S37: David vs. Goliath: Previews & Speculation without Spoilers

[jay741982]

4 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

After seeing the preview, I'm wondering if the next time on Survivor promo is not a misdirect. Maybe Gabby does make a move and blindsides Christian somehow.

She does and shes next on the list to go. She would be stupid too. Christian is a big reason shes made it this far and no one else really has her back.

[LanceM]

I would say that 95% of the time the promos are misdirection so no I don't think Christian is getting voted out next episode.  I do think the other Davids are starting to think of plans to get him out soon though and that is what we are probably seeing.  

[jay741982]

On 12/2/2018 at 4:14 AM, KimberStormer said:

I mean, isn't that exactly why....she should make a move?  A move you might even call...big?  Like voting out Christian?

So she can get booted next and not having any one protect the person who stabbed her biggest ally and a big reason shes still there? She goes quickly after Christian if shes dumb enough to orchestrate his ouster.

[LadyChatts]

I know with as much thought as I'm putting into that one second of preview, the whole 'get Christian out' moment is going to be much ado about nothing.  But maybe Gabby isn't stupid to do it after all.  While it would definitely expose her and get rid of her shield and biggest champion, maybe, in a weird way, it would also take the focus off of her.  Gabby gets rid of Christian, loses a crucial alliance member, but can then be a free agent, so to speak.  The girl who voted off her biggest ally that kept her in the game this whole time, the emotional wreck, the non challenge threat.  It probably wouldn't work with the likes of Nick or Davie, but maybe the others.   

[KimberStormer]

5 hours ago, jay741982 said:

So she can get booted next and not having any one protect the person who stabbed her biggest ally and a big reason shes still there? She goes quickly after Christian if shes dumb enough to orchestrate his ouster.

I mean I don't say that she needs to right away...but she does need to eventually.  You generally can't go into FTC percieved as a coattail-rider, and you certainly can't go with the universally beloved season mascot who everyone thinks is "strategic" because he's smart IRL. 

[jay741982]

2 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

I mean I don't say that she needs to right away...but she does need to eventually.  You generally can't go into FTC percieved as a coattail-rider, and you certainly can't go with the universally beloved season mascot who everyone thinks is "strategic" because he's smart IRL. 

Agreed and I forgot to Clarify that yes Christian going would be ultimately good for Gabbys game but not right away and probably not best if she spearheads it. Truth is these fools need to wake up and see Nick as a huge target. Gabby would probably be suited if Christian went NOT by her spearheading it..

[Lamb18]

On 11/28/2018 at 10:03 PM, TVFan1 said:

Next week better be a huge misdirect. Why would Gabby turn on her #1 ally throughout the whole game? I can understand her wanting to make a big move, but come on. I hope Christian finds out what's going on and plays his idol to save himself. Who knows, maybe Gabby gets blindsided instead.

My take (or wishful thinking):  others come up to Gabby with a plan to vote out Christian and she pretends to go along with it enthusiastically (we see this part in the preview), then she goes and tells Christian so he can use his idol. Then they conspire to vote out their biggest threat.

[jay741982]

1 hour ago, Lamb18 said:

My take (or wishful thinking):  others come up to Gabby with a plan to vote out Christian and she pretends to go along with it enthusiastically (we see this part in the preview), then she goes and tells Christian so he can use his idol. Then they conspire to vote out their biggest threat.

Which should be Nick but these fools would vote out Davie. Just won the last IC and like Alec will be looked at as big IC threat 

[ProfCrash]

I think Nick and Christian have played the strongest social games. Nick has formed solid bonds with Christian and I don’t think that Davie can say that. I think Nick’s problem, if he makes it to the final tribal, is that he was not seen as a target while Christian has been. Nick is going to have to explain how his moves were his moves and not joint moves. Nick is more likely to seen as someone who stabbed people in the back while Christian is would be seen as a survivor. Christian was a target since the merge and had to vote out people who saw him as a target. Nick will be someone who was not a target but voted out allies. 

Christian is more likely to vote for Davie since he probably sees Davie and Nick as a team and Christian is more connected to Nick then Davie. 

[peachmangosteen]

6 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

I think Nick and Christian have played the strongest social games. Nick has formed solid bonds with Christian and I don’t think that Davie can say that. I think Nick’s problem, if he makes it to the final tribal, is that he was not seen as a target while Christian has been. Nick is going to have to explain how his moves were his moves and not joint moves. Nick is more likely to seen as someone who stabbed people in the back while Christian is would be seen as a survivor. Christian was a target since the merge and had to vote out people who saw him as a target. Nick will be someone who was not a target but voted out allies. 

This is probably why Nick will for sure at least try to get Christian out pre-finals. He should actually be happy Nick turned against him because now he can have an easy excuse to do what he likely always wanted to do and boot Christian!

[jay741982]

10 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

This is probably why Nick will for sure at least try to get Christian out pre-finals. He should actually be happy Nick turned against him because now he can have an easy excuse to do what he likely always wanted to do and boot Christian!

Well in the preview he acts all indignant like he wasn't already saying Christian wasn't in his ideal F4

[Jextella]

oops.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Jextella

[kikaha]

6 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

 Nick has formed solid bonds with Christian and I don’t think that Davie can say that.

 

Davie played his idol to save Christian.  That doesn't form a solid bond? 

[Mark2]

8 hours ago, Lamb18 said:

My take (or wishful thinking):  others come up to Gabby with a plan to vote out Christian and she pretends to go along with it enthusiastically (we see this part in the preview), then she goes and tells Christian so he can use his idol. Then they conspire to vote out their biggest threat.

I don't recall the exact wording, but I thought another snippet implied that Gabby was spearheading the effort.  Or tried to take credit.  Or something.  ...Those editors :D

Still think it's a red herring.

7 hours ago, jay741982 said:

Which should be Nick but these fools would vote out Davie. Just won the last IC and like Alec will be looked at as big IC threat 

The audience seems to know more about Nick's role than most of the players.  On their side, Davie seems to be in the worst position.  Physically, he's a threat, but more importantly he doesn't have the same strong cross-tribal bonds like, say Alison/Gabby and Nick/Mike/[Angelina?].  So fewer or no voices to stick up for Davie.  Mike's last vote was purely for Mike, so he and Nick are fine.  Especially with Christian pissing off Nick.

On the other side, Kara is in a bit weaker position than Alison...Gabby would be more in the loop this week, not gunning for Carl obviously, and have something to say about an Alison vote by the Davids.  Angelina & Mike are safer for the reasons above IMO.

I'm just waiting for a David to blatantly say that they don't trust the Goliaths enough to vote out a David this week, so the policy going forward is to agree on a Goliath this time, then tie it up next time, and repeat.  Or they'll force rocks.  Godfather style.

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Davie played his idol to save Christian.  That doesn't form a solid bond? 

Carl helped all the original Davids, and some turned on him.  A lot can change in a couple of days.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Mark2

[ProfCrash]

14 minutes ago, kikaha said:

Davie played his idol to save Christian.  That doesn't form a solid bond? 

Davie made a game move to save the numbers for the Davids, making Davie safer. I don’t think that forms a bond. I think it was a great play that helped Davie stay in the game longer and potentially win votes at the final tribal. We have not seen any indication that Davie is allied with Christian or that they were working together other then the John and Dan vote. The Alec vote was dictated to Christian and Gabby and then Christian voted out Carl.

We have seen Nick and Christian talk and form an alliance.

1 minute ago, Mark2 said:

The audience seems to know more about Nick's role than most of the players.  On the one side, Davie seems to be in the worst position.  Physically, he's a threat, but more importantly he doesn't have the same strong cross-tribal bonds like, say Alison/Gabby and Nick/Mike/[Angelina?].  So fewer or no voices to stick up for Davie.  Mike's last vote was purely for Mike, so he and Nick are fine.  Especially with Christian pissing Nick off.

I think that is the key. We see what Nick is saying and doing but I am not sure that it is obvious to the other people playing the game. Every big moe Nick has been made has been a group move. It would be hard to see him as the mastermind. Think Dom and Wendell last season. 

[Mark2]

1 hour ago, ProfCrash said:

Davie made a game move to save the numbers for the Davids, making Davie safer. I don’t think that forms a bond. I think it was a great play that helped Davie stay in the game longer and potentially win votes at the final tribal. We have not seen any indication that Davie is allied with Christian or that they were working together other then the John and Dan vote. The Alec vote was dictated to Christian and Gabby and then Christian voted out Carl.

We have seen Nick and Christian talk and form an alliance.

I think that is the key. We see what Nick is saying and doing but I am not sure that it is obvious to the other people playing the game. Every big moe Nick has been made has been a group move. It would be hard to see him as the mastermind. Think Dom and Wendell last season. 

Nick's reaction to the Carl vote and getting over it or not is going to be interesting.  My bold prediction that may change over the course of the episode is:

The Gabby against Christian thing is a ploy.  She won't vote for Christian, and will tell him to use his idol.  3-4 Davids vote for Kara.  That possible rogue vote is either a vote split (one going to Alison), or Nick voting for Christian (depending on whether he thinks Christian has been successfully lulled into a false sense of security, and how pissed Nick is by the last vote).  I think he'll get over it and tow the David line out of self preservation.

The question is also whether or not Gabby successfully convinces (leads?) the Goliaths to supposedly pick off Christian.  There's a chance they don't buy it and lack of 100% David cooperation (or vote split) means that Davie is out.

I'm open to criticism.  Just a couple of hours left till this proves to be horribly wrong or eerily accurate.

Forgot to add that Nick would be perfectly happy if he knew about the ruse, because it burns Christian's idol.  He may even be the mastermind.

Edited December 6, 2018 by Mark2

[LadyChatts]

So next week's preview didn't give us much to go on.  Wonder if it'll be a predictable boot (Christian, Alison, or Angelina, since those three had their names come up more than anyone else), or a true blindside.  

[truthaboutluv]

Yeah with how vague it was and the way everyone came for Christian this episode and he won't have an idol to protect him, I'm thinking he's finally done next week. And the editors will show a bunch of random conversations to make the situation seem tense when it's not at all. Unless of course Christian wins immunity and that's why there are all these names flying around because he was the intended target and now they can't vote for him.

[TVFan1]

With all of the names being thrown around except Christian (that we know of)  next week, my guess is maybe Christian wins immunity if he doesn't find his idol reburied and the target shifts to another player. Since Mike warns Nick about him being the target, I can definitely see him using his idol to save himself. If he does, then either Christian, Davie, Alison, or Kara gets the boot instead. That's my guess for right now.

[ProfCrash]

Christian is gone as soon as he loses immunity, unless he finds another idol. Then he had better damn well make sure that he wins the final four immunity or that he is very good at making fire. No one wants to sit next to Christian.

[truthaboutluv]

12 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

Christian is gone as soon as he loses immunity, unless he finds another idol. Then he had better damn well make sure that he wins the final four immunity or that he is very good at making fire. No one wants to sit next to Christian.

I think he's well aware of this. I took his "I'll see you soon" to Gabby as confirmation that he figures he'll be following right behind her to Ponderosa. By the way, he hid it well enough and seemed to take it in stride, as in that's just the game but I do think Christian was hurt by Gabby turning on him. 

[ProfCrash]

40 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

I think he's well aware of this. I took his "I'll see you soon" to Gabby as confirmation that he figures he'll be following right behind her to Ponderosa. By the way, he hid it well enough and seemed to take it in stride, as in that's just the game but I do think Christian was hurt by Gabby turning on him. 

He was hurt, you could see it in his body language. And it makes sense that he would be hurt. Just like Nick was hurt by the Carl vote. We see it as a game but it is also what they are living 24/7 for up to 39 days. The Davie's are the exception to the rule. There are not too many people who take the game as a game and see strategic moves as strategic moves. People talk the talk but they struggle to walk to walk. I think Kara's comment at the family visit was 100% on point, you want to believe that these people are your friends but you are not sure because of the game. People bond with each other during a shared, intense experience that few others will ever have. Those bonds are fast and deep and mean something. I think we tend to forget that as posters and viewers because we are watching it as a game.

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, ProfCrash said:

Just like Nick was hurt by the Carl vote. 

Nick seemed more angry than hurt to me. Although maybe his hurt just presented itself as anger. Still, to me it came off like he was pissed because Christian's move hurt his game, not that he was upset Christian personally betrayed him because they're such good friends or something.

I didn't even really notice Christian's reaction to Gabby's 'betrayal.' Maybe I'll go back and watch. Sometimes I tune Christian out because there's just so much of him. I like him a lot, but he's become so overexposed to me that I'm just like tired of him.

I'm torn because I kinda hope Christian goes next week but I'd also like to see him win the IC because that could be interesting seeing who the target becomes.

Edited December 6, 2018 by peachmangosteen

[Jextella]

10 minutes ago, Special K said:

Yes, I got the feeling that it looked at first like they both found the clue together, and it was kind of a co-owned idol, but somehow I think Nick has taken possession of it.

With regards to the current idol in play that Nick has, Nick and Davie looked for it together at first.  Nick found a clue when they were searching.  The clue explained he had to leave camp to find the idol in the middle of the night.  Davie stood guard while Nick did this and eventually found the idol.  Technically the idol is Nick's.  He found both the clue and the idol.  But, they worked together in the process.

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

Nick seemed more angry than hurt to me. Although maybe his hurt just presented itself as anger. Still, to me it came off like he was pissed because Christian's move hurt his game, not that he was upset Christian personally betrayed him because they're such good friends or something.

I didn't even really notice Christian's reaction to Gabby's 'betrayal.' Maybe I'll go back and watch. Sometimes I tune Christian out because there's just so much of him. I like him a lot, but he's become so overexposed to me that I'm just like tired of him.

I'm torn because I kinda hope Christian goes next week but I'd also like to see him win the IC because that could be interesting seeing who the target becomes.

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I think Nick was both angry and hurt.

[jay741982]

4 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

Christian is gone as soon as he loses immunity, unless he finds another idol. Then he had better damn well make sure that he wins the final four immunity or that he is very good at making fire. No one wants to sit next to Christian.

And no one should sit next to Nick either 

[Mark2]

21 hours ago, Mark2 said:

The Gabby against Christian thing is a ploy.  She won't vote for Christian, and will tell him to use his idol.  3-4 Davids vote for Kara. 

Well that got shot to hell lol

19 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

So next week's preview didn't give us much to go on.  Wonder if it'll be a predictable boot (Christian, Alison, or Angelina, since those three had their names come up more than anyone else), or a true blindside.  

It was super concerning that the only names former Goliaths threw out were all former Davids.  And Nick added Davie to the mix :-O

18 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Yeah with how vague it was and the way everyone came for Christian this episode and he won't have an idol to protect him, I'm thinking he's finally done next week. And the editors will show a bunch of random conversations to make the situation seem tense when it's not at all. Unless of course Christian wins immunity and that's why there are all these names flying around because he was the intended target and now they can't vote for him.

Mike seems to be key next week.  By the edit, at least three people tell him who they want out.

While there are plenty of reasons for him to tell Nick that he's the target (even if he's not), my gut reaction is that he wouldn't reveal that if everyone was fully unified behind a Christian vote.

17 hours ago, TVFan1 said:

With all of the names being thrown around except Christian (that we know of)  next week, my guess is maybe Christian wins immunity if he doesn't find his idol reburied and the target shifts to another player. Since Mike warns Nick about him being the target, I can definitely see him using his idol to save himself. If he does, then either Christian, Davie, Alison, or Kara gets the boot instead. That's my guess for right now.

Mike mentioned Christian to Kara, which is also concerning, considering the above.

8 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

Christian is gone as soon as he loses immunity, unless he finds another idol. Then he had better damn well make sure that he wins the final four immunity or that he is very good at making fire. No one wants to sit next to Christian.

He's super obvious...so I wouldn't put it past Mike and/or Nick wanting to pick off a different target first.  That could pay off or cost them big time either way.

8 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

...I took his "I'll see you soon" to Gabby as confirmation that he figures he'll be following right behind her to Ponderosa...I do think Christian was hurt by Gabby turning on him. 

It took some thought to get there, but I agree on both.  Sadly, Christian has no close allies left.

7 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

...I think Kara's comment at the family visit was 100% on point, you want to believe that these people are your friends but you are not sure because [trust is lacking]...

It was kind of surprising that she was so blunt.

[Nashville]

22 hours ago, Mark2 said:

It was kind of surprising that [Kara] was so blunt.

Well, I doubt Kara’s remarks constituted news to anybody....  :>

[CheetaraThunder]

With the way Jeff teased next week in his EW interview , with the whole: The game is left wide open after the next vote; I think a big player like Nick could be blindsided

[truthaboutluv]

And it's again making me wonder if Christian won immunity. Because I'd just be surprised if once again they were all on board the "vote for Christian" train, everyone just suddenly decides that's not the smart move anymore. But I can definitely see major scrambling if they were all set on Christian again and he wins immunity, foiling the plan.

Edited December 8, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

But I can definitely see major scrambling if they were all set on Christian again and he wins immunity, foiling the plan.

Yea, it seems like the only way there would be so much talk of alternate targets like we saw in the promo would be if Christian won immunity. And like I said, even though I don't care if Christian is booted, I'm kinda interested to see what would happen if he did win immunity. Although I hate the idea of Nick going because his game play is my fave this season. 

[marys1000]

4 hours ago, CheetaraThunder said:

With the way Jeff teased next week in his EW interview , with the whole: The game is left wide open after the next vote; I think a big player like Nick could be blindsided

Yea, who has the most alliances, is the biggest shield, the biggest threat (everyone seems to think its Christian)

[LadyChatts]

Maybe Christian Mike Holloway's his way to the end-he was in a decent position, then suddenly found himself on the outs because of one vote, now he needs immunity wins and/or HII to make it to the final 3.

That quote from Jeff leads me to think it'll be Christian (big character with a big target on his back finally getting voted off, thus making no one else feel safe after the fact).  Or something more interesting happens, like Christian doesn't have immunity or an idol, but someone else gets blindsided thinking the obvious vote if for Christian.

[marys1000]

I dont think Christian would win if he made it to the end anyway.  He has made Mike mad, Carl mad.  Davie might not be mad but he might feel like he did a lot more for Christian than the other way around.  Elizabeth?  up for grabs.  I just don't see the jury votes.  

[LadyChatts]

Here's a preview for this week.

ETA: I'm intrigued with Kara saying 'can't let everybody in on it.'  As usual, it could be nothing, but my first thought was did she find an idol-or did someone find one and confide in her.  More than likely though she's talking about the vote, so maybe she's in the 'pretend it's Christian but we're blindsiding someone else' camp.

Edited December 11, 2018 by LadyChatts

[Coco88]

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/photos?page=1&show=survivor

Here are preview photos for the next episode.  I’m curious about the photo of Davie alone on the beach.  Also it looks like the immunity challenge is keeping balls on a disc.  

[Lamb18]

I wouldn't be surprised if Christian won immunity. For several weeks now I've thought that he is athletic, but not in a gym, weight-lifting way. More like a person who uses his bike for transportation or someone who runs marathons - those guys are often wiry like Christian. Maybe his geek persona is a cover up for being athletic.

[Bryce Lynch]

On 12/10/2018 at 9:05 PM, Coco88 said:

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/photos?page=1&show=survivor

Here are preview photos for the next episode.  I’m curious about the photo of Davie alone on the beach.  Also it looks like the immunity challenge is keeping balls on a disc.  

That won't be nearly as fun or cringey with all of Jeff's Alpha Male studs voted out.   

[Mark2]

On 12/7/2018 at 2:46 PM, Nashville said:

Well, I doubt Kara’s remarks constituted news to anybody....  :>

True.  At first, it read as though she was telling everybody flat out that she didn't trust them.  Upon re-watching, it was phrased a little more subtly.

On 12/8/2018 at 8:17 AM, peachmangosteen said:

Yea, it seems like the only way there would be so much talk of alternate targets like we saw in the promo would be if Christian won immunity. And like I said, even though I don't care if Christian is booted, I'm kinda interested to see what would happen if he did win immunity. Although I hate the idea of Nick going because his game play is my fave this season. 

Christian hasn't proven to have the greatest balance, but he could still pull it out since material out there shows him with two balls (har, har), making it at least to stage two.

With Mike revealing to Nick that his name is out there, he'll probably play his HII if he doesn't win immunity.  Mike is shrewd enough that he may be naming names just to flush idols he doesn't even know about.

 

On 12/8/2018 at 6:47 AM, truthaboutluv said:

And it's again making me wonder if Christian won immunity. Because I'd just be surprised if once again they were all on board the "vote for Christian" train, everyone just suddenly decides that's not the smart move anymore. But I can definitely see major scrambling if they were all set on Christian again and he wins immunity, foiling the plan.

 

It's interesting that Mike is the only person to mention Christian in the preview, while the majority of tentative voting ideas are told to him (with 2 of 3 being Nick).  Why Nick, and why now?  Why not Kara when she's doing pretty good at ICs?

Between Christian, Nick and Kara (has she even gotten one vote?), it's pretty hard to predict IC and eventual winner...

Edit: Hmmm...I just noticed that of all the talk about who to vote out, it's all former Goliaths who are the recipients of the information. 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Mark2

[LadyChatts]

So next week's preview, we see Alison in tears thinking she's the next to go (have all the votes at the previous TC not been enough of a clue for her?) and all we see if Angelina saying "yep" with a smirk.  Clever editing or is she going to be that unsympathetic?  Maybe she'll think it's jury management if she's upfront with Alison about her being voted off.  Might not bode well for her when the next clip had Mike and Kara saying she was a psychopath.

And Nick is good and steamed.  I honestly hope the Goliaths don't band together and pick off Davie and Nick.  And if that does happen, please let Kara win.  Mike and Angelina both think they are better at this game than they are, and Alison is just useless.  I had such high hopes for her. 

[Mark2]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

So next week's preview, we see Alison in tears thinking she's the next to go (have all the votes at the previous TC not been enough of a clue for her?) and all we see if Angelina saying "yep" with a smirk.  Clever editing or is she going to be that unsympathetic?  Maybe she'll think it's jury management if she's upfront with Alison about her being voted off.  Might not bode well for her when the next clip had Mike and Kara saying she was a psychopath.

And Nick is good and steamed.  I honestly hope the Goliaths don't band together and pick off Davie and Nick.  And if that does happen, please let Kara win.  Mike and Angelina both think they are better at this game than they are, and Alison is just useless.  I had such high hopes for her. 

Unless immunity or an idol get in the way, I'm betting F3 is Alison, Mike and Angelina.  I suspect all three know they don't have a prayer against the others.  They'll start by wiping out Nick, then Kara and Davie.

7-0-3

[TVFan1]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

So next week's preview, we see Alison in tears thinking she's the next to go (have all the votes at the previous TC not been enough of a clue for her?) and all we see if Angelina saying "yep" with a smirk.  Clever editing or is she going to be that unsympathetic?  Maybe she'll think it's jury management if she's upfront with Alison about her being voted off.  Might not bode well for her when the next clip had Mike and Kara saying she was a psychopath.

And Nick is good and steamed.  I honestly hope the Goliaths don't band together and pick off Davie and Nick.  And if that does happen, please let Kara win.  Mike and Angelina both think they are better at this game than they are, and Alison is just useless.  I had such high hopes for her. 

I wonder if Angelina was really being that unsympathetic when telling Alison who was crying that she was going home with Angelina saying "Yep" with a smile. That is cold if that is how it goes down.

[Lamima]

12 hours ago, Mark2 said:

Unless immunity or an idol get in the way, I'm betting F3 is Alison, Mike and Angelina.  I suspect all three know they don't have a prayer against the others.  They'll start by wiping out Nick, then Kara and Davie.

7-0-3

Allison, Mike and Angelina would be my WORST F3 of the bunch. DO NOT want ANY of those 3 to win. A Kara win would not be my 1st choice but I'd be okay with it. It would be much like the Michele win a few seasons back...a laid low and outlast player (not an outwit or outplay). But Davie is my #1 and Nick my #2.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Lamima

[Coco88]

I don’t get why Allison is so upset unless Davie wins immunity.  Christian and Davie were the only ones who voted for her.  Maybe Kara is pissed at her for spilling the beans to Mike about the plan to oust Nick.

[Mark2]

4 hours ago, Coco88 said:

I don’t get why Allison is so upset unless Davie wins immunity.  Christian and Davie were the only ones who voted for her.  Maybe Kara is pissed at her for spilling the beans to Mike about the plan to oust Nick.

Nick and Angelina have in the past also.  Alison may have broken down when her name was floated before and only now are they showing it.  My guess is Alison is the person who Nick and Davie are trying to convince the others to vote out.

I highly doubt Mike would call Alison a psychopath, and since Angelina is the only other woman left (Mike said "she" while talking to Kara), I wonder what makes Mike say that if it's not referring to the exchange between Angelina and Alison.

Edited December 15, 2018 by Mark2

[Mark2]

15 minutes ago, green said:

Sorry but I totally disagree about Alison...You don't edit a winner with just "hearsay" clips.  It would be the worst editing in editing history if she came out of nowhere for us viewers and won. 

...If she really is the winner this whole surviving as a target wouldn't just be a butt of a running joke but more a heroic edit of outwitting, outplaying and outlasting...Kara also isn't edited into being there playing the game much either.  I can't see either of those two winning.

Just now, Mark2 said:

Hmmm...food for thought.  I can't say I've watched Survivor enough to pick a winner based on editing, but I couldn't blame the editors if none of the F3 gave them enough gold to work with.  And they still have the first half or more of the finale to paint anyone as a contender.  Alison, and Kara to some extent, may not stand out, but do stand out more so than Mike and Angelina.

You got me thinking more that Nick or Davie made it into the final three and pull off the win, if the edit hasn't been consistent with an Alison or Kara win that is.

From an episode thread.  Adding it here since the following speculation is from a preview:

Would the editors really include Mike calling Angelina a psychopath if she actually won?

[violet and green]

It would be a cruel, cruel twist of fate if Alison won. And this season's winner of Survivor Wet Lettuce is....!

But I've been sorely disappointed before, so anything goes now really, now that the Goliaths are on the up and the Davids are down to an idol-less two.

This is the material they've been given to work with and/or chosen to focus on: wishywashy, dithering, cowardly/nervous of making a move, any move, a bit weepy, and keeps telling everyone what a huge threat she is!

I think sneaky Mike is more likely, or even cheesy Kara - crikey, even Angelina strikes me as more likely than Alison - but my heart is holding out for Nick or Davie to wrangle their way into the final Tc and then win this whole thing.

[jay741982]

On 12/14/2018 at 4:46 PM, Coco88 said:

I don’t get why Allison is so upset unless Davie wins immunity.  Christian and Davie were the only ones who voted for her.  Maybe Kara is pissed at her for spilling the beans to Mike about the plan to oust Nick.

If I was Kara I would be pissed at her. It was so stupid!

[Coco88]

Some press photos for the finale.  Another random Davie on the beach photo.

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/photos?page=1&show=survivor

[Bryce Lynch]

On 12/15/2018 at 7:36 PM, violet and green said:

It would be a cruel, cruel twist of fate if Alison won. And this season's winner of Survivor Wet Lettuce is....!

But I've been sorely disappointed before, so anything goes now really, now that the Goliaths are on the up and the Davids are down to an idol-less two.

This is the material they've been given to work with and/or chosen to focus on: wishywashy, dithering, cowardly/nervous of making a move, any move, a bit weepy, and keeps telling everyone what a huge threat she is!

I think sneaky Mike is more likely, or even cheesy Kara - crikey, even Angelina strikes me as more likely than Alison - but my heart is holding out for Nick or Davie to wrangle their way into the final Tc and then win this whole thing.

Nick and Davie are both proven idol finders, so I think there is a decent chance they will dig at least one up.  Also, Angelina seems delusional enough to think she could beat Davie or Nick at FTC, so it is not impossible that she will work with them.  If one of them can get to the Final 4 and win the fire making challenge, he would be the huge favorite at FTC.  

On 12/15/2018 at 5:01 PM, Mark2 said:

From an episode thread.  Adding it here since the following speculation is from a preview:

Would the editors really include Mike calling Angelina a psychopath if she actually won?

I don't see why not.  If anything, strong opinions by other castaways might lean more towards a winner's edit.  That said, I don't think she is going to win.  Maybe if she goes to FTC with Kara and Alison, she might have a chance, by default, since none of those 3 have done much.  But, I think she probably comes in 3rd no matter who she goes to FTC with.  

[Eolivet]

43 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

If anything, strong opinions by other castaways might lean more towards a winner's edit. 

Strong ... negative opinions lean towards a winner's edit? I disagree. I used to think invisibility wasn't a hallmark of the winner, but now I'm not so sure. Blandly nice, but not the biggest character out there pretty much describes most recent winners -- Wendell, Sarah, Adam, Michele. Only Ben with his idols bucks that trend.

And there's a lot of "blandly nice" in this final six.