Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

[LeighAn]

40 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

That's a pretty nice introductory platform for Black Lightning.  I hope it unexpectedly wallops The Flash in ratings.  But I suppose it's too much to hope it could be a sleeper hit like Empire, lol. 

Of those expected to attend, most on that list make sense to me but I wonder why Danielle Panabaker is on that list.  I like her well enough but she seems like one of the things that is not like the others.  

If Black Lightning does better then The Flash that'd be amazing. Unfortunately I don't think the CW have put the same amount of energy into promoting it. 

[BkWurm1]

2 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

If Black Lightning does better then The Flash that'd be amazing. Unfortunately I don't think the CW have put the same amount of energy into promoting it. 

So far I've only seen it promoted on the CW itself.  So yeah, so far, they haven't done a lot of promoting, but maybe they will ramp that up.  Tying it to this event makes me hopeful they have a few ideas at least.  

[Starfish35]

Ryan Reynolds Trolls With Photo of Deadpool Getting Kicked Out of Disney Park

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Deadpool was looking to cause a little trouble this morning following Disney's announcement that it was acquiring his studio, 21st Century Fox. 

Ryan Reynolds shared a photo of Deadpool getting escorted out of a Disney park by security, after his character apparently acted in a way not becoming of a Disney guest. Reynolds captioned the photo this way: "Apparently you can’t actually blow the Matterhorn." (Read into that what you will.) The image is from artist Mutant 101.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Starfish35
Adding image

[Starfish35]

Thought this Vulture article was interesting.  It's very long and there's a lot there. 

What Will the Disney–Fox Merger Mean for Superheroes?

[tv echo]

From the Deadline article posted upthread (on page 453):

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The event, which takes place Friday, January 12 and Saturday, January 13, will explore the intersection of comic books, culture, entertainment and enlightenment through a series of panel discussions open to the public.

Overheard inside emergency WB/DC/CW meeting a couple days after Variety published its Nov. 10th Andrew Kreisberg sexual harassment article...

WB Top Brass: I want suggestions on how we control this damage! And I want those suggestions now!

Greg Berlanti: I agree. This is really damaging my brand. I pride myself on the inclusivity and diversity of my shows. I've even gotten awards for it! I got the Family Equality Council Impact Award. I got the Brandon Tartikoff Legacy Award. I got -

Mark Pedowitz: Yes, yes, Greg, we know you're great. Back to the problem at hand.

PR Guy: Well, we got Black Lightning debuting in January....

WB Top Brass: That doesn't help us with this f**kin' Kreisberg problem. He was accused of sexual harassment, not racism.

Geoff Johns: If you had stuck to the comics, we wouldn't have this problem.

GB: What the hell does that have to do with anything we're talking about? And you okayed everything!

MP: Geoff, your comics record isn't that great either. The name "Eddie Berganza" ring a bell?

PR Guy: Hey, we've been talking about we're holding this big public event premiering Black Lightning in January, like on MLK weekend. How about we also show off the actresses on our shows? Two birds, one stone.

GB: I like it. We should also include Russell Tovey's The Ray to highlight our gender identity diversity. 

GJ: We can also use it to celebrate how comics have brought enlightenment to the world.

MP: I like it too. Make sure to include all of our DC TV shows, including Gotham.

WB Top Brass: That's brilliant. I love it. Four birds, one stone. Do it.

Edited December 17, 2017 by tv echo

[quarks]

Heh.

In all semi-fairness to the WB, though, this particular event was in the words by at least September, when a set of invites went out.  Planning for it presumably started well before then. 

[tv echo]

More media coverage of the "DC in D.C." event...

DC Comics Is Celebrating Its TV Universe In An Awesome Way
December 14, 2017
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1744560/dc-comics-is-celebrating-its-tv-universe-in-an-awesome-way

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One such panel will be called "Wonder Women," and it will focus heavily on the female-influences in DC television, which should be a perfect celebration of the box office win of Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman over the summer. Another panel will focus specifically on the inclusion of LGBT characters in DC superhero series (such as Curtis Holt and Sara Lance), and the importance of putting a spotlight on those demographics in pop culture.

Politics and Pop Culture Collide At 'DC in D.C.' Event Next Month
DECEMBER 14, 2017 4:00pm PT by Graeme McMillan
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/politics-pop-culture-collide-at-dc-dc-event-next-month-1068065

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Panels planned for the weekend include discussions about race and DC heroes (“The Many Shades of Heroism,” with John Ridley, Alice Randall and Black Lightning’s Cress Williams speaking), LGBTQ inclusion (“The Pride of DC,” including comic writers Marguerite Bennett, Steve Orlando and Mark Russell alongside Arrow show runner Greg Berlanti) and post-traumatic stress disorder (“The Aftermath,” led by Mister Miracle comic writer Tom King).

Edited December 15, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

The Arrowverse's 10 Best Star Wars References
By JENNA ANDERSON - December 14, 2017
http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/12/13/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-star-wars-easter-eggs/

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SLIDE 5/10 – PRIDE & PADAWANS
...
During "Going Rogue", Iris (Candice Patton), Eddie (Rick Cosnett), Barry, and Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) -- in a double date set up that might even more awkward now -- decided to participate in a trivia night at Jitters. At one point, Eddie accidentally answered a Star Wars-themed question incorrectly, and the group tried to console him. But as Felicity pointed out, the other group - named "Pride & Padawans" - probably got it right, before panning over to a group of four Star Wars cosplayers.

Again, this is probably one of the more overt references, but it's still pretty charming. It also raises a pretty big question: does anyone in Central City realize that one of their domestic terrorists looks exactly like Luke Skywalker?
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SLIDE 6/10 – THAT 'ARROW' SPACESHIP FIGHT SCENE
...
Yes, Arrow - the show that has attempted to be the most "grounded" of the Arrowverse - had a pretty massive Star Wars homage last season.
...
Ultimately, Oliver and company found a way to escape, trying to return home through a pod on the Dominator ship. The Dominators quickly realized what was going on, and sent a battalion of ships after the pod. What followed was a high octane, space-hopping fight scene - something that felt right out of Star Wars.

SLIDE 1/10 – MAISIE RICHARDSON-SELLERS
SLIDE 2/10 – MARK HAMILL
SLIDE 3/10 – "I AM YOUR FATHER."
SLIDE 4/10 – TIME-JUMPING OUT OF THE BUILDING
SLIDE 5/10 – PRIDE & PADAWANS
SLIDE 6/10 – THAT 'ARROW' SPACESHIP FIGHT SCENE
SLIDE 7/10 – KEEP CALM AND HAN SHOT FIRST
SLIDE 8/10 – LIFE DAY
SLIDE 9/10 – CISCO'S ANAKIN SPEECH
SLIDE 10/10 – ALL OF "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ART"

Edited December 15, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Turns Out Wentworth Miller Might Not Be Done With The Arrow-verse After All
BY MICK JOEST   December 14, 2017
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1744420/turns-out-wentworth-miller-might-not-be-done-with-the-arrow-verse-after-all

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For now, that seems to be the end of Leonard Snart on any Arrow-verse show, but there's reason to stay hopeful. While he made no explicit promises to fans at the German Comic-Con in Dortmund, Wentworth Miller did say that he will "never say never," to coming back to The Flash or Legends of Tomorrow in the future. Miller explained why, and what it would take, as he doted on his love for the entire experience of being on both shows below:

"I will never say never because I do enjoy these characters so much. I have a lot of affection for the cast and its a really hard working crew. I enjoy working in Vancouver so there are many reasons to come back, it just has to be the right story. So far I think we've done a really good job of exploring all of who Leonard Snart is and his various incarnations. If the powers that be can prove to me that there's more story there that's worth telling, I'll certainly consider it."

WENTWORTH MILLER PANEL - 10-12-2017 German Comic Con Dortmund (complete and hd)
Published on Dec 12, 2017, by Diamondust Creations

Edited December 15, 2017 by tv echo

[Velocity23]

DCTV shows are on filming hiatus:

- Supergirl (8th December till 3rd January)

- Arrow (15th December till 2nd January)

- Flash (16th December till 2nd January)

- LOT (18th December till 3rd January)

http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2017/12/holiday-hiatus-supergirl-arrow-the-good-doctor-the-flash-more-on-filming-hiatus-from-vancouver.html

[lemotomato]

So the whole fuss about the Supergirl's "extended filming hiatus" was over one extra week? 

[scarynikki12]

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

Turns Out Wentworth Miller Might Not Be Done With The Arrow-verse After All
BY MICK JOEST   December 14, 2017
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1744420/turns-out-wentworth-miller-might-not-be-done-with-the-arrow-verse-after-all

WENTWORTH MILLER PANEL - 10-12-2017 German Comic Con Dortmund (complete and hd)
Published on Dec 12, 2017, by Diamondust Creations

 

Good. Then LOT can bring him back in the final season: he has sexytimes with Sara (what?), and rides off into the sunset with Mick to have anti-hero shenanigans.

[Miss Dee]

3 hours ago, tv echo said:

Turns Out Wentworth Miller Might Not Be Done With The Arrow-verse After All
BY MICK JOEST   December 14, 2017
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1744420/turns-out-wentworth-miller-might-not-be-done-with-the-arrow-verse-after-all

WENTWORTH MILLER PANEL - 10-12-2017 German Comic Con Dortmund (complete and hd)
Published on Dec 12, 2017, by Diamondust Creations

 

WENTWORTH MILLER SHOWING UP ON THE RAY CONFIRMED!!!

Ok, maybe not...but of all the ways to entice him back into the Arrowverse I can see that being the most attractive option for him. Just a little bit of voice work, which is not really all that time-intensive and shouldn't interfere too much with other projects he wants to do; plus it's a chance to show the beginnings and culmination of a male/male romance that was really well received by both critics and the fandom during Crisis, and I can see that being really dear to his heart and something he'd want to foster and encourage.

[Primal Slayer]

Hawk & Dove.

[BkWurm1]

The cheese factor is high.  Maybe they should have gone further away from the comic for inspiration.

[Mellowyellow]

Is that Hawkman and Hawk girl or someone else?

[Primal Slayer]

Hawk and Dove.

I think Hawk looks great but Dove has that awful mask, awful wig, and the cape looks stiff as hell. 

[tofutan]

BBC Radio Interview with Amy Jackson (Saturn Girl)

She talks about fan reception, her character's powers and getting to do flying scenes. 

12 hours ago, lemotomato said:

So the whole fuss about the Supergirl's "extended filming hiatus" was over one extra week? 

No, that paparazzi guy from twitter still insists that it's all a lie and they will start filming much later and not in January. 

[Morrigan2575]

I started watching this video last night and they mentioned Geoff Johns got demoted due to the JL Box Office Results.

[tv echo]

Source link for Hawk & Dove pic...

FIRST LOOK PHOTO: LIVE-ACTION HAWK AND DOVE FROM DC’S TITANS!
DECEMBER 15, 2017 NIGHTWING
http://titanstv.net/first-look-photo-live-action-hawk-and-dove-from-dcs-titans/

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Warner Bros. Television has released a first-look photo at two more characters from the upcoming Titans live-action series for the DC Comics streaming service!

This time the spotlight falls on Hawk (Hank Hall, as played by Alan Ritchson) and Dove (Dawn Granger, as played by Minka Kelly), with suits designed by Laura Jean Shannon (Black Lightning, Iron Man, The Jungle Book).

Edited December 16, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

I want to emphasize that these "winners" are Natalie Abrams & Kyle Anderson's personal picks (once you hear the nominees in each category, you can almost predict the winner, especially if you've been following Natalie's tweets/articles and past podcasts)...

Entertainment Weekly - Superhero Insider Awards of 2017 (Fall Season)
December 15, 2017   Kyle Anderson and Natalie Abrams

-- Natalie & Kyle handed out their Superhero Insider Awards for 2017 ("fall awards for the Arrowverse"). 

-- Their Best Newcomer winner is Sam/Reign. Nominees were Zari, Ralph Dibney, M'yrnn J'onzz, Sam/Reign, and Ava Sharp.

-- Their Best Sidekick winner is Alex Danvers. Nominees were Killer Frost, Alex Danvers, Dinah/BC, and "PuppetStein."

-- Their Best Major Villain winner is Reign. Nominees were The Thinker, Cayden James, Reign, and Mallus.

-- Their Best Secondary Villain winner is Amunet Black. Nominees were Amunet Black, Morgan Edge, Black Siren, and Damian Dahrk. 

-- Their Best Fight winner is Crisis on Earth-X wedding fight. Nominees were Supergirl vs. Reign, Crisis on Earth-X wedding fight, and Crisis on Earth-X final battle.

-- Their Best Couple winner is Leo & The Ray on Crisis on Earth-X. Nominees were Alex & Sara on Crisis on Earth-X, Leo & The Ray on Crisis on Earth-X , Oliver & Felicity, and Barry & Iris both on The Flash and on Crisis on Earth-X.  Natalie also gave an "honorable mention" to Alex & Maggie.

-- Their Best Tech winner is Barry's inflatable suit. Nominees were Diggle's crossbow, Barry's inflatable suit, J'onn J'onzz's classic car spaceship, and the Legends' memory eraser.

-- Their Best Hero Tandem winner is Felicity & Iris. Nominees were Sara & Ava, Diggle & Dinah, Felicity & Iris, Alex & Kara, and Lena & Sam.

-- Their Best Heroic Moment winner is Stein on Crisis on Earth-X. Nominees were Stein on Crisis on Earth-X, Alex & Sara on Crisis on Earth-X, Diggle suiting up as Green Arrow, and Felicity & Iris saving the day both on The Flash and on Crisis on Earth-X.*

(* tv echo: I agree with this winner, but I would've also included among the nominees Felicity protecting Kara from Dark Arrow on Crisis on Earth-X.)

-- Their Best Cliffhanger (Fall Finale) winner is Barry being framed for murder. Nominees were Team Arrow disbanding, Kara getting pummeled by Reign, Barry being framed for murder, and Jax' departure.

-- Their Best Hour on Crisis on Earth-X winner is Hour 1 (Supergirl).

-- Their Best Episode of LoT winner is "Phone Home". Nominees were "Aruba-Con", "Zari", "Phone Home", and "Beebo the God of War". They also said that LoT's MVP of the fall season was Dominic Purcell.

-- Their Best Episode of Supergirl winner is "Midvale". Nominees were "Girl of Steel", "Midvale", "The Faithful", and "Damage". They also said that Supergirl's MVP of the fall season was Melissa Benoist.

-- Their Best Episode of Flash winner is "Girls' Night Out". Nominees were "The Flash Reborn", "Mixed Signals", "Elongated Journey Into Night", and "Girls' Night Out". They also said that The Flash's MVP of the fall season was Candice Patton.

-- Their Best Episode of Arrow winner is "Fallout". Nominees were "Promises Kept", "Reversal", "Fallout", and "Tribute". They also said that Arrow's MVP of the fall season was David Ramsey.

Edited December 17, 2017 by tv echo

[Velocity23]

DVR numbers for crossover episodes:

Flash 1.7  4.641 mil viewers

LOT 1.7 4.618 mil viewers

Arrow 1.7 4.14 mil viewers

Supergirl 1.6  4.430 mil viewers

[quarks]

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Their Best Newcomer winner is Sam/Reign. Nominees were Zari, Ralph Dibney, Myron Jones, Sam/Reign, and Ava Sharp.

Yeah, no. Ralph Dibney is the hands down Worst Newcomer.  Along with Worst Ever Character, and Worst Ever Use of Screentime in an Arrowverse Show, and Most Annoying Character, and...

....I may have just a small issue with Ralph. 

[tv echo]

From yesterday...

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minkakelly Hawk is the avatar of war. 
His powers are of super strength, unlimited stamina, enhanced speed, increased agility and extreme durability. 
His partner Dove suppresses his violent nature, and without her his rage becomes boundless. 
Dove is the avatar of peace and order. 
Her powers are enhanced agility, can withstand physical punishment, heal quickly and her perceptions are heightened to their fullest extent.
Despite being the avatar of peace, she is not averse to violence. 
However, in her battles she retains a cooler mind and seeks to find more peaceful solutions as opposed to her partner.
Also, holy shit I’m excited. 
#Titans #HawkandDove ??

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcu64flgy1N/?hl=en&taken-by=minkakelly

[catrox14]

24 minutes ago, quarks said:

Yeah, no. Ralph Dibney is the hands down Worst Newcomer.  Along with Worst Ever Character, and Worst Ever Use of Screentime in an Arrowverse Show, and Most Annoying Character, and...

....I may have just a small issue with Ralph. 

You had me at Ralph Dibney is the hands down Worst

[GHScorpiosRule]

So, the wooden actor who played Aquaman on Smallville is now playing Hawk? And since my knowledge of Hawk and Dove is only from Justice League Unlimited, where those two were brothers, played by Fred Savage (Hawk) and Jay what’shisface (Dove), who played brothers on The Wonder Years.”

Was it the FUCKED UP AND WILL FOREVERHAVEMYHAAAATE “Neeew” 52, that switched genders for Dove???

[Primal Slayer]

No, Dawn Granger has been around since 1988. They killed off Hawks brother and decided to replace him with a female partner. Over the years they've flipped flopped between the two brothers, these 2, Dawn and her sister.

[legaleagle53]

On 12/15/2017 at 10:38 AM, scarynikki12 said:

Good. Then LOT can bring him back in the final season: he has sexytimes with Sara (what?), and rides off into the sunset with Mick to have anti-hero shenanigans.

He's already got a boyfriend/husband on Earth-X, remember?

[catrox14]

On 12/15/2017 at 9:38 AM, scarynikki12 said:

Good. Then LOT can bring him back in the final season: he has sexytimes with Sara (what?), and rides off into the sunset with Mick to have anti-hero shenanigans.

But what about his boyfriend/husband on Earth X?  They need to bring him into LoT.

[Miss Dee]

I love how we're all invested in the future of ColdRay after approximately ten minutes of screen time. That's chemistry.

Edited December 17, 2017 by Miss Dee

[scarynikki12]

2 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

He's already got a boyfriend/husband on Earth-X, remember?

Leo does, Snart doesn't.  I'm talking about Earth 1 Snart who sacrificed himself at the end of season 1 and had a major crush on Sara.  They bring him back, he has the sexytimes, and then goes off anti-heroing. 

[tv echo]

Five Scenes That Made Shippers' Hearts Soar in 2017
Jen McDonnell  December 16, 2017 
http://www.dose.ca/2017/12/16/five-scenes-made-shippers-hearts-soar-2017

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Olicity: Oliver Queen & Felicity Smoak, Arrow/WestAllen: Barry Allen & Iris West, The Flash
This year’s CW superhero crossover treated fans two a two-fer when it came to happily ever afters. When Nazis interrupted Barry and Iris’ ceremony (don’t ask), the pair decided to skip the vows and just head to a justice of the peace instead. But Felicity and Oliver suggested their friends have an impromptu wedding in a park, which was then followed by their own impromptu nuptials. It was cute, comic book-y and quirky – which perfectly sums up both couples. (And don’t come at me with that noise about how Felicity was rude for interrupting Iris’ moment; the park wedding wouldn’t have even happened without Felicity’s suggestion, and Barry and Iris’ real wedding was already interrupted – BY NAZIS. Blame them instead.)

Peraltiago: Jake and Amy on Brooklyn Nine-Nine
Bughead: Betty Cooper & Jughead Jones, Riverdale
Olicity: Oliver Queen & Felicity Smoak, Arrow/WestAllen: Barry Allen & Iris West, The Flash
Malec: Magnus Bane & Alec Lightwood, Shadowhunters
Kastle: Frank and Karen, The Punisher

Edited December 17, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Current rankings - Marvel's Agents of SHIELD is at #17, Gotham is at #18, DC's Legends of Tomorrow is at #51, Arrow is at #60, The Flash is at #70, Supergirl is at #74, and Marvel's Inhumans is at #75...

Viewer Votes Ranking for the 2017-18 TV Shows
Published: December 16, 2017
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/viewer-votes-ranking-2017-18-tv-shows/

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For now, network TV series typically live and die by their Nielsen ratings. Since most fans do not live in Nielsen households however, the average person’s preferences aren’t taken into account, and that is frustrating. While we can’t change the system, we want to give you an outlet for your opinions, so we invite you to vote for your favorite and least favorite TV show episodes here. Which network programs are the best or the worst? If it were up to you, which TV series would be cancelled and renewed? .

Edited December 17, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Sexual Harassment Charges Challenge Behavior Standards in Writers Rooms
By Daniel Holloway  December 13, 2017
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/sexual-harassment-writers-rooms-1202637953/

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Television writers rooms are not like most workplaces. They’re creative spaces where people — many of whom gravitated toward the field because they blanched at thoughts of working straight jobs — spitball freely and rely on the group to police bad ideas. Intimate personal stories are often shared. Behavior that would not be tolerated elsewhere is given a pass, to the purported benefit of the final product.

That idea is being challenged by the sexual harassment and assault allegations engulfing Hollywood. In November, two seasoned showrunners were fired or suspended from their series after being accused of misconduct by multiple women who worked for them. Among the allegations made against Mark Schwahn in a Variety report about his time on Warner Bros. drama “One Tree Hill” was that he forced a female writer’s head between her knees and balanced a soda can on it while making a joke about her ability to perform oral sex. “Flash” and “Arrow” EP Andrew Kreisberg responded to an allegation made in a Variety story that he asked a female employee to lie on his office floor while he assumed a push-up stance over her, saying, “It is not uncommon in writers rooms that we act out what we want production to film.”
*  *  *
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone in a writers room turn to everyone and say, ‘Are we comfortable with this sense of humor that we’re doing right now? This might be a rough room. Are you all game? Is there anyone here who is offended and having a hard time being here?’” says “Love” and “Crashing” executive producer Judd Apatow. “Maybe those conversations will happen now.”

In 2006, the California State Supreme Court threw out a lawsuit by a former “Friends” writers assistant who claimed that she had been sexually harassed in the writers room, having been present as male writers discussed vulgar sexual themes regarding the show’s characters. Justice Martin R. Baxter wrote that the state “does not outlaw sexually coarse and vulgar language or conduct that merely offends,” noting that “the ‘Friends’ production was a creative workplace focused on generating scripts for an adult-oriented comedy show featuring sexual themes.”

The ruling remains famous in television-industry circles. Many viewed it as establishing writers rooms as spaces exempt from normal workplace standards.
*  *  *
“I think that the conversation that’s happening now is really essential to women being able to say, ‘Here’s what I will stand for and here’s what I won’t stand for’ in a way that was certainly difficult to be able to do, certainly at the beginning of my career,” says [“One Day at a Time” executive producer Gloria] Calderon Kellett. Young female writers “are just happy to get the job. You’re one of the few women there. You don’t want to say anything or do anything so that you’re not the woman there any more.”

She adds: “I’ve been around when the boys were being stupid and I’ve just tried to ignore it. But now that I’m in charge, I don’t have to put up with shit.”
*  *  *
As the number of shows on television has increased, so too has the number of female showrunners. But growth in percentage representation for female writers has been slow — and sometimes nonexistent. UCLA’s 2017 Hollywood Diversity Report found the share of female writing credits in cable and broadcast TV up only 3% in the 2014-15 season from two years earlier. But the same study found that the percentage of female cable and broadcast series creators had fallen slightly in 2014-15 from 2011-12.

Holly Sorensen, creator of YouTube Red’s “Step Up: High Water,” says that concern over workplace harassment doesn’t come up in conversations with other female showrunners. But “it comes up with every other TV writer,” she says. “For women who run rooms, it’s not even an issue. But I know a lot of men are nervous right now. And it’s a confusing time.”
*  *  *
“Power” creator Courtney Kemp differentiates between what goes on in the writers room and what happens outside it in the larger production office.

“I think that it’s about the culture of the building and not the room itself,” she says. “The writers room itself should be as anything goes as it can, because it fosters creativity. But when you start to have a campaign against one person or you start to make it so that people feel unsafe, that transcends the actual writers room space — that becomes an office or a cultural thing.”

Kemp warns against trying to change the culture inside writers rooms as Hollywood examines workplace behavior. “I don’t think that writers rooms themselves are going to be able to change without the quality of the work changing too,” she says. “I do think there are plenty of writers rooms in town where people are not abused and people have a good time. I know a lot of people who like their jobs. They can be really fun.” The broader problem, she adds, is the industry’s “culture of abuse” that extends beyond gender and sexuality. “It’s much more pervasive than that. We’re looking at one thing, because it’s salacious.”

But as more women in television step forward with claims of harassment and assault, what passes as acceptable behavior in a writers room is being questioned. And the answers are not yet evident.

Edited December 17, 2017 by tv echo

[Starfish35]

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

Current rankings - Marvel's Agents of SHIELD is at #17, Gotham is at #18, DC's Legends of Tomorrow is at #51, Arrow is at #60, The Flash is at #70, Supergirl is at #74, and Marvel's Inhumans is at #75...

Viewer Votes Ranking for the 2017-18 TV Shows
Published: December 16, 2017
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/viewer-votes-ranking-2017-18-tv-shows/

That's an interesting one.  You rate each individual episode, not just the show.

[KirkB]

I'm not as familiar with the Titans as I am some DC properties. And this isn't so much a quibble as a point of curiosity. But as far as I am aware (and I freely admit I may be mistaken) neither Nightwing or Hawk&Dove were ever a part of the Titans, Teen or otherwise. I know one of the Robins, not Dick Grayson, was.

Edited December 17, 2017 by KirkB
Punctuation is my friend.

[Primal Slayer]

59 minutes ago, KirkB said:

I'm not as familiar with the Titans as I am some DC properties. And this isn't so much a quibble as a point of curiosity. But as far as I am aware (and I freely admit I may be mistaken) neither Nightwing or Hawk&Dove were ever a part of the Titans, Teen or otherwise. I know one of the Robins, not Dick Grayson, was.

Dick Grayson (along with Roy) originated the Teen Titans and The Titans. 

Dick however was not part of Young Justice until the animated series stole it from Tim.

[Wishing Well]

Just watched Star Wars, TLJ.  It's weird to think that when TFA came out, Legends still hadn't premiered.  So this was the first SW movie I've watched since LOT.

 

Yeah...I can't look at the Millenium Falcon without see the Waverider anymore.

[Miss Dee]

I wonder if the Falcon also only has one bathroom....

[KirkB]

Probably, and you don't want to be in it after Chewbacca.

[tv echo]

The Updated Multiverse Map of The Arrowverse
By NICOLE DRUM - December 16, 2017
http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/12/17/updated-map-of-multiverse-arrowverse/ 

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SLIDE 1/12 – EARTH-1
...
The default Earth for The CW, Earth-1 is the home of The Flash, Arrow, and DC's Legends of Tomorrow. This Earth, which is roughly analogous to our real world, is also the home of CW Seed's Vixen and thanks to in-continuity appearances of John Constantine on both Arrow in previous seasons and Legends this season, may also contain the now-defunct Constantine. New this year to our list of information about Earth-1 is that Earth-2's Laurel Lance/Black Siren has made Earth-1 her home while another CW Seed series, Freedom Fighters: The Ray, sees Earth-1's Ray Terrill go to Earth-X to fight Nazis.
*  *  *
SLIDE 2/12 – EARTH-2
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There's not a lot of new information about Earth-2 since our last look at this version of the world. Earth-2 is still the best-known alternative world for fans of The Flash as it's where Harry Wells hails from. It's also the first multiverse world that Team Flash has travelled to while trying to deal with the evil Zoom in season two. Jesse Quick is now the speedster hero of Earth-2, a situation that lead Harry to return to Earth-1. It's also the home of Laurel Lance/Black Siren, though from the looks of things on Arrow, she has no intention of ever going back.
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SLIDE 9/12 – EARTH-38
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Home of Supergirl, this Earth has had superheroes for at least a decade and aliens openly live in this world -- even if not everyone is happy they are there. After defeating the Daxamite invasion at the end of Supergirl's second season, Earth-38 now is dealing with the threat of the Worldkiller, Reign. Supergirl didn't fare too well in her first fight with Reign, but hopefully the Legion of Super-Heroes, who made their first appearance after being found in a spaceship in the National City waterfront, will be able to help out.

SLIDE 1/12 – EARTH-1
SLIDE 2/12 – EARTH-2
SLIDE 3/12 – EARTH-3
SLIDE 4/12 – EARTH-12
SLIDE 5/12 – EARTH-13
SLIDE 6/12 – EARTH-17
SLIDE 7/12 – EARTH-19
SLIDE 8/12 – EARTH-22
SLIDE 9/12 – EARTH-38
SLIDE 10/12 – EARTH-47
SLIDE 11/12 – EARTH-48
SLIDE 12/12 – EARTH-X

Edited December 18, 2017 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

I love how passionate Ryan Reynolds is about Deadpool.

[tennisgurl]

15 hours ago, Wishing Well said:

Yeah...I can't look at the Millenium Falcon without see the Waverider anymore.

Well, if it wasn't for the Waverider, Star Wars never would have been created!* 

My whole life this until Wednesday is avoiding spoilers. *plugs ears whenever Star wars is mentioned* Lalalala, I cant hear you...

*just reminding everyone, if it wasn't for the LoT crew, Earth 1 wouldn't have Star Wars OR Indiana Jones. They truly are their greatest heroes! 

[Delphi]

1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I love how passionate Ryan Reynolds is about Deadpool.

It really does feel like he got the role, read up on the character and then got the Wolverine script and has spent every moment sense trying to rectify that.  He also seems to really love the role.   I love him for that. 

[Simba122504]

How can the D.A. (that's what Cecille is) defend someone who's on trial for murder? How the hell does that work? Barry needs his own damn defense attorney. She's his defense lawyer in the comics but on this show she's the freaking District Attorney. What earth does that take place on? 

[Primal Slayer]

We know that law isn't the same in the Flarrow verse. 

[tv echo]

[Sakura12]

It really shows they have a former lawyer working on the show.  Or Barry is that special that he get the prosecutor on his side while Central City is the defendant. It's Central City's fault that Barry's a dumbass. 

[tv echo]

Legends of Tomorrow’s Graeme McComb talks saying goodbye to Martin and playing an elf
by Alexandria Ingham    December 18, 2017
https://hiddenremote.com/2017/12/18/legends-tomorrows-graeme-mccomb-talks-saying-goodbye-playing-elf/

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Graeme McComb is now well-known for his role as Young Stein in Legends of Tomorrow, but he’s also making children laugh as Elfonso the Elf.
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Hidden Remote: Legends of Tomorrow’s fall finale was viewed as the send off Stein deserved. What does that mean to you, since it was your portrayal as the Young Stein that helped to develop this send off?
McComb: An absolute honor. I feel such gratitude to be a part of Martin Stein’s journey.

Hidden Remote: How hard was the acceptance scene to film?
McComb: Shooting the scene actually came with such ease. I was already so invested in the character and I had a great deal of weight to work within that scene but also in the storyline, but for an actor, that’s what we thrive on.

Hidden Remote: Can you say if you’ll return to Legends or is it a door left open for now?
McComb: I am uncertain of Young Stein’s future. Only time will tell!

Edited December 19, 2017 by tv echo

[ladylaw99]

5 hours ago, Simba122504 said:

How can the D.A. (that's what Cecille is) defend someone who's on trial for murder? How the hell does that work? Barry needs his own damn defense attorney. She's his defense lawyer in the comics but on this show she's the freaking District Attorney. What earth does that take place on? 

These writers hurt my brain.  Barry really is a special dumbass.