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OK guys the conversation about language has gotten a bit personal so let's table it. Thanks for getting back on topic and remember if you have a problem with a poster or think something's up that should be addressed please report the post and/or PM me and it will be reviewed. 

Here's an adorable puppy to start your Friday the 13th off right!

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Terra treats the gang to a fun filled weekend on Catalina Island, but the news that they'll be roughing it on this vacation turns half the group into extremely unhappy campers. The ladies' sense of adventure is soon revitalized by a thrilling day of zip lining, and they reward themselves with a fancy dinner in town. But their meal ends with a bitter taste, as Lila, fed up with the girls, viciously lashes out at each of them.

 

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Elana and Briana being on the lower end of the offensiveness scale....I find this entire group has revealed themselves to be intolerable, rude and uninteresting.  If the point of the show in the beginning was to show that little people are just like everyone else, well then, society's in some serious trouble.      

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It's mindless dribble for us to watch and talk about the next day - but I'm still watching the dribble! I think most start to watch these shows whether it be Kate Plus 8, Little Women, Dance Moms ect out of curiosity. They show a lifestyle or situation that most of mainstream America will never find themselves in. We become reg viewers not because our curiosity hasn't been satisifed but we either identify or love to crucify one of the characters.

 

I remember the first time I saw a Little Person - I'm older so they were called dwarfs or midgits back then. I had to be 4 or 5 and Granny was getting ready to go back home on the Greyhound bus, when across the bus station I saw a gentleman Little Person who was just about my size. My parents nudged me and told me to turn around and not stare but this little girl could not fathom why this adult was not like the rest of adults.

 

Fast forward 14 years and my best friend at work was a Little Person. Jeannie had such a big personality that you couldn't help but love her. She never seemed to get the looks, stares or attention that you see these women get in LA where I would think a lot of Little People work due to the availability of work.

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I have to say, I don't like Lila, she comes across as bit fake to me. There's just something a bit off about her. That being said, Tonya and Terra were acting very immature at that house party, the giggling and whispering. Not cute and very mean girlish. I was disappointed in Tonya. As for the name calling, I agreed with Christy on that one, Terra didn't need to go there.

I do agree with the poster above, I think Lila is a trial for Little Women: NY or some other variations.

Don't know why Elena did the surgery. Don't think she needed it.

Still giving Brianna's relationship with dude a *side eye*

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Tonya exudes a lot of confidence but is the kind of person that doesn't know how to handle any situation except by being aggressive and physical. Her talking head stating that it was a good thing her daughter was there to hold her back or else she would be kicking someone's butt was just one example. It's the same way she got with Elena during the inappropriate ex-boyfriend talk and on the reunion show where there was the whole debate about whether or not Elena could take her. I really used to like her but now she's at the top of the my dislike list. 

 

And I love Terra calling Lila a "Ho," while she's sitting there with her boobies practically poppin out of her shirt. I was so angry at the end of that scene when Lila ended up apologizing to Terra...WHAT!!! Regardless of why Christy brought her to the get together, or what that represented, Joe was the number one instigator in that situation. Terra should be apologizing for his behavior as well. 

 

And to my absolute top peeve here....why is it that the number one thing that almost every single person in the world will always resort to when verbally attacking someone is weight! I can absolutely not stand Joe after listening to him basically tear into Todd and Christy by calling them Rhino, Mrs. Piggy, Hippo, etc. It was so unbelievable immature and cruel. I don't understand how a group of people who are extremely passionate about the way they are discriminated against for the way they look could so quickly resort to name calling based on someone's physical appearance. Maybe I'm just overly sensitive about that kind of thing but I just find it so mean when anyone does that. 

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@nomodrama--I completely agree with everything you posted.  Especially the last part--I cannot begin to imagine how these people complain about being bullied, all the while bullying someone else!  It defies logic.  

 

To further comment on watching this "mindless dribble,"  my hubbie commented that he's noticed lately I've been watching mostly shows about little people or people who weigh 600 pounds.  I thought about that for a moment, then agreed because the little people make me feel taller and the morbidly obese people make me feel thinner.   All in all, its feel good viewing for me.  The power of television!  lol

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It's entertainment! We sit here discussing the good or bad sides of these people and they could really care as their probably making $10,000 a week allowing: Todd to remain unemployed, Elena - affird her butt surgery, Tracy and Eric buy a house - not that they don't have money already as Eric works as does Preston - but it's pretty expensive in LA and this is just frosting on the cake.

 

Tonya has a beautiful home, so she must have done well for herself work wise. I think she's a very intelligent woman and in the first season thought she had a bit of class - boy has my opinion of her changed in the last couple of episodes.

 

I agree with the posters above about the name calling. Except for Elena before her surgery and maybe Eric - just because of their dwarfisms - all are stout and compact. The woman have the traditional big butts and Joe is no lightweight. As Christy said previously - they have the same stomach capacity as normal size people but due to their size, it's hard to not gain weight.

 

In the scene where Joe and Terra were coming into the restaurant to meet Eric and Tracy - Terra looked horrible with those slacks or stretch pants she had on. She looked like she had saddlebags coming of the sides of her butt with the bling on the slacks really drawing your attention to the area. Iwonder if they can have buyy reductions? I know I need one!

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Terra really doesn't dress to hide her baggage, if anything her choices emphasize it.  

 

 

I like that about her and that she doesn't hide it.  Good for her.

 

This season is so different from last and not in a good way for me.  Don't care for Lila but Joe and her had something big I think.  And I think Terra knows it too.  Ugh I think the producers have this how thing going about being 'extreme and out there drama'.  I don't want the staged fighting that seems to be happening.  I'm really interested in seeing how these ladies get along.  Terra and Christy are of the same mold except that Terra uses her vulgar mouth and Christy does the whole behind the scenes job. They both do the same things just different ways.  If this season keeps up like this I doubt I will continue to watch.

 

This season for me is so vicious.  Why.  I'd love episodes without Eric, Todd, and Joe.  I don't like any this season.  I was a fan of Eric but he's nothing more than a jerk just like Joe.  Please take off the sunglasses.  Can we send home Lila now too?  Put her on an east coast show not this one.

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This season for me is so vicious.

I swear I wonder sometimes if the producers take notes from fans and then say "OK more crazy fights and please be more bitchy with each other so that no one in their right mind believes you are friends"!  ugh.

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I really wish Lifetime would stop with the scripted drama.    I like this cast, and want to know more about them:   What are their jobs, etc.   It seems like Eric has a 9-5 and is successful, and everyone else is in entertainment to a varying degree.    Does Preston design golf courses? 

 

Laila is adorable.   More Laila, please.   Joe seems like a puke, and Terra is surely an attention whore.  I don't mind Tonya, actively like Christy, Traci, and now Elena.   Brianna's a bit meh but so pretty.     Todd doesn't seem like such a bad guy, and he's cute.

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Well you guys called it!  Just saw a commercial for a new show "Little Women NY"!   I had to rewind, and sure enough, there was Lila, laying atop a taxi cab, along with other cast members!  lol

 

No start date, it just said "Coming Soon".

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Well you guys called it! Just saw a commercial for a new show "Little Women NY"! I had to rewind, and sure enough, there was Lila, laying atop a taxi cab, along with other cast members! lol

No start date, it just said "Coming Soon".

Wow that was fast. Interesting since Lila made a statement about how nice it would be to have a group of Little women friends. Which I thought was odd but I guess now she has her own cast.

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I don't think Tracy's house is nice, I actually think it looks like shit. It looks like a college rental quite frankly. Hope she fixes it up a little.

Seriously? I thought it was big and bright and modern. I didn't see any peeling paint or stains on the carpet or anything in disrepair.

So we solved the Lila mystery. I dIdn't realize the show was popular enough for another franchise.

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I can't stand Laila. She's so fake and desperate for attention. Really? Your vibrator just happened to be sitting gingerly on the table? So annoying. And she makes this super innocent face as she talks. She's creepy.

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I can't stand Laila. She's so fake and desperate for attention. Really? Your vibrator just happened to be sitting gingerly on the table? So annoying. And she makes this super innocent face as she talks. She's creepy.

I can't either. I was liking Laila up until this episode. That vibrator scene was so staged and obnoxious but the way she acted at dinner was so out of line. I know she has history with Terra so I get the tension there but when she went after sweet and lovely Elena, saying she couldn't even understand her, she lost me.

My opinion of Traci also changed for the worse. She was such a downer and playing for sympathy. She was acting like a toddler eating her burger by herself. Because she doesn't like camping? Or being without her husband?

I know Christy can be be a shit-stirrer but Traci claiming that she was copying her life by trying IVF was ridiculous.

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I agree about Lila - fake, creepy, and desperate for attention.  I feel like every movement, every word, and every "emotion" is contrived and manipulated. If this is what we will have to put up with on the NY edition, I may be out.  (Speaking of which, I haven't seen the promotional commercial, but I did do a Google search and saw a promotional picture of the cast.  Lila looks a little different in it.  Also, there's a dude featured in the picture, too.  Not sure why if it's called "Little Women: NY.")  How old is she supposed to be, by the way?  I noticed she was looking a little rough, but I don't know if that's due to age or drinking aged her.  I found her Facebook, but can't tell how old she is.  (Interestingly, she mentioned having a twin sister who I see from her pictures is not a little person.  Not sure if that's true or she is just calling her sister (friend?) her twin sister.)

 

I find it very, very hard to believe that Traci was ever a "wild child" as I believe Christy once described her in a previous episode (or something along those lines). I wanted to comment on last week's episode, and definitely from tonight's episode, that she really, really needs to remove the stick from her ass.  I get that it was sort of a bummer to learn that you were going camping instead of staying in a hotel during the trip (and that was, honestly, a little shitty of Terra if only because I'm sure the ladies would've packed and dressed differently had she told them ahead of time), but come on, make the best of it!  Give things a shot instead of pouting about it all.  Her stick-up-the-ass personality also made me feel bad for her father-in-law in last week's episode.  I get that you're not allowed pets in the apartment, but you can't deal with it for ONE night if he kept it in his bedroom?  She complained that she would have trouble getting things cleaned up upon moving because of "all the cat hair", but if you contain the cat to one room, I seriously doubt the damn thing is going to shed its entire coat all over that room in one night.  So, instead, Traci further shoves the stick up her ass and makes her poor father-in-law and husband - both of whom obviously have tons of trouble walking! - shuffle back out into the night to put the cat in a pet motel.  Jesus, Traci.  And don't even get me started how she cannot even try to pretend that her supposed best friend is having baby.  I get that she's emotionally struggling with the fact that she hasn't gotten pregnant easily, but fuck, even I was very happy when each of my best friends got married even though I haven't yet.

 

Anyway... one last thing, about Briana's boyfriend:  I tried asking in her thread, but not sure if anyone read it since I didn't get an answer yet, so I'll try here since he was in this episode, too, and it's still driving me nuts.  Does anyone remember when MTV did a True Life special "I'm a Little Person" back in 2002?  Terra was one of the little people featured, but also in that episode was a blonde little person named Robyn.  Robyn was dating a guy the she met online and they showed her flying somewhere to go visit him.  I could almost swear that guy is the same person as Briana's boyfriend, Matt.  I looked all over the Internet for the full episode or his name, but I can't find it.  I just remember him looking a lot like this guy.  I tried asking Terra through Twitter, but got no response.  Personally, I don't question average sized guys dating little people, but if this is the same guy, I would HIGHLY question it.  It would send a red flag up for me that he has a fetish (and not to mention, he just so happens to date two little people who are on TV??). Suspect...

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If that is Lila's sister they just wouldn't be considered identical twins. Like the twins on Little People, Big World.

I hate to admit it but I probably would have been a Debbie Downer on the trip too. Camping is wayyyy too far out of my comfort zone. I think the ziplining would have been fun but I can see why Traci backed out. Briana really got tossed around hard. I don't think Terra was trying to be malicious but she really should have told them they were going camping. At least give them a choice.

That said..I'm not sure how much longer I'll be watching. I'm letting it annoy me too much, especially Christy. Plus there's too much fighting and arguing. I don't mind it up to a point but it's almost the whole episode.

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I'm over it after the comment at the restaurant tonight. How Lifetime can allow Tonya to call someone else a monkey a** - when the ACLU would be all over that show if it had been said in reverse is beyond me. Terra was wrong in not telling them they were camping - as stated above - diff. clothing and supplies would have been brought.

 

Tracy, who I use to like, is so much a Debbie downer and I no longer can stand her incessant whining. People say Christy stirs the pot - but Tonya and Terra do it just as much. I know tents are thin but to listen in like that was in poor taste and then admit to it was stupid. You just got done settling a previous argument, only to start a new one. They didn't like that Matt came - what's the big deal? They don't really socialize with him anyway - just like they didn't socialize with Leila. And if you can't stand Leila - why have Christy bring her along? She was with your man - I get that - as I'm jealous too - from what your man says - she's nuts ect.. - a reasonable person would have excluded her from any further engagements.

 

The show is just absurd now. Groups that can't stand each other, getting together every week with one purpose - put on a show and make money.  If you have a big fight with a neighbor every week about their dog pooping on your lawn - do you invite them over for BBQ's or on trips every week even though you're upset with them - no. If the neighbor continues to let the dog do his business on your lawn - you have nothing to do with him or contact the police who issue him a citation and that's a sure way to make sure he has nothing ever to do with you again.

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Why are we revisting the "monkey-ass" comment when its already been beat to death in the episode 7 conversation? The connotation differences have already been explained, but I see NOTHING at all was gained. Where's the anger and outrage at Terra for calling Lila a h*nky, a word for which there is only 1 connotation: an antiquated, but still pejorative term for white people?

This whole episode did take me out of it though, I agree. Way too much discord. LifeTime kind of disgusts me to be quite frank, constantly feeding the stereotype that women can not get along, are petty and fight all the time. LifeTime is supposed to be FOR women, supporting us, showing us in our true light, as sisters, coworkers, real and true friends, strong and brave, smart and loving. This has been a pattern for their reality shows lately, Dance Moms, Bring It, BAPs (early cancellation), and now this show and Big Women Big Love. It's like the He-Man Woman-Haters club from Lil' Rascals and NO MA'AM from Married with Children got together in a secret meeting decided "hey, you really know what would throw them for a loop?" and took over reality tv writing and producing for the primary women's programming channel. TL;DR LifeTime reality shows seem like a bunch of misogynists wrote and produced them.

ETA LIGirl I never saw the episode but I want to watch it in light of you mentioning Matt maybe being on it. It's seriously nonexistent, not on the MTV channel or any of the streaming sites, or even available for purchase as a DVD. Its like they poofed it from existence.

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Where's the anger and outrage at Terra for calling Lila a h*nky,

 

Don't even go there chacha, lest you need a reminder that its a-okay when rappers use the "N" word as slang or term of endearment toward black folks in their music or verbage, but God forbid if a white person even gets caught mouthing words to a song with the "N" word, they are automatically deemed racists.

 

Tonya showed bad form plain and simple. 

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...completely tangential argument I'm not going to entertain, as it his nothing to do woth LW:LA or anything any of them said.

Tonya showed bad form, I completely agree, as did Christy, Terra, Lila, and even Traci at the dinner, but there's a concentrated focus on Tonya's behavior as somehow worse than everyone elses when in reality, theyre all very dramatic, argumentative chickens.

Tonya's issue, IMO is coming to Terra's defense way more than Terra would ever come to hers. Last season when the whole meltdown between Elena and Tonya happened over Elena telling Tonya's ex she was seeing someone else, Terra made no attempt to "prop up" her friend or defend her. In fact, IIRC she said Tonya was wrong for being upset with Elena. However, every argument Terra has, she expects "The T's" to come to her defense, like theyre her flunkies. Tonya always takes the bait, while Traci sometimes does. In their eyes, they probably think theyre being good friends, when in reality they're being manipulated. Tonya is guilty of being too quick to always come to Terra's aid and not letting her fight her own battles.

Independent of Christy and Terra, Elena, Tonya, Traci and Briana are pretty milquetoast, passive "characters". Its only when forced to choose sides in the fights more often than not caused by Christy or Terra do they start unraveling at the seams.

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I'll  have to go back to the last episode thread as I didn't participate in a discussion concerning the term monkey a** . You and I had a go around on the word "heifer". I do agree with the statement of Lifetime making this a pattern of their reality shows.

 

But even if the ma comment was discussed last episode - new posters come here all the time and have every right to discuss it.


My bad - you and I did discuss it - but that doesn't mean others may want to chime in now that they've seen the episode and the situation surrounding it's use.

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Leila? Lyla? Lila? However you spell her name. Is over the top, but I think it's intentional on her part. Maybe, at this point, she was 'auditioning' for Little Women: NY? So, she did the most to get a spot on that show. I could see whoever is behind Little Women: LA approaching her with the idea of her being the center of the NY franchise. LOL. Franchise. That might be interesting.

 

Tonya seemed pretty worked up at dinner. That appears real to me. Her calling crazy eyes 'monkey ass', and have that tossed back at her was my very own "Oh." moment! I think Leila is acting more so than the others. Aside from Christy stirring the pot, and others reacting to her, there doesn't seem to be much going on for these group of women. 

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The past few episodes--actually, the whole season--remind me of that old saying, "With friends like those, who needs enemies?" Seriously, these women are friends? The constant bickering is getting old. They are always screaming at each other or trashing each other in their THs, then they all get together for a BBQ or trip to Catalina? Ooookay...

 

Just read upthread that there's going to be a Little Women: NY, featuring Lila. I was wondering why she suddenly popped up on this show as an old friend of Christy's/ex of Joe's, now I realize it was to promote the East Coast show. I've already had enough of catty little women, so I think I'll skip the NY version.

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I'm new to this show as of four episodes ago.  I find that who I like/dislike varies not only episode to episode, but commercial to commercial.  I've never had such a hard time deciding if I like people.

 

I don't get how this Joe guy is Casanova with two women fighting over him.  And now he's in a commercial?  The guy can barely stand upright from what I've seen.  After referring to Lila as "someone I fucked for a month" and apparently calling her a "receptacle", there's no redeeming him in my eyes.  And the fact that Terra and Tonya enjoy these misogynistic terms and add to them by calling her a "ho" makes it difficult for me to like them.  And for Joe to goad someone into a physical confrontation and then allow someone else to fight his battle proved he's a good match for his baby mama.

 

Tonya really irritated me this episode.  She is such an attack dog and she was relentless with her attack on Lila.  Having said that, Lila took it in a racist direction - and she knew she did.  And when she started mocking Tonya's gestures and words, well that definitely bordered on racism as well.  So as much as I disliked Tonya in this situation, I feel Lila came off worse.

 

I've done a precursory search to find out more about these people, but didn't come up with much.  None of them really seem to work.  How do they support themselves in such an expensive city?  They couldn't survive on only what Lifetime pays.

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If that is Lila's sister they just wouldn't be considered identical twins. Like the twins on Little People, Big World.

Yes, I realize that, WickedTuna; I know a little person can have an average height twin.  I just meant that sometimes people list friends as siblings on Facebook and/or call someone their "twin" because they look so much alike when neither is the case (and whether this is the case for Lila, who knows.  It doesn't matter to me either way, though).

 

I get that Lila could totally be playing up her personality to the cameras as a way to create drama and get herself a solid spot on the NY spinoff, but to me, it comes across as trying way too hard.  Annoying.

 

Speaking of Lila, that is, in fact, how her name is spelled.  The correct spelling of all of the cast members are Terra, Christy, Tonya, Elena, Briana, and Traci (and Lila, like I said).  Just making sure we're all on the same page.  :)

I agree with those of you who said the constant bickering is getting more than tiresome.  Perhaps Christy's shit stirring is also being played up for the cameras to add drama and so that she always feels like she has a solid spot for any future seasons, but if it's not, Jesus... what a pain in the ass she'd be as a "real life" friend!  I know "reality television" is pretty much a misnomer these days, but seriously, no group of friends who fight this much would constantly try to hang out together.  Forcing this for ratings is ridiculous.

 

Does anyone know what Elena's husband does for work?  Unless Lifetime paid for her surgery, I wonder how well off he is.  I mean, he didn't even seem to blink when she said she wanted the butt surgery.  Obviously that would not be covered by her insurance, so I'd imagine that would have been a pretty penny he forked over and he didn't even think twice about it financially.

 

It seems that Traci doesn't have a whole hell of a lot going on other than the fertility problem storyline, so how much can she continue bringing to the table, especially if she's such a passive person or a stick in the mud about things?  I can't see her lasting too much longer on the show.  She seems over all of the fighting, too.  Just go live happily ever after with Erik and your cute father-in-law, Traci.

 

ETA LIGirl I never saw the episode but I want to watch it in light of you mentioning Matt maybe being on it. It's seriously nonexistent, not on the MTV channel or any of the streaming sites, or even available for purchase as a DVD. Its like they poofed it from existence.

 

Odd, right, ChaChaSlide?  This really is going to continue bugging the crap out of me.  Maybe I can try asking Terra again through Twitter.

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Yesssss, DanaMB! I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed and it irks the crap out of me. I can't pay attention to anything else but her mouth, especially in her TH's.  It's almost like she's got that weird jaw thing going on that crack addicts often have when they speak.  Not that I'm saying she's a crackhead or anything, of course.

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Terra seems to have a major case of arrested development.  No 30+ year old woman should resort to unprovoked name-calling when engaged in a verbal disagreement and using the outdated, overexposed term "ho" only reeks of a sad desperation to appear younger than her years.  It's also off-putting that she's incapable of graciously accepting an apology and has to make every little thing into a major, attention-seeking issue. Her lack of self-awareness is truly pathetic.  

 

Her little friend Tonya needs to learn that getting into someone's personal space is not cool and kudos to Lila for not falling for that sad form of intimidation. I'm not a fan of Lila but at least she was able to walk away. Tonya really needs to drop the Little Boss persona because one of these days, someone is going to punt her behind into the next galaxy.

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Tonya is a shit talker. Remember how she was assuring Elena that she would kick her ass and Elena disagreed? I think she's the sort who wants people to think she's a badass, when in fact she's just hot air, and apparently bad breath. I suspect Elena could kick her ass.

This fighting is ridiculous. Terra is an idiot.

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I'm actually going to tune into Little Women NY to see if I can stomach those characters more than these. I too liked Lila - her lack of embarrassment interests me. I also like Christy and Brianna. I did like Elana - but she seems more quiet this season as she's in the group with big personalities. I just don't understand her thinking that the bullying is OK unless she is so insecure that she'll accept it to be part of the mean girls club. Again Tracy is another one that I don't understand. For someone so straight laced to team up with Tonya and Terra - I don't get it.

 

I'm bummed that the one I really liked last season, Tonya, has turned into such a bully this season. I admired her because she was strong, funny and obviously made it in a world that's tough on regular size people. She raised her daughter alone - has a beautiful house - so she's done well for herself - but this year she comes off as that tough girl from the wrong side of the tracks that only seems empowered when she's attacking someone.

 

Joe's comment about Lila (did I get that right!) was really cruel. But before she found out she was pregnant - I thought that was the way he looked as Terra - the girl who would always be waiting back in the corner for him after he got done fooling around. People talk about Christy and Todd being poor parents - but I see redeeming qualities in both of them while I don't in Joe and Terra. There still doesn't seem to be the love that is exhibited by Christy/Todd, Elana/Preston and Brianna/Matt and a baby won't give them that.

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Yes, I realize that, WickedTuna; I know a little person can have an average height twin.  I just meant that sometimes people list friends as siblings on Facebook and/or call someone their "twin" because they look so much alike when neither is the case (and whether this is the case for Lila, who knows.  It doesn't matter to me either way, though)

Um ok LIGirl. I just misunderstood your comment.

I'm still having nightmares about Lila waving around that vibrator. And it was not once but twice -shudders- I too looked around for some info on the NY cast but dIdn't find much at all. I did see where one of them was on some show called Britain's Ugliest Models.

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Okay why are these women friends, seriously there are two separate groups and it makes no sense that they hang out since they obviously can't stand each other. When Lila asked if she could come, Terra should have politely said that she wouldn't be comfortable given her history with Joe. Also I totally believe Lila recently texted Joe vs the 2 years ago bull she gave Christy. Speaking of Christy she hit the nail on the head, her and Terra are two sides of the same coin.

I agreed with Tonya, Lila is a fake BUT Tonya behaved very badly, however I do think she may have been a bit tipsy.

Traci is such a Debbie downer, I feel like she has a permanent frown on her face. I would get tired of hanging out of someone like that, also I highly doubt that Christy is copying you with the IVF.

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I'm over it after the comment at the restaurant tonight. How Lifetime can allow Tonya to call someone else a monkey a** - when the ACLU would be all over that show if it had been said in reverse is beyond me. Terra was wrong in not telling them they were camping - as stated above - diff. clothing and supplies would have been brought.

There is a huge difference between Tonya calling a white person a monkey ass and Lila calling a black person a monkey ass. There is no comparison. Much like there is no such thing as "whiteface." I think Tonya could have chosen her words better, but she probably got too worked up with Lila nastily mocking her speech. What an unpleasant woman.

Did the zipline people not know what they were doing or was it the zipliners themselves? How did Tracy get tossed around like that? And Tonya floating backwards on the line.

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I saw the same thing in Vegas on the zipline downtown. Sometimes a person is too light or doesn't have the momentum to get to the other side and they slide backwards, then one of the crew have to go out and bring them back.

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I absolutely cannot stand Traci and her negative attitude.  Plus, she doesn't have exclusive rights to IVF!

 

Terra absolutely does look to Tonya for back-up whenever she is confronted.  However, I felt the attack on Elena was unfair.  i know it was probably her audition for her own show, but it made Lila look bad.

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Also one more thing, why all the makeup. If I'm camping and going ziplining I'm not gonna put on a full face. I mean nothing wrong with some foundation and lipstick but to see Terra trying to put on a lash and the other applying mascara...

Anyway to each his own.

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Did the zipline people not know what they were doing or was it the zipliners themselves? How did Tracy get tossed around like that? And Tonya floating backwards on the line.

 

Briana was the one who got tossed around, which made Tracy back out. 

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There is a huge difference between Tonya calling a white person a monkey ass and Lila calling a black person a monkey ass.

I agree that there is definitely a different connotation. That being said, I will venture to say that no one should be calling anyone a monkey anything. Tonya is a grown woman and for her to call Lila that is sad and pathetic. I have never called another adult a name, never. It's not that hard to not resort to that. I liked Tonya but now I find her disgusting.

Terra is a loser. She is trying really hard to BE Elena. I think she is so jealous of her, she is now trying to become her.

Tracy has a perma-bitchface. She's never happy, and she must really suck the energy out of the room.

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