Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[magnolia11]

Of course Sonny isn't responsible. AJ was fat, remember? That's all on him.

 

That's going to be the big twist that gets Sonny out -- it will be determined that AJ actually ate himself to death.

[KerleyQ]

I'll be pissed if Michael forgives Sonny and Carly over that kind of technicality.  He shot AJ.  Whether that bullet killed him or someone came into his room while he was already down from Sonny's bullet and finished him off, Sonny pulled the trigger and AJ eventually died.  Michael begged him multiple times to not go after AJ.  Sonny promised, and he stewed and moaned and groaned until he had an opportunity to do it anyway (and it was totally justified in his mind).  Then he lied about it for months, tried to be there for Michael in his grief, and then banged Ava literally over AJ's dead body.  And when he found out that AJ was no, in fact, responsible for Connie's murder, he kept quiet instead of giving Michael the peace of knowing AJ was definitely innocent.  Because it conflicted with his own agenda.  I hope Sonny goes to him, blathering about how "I didn't kill AJ after all, Son," and Michael scoffs, tells him not to call him "son" and then gets Alice (or ELQ security, depending on where this occurs) to "escort Mr. Corinthos out."  

[Chairperson Meow]

Who wants to bet that AJ will be played by an in shape actor......further saying fuck you to SK? (Unless Ron has seen that he's working out again, but really he's never stopped!)

Or is Ron really trying to get me to get him a fruit basket? I wasn't bluffing. Don't fuck with my feelings, Douche Writer. Get me SK and treat him well or get a good actor. You have time.

Question. ....Spinelli isn't a forever thing......right?

[BunnyFooFoo]

Well, if AJ winds up not being dead then Sonny technically did not screw on his grave. However, I agree with the sentiment here: Michael should not forgive Sonny. There would still be plenty of reasons to not forgive him.

[KerleyQ]

Well, if AJ winds up not being dead then Sonny technically did not screw on his grave. However, I agree with the sentiment here: Michael should not forgive Sonny. There would still be plenty of reasons to not forgive him.

 

As far as Sonny and Ava knew, AJ was dead, so I still count it, even if he turns out to be alive (which I'm not holding my breath for). 

[ch1]

Sonny would have still screwed on the graves of every other Q - including Lila and the child he watched grow and then bang Emily.

 

I'm not getting my hopes up about AJ coming back.  My luck it will be that Michael guy from Y&R and I do not see him as AJ.

[jsbt]

Anything from that site sounds like fanfic to me. I know the Sonny diehards were pushing a lot of bullshit they made up about anyone being A.J.'s "real killer" - Faison, Julian, you name it. It's easy for fanbases to astroturf shit like that on anon boards to manufacture a narrative, and then the mags or more reputable sites pick it up because frankly, they're all desperate.

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Ron did it to create another hollow-ass swerve and "absolve" Sonny, but as of now I have seen no indication of a more reputable source beyond the same old fanbase tactic.

[yowsah1]

Back at the prison, Sonny has his shank to Johnny. "I will kill you and there's no one here to stop me!" "Wanna bet?" Franco stops him.

 

LOVE!!!!

 

I hope Franco gets shanked in the prison yard and dies.

 

Not until after Sonny does.  Priorities!!  ;)

 

Anything from that site sounds like fanfic to me. I know the Sonny diehards were pushing a lot of bullshit they made up about anyone being A.J.'s "real killer" - Faison, Julian, you name it. It's easy for fanbases to astroturf shit like that on anon boards to manufacture a narrative, and then the mags or more reputable sites pick it up because frankly, they're all desperate.

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Ron did it to create another hollow-ass swerve and "absolve" Sonny, but as of now I have seen no indication of a more reputable source beyond the same old fanbase tactic.

 

This.  I was just about to jump in and inform people that SoapZone is hangout for the once-mighty Sonny fanbase*, and they've been concocting these fake-ass, "Sonny didn't really kill A.J. (who was fat and totally deserved to die)!!!" so-called "spoilers" for months now.

 

 

* - Seriously, it's almost sad how the Sonny fans have dwindled down to almost nothing on these websites.  I remember a time when the consolidated Sonny threads at the 'Zone could easily go to about 300 posts per episode from as many posters, now it's just the same dozen people endlessly circle-jerking over Sonny Corinthos.  That, and the fact that Sonny's downfall resulted in a nice bump in the ratings, gives me hope we may someday be shut of that horrible, horrible character.

[Chairperson Meow]

There is a Sonny circle jerk site?

I need vodka. Lots of vodka.

[Kitty Redstone]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ron has someone else ultimately be responsible for killing AJ, or if AJ is actually alive in one of the Cassadine lairs, because nothing that ever happens on this show means anything.

 

Case in point -- everyone knows Sonny isn't going to stay in prison for more than five minutes, so why the fuck bother?  It is pointless and boring and stupid, just like the character himself.

[Chairperson Meow]

I will take AJ being alive because fuck you Ron. AJ should have never ever been murdered. He is flawed, but he is not a victim and he is not a villian. The problem is every writer pushes Sonny/Carly/Jason as the anti heroes, but AJ is the anti hero. He's your shades of gray character that screws up, but wants to do right the gets human and reacts to his surroundings, the things done to him, lashing out. He gets called on his shit, but dammit, he rises from the ashes. AJ has been an underdog since he was born. Since he was a kid. So yes, I will take AJ lives because killing him was probably one of the dumbest things that a show with I love super villains, kiddie love stories, and latex masks has done. Because it drastically altered the DNA of this show. Jason Morgan was a thug. But AJ Quartermaine was a survivor. He was your rootable antihero. And that is a testament to BW and SK to portray that above the decades of shit writing.

So viva los AJ!

[testardo]

I have no idea how to do spoiler tag thingies (plus a 12 week old Siamese kitten is obsessed with my computer and keeps climbing on my keyboard =^..^= lol) but please someone tell me the spoiler I read at SoapZone saying Sonny may not be responsible for AJ's murder, that he 'started the ball rolling but didn't finish the deed' or words to that effect, is a December Fool's joke! I can't, if this happens I am truly, officially, out of here.

I know retcons happen all the time but damn me to Hell if I have to see Sonny and Carly and their smarmy faces while Michael feels guilty for 'not believing' in Sonny and blah blah crap.

Of course Sonny will get out of jail but not like this. Please?

 

If this happens, not only will I swim to The Barge, but I will build another level and/or another barge to attach to the Real Barge because seriously, if Sonny winds up not-the-killer, we're gonna need a bigger Barge ;)

I'll race you to the barge. I won't be surprised I have been expecting it all along. Last time Sonny won over AJ I left the show for eight years. I don't think this mess has another eight years in it. I fooled again.. Goodbye. I don't watch enough now ,but if we are to be tol;d Sonny didn't do it, and some fool out of the sky did. Ron has lost me forever.

Edited December 18, 2014 by testardo

[KerleyQ]

If Ron was to genuinely go in the "someone else actually finished AJ off" direction, I don't get what the point would be.  We saw Sonny shoot AJ on screen.  That act isn't diminished by the fact that maybe someone else wandered into AJ's hospital room and injected something into his IV (or whatever Ron will try to claim happened).  Sonny willingly (and happily, truth be told) shot an unarmed man in cold blood.  Because he couldn't handle that Michael was bonding with his real father.  It drove him fucking nuts that his property was spending time with AJ.  Yeah, yeah, he thought AJ killed Connie, but he couldn't have picked Connie out of a police lineup in that moment.  And he already believed AJ killed Connie when he promised Michael that he wouldn't try to take him out.  He wanted AJ dead (has wanted AJ dead since Michael was a baby), and he took action to make that so.  If AJ hadn't been lying in a hospital bed, weakened and vulnerable, thanks to Sonny's bullet, then some other person wouldn't have had that opportunity to finish him off.  It'll be beyond idiotic if anyone who is pissed at Sonny goes "oh, well, it was someone else who finished what you started? Then we can all totally forget that you shot an unarmed man because you're a pissy little asshole. Let's organize a St. Sonny's Day parade, stat!" 

 

BTW, if Guza was still writing, it would totally be Julian who finished him off, because a rival for Sonny who gets too much positive viewer attention always gets thrown in under that bus. 

[Chairperson Meow]

We would have already had the reveal, the parade, and the sad scenes. AJ would have also told Michael he was weak, etc etc in a drunken haze because AJ was a fat asshole under the Guza era.

(I still miss you Ted King.)

[ulkis]

If Ron was to genuinely go in the "someone else actually finished AJ off" direction, I don't get what the point would be.  We saw Sonny shoot AJ on screen.  That act isn't diminished by the fact that maybe someone else wandered into AJ's hospital room and injected something into his IV (or whatever Ron will try to claim happened).  Sonny willingly (and happily, truth be told) shot an unarmed man in cold blood. 

 

BTW, if Guza was still writing, it would totally be Julian who finished him off, because a rival for Sonny who gets too much positive viewer attention always gets thrown in under that bus. 

 

pfft, KerleyQ, I bet you're also one of those harsh people who couldn't get past the fact that Sonny shot a cop in cold blood even though he didn't know it wasn't his son. Why do you gotta rain on Sonny's parade man?

 

Sonny should just start shooting everyone in town and each time there's a pop-up of some ridiculous reason why it doesn't count. "oops, he tripped on a banana peel!"

Edited December 18, 2014 by ulkis

[Cattitude]

Sonny should just start shooting everyone in town and each time there's a pop-up of some ridiculous reason why it doesn't count. "oops, he tripped on a banana peel!"

 

This made me LOL b/c I pictured Sonny dressed like Harpo Marx with a red clown nose and a horn. he!(thanks for my funny of the day.)

[LeftPhalange]

If Ron wanted to have Sonny sent to prison for a few months while Michel hates him, and then eventually absolve him, there was a less convoluted way to go about it. Why not have someone switch out Sonny's bipolar meds again, causing him to have a psychotic episode. He confronts AJ and then the scene fades to black. The next time we see Sonny he is waking up after having lost consciousness. He regains his bearings and notices AJ's dead body. He see's his gun nearby and assumes he's the one who killed him. He covers it up and Carly, Morgan, and Kiki keep quiet. Everything would play out exactly as it is now except when it comes time to absolve Sonny we don't have to pretend like we didn't see him shoot AJ on screen.  

[KerleyQ]

pfft, KerleyQ, I bet you're also one of those harsh people who couldn't get past the fact that Sonny shot a cop in cold blood even though he knew it wasn't his son. Why do you gotta rain on Sonny's parade man?

 

Sonny should just start shooting everyone in town and each time there's a pop-up of some ridiculous reason why it doesn't count. "oops, he tripped on a banana peel!"

 

Sonny is the master of "why you bringing up old stuff?" 

 

It's wrong that I'd watch that show.  But I would. 

[Chairperson Meow]

Why couldn't we just have Coma AJ? FFS this better lead to- if it happens- an omfg AJ IS ALIVE HOLY SHIT reveal and now Omg let us all bow down at the altar of His Stutterbarking and Shooting, Loves His Kids and is Soooo Damned Tufffff Sonny Corinthos.

[dubbel zout]

The next time we see Sonny he is waking up after having lost consciousness. He regains his bearings and notices AJ's dead body. He see's his gun nearby and assumes he's the one who killed him.

No, no, no. I don't want Sonny to be able to use being bipolar as an excuse. Sonny blames everything and everyone else the way it is. Don't bring a legitimate condition into it. Let him stew in his own selfish, hateful juices.

 

Keep AJ dead dead, and let Michael remind Sonny on a constant basis that he (Sonny) was the one who killed him for petty, childish reasons. Of course Michael and Sonny will eventually have some sort of reconciliation, but Dante hasn't forgotten that Sonny shot him in the chest and is disgusted with Sonny on a regular basis. I'm fine with Michael having that sort of relationship with Sonny, too.

[ulkis]

No, no, no. I don't want Sonny to be able to use being bipolar as an excuse. Sonny blames everything and everyone else the way it is. Don't bring a legitimate condition into it. Let him stew in his own selfish, hateful juices.

 

Keep AJ dead dead, and let Michael remind Sonny on a constant basis that he (Sonny) was the one who killed him for petty, childish reasons. Of course Michael and Sonny will eventually have some sort of reconciliation, but Dante hasn't forgotten that Sonny shot him in the chest and is disgusted with Sonny on a regular basis. I'm fine with Michael having that sort of relationship with Sonny, too.

 

I'm imagining a family dinner a couple of years from now where Sonny says something like, "oh I man botched up this bird as badly as a botched up the whole AJ situation" and then everyone just staring at him and him mumbling . . . "don't understand why people are still mad about that."

Edited December 18, 2014 by ulkis

[HeatLifer]

Robin killed AJ. She'll go to jail and Ron will applaud himself for another creative longterm exit.

[TeeVee329]

Spoilers for next week:

 

http://tvsourcemagazine.com/2014/12/general-hospital-spoilers-december-22-2014/

Edited December 19, 2014 by TeeVee329

[ch1]

So Michael is pretty much non-existent now.  He had his confrontations and now nothing.  A couple of scenes here and there.  Do they have any real plans for him?  Besides being a plot point for Sonny?

[OnceSane]

So Michael is pretty much non-existent now.  He had his confrontations and now nothing.  A couple of scenes here and there.  Do they have any real plans for him?  Besides being a plot point for Sonny?

Doubtful. He has been a plot point for Carly, Jason, and Sonny since birth.

[ulkis]

So Michael is pretty much non-existent now.  He had his confrontations and now nothing.  A couple of scenes here and there.  Do they have any real plans for him?  Besides being a plot point for Sonny?

 

Kiki and Morgan will become a real couple, Michael will realize his mistake and this time will really hardcore woo her! So that means backburner for him probably while Kiki and Morgan re-establish their relationship.

 

That's just speculation, but I have a hard time believing as long as CD and KA are together in real life we'll ever get away from the monstrosity that is Kiki/Michael.

Edited December 19, 2014 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

Kiki and Morgan will become a real couple, Michael will realize his mistake and this time will really hardcore woo her! So that means backburner for him probably while Kiki and Morgan re-establish their relationship.

 

That's just speculation, but I have a hard time believing as long as CD and KA are together in real life we'll ever get away from the monstrosity that is Kiki/Michael.

 

Yeah, it seems Michael's purpose right now is to give Carly sads and to create an "us against the world" vibe for the Kiki/Morgan reunion.  Blech blech blech.

 

And yes, I totally think that Michael/Kiki and CD/KA are the Rex/Gigi and JPL/Farah Fath of this show.  They'll never, ever, ever truly be over.

[dubbel zout]

I didn't mind Rex and Gigi too much at the beginning, but they became insufferable. Lauren was insufferable with Morgan and Michael from the get-go. 

[HeatLifer]

"Carly and Jake find themselves in a compromising position."

Ron never fails to amaze.

[boes]

"Carly and Jake find themselves in a compromising position."

Ron never fails to amaze.

 

I'm assuming this means we'll see Carly hanging upside down from a tree picking nits out of her hair while "Jake" stares up at her, telling her she's awesome.  

[jennifer6973]

FYI Nathan Varni tweeted that since today's episode was pre-empted nationally it will be aired on Monday and we will get a new episode on the 24th.

[HeatLifer]

I'm assuming this means we'll see Carly hanging upside down from a tree picking nits out of her hair while "Jake" stares up at her, telling her she's awesome.

Bwah! I'm assuming this means they're about to kiss or have some moment of sexual tension because Ron hasn't said "Fuck you!" to Robin enough.

[magnolia11]

Bwah! I'm assuming this means they're about to kiss or have some moment of sexual tension because Ron hasn't said "Fuck you!" to Robin enough.

 

Well, that, and Carly has gone a few weeks now without a guy telling her how hot and awesome she is. </major eyeroll>

[HeatLifer]

Well, that, and Carly has gone a few weeks now without a guy telling her how hot and awesome she is. </major eyeroll>

Yup. How convenient that Sonny NEVER WANTS TO SEE HER, right?

[LeftPhalange]

 

Jake and Liz find themselves under the mistletoe,

Will their kiss be interrupted by friend or by foe?

And will New Year’s Eve invitations,

Put a damper on their budding relations?

 

If Ron wants anyone to care about Jakeson he should try letting him interact with someone other than Liz for more than five minutes. I'm sure even her fans are getting tired of her spending every waking moment with him.

[mybabyaidan]

I am thinking they are interrupted by Ric's return.  

[Tiger]

"Carly and Jake find themselves in a compromising position.".

Tiger simultaneously vomits and throws up the middle finger to Ron.

[WendyCR72]

"Carly and Jake find themselves in a compromising position.".

 

Let's do the time warp agaaaaaaaaaaain! With many apologies to The Rocky Horror Picture Show. But Ronnie thinks it's the '90s all over again...

[Veronica]

Rick Hearst last taped Dec 3 with Liz. Frank and Ron do not like him. He made a really bad impression last fall when he was taping.

Rumors are:

Julian is going to get, "I will never forgive you for helping the man who killed my choirboy husband even though you didn't know about me., Jason, or that Faison was part of it," from Sam.

Sam's a fucking bitch - the people your precious Jason killed had relatives who loved them as much as you loved Jason (whose eyes you can't even fucking recognize, you damn waste).

He will plead withAlexis to take him back. He will reject him. He gives up. Alexis tries to screw him out of her heart by having sex with Ned. Julian screws Olivia, then gives up and goes to prison. They still love each other. Molly is still a screeching bitch.

Edited December 20, 2014 by Veronica

[Chairperson Meow]

I don't think he did. I think he didn't get what Frank/Ron wanted, so that was "the problem".

Btw. According to gh happenings, Robin Mattison started taping on Dec 18th, mostly with MSt.

[peachmangosteen]

Btw. According to gh happenings, Robin Mattison started taping on Dec 18th, mostly with MSt.

 

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????????????????

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Oy please can we talk? Why wait til Monday? The epi is available on the Web.

 

We find out who is the father of Ava's huge baby. And The Christmas miracle shapes up when douche Judge does a 180 for us

We find out the separate fates of Franco and Ninoo. KaKa and Morgan share a passionate sizzler of a kiss.

Alexis proves a traitor to Franco.

Carly knows who the father of the baby is, and plots to use it to her own advantage.

 

Ron's left so many presents for us!

Edited December 20, 2014 by WendyCR72

[tvgoddess]

Not enough alcohol or barf bags to get through that tripe.

[WendyCR72]

Should have been a warning with the spoilers to have copious amounts of Pepto-Bismol or the booze of your choice at your disposal.

[Chairperson Meow]

My guess?

Because Nina is probably going to the mental ward for a tad.

Really.....Port Charles has two defense lawyers? Two?

[ulkis]

From the twitter of the actor who plays agent not-hot (aka Sloane)

 

Robb Derringer 
Friends I got sad/disheartening news today that my story/character on GH is ending. I shot my last episode yesterday. Thank you all so much.

 

hurrah!

[TeeVee329]

From the twitter of the actor who plays agent not-hot (aka Sloane)

 

Robb Derringer 

Friends I got sad/disheartening news today that my story/character on GH is ending. I shot my last episode yesterday. Thank you all so much.

 

hurrah!

 

Jamey Giddens will be so disappointed. 

 

And also...what story?  He was the contrivance to get the Faison stuff moving, but I wouldn't call that a story.  And he hasn't been seen in weeks.  I say it's not even worth having him show up again.  Just say his spaceship crashed on the way back to his home FBI office.

 

I wonder if there's a bunch of rewriting going on.  Rosalie seems to have disappeared, even though there was a spoiler for last week about her secret being revealed.

Edited December 20, 2014 by TeeVee329

[RealityCowgirl]

However, now I have friends who watch Y&R telling me that Christian LeBlanc is headed to GH. As whom?

Oh, good god. If they bring in one more damn "star" from another damn soap, when we can't see *GH* vets we love (and who need to be In the stories they're telling), I'm out of here and I'm not coming back.

This is just out of control.

[jennifer6973]

Jamey Giddens will be so disappointed. 

 

And also...what story?  He was the contrivance to get the Faison stuff moving, but I wouldn't call that a story.  And he hasn't been seen in weeks.  I say it's not even worth having him show up again.  Just say his spaceship crashed on the way back to his home FBI office.

 

I wonder if there's a bunch of rewriting going on.  Rosalie seems to have disappeared, even though there was a spoiler for last week about her secret being revealed.

 

 

Hmm I guess Ron was wrong when he said some fans were wondering why Anna never paid for what she had done.  Which left me wondering who those "fans" were.

Edited December 20, 2014 by jennifer6973

[WendyCR72]

Hmm I guess Ron was wrong when he said some fans were wondering why Anna never paid for what she had done.  Which left me wondering who those "fans" were.

 

I think their initials were R.C. and F.V.!