Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[Harmony233]

6 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

I need for someone who isn't lazy like me to count how many characters have been created since RC/FV came on. At this point there has to be more newbies on canvas than *vets*. 

It feels like 50 and while there not always cast it feels like they always have casting calls going out.I don't think I could name all the characters on the show without forgetting some.Im not sure what FV obession is with constantly bringing on characters is.

[Badsamaritan]

Mo really should be ashamed of himself. Chad had good story with the AJ fallout and being pissed at him. And then Mo had a hissy so Michael had to forgive Scummy and then basically melt into the canvas. That's both petty and shitty. 

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, yowsah1 said:

SABRINA/MICHAEL:  Somebody from Sabrina's past shows up to disrupt things between her and Michael.

Like others, I want it to be Carlos's twin/cousin, played by Jeffrey Vincent Parise.

[Chairperson Meow]

1 hour ago, Harmony233 said:

It feels like 50 and while there not always cast it feels like they always have casting calls going out.I don't think I could name all the characters on the show without forgetting some.Im not sure what FV obession is with constantly bringing on characters is.

Wait.  I forgot some.  I'll just list them by storyline:

Sabrina, Felix, Britt, Brad, Dr O, Carlos, Ava, Kiki, Jordan, Curtis, Valerie, Hayden, Naomi, Silas, Finn, Nina, Madeline, Nathan, Levi, Aaron, Parker, Dr Grump, Rosalie, Nurse Annoying, Tia Something Sabrina's Aunt, ShamWow, Avery, Eduardo, Darby, Ellie, Ewen, Psychiatrist Guy Who's Hot But Boring, Griffin, Claudette, and Chandler.  So that's 35.  Damn.  I'm sure I missed some.  Recasts are:  Julian, Morgan, Franco, Jake, Jason, Nik, Maxie, and Joss.  Returns have been: AJ, Brenda, Jax, Ned none have stayed.  

[TeeVee329]

9 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

I need for someone who isn't lazy like me to count how many characters have been created since RC/FV came on. At this point there has to be more newbies on canvas than *vets*. 

I was more annoyed when Shelly and Jean came in and said in interviews, "Nooo, we're not gonna add any new characters, the canvas is plentiful, we're gonna use who we got!".  And then, in short succession, added Andre, Curtis, Darby, Parker, Griffin, Aaron, Amy 2.0, Dr. Mayes, the recast Mayor Lomax, Dr. Michael Easton, Naomi, and now Claudette and Huxley.  That's a bunch for, what, eight months?

Edited June 8, 2016 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

Don't forget Huxley's assistant.

[TeeVee329]

How could I!

And at least, when Ron took over, he brought back a lot of vets who hadn't been seen in years, and who I thought I'd never see again when the show was extra-Guzified - Heather, Felicia, Frisco, Bobbie, Scotty, Lucy, Kevin, Brenda, Jax, Faison, Laura.  Sure, his writing for all of them was not always the greatest, but at least he mined the show's history.  I haven't seen Shelly and Jean do that in any real way, expect maybe giving Kevin more to do (which probably has more to do with Frank's promise to give Laura a love story).

Edited June 8, 2016 by TeeVee329

[LeftPhalange]

53 minutes ago, Chairperson Meow said:

Wait.  I forgot some.  I'll just list them by storyline:

Sabrina, Felix, Britt, Brad, Dr O, Carlos, Ava, Kiki, Jordan, Curtis, Valerie, Hayden, Naomi, Silas, Finn, Nina, Madeline, Nathan, Levi, Aaron, Parker, Dr Grump, Rosalie, Nurse Annoying, Tia Something Sabrina's Aunt, ShamWow, Avery, Eduardo, Darby, Ellie, Ewen, Psychiatrist Guy Who's Hot But Boring, Griffin, Claudette, and Chandler.  So that's 35.  Damn.  I'm sure I missed some.  Recasts are:  Julian, Morgan, Franco, Jake, Jason, Nik, Maxie, and Joss.  Returns have been: AJ, Brenda, Jax, Ned none have stayed.  

Who is Chandler? Chandler Bing?

[tvgoddess]

Nik's driver?

[Francie]

9 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

I think 11.  I didn't count Franco because he's a recast.  Wait, no.  13 if you count Dr.Finn.  15 if you count Dr Grump and Nurse Annoyance.  

 

1 hour ago, Chairperson Meow said:

Wait.  I forgot some.  I'll just list them by storyline:

Sabrina, Felix, Britt, Brad, Dr O, Carlos, Ava, Kiki, Jordan, Curtis, Valerie, Hayden, Naomi, Silas, Finn, Nina, Madeline, Nathan, Levi, Aaron, Parker, Dr Grump, Rosalie, Nurse Annoying, Tia Something Sabrina's Aunt, ShamWow, Avery, Eduardo, Darby, Ellie, Ewen, Psychiatrist Guy Who's Hot But Boring, Griffin, Claudette, and Chandler.  So that's 35.  Damn.  I'm sure I missed some.  Recasts are:  Julian, Morgan, Franco, Jake, Jason, Nik, Maxie, and Joss.  Returns have been: AJ, Brenda, Jax, Ned none have stayed.  

I look at it more that when Frank and Ron took over in January or February of 2012, there were about 30 actors on contract. Now, four years later, only 9 of those actors are still on contract:

Maurice Benard, Nancy Lee Grahn, Kelly Monaco, Jane Elliot

Rebecca Herbst (whom we almost lost this year); Laura Wright, Dominic Zamprogna, Chad Duell, and

Lisa LoCicero, though someone thought she had been dropped to recurring recently.

That's more than a 2/3's cut of the cast to make room for their OLTL-ers, newbies and returns.

Edited to add: I forgot that Kirsten Storms was on leave at the time they took over, and she came back not long thereafter, so I'd count it at 10. Still a 2/3's cut of the cast over four years.  

Edited June 8, 2016 by Francie

[peachmangosteen]

10 hours ago, jsbt said:

I wish I was dead.

LMAO!

9 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

Some of those spoilers actually sound like they could be good on a show that isn't trash and and doesn't employ writers who are incompetent. 

Really though. Like all the talk of adventures and unlikely alliances and even people from the past showing up is classic soap and could be really good stuff, but like 90% of the characters involved are horrible and the writers are literally the worst so it's all going to be rage inducing and boring and stupid.

16 minutes ago, Francie said:

I look at it more that when Frank and Ron took over in January or February of 2012, there were about 30 actors on contract. Now, four years later, only 9 of those actors are still on contract:

WOW.

[TeeVee329]

38 minutes ago, Francie said:

I look at it more that when Frank and Ron took over in January or February of 2012, there were about 30 actors on contract. Now, four years later, only 9 of those actors are still on contract:

That's more than a 2/3's cut of the cast to make room for their OLTL-ers, newbies and returns.

Ehhh, that's not entirely fair.  Some of those actors - Tony Geary, Bradford Anderson, Brandon Barash - chose to leave of their own accord and weren't cut to make room for others and, in the case of the latter two, have returned for guest stints since.  And some - like Kelly Sullivan's Connie - clearly had run their course. 

I mean, it's soaps.  There's always a certain rate of turnover.  That can't all be pinned to Ron and Frank.  I mean, Guza was the one who pushed the likes of Tyler Christopher, Ingo Rademacher, and Jonathan Jackson towards the door the last year or two of his run.

I take more affront to, for example, the Sean Kanan situation, where they clearly turned on him, lost interest in writing for him, and created a situation where he had to come to them asking to be let go.

Edited June 8, 2016 by TeeVee329

[Chairperson Meow]

1 hour ago, LeftPhalange said:

Who is Chandler? Chandler Bing?

Nik's butler that Spencer makes dive for things.  The one that had to dive in the river for the box of votes.  Spencer was always making him do weird and embarrassing things.

[Francie]

33 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Ehhh, that's not entirely fair.  Some of those actors - Tony Geary, Bradford Anderson, Brandon Barash - chose to leave of their own accord and weren't cut to make room for others and, in the case of the latter two, have returned for guest stints since.  And some - like Kelly Sullivan's Connie - clearly had run their course. 

I mean, it's soaps.  There's always a certain rate of turnover.  That can't all be pinned to Ron and Frank.  I mean, Guza was the one who pushed the likes of Tyler Christopher, Ingo Rademacher, and Jonathan Jackson towards the door the last year or two of his run.

I take more affront to, for example, the Sean Kanan situation, where they clearly turned on him, lost interest in writing for him, and created a situation where he had to come to them asking to be let go.

I think the overall stat is revealing because it speaks to their priorities and vision for the show. Look at who they've bent over backwards to keep and re-hire on the show -- the OLTL 3. Especially Easton.

[Chairperson Meow]

Something is still fishy AF with the SK thing.  I wish someone would spill tea on that.  

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, Francie said:

I think the overall stat is revealing because it speaks to their priorities and vision for the show. Look at who they've bent over backwards to keep and re-hire on the show -- the OLTL 3. Especially Easton.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, with the ignoring the possibilities with AJ because it was more important to sell Roger Howarth and, most blatantly, the re-rehiring of Michael Easton.  But I don't think you can say every person who was on contract then who isn't now is because Frank and Ron (and Shelly and Jean) chose a OLTL person or newbie over them.

[Francie]

6 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't necessarily disagree with that, with the ignoring the possibilities with AJ because it was more important to sell Roger Howarth and, most blatantly, the re-rehiring of Michael Easton.  But I don't think you can say every person who was on contract then who isn't now is because Frank and Ron (and Shelly and Jean) chose a OLTL person or newbie over them.

I don't believe I have said that.

[TeeVee329]

You said in your original post that 2/3 of the cast was cut to make room for OLTL-ers and newbies.

There was also no major cull when they took over, like what routinely happens at Days.  The only people I remember them ditching when they came in was TWIW and Maggie, both the right calls, and maybe Matt?

[jsbt]

I think you're both right.

And there was a cull - people like Maggie, Ewen, the Woman in White (was her name Cassandra? I can't remember) etc. - but it was mostly no-hopers.

[TeeVee329]

Oh yeah, Dr. Ewen.  But he hung in there for a while, as Connie's shrink during the D.I.D. story and then as the first cog in the Legion of Doom machine re: Robin's abduction.  He didn't die, til when, the water crisis?

But I feel like Days, when they switch writers, will routinely axe major characters and that wasn't really the case here.

Edited June 8, 2016 by TeeVee329

[Francie]

33 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

You said in your original post that 2/3 of the cast was cut to make room for OLTL-ers and newbies.

There was also no major cull when they took over, like what routinely happens at Days.  The only people I remember them ditching when they came in was TWIW and Maggie, both the right calls, and maybe Matt?

Ok, I get you now. I didn't mean that they came in and cut 2/3rds of the cast immediately. Or that they were responsible for each and every person leaving. John Ingle passed away for instance. :( 

To me, it is staggering that 2/3rds of the contract cast is gone in barely over the 4 year mark for them. That was my point. Obviously actors are going to leave and there should be some shown the door, but one can really see how much they've made it their show and just how much they were willing to let the more recent past go. They didn't bother making even a decent effort to try holding on to the ones they could have, and we can agree and disagree whether that was good or bad in any particular instance. But, again, the overall impact is that it, I would argue, reveals a lack of interest in the GH they were handed.

I guess my best examples would be that instead of building up Elizabeth as a character, they give her a horrible storyline with a newbie actor, and then they let contract negotiations with Rebecca go down to the wire.  They've given Dominic shit to do over the last year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave. Jason Thompson left because they gave him crap. Meanwhile, the Reeves/Dr. O/Whatever family seems to be core one for them.

They've changed the overall landscape of the show. And having only 9 actors left from January 2012 is one sign to show just how much. I doubt any one of us would be blinking if it was 15 or 18. That would be normal attrition. Or maybe even 12, which would be more than half. But losing 2/3rds of your cast in less than 5 years? You don't think that's significant?

BTW, just to clarify, my sentence wasn't " 2/3 of the cast was cut to make room for OLTL-ers and newbies." I said "OLT-ers, newbies and returns."

Edited June 8, 2016 by Francie

[Chairperson Meow]

I wouldn't be surprised if Chad, Dom, and Bryan go for different reasons.  CD because he had a great story that was cut dead in the water for no reason, but to showcase Sonny.  DZ because he's probably bored.  BC probably thinks he can be a star.

[jsbt]

The thing is, in Frank's eyes pairing Becky with Roger Howarth is a major promotion. Howarth is his star despite everything and I think he believes the pairing will help both of them. I know Becky's said she thinks it'll be good for her, who knows how much of that is her being politic but I know a lot of actors are often excited to work with him despite the terrible character. So that's the kind of backwards thinking we're dealing with. They don't see it as forcing Herbst to deal with some newbie. They see it as gifting her with a daytime star. There's a lot of strange up is down/black is white shit going on like that.

[Cattitude]

13 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

If MSt will play Nina as Phyllis, then who is she banging by the dumpster? 

Curtis of course b/c he is a sketchy kind of guy.

 

Gawd I hope Ava doesn't team up with Jason and Sam. Somehow why do I think it might be Dante and Lulu. It does seem "unlikely".

[TeeVee329]

2 hours ago, Francie said:

BTW, just to clarify, my sentence wasn't " 2/3 of the cast was cut to make room for OLTL-ers and newbies." I said "OLT-ers, newbies and returns."

One of whom, let's not forget, was your girl Anna.  They're the ones who brought her back and on contract. ;)

But then, of course, they unwisely forgoed doing the same with Tristan Rogers and were shocked, SHOCKED, when he chose a regular gig on Y&R over hanging around in case they needed him.

So there's been some good and some bad, though I do agree it's been a downslide slide towards bad as time has worn on, the Claudette shit being the perfect example.

Edited June 8, 2016 by TeeVee329

[TeeVee329]

41 minutes ago, jsbt said:

The thing is, in Frank's eyes pairing Becky with Roger Howarth is a major promotion.

Ditto, if it happens, making Rebecca Budig her sister.

[Lillybee]

For those who were hoping for JJ's return as Lucky, don't hold your breath because it looks like Nashville may be picked up by CMT network according to Variety.

[UYI]

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

You said in your original post that 2/3 of the cast was cut to make room for OLTL-ers and newbies.

There was also no major cull when they took over, like what routinely happens at Days.  The only people I remember them ditching when they came in was TWIW and Maggie, both the right calls, and maybe Matt?

 

Didn't Nathan Parsons (Ethan) leave on his own shortly after Frank & Ron got there? I think it was because his fee fees were hurt when they cut the four year (!) epic Wolf had planned for him and TWIW. In  which case, he DESERVED to be fired. Chill out bro, they did you (and us) a favor.

Of course, whether or not Ethan leaving was a good thing or not is largely YMMV--I know he (or he and LA's Kristina) had fans, but he also got hate for being Luke & Holly's love baby/wearing stupid chains. 

[TeeVee329]

Oh dear...http://www.soapoperaspy.com/2016/general-hospital-news-jazmyn-skye-vale-joins-gh-cast-as-athena/

My first thought when I read this - she's the Stavros/Lulu embryo magically aged up to five via Cassadine...methods.

[dubbel zout]

Oh, FFS. The last thing this show needs is a new CHILD.

[HeatLifer]

Is it really that hard for ABC to find a replacement for this show? Jasus.

[dubbel zout]

14 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Is it really that hard for ABC to find a replacement for this show? Jasus.

Apparently it is, as everything they've tried has tanked. Big time.

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Apparently it is, as everything they've tried has tanked. Big time.

I have a few pitches, for reals. Anything to get this show off the air before I have to see the spawn of Stavros and Lulu.

[rur]

45 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 

Quote

Is it really that hard for ABC to find a replacement for this show? Jasus.

Apparently it is, as everything they've tried has tanked. Big time.

And, in most worlds, that would be an indication to TPTB that perhaps they should put a little bit more money into something that continues to meet with (some degree of) success so they can continue to bring in an audience.  But at ABCD seems determined to mount a string of unoriginal failures.                                                       

[ulkis]

51 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I have a few pitches, for reals. Anything to get this show off the air before I have to see the spawn of Stavros and Lulu.

It's our fault for not loving Val/Dante!

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, FFS. The last thing this show needs is a new CHILD.

Seriously. I know this isn't wasn't a webpage affiliated with the show but:

It will be exciting to see what the young star brings to the role when she debuts next month.

No, no it won't. She's 5! I don't care.

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, UYI said:

Didn't Nathan Parsons (Ethan) leave on his own shortly after Frank & Ron got there? I think it was because his fee fees were hurt when they cut the four year (!) epic Wolf had planned for him and TWIW. In  which case, he DESERVED to be fired. Chill out bro, they did you (and us) a favor.

Maybe partly, but I'm sure Tony, Julie, JJ and whoever else had told him to get the fuck out of dodge (subconscious pun perhaps intended; I'll never know!) when his contract was up anyway.

[cmahorror]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Is it really that hard for ABC to find a replacement for this show? Jasus.

Maybe they could bring Sri Rao back and resurrect GH: Night Shift (Scorpio edition of course) to replace the show formerly known as General Hospital.

Edited June 8, 2016 by cmahorror

[HeatLifer]

10 minutes ago, ulkis said:

It's our fault for not loving Val/Dante!

Wasn't I tortured in 2014/2015 enough? What more do they want from me!? I draw the line at spawn.

[Ambrosefolly]

7 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Ehhh, that's not entirely fair.  Some of those actors - Tony Geary, Bradford Anderson, Brandon Barash - chose to leave of their own accord and weren't cut to make room for others and, in the case of the latter two, have returned for guest stints since.  And some - like Kelly Sullivan's Connie - clearly had run their course. 

[snip]

I take more affront to, for example, the Sean Kanan situation, where they clearly turned on him, lost interest in writing for him, and created a situation where he had to come to them asking to be let go.

The only reason Kate/Connie ran her course is because FV/RC ran her into the ground. I think there was a lot they could do with a self made business woman. Lord knows, she was a nominally on this show. Her later suffering from a mental illness, was not anomaly  and insulting. And I am one of the few that resented that they killed her off. Out of all the characters that go off to Europe to live, hers was the only one where that would make sense to do so. 

I am not a 100% convince on Brandon Barash...they really ended up writing his character into a corner and I suspect, to my horror, Bradford Anderson would want to return. While I can't say much about the characters that were introduced during the Wolf era,  I can say that the actors that predate FV, some that even predate JFP,  some who are still in a target demographic, are not featured in storylines of their own, instead supporting newer and often weaker actors/characters and in the cases of Liz, Nik and Anna, having their character severely degraded. It only seem to be the recasts that are faring somewhat better. Now they are writing completely new backstories that have little to anything to do with GH's own history, like with Nathan, Griffin and Claudette or Rayden and Naomi.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Ambrosefolly

[UYI]

16 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

The only reason Kate/Connie ran her course is because FV/RC ran her into the ground. I think there was a lot they could do with a self made business woman. Lord knows, she was a nominally on this show. Her later suffering from a mental illness, was not a nominally and insulting. And I am one of the few that resented that they killed her off. Out of all the characters that go off to Europe to live, hers was the only one where that would make sense to do so. 

I am not a 100% convince on Brandon Barash...they really ended up writing his character into a corner and I suspect, to my horror, Bradford Anderson would want to return. While I can't say much about the characters that were introduced during the Wolf era,  I can say that the actors that predate FV, some that even predate JFP,  some who are still in a target demographic, are not featured in storylines of their own, instead supporting newer and often weaker actors/characters and in the cases of Liz, Nik and Anna, having their character severely degraded. It only seem to be the recasts that are faring somewhat better. Now they are writing completely new backstories that have little to anything to do with GH's own history, like with Nathan, Griffin and Claudette or Rayden and Naomi.

 

Do you mean an anomaly?

I mean, you're right, I'm just making sure. 

[Ambrosefolly]

anomaly

[Tiger]

20 hours ago, Chairperson Meow said:

Let me guess....Curtis is actually TJ's father.  That's the only story I have any interest in, but the actors are black, so they'll be on about collectively a week all summer.  

All I want for the MSt's next love interest is Nina/Sonny.  Nonny 

We already decided theyd be "Ninny", for so many obvious reasons.  

I'm still waiting for Si[c]ki . . . 

[TwistedandBored]

I look at those spoilers and see some stories that could be interesting, but then I remember the writers we have...never mind. 

[Oracle42]

I didn't think they could make GH more boring and terrible than they made Y&R. I was wrong.

Whoever grabbed these two out of the CBS dumpster needs to toss 'em back and throw themselves in afterwards. Between the weak shit they offered up during "sweeps", the non-story they made of Lucas Jones (who is related to half the remaining fucking cast) nearly dying and these bullshit spoilers? That these two are still employed is a sign of either incompetence or of giving zero fucks

[stlbf]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh dear...http://www.soapoperaspy.com/2016/general-hospital-news-jazmyn-skye-vale-joins-gh-cast-as-athena/

My first thought when I read this - she's the Stavros/Lulu embryo magically aged up to five via Cassadine...methods.

Or could she be the rumored daughter of Tree's ex wife, Claudette? That my first thought. 

[Oracle42]

Either way. DO. NOT. WANT.

[IWantCandy71]

I need a new spoiler of Tracy and Finn playing another board game. That is how bored and desperate I am. 

[TeeVee329]

21 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Or could she be the rumored daughter of Tree's ex wife, Claudette? That my first thought. 

Oh geez, I hadn't heard that rumors.  In some ways, that's worse!

But I was thinking this little girl is tied to the casting script we saw about the woman on Cassadine Island with a daughter.

Edited June 9, 2016 by TeeVee329

[tvgoddess]

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he [Ethan] also got hate for being Luke & Holly's love baby/wearing stupid chains. 

THIS. I think I was the one bothered the most by them. Plus the fact that he looked like he never showered. Aside from the gigantically stupid and boring TWIW storyline, I didn't really have a problem with Ethan per se. But then there were times I wanted to punch him in the face.

I saw the picture and the speculation about the little 5 year old girl almost a week ago, so I'd actually forgotten all about it. What's hilarious is the article that specs she could be a friend of Josslyn? Isn't Joss like 13 now?

[Oracle42]

She's probably going to be Spencer's creepy new obsession since Emma's parents got her away from the creepy lil psycho