cause you have a kid/child support obligation? Man up and take care of what you created? 

I'm not yelling at you, @Tatum. Rather, I'm kind of yelling at Tyler. LOL. Tyler has no responsibility to Cate but he certainly had responsibility to his child had she not placed Carly for at the very minimum, financial obligations. I absolutely think placing Carly for adoption was the best idea. But I also think it had more to do with Tyler not wanting to be saddled with a baby and child support bill as a teen (which I get....but then wrap it up!). That's the thing these guys don't get. When they raw dog it with a chick, they are in a way giving her total control of their lives for the next 18+ years based on her decisions on whether or nor the woman chooses to continue the pregnancy, keep the baby, etc. It's her body and ultimately if she chooses to keep the baby and raise it, you better expect a child support bill. Suggesting abortion or adoption is one thing, but bullying a woman into either (or bullying a woman into parenting) is another. We saw what Tyler did. Once he ejaculated, whether or not he had responsibilities to Carly was all in Cate's hands.

5 hours ago, druzy said:

I know it's hard to explain why April isn't around all the time for the two days/wk you have Nova. Just bring her back to her real mom April's house.

[GreatKazu]

19 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Wear a condom? Bring up abortion as an option? GET A JOB at the local fast food place and realize your life is over because you hit it raw, your gf is keeping it, and you're gonna owe child support (like many other young guys in similar situations)? Kiss your dreams of passion projects, writing, cars, and Batman outfits for Comic Con goodbye cause you have a kid/child support obligation? Man up and take care of what you created? 

 

Hot damn. I wish I could "like" it more than once.  

Word to your entire post including that hilarious comment about Nova wanting her real mom, April. lol 

I know people's past sins are just that, past sins. What has Tyler shown in these past 8 years that is different from the person he was back when he treated Cate like utter shit? I recall how Jo was an asshole on occasion to Kwale, but he has shown growth, he has matured, and he handles situations differently particularly how he handles fatherhood and sharing custody. He has made strides to be a better father and a better person overall. Same with Gary. Tyler is exactly the same person. Tyler can't even man up now. He is still the same immature punk-ass bitch that he was when 16 & Pregnant aired. The only difference is he has money and a Crunch Wrap house.  I will hold over him the shit he did then because he is no different now. He can't be bothered to raise and tend to a child he created with his wife. Off to April's house she goes. 

Nova and Carly are similar in that they are being raised by other people while Tyler lays claim to being their father. He uses those kids for sympathy and pats on the back. 

[Brooklynista]

9 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

Oar sometimes you have to take it all the way to New Orleans to make it happy.

Preach!!

Catelynn would be well into her life without Tyler if OG hadnt been renewed. Tyler would still be living his truth in N.O..  Cate would be happy as a clam working as a shopping cart wrangler at Walmart

[Tatum]

11 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Wear a condom? Bring up abortion as an option? GET A JOB at the local fast food place and realize your life is over because you hit it raw, your gf is keeping it, and you're gonna owe child support (like many other young guys in similar situations)? Kiss your dreams of passion projects, writing, cars, and Batman outfits for Comic Con goodbye cause you have a kid/child support obligation? Man up and take care of what you created? 

I'm not yelling at you, @Tatum. Rather, I'm kind of yelling at Tyler. LOL. Tyler has no responsibility to Cate but he certainly had responsibility to his child had she not placed Carly for at the very minimum, financial obligations. I absolutely think placing Carly for adoption was the best idea. But I also think it had more to do with Tyler not wanting to be saddled with a baby and child support bill as a teen (which I get....but then wrap it up!). That's the thing these guys don't get. When they raw dog it with a chick, they are in a way giving her total control of their lives for the next 18+ years based on her decisions on whether or nor the woman chooses to continue the pregnancy, keep the baby, etc. It's her body and ultimately if she chooses to keep the baby and raise it, you better expect a child support bill. Suggesting abortion or adoption is one thing, but bullying a woman into either (or bullying a woman into parenting) is another. We saw what Tyler did. Once he ejaculated, whether or not he had responsibilities to Carly was all in Cate's hands.

I know it's hard to explain why April isn't around all the time for the two days/wk you have Nova. Just bring her back to her real mom April's house.

 

 

That really wasn't what I meant though. Maybe I wasn't clear. I totally agree that if Tyler didn't want a child, he should have taken precautions. I also totally agree that he is financially obligated to any bio child his ex partner is raising.

 

What I meant was- what was Tyler's moral obligation to Cate? He did not want to raise a child. I don't mean he simply didn't want to pay for a child, I mean, he didn't want to raise one. There are no legalities in place forcing someone to be an active parent. I think Tyler telling Cate, I have no interest in raising a child, and if you do this, you're doing it alone (besides whatever required check I have to send you monthly), is not bullying or badgering her or threatening her, in my opinion. It's providing her with all the information she needs to make a choice about what she wants to do.

 

Tyler's an asshole, for sure, but in this very specific circumstance, is the only way he's a good guy is to tell Cate, I don't want this baby, but if you want to keep it, I will stay with you and raise it, even if I don't want to? Again, I am not talking money here. I am talking Tyler pledging to raise the baby right alongside Cate.  Or can Tyler be honest and tell Cate he's not ready to be a father, and his romantic relationship with her will likely end if she ends up choosing to be a mother? If Cate decides giving up her baby is easier than losing Tyler, can we really say he bullied her into the adoption?

[Caracoa1]

The point is... Tyler did not not want to raise a child and he sure as hell did NOT want to pay child support...the only way he could guarantee that is to lead Catelynn on that they will be together "forever" if they give the baby up.. Cate is very insecure and chose Tyler...I believe to this day that Tyler would have dumped Cate once the adoption was legal..but then MTV came along with their 6 figure paycheck and Tyler went after the money.

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, Caracoa1 said:

The point is... Tyler did not not want to raise a child and he sure as hell did NOT want to pay child support...the only way he could guarantee that is to lead Catelynn on that they will be together "forever" if they give the baby up.. Cate is very insecure and chose Tyler...I believe to this day that Tyler would have dumped Cate once the adoption was legal..but then MTV came along with their 6 figure paycheck and Tyler went after the money.

Well if he was stringing her along and fully intended to dump her after the adoption went through (which I actually don't believe he was intending to do, but I guess we will never know) then yes, that was really wrong. But MY point was, telling someone, I don't want to be a father and I won't be a part of raising this child (as far as the actual work, not the finances) and the partner then agrees to adoption to avoid losing her boyfriend, that does not equal "bullying" her into it, or taking away her choice. He may have given her a very difficult choice to make, but she had a choice. If what Tyler did was bullying, then his only real noble course of action would have been to agree to actively parent a child under the intention of doing the right thing, not because he wanted to.

 

But that is quite a bit different than knowing you have every intention of breaking up with someone, but holding out until they've made a non revocable legal choice and all personal and financial responsibility has been absolved. If that was what Tyler was doing, I agree he did a horrible thing to Cate. That said, it still led to a better choice for Carly. Not his motivation, sure, but ultimately a better choice.

 

ETA: This should in means be taken as a Tyler apologist post. I agree there are many exhibits to prove his general douchery over the last 9 years (although I think Tyler at 16 was actually a better person than he is at 25, as were Cate, Farrah, and Maci. The access to money and the shelter from consequences of bad choices has caused a regression in maturity and character for most of the cast). I just have to disagree with the sentiment I read that Tyler browbeat Cate into adoption. I certainly make no arguments of his motives at the time or a defense of any of the shitty things he's done since then.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Tatum

[MissMel]

Placing Carly WAS the best for Carly, no doubt.  I don't even think Tyler was thinking about long-term monetary support.  He wasn't thinking long-term anything.  He just wanted the "problem" to go away.  His mother, too.  And April.  Cate wasn't left with any choice.  Nobody considered her during any of this.

Tyler (and his mother) should have been hell-bent on the use of condoms.  Cate, as well.

16 & pregnant showed us what an arrogant asshole Tyler (and his mother) was.  April too.  Cate had no home or support to care for a baby.  An abortion might have been better but she seemed to know she couldn't handle that.  The parking lot hand off was pitiful- and disgusting with Tyler keeping the blanket like he cared about that child.  No, he did that for teevee time and pay.  All about him-me, me, me.

Tyler gave Cate the only option of a lifetime uncertainty.  She, and Carly, were never treated like human beings from anyone but Brandon and Theresa.  This all my strong opinion in this case.  It was a complete fail from jump.  Cate is left with the consequences and nobody else.  Tyler can miss me with his "I gave them the opportunity to be parents" bullshit.  HE didn't give anyone, anything.  He relieved himself of responsibility and played it all up for cameras. (and now money for crunch wraps)  He's a dick and hopefully Cate can grow out of him and deal with her life, honestly and true to herself.  

[Tatum]

14 minutes ago, MissMel said:

Placing Carly WAS the best for Carly, no doubt.  I don't even think Tyler was thinking about long-term monetary support.  He wasn't thinking long-term anything.  He just wanted the "problem" to go away.  His mother, too.  And April.  Cate wasn't left with any choice.  Nobody considered her during any of this.

Tyler (and his mother) should have been hell-bent on the use of condoms.  Cate, as well.

16 & pregnant showed us what an arrogant asshole Tyler (and his mother) was.  April too.  Cate had no home or support to care for a baby.  An abortion might have been better but she seemed to know she couldn't handle that.  The parking lot hand off was pitiful- and disgusting with Tyler keeping the blanket like he cared about that child.  No, he did that for teevee time and pay.  All about him-me, me, me.

Tyler gave Cate the only option of a lifetime uncertainty.  She, and Carly, were never treated like human beings from anyone but Brandon and Theresa.  This all my strong opinion in this case.  It was a complete fail from jump.  Cate is left with the consequences and nobody else.  Tyler can miss me with his "I gave them the opportunity to be parents" bullshit.  HE didn't give anyone, anything.  He relieved himself of responsibility and played it all up for cameras. (and now money for crunch wraps)  He's a dick and hopefully Cate can grow out of him and deal with her life, honestly and true to herself.  

April actually pressured Cate to keep the baby. In fact, she stomped around the house any time the camera was on Cate.

When the show started, Cate and Tyler were on the same page about adoption. Cate did have some second thoughts, which Tyler did get a bit snitty about, but I don't think Cate was ever truly considering keeping Carly. She broke down in Dawn's office saying she didn't always know if she'd  have a home for herself, let alone a place appropriate for a baby. It was a heartbreaking situation for Cate in which there was no good answer that wouldn't have caused her tremendous pain and heartache. From the minute Cate found out she was pregnant, there was no good outcome for everyone.

 

I disagree though that Tyler's emotions were solely for the camera. Dude was bawling during the entire second half of the episode. Just because Tyler is a dick doesn't mean he couldn't have felt any pain over the situation.

[MissMel]

Fair enough.  I just don't think anyone thought of Cate, including herself.  It was a sad situation all around.

[Tatum]

6 minutes ago, MissMel said:

Fair enough.  I just don't think anyone thought of Cate, including herself.  It was a sad situation all around.

No, no one was thinking about Cate. Even April (who pressured Cate to keep the baby, far more and far harder than Tyler pressured her to give her up), did not care about what was best for Cate or offer her any support.

 

But in a situation where one bio parent wants to keep the baby and one bio parent doesn't, I mean, that's just the way it goes. It's a stalemate. All the more reason these kids need to be more careful about contraception.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Tatum

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, MissMel said:

Placing Carly WAS the best for Carly, no doubt.  I don't even think Tyler was thinking about long-term monetary support.  He wasn't thinking long-term anything.  He just wanted the "problem" to go away.  His mother, too.  And April.  Cate wasn't left with any choice.  Nobody considered her during any of this.

Tyler (and his mother) should have been hell-bent on the use of condoms.  Cate, as well.

16 & pregnant showed us what an arrogant asshole Tyler (and his mother) was.  April too.  Cate had no home or support to care for a baby.  An abortion might have been better but she seemed to know she couldn't handle that.  The parking lot hand off was pitiful- and disgusting with Tyler keeping the blanket like he cared about that child.  No, he did that for teevee time and pay.  All about him-me, me, me.

Tyler gave Cate the only option of a lifetime uncertainty.  She, and Carly, were never treated like human beings from anyone but Brandon and Theresa.  This all my strong opinion in this case.  It was a complete fail from jump.  Cate is left with the consequences and nobody else.  Tyler can miss me with his "I gave them the opportunity to be parents" bullshit.  HE didn't give anyone, anything.  He relieved himself of responsibility and played it all up for cameras. (and now money for crunch wraps)  He's a dick and hopefully Cate can grow out of him and deal with her life, honestly and true to herself.  

Tell that to Jenelle and Farrah who both had their babies just to spite everyone around them.   I'm with @Tatum.  Tyler gave Cate a choice.  She might not have liked the choice, but he gave her one.  He was honest with her.  I'm uncomfortable with attributing intent to him (oh, he would've broken up with her if the MTV cameras weren't around!") when we really don't know what he would've done had Cate kept Carly or had Teen Mom not happened.  But his actions when she was pregnant with Carly didn't amount to bullying (in my opinion.)  Now, April and Butch constantly giving her shit and yelling at her about it?  THAT was bullying.  And Cate was obviously strong enough not to let it deter her.

[MissMel]

Fair enough.  Seeing Tyler then and now just doesn't leave me with that feeling.  I do see your point, though.  Nobody knows what would've/couldn't happen.  

[druzy]

[GreatKazu]

Are you serious? He is inserting his wedding photo with the package along with a note? lol 

[lezlers]

6 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Are you serious? He is inserting his wedding photo with the package along with a note? lol 

They talked about that a few episodes ago.   They had those cards made up specifically to go into order boxes.

[CofCinci]

2 hours ago, lezlers said:

Tell that to Jenelle and Farrah who both had their babies just to spite everyone around them.   I'm with @Tatum.  Tyler gave Cate a choice.  She might not have liked the choice, but he gave her one.  He was honest with her.  I'm uncomfortable with attributing intent to him (oh, he would've broken up with her if the MTV cameras weren't around!") when we really don't know what he would've done had Cate kept Carly or had Teen Mom not happened.  But his actions when she was pregnant with Carly didn't amount to bullying (in my opinion.)  Now, April and Butch constantly giving her shit and yelling at her about it?  THAT was bullying.  And Cate was obviously strong enough not to let it deter her.

Farrah wanted an abortion. Her mother was against it. Then, Farrah had to fight for birth control. 

[FairyDusted]

On 2/5/2018 at 2:37 PM, GreatKazu said:

This. 

Save this ya'll on your computer. lol :-) 

Oh I totally saved this ! Thank you !!!!! Comes in handy on other shows as well.

[Tatum]

36 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Farrah wanted an abortion. Her mother was against it. Then, Farrah had to fight for birth control. 

True, but Deb did lobby hard for an adoption. Farrah was a little better than Jenelle but still expected her parents to help out a ton with Sophia so Farrah could enjoy her youth. 

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Oh I totally saved this ! Thank you !!!!! Comes in handy on other shows as well.

I actually said it to my spouse this morning! He was running late to an appointment and he was asking me to do a hundred things at once while I was busy working on some documents that needed my attention regarding our properties. I wanted to pull my hair out. lol