Wisdom Of The Crowd - General Discussion

[Meredith Quill]

Your Wisdom Of The Crowd Topic!

[Johnny Dollar]

Wasn’t this that show last year that took place in a big city with a snarky rich guy using his snarkily acquired wealth to solve the murder of someone close to him?

[clb1016]

1 hour ago, Johnny Dollar said:

Wasn’t this that show last year that took place in a big city with a snarky rich guy using his snarkily acquired wealth to solve the murder of someone close to him?

That was APB starring Justin Kirk.  That had a more authoritarian bent; instead crowdsourcing the billionaire furnished the Chicago police with high-tech cameras and other spyware.

[janeta]

New hacker guy needs to shave.  Piven needs to shave too.

[Raja]

2 hours ago, clb1016 said:

That was APB starring Justin Kirk.  That had a more authoritarian bent; instead crowdsourcing the billionaire furnished the Chicago police with high-tech cameras and other spyware.

The app which lead to the show name was basically the crowd source instead of calling 911.

[shapeshifter]

Not sure if Jeremy Piven's acting alone is going to make this worth watching. I didn't watch more than a few episodes of POI either.

And what's up with keeping his relationship a secret when The person he's with wants to go public? In most cases that would mean she should dump him faster than a soft reboot.

After "the crowd" (i.e., everyone) knows about Sophe (the crowdsourcing app), won't all perps just wear Unabomber-style caps, hoodies, and sunglasses? I can imagine conspiracy theorists and Big-Brother-is-watching paranoiacs wearing them all the time too.

[Guest]

I did not like the whole "secret relationship" thing, but I liked the rest.  I'll keep watching for now.

[thewhiteowl]

I liked it. It didn't go down the rabbit hole I thought it would by having a cop around. They actually paid some attention to those pesky "invasion of privacy" things.  

[Chaos Theory]

This has everything I hate about the new wave of procedurals.  A guy who has no business or experience with police work suddenly becomes the last best hope for the police.   A secret relationship that could make things messy.   Someone with a tragic past.  

The only interesting thing is the idea itself.  Using technology to find criminals.  However the idea itself could get bogged down by a guy who would trash his own idea if someone gave  him the answer about his daughter.  

I will probably only watch this for the same reason I watch Macgyver on Fridays.  Nothing else on on Sundays

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Edited October 2, 2017 by Chaos Theory

[Lady Calypso]

I'll be honest; I simply didn't like this pilot. I felt myself bored and distracted for most of it. I imagine they'll run into more issues with their crowd sourcing idea, as they already introduced the idea of it going wrong very quickly here. 

Like APB last season (which I didn't even end up watching past the pilot), I'll see if I remember to tune in. I guess Sundays are slow anyway, so if I have nothing else to do, I'll probably tune in. 

I think the idea isn't the worst idea out there and it has potential for several seasons, but it just hasn't caught me yet. Jeremy Piven's acting is what kept me watching past the first commercial break. 

[pennben]

I had taped this to check it out, but deleted it unwatched from my DVR today.  After watching the awful, not to mention, woefully inaccurate crowd-sourcing that happened overnight regarding the Vegas shootings, I want no part of a show that glorifies this practice.  Some corners of twitter and the internet were noxious, poisonous and put real people in danger based on misidentifications.

[Clanstarling]

On 10/1/2017 at 6:09 PM, janeta said:

New hacker guy needs to shave.  Piven needs to shave too.

I don't typically like that look, but I thought it worked on both of them.

On 10/2/2017 at 2:11 AM, shapeshifter said:

Not sure if Jeremy Piven's acting alone is going to make this worth watching. I didn't watch more than a few episodes of POI either.

I never could get into POI, but that was more because of Caviezel. Loved him in Frequency, couldn't stand him in POI.

10 hours ago, pennben said:

I had taped this to check it out, but deleted it unwatched from my DVR today.  After watching the awful, not to mention, woefully inaccurate crowd-sourcing that happened overnight regarding the Vegas shootings, I want no part of a show that glorifies this practice.  Some corners of twitter and the internet were noxious, poisonous and put real people in danger based on misidentifications.

That's certainly true, and I have the same reservations.  But I do think they addressed it (somewhat) in the 90% is crap, 10% is gold, and having them restrain themselves with the murderer at the end. I'll wait and see. It may not be on my DVR list once all my shows start premiering.

[CooperTV]

Yeah, it's like Person of Interest but with far less credibility or common sense, and I'm aware I'm comparing this show with a show that part Batman comics part pseudo-sci-fi "drama" about an artificial intelligence that was designed to detect acts of terror.

I hated the cinematography (everything looks ugly), the lighting (did they film it without any artificial lights??), the wardrobe choices for the characters. The acting is mediocre (Jeremy Piven excluded). I've no idea what's even point of this show. It doesn't look like a CBS show, to be honest. At least with CBS procedurals you can always count on competent look of a show. This one? It looks like crap.

[Emma9]

I found APB a lot more interesting. Couldn't keep my attention on the screen most of the time, except for an incredulous stare when they asked the random young civilian woman to sneak up on the rapist and murderer to spy on him.

I don't see a Person of Interest angle at all. Polar opposite, really; PoI was extremely isolationist, while this show's entire shtick is getting outsiders involved.

If anything, it's like that show The Forgotten (which I'm sure most people have...forgotten). It was about a volunteer group that worked on unsolved crimes with unidentified victims, and they used an online network of other volunteers to help them interpret clues and get information. That show only got one season, but was also much more entertaining than this.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Emma9

[Halting Hex]

I have no intention of watching this, as not only do I have moral issues with the concept, but Law & Order already did an episode about this sort of thing ("Crimebusters", episode 19.13) and that was 9 years ago…but surely, if they were going to do it, doesn't it seem natural to give Piven's character a different surname and call the show Lynch's Mob?

I mean, if ever there was a lay-up, that would seem to be it.  JMO.

[Brattinella]

Does anyone know if this episode will be repeated?  I stupidly missed the first 10 minutes.

[janeta]

Ok, the “pep talk” to the parents of the kids who bought the tests was pretty cool. :)

But boy the wife is wooden.  How did she get elected?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, janeta said:

Ok, the “pep talk” to the parents of the kids who bought the tests was pretty cool

Yes! I loved that!

A strong episode, though there are certain plot points that are pretty silly. His advisor being worried about his bankruptcy is a big one to me.

[Jillybean]

10 hours ago, janeta said:

But boy the wife is wooden.  How did she get elected?

For me, the question is more like "how did Monica Potter get cast?" The woodenness is all her. 

[NeverLate]

I'm really enjoying this. Its very clever, especially when my fear was vigilante justice, and it's not that. Gathering all the information about where the boy might be, to pinpoint him, excellent! 

[NeverLate]

On 05/10/2017 at 10:24 AM, Halting Hex said:

I have no intention of watching this, as not only do I have moral issues with the concept, but Law & Order already did an episode about this sort of thing ("Crimebusters", episode 19.13) and that was 9 years ago…but surely, if they were going to do it, doesn't it seem natural to give Piven's character a different surname and call the show Lynch's Mob?

I mean, if ever there was a lay-up, that would seem to be it.  JMO.

That's what I though, but its not..just information. Heck even the cop came around! 

[Chaos Theory]

Somewhat better then the pilot.  I still don't like the main character.  Ironically enough if you got rid of Jeremy Piven's character the show is 100 times better.  I am actually more interested in his ex-wife then him and she only shows up a couple time an episode.  Then again I always liked Monica Potter.   Although I HATED Parenthood I kinda liked her character if that makes any sense.    And the Saw movies are the murder porn you will ever see.  So Monica Potter is my reason for watching this show.   I know....I am watching a show for a supporting character who will be on for two seconds ever three episodes (Hey I am the person who watches Gotham for Barbara Kean so I am already use to it.)

[Jillybean]

39 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Somewhat better then the pilot.  I still don't like the main character.  Ironically enough if you got rid of Jeremy Piven's character the show is 100 times better.  I am actually more interested in his ex-wife then him and she only shows up a couple time an episode.  Then again I always liked Monica Potter.   Although I HATED Parenthood I kinda liked her character if that makes any sense.    And the Saw movies are the murder porn you will ever see.  So Monica Potter is my reason for watching this show.   I know....I am watching a show for a supporting character who will be on for two seconds ever three episodes (Hey I am the person who watches Gotham for Barbara Kean so I am already use to it.)

This is funny because I'm primarily watching for Piven and cringe every time Potter is on screen!  I absolutely loathed her on Parenthood.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Jillybean

[jhlipton]

If you substitute all the "trying-to-be-geek" nonsense (like Boyle's Theorem, and substitute "blah blah magic blah", it's an OK show.

[Mrs peel]

I didn't like this as much as the Pilot.  I hope they don't go into "main character becomes a superman and personally rescues X" each week.  Too cheesy to me.

Also not much of a fan of the ex-wife now suddenly being a politician. 

I continue to like the 'behind the scenes' stuff - the potential bankruptcy, not being able to control how the crowd reacts, etc.  I don't include the suddenly (and in virtually no time at all) being able to change the topography of the area to show how things changed since the Google Maps photos were taken.  Did they even explain how they did that?

[Jillybean]

49 minutes ago, Mrs peel said:

Also not much of a fan of the ex-wife now suddenly being a politician. 

She was referred to as a Congresswoman in the pilot.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Jillybean

[Mrs peel]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 4:05 PM, CooperTV said:

Yeah, it's like Person of Interest but with far less credibility or common sense, and I'm aware I'm comparing this show with a show that part Batman comics part pseudo-sci-fi "drama" about an artificial intelligence that was designed to detect acts of terror.

I hated the cinematography (everything looks ugly), the lighting (did they film it without any artificial lights??), the wardrobe choices for the characters. The acting is mediocre (Jeremy Piven excluded). I've no idea what's even point of this show. It doesn't look like a CBS show, to be honest. At least with CBS procedurals you can always count on competent look of a show. This one? It looks like crap.

Well, they are in an industrial section of Oakland, so not sure the cinematography is off.  I didn't notice the clothes at all.  I'm on the opposite side about POI - I didn't think that show had much credibility, and stopped watching pretty quickly.

Now having seen 2 episodes, I'm on the fence.  I guess I suspended disbelief for the pilot and didn't think of the fact that Piven's character should have/did think out things like the long (short?) term use/profitability of the software, recognize that they wouldn't be able to control the actions of the crowd (but wasn't it so incredibly likely that people would start following the suspects?), etc.  It seemed like a vanity project in the pilot, in the second episode not so much.  Some sense that he consulted with counsel about the legality of some of the surveillance would have been nice too.

[Mrs peel]

2 minutes ago, Jillybean said:

She was referred to as a Congresswoman in the pilot.

I missed that, thanks!

[shapeshifter]

7 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

hope they don't go into "main character becomes a superman and personally rescues X" each week.  Too cheesy to me.

 I thought that they steered clear of that by identifying the lover as the creator of the prototype code and the other resident nerds as making it work. Piven's character is not even quite the Steve Jobs of the piece.

 I worked the night this aired and only watched it a few hours ago, whereas I caught up on Kyra Sedgwick's show yesterday. Now I'm thinking this show is slightly more watchable—perhaps because of its feel-good stories, but neither one is must-see TV for me.

[Clanstarling]

On 10/8/2017 at 5:59 PM, janeta said:

Ok, the “pep talk” to the parents of the kids who bought the tests was pretty cool. :)

But boy the wife is wooden.  How did she get elected?

I don't dislike Monica Potter, but she had so little energy and power as a speaker that I had the same thought. 

I liked this show well enough, though as @shapeshifter said, it's not must see TV for me (ditto on Kyra's show). 

 I think crowd sourcing would be a pretty effective way to search for a lost child, if amber alerts are really only used for children they know are kidnapped. I thought the female detective ought to get the stick out of her butt for this one case. 

Not sure I'm convinced crowd sourcing is better than search and rescue professionals who also know the terrain - and who (I expect) would know that there's more foliage because of rain and approach the search accordingly.

Did anyone else think that Monica Potter saw something in that video? I don't know why, but I jumped immediately to her right hand man as a suspect. 

[janeta]

“If you can ‘where’s Waldo’ a serial killer out of thin air...”   hee!

 

aaaand yep, saw that coming.

Edited October 16, 2017 by janeta

[Tdoc72]

On 10/5/2017 at 8:19 AM, Emma9 said:

 

If anything, it's like that show The Forgotten (which I'm sure most people have...forgotten). It was about a volunteer group that worked on unsolved crimes with unidentified victims, and they used an online network of other volunteers to help them interpret clues and get information. That show only got one season, but was also much more entertaining than this.

I remember that one. Christian Slater led the team. We may have been the only ones who watched. LOL

[Guest]

I suspected his daughter was a patient, not an intern, since the pilot.  (Yes, I know we're only 3 episodes in so this isn't that big of a deal.)  I didn't know how she would have kept it from her parents, so it makes sense that her mom knew/paid for it.  

[Clanstarling]

The show is gaining ground for me. I liked this episode a lot. Still worry about things like chain of evidence and admissibility, but until it really becomes an issue, I'll roll with it.

Still having trouble with Monica Potter though. I think it's her acting choices and not her, because I don't remember having any issue with her in Parenthood. She doesn't seem to change her modulation at all - everything is said in the same beaten down depressed tone. Maybe it's an attempt to show how sad and tortured she is, but I've seen plenty of actresses portray that well. If she was playing "just" a grieving mother, maybe it wouldn't bug me, but she's supposed to be a congresswoman, and no one  in power - in politics, in the courts, teachers, and parents for goodness sake, doesn't have (or hasn't worked on having) some steel in their voice - the "I'm not f'ing around" tone that demands attention.

My favorite line - when he called the executive's attempt to get Sophe a"passive-aggressive take over"

Edited October 17, 2017 by Clanstarling

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

My favorite line - when he called the executive's attempt to get Sophe a"passive-aggressive take over"

Yes. 

 

A serious problem with the premise occurred to me while driving with the Google maps voice telling me to "turn right in 2 point 9 miles," which, if the Wisdom of the Crowd could be added, would also caution, "but do not turn right at 2 point eight nine miles." The problem is that a lot of pranksters would suggest turning right at 2.89 miles, as would the fast food vendor on the street of the premature turn. It seems there are many reasons related to self preservation, financial gain, revenge, etc. that could be disastrous when tainted info is uploaded and would at least undercut the value of Sophe. Hopefully this will be addressed in the next couple of episodes.

[AnimeMania]

8 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

The problem is that a lot of pranksters would suggest turning right at 2.89 miles, as would the fast food vendor on the street of the premature turn. It seems there are many reasons related to self preservation, financial gain, revenge, etc. that could be disastrous when tainted info is uploaded and would at least undercut the value of Sophe.

Pranksters like to remain anonymous which would be hard to do when you download an app to your phone. I don't like Sophie because it turns everybody into unpaid interns working to solve cases, sometimes begging people with particular sets of skills to provide them without compensation.

[shapeshifter]

8 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

I don't like Sophie because it turns everybody into unpaid interns working to solve cases, sometimes begging people with particular sets of skills to provide them without compensation.

Right now Sophe's not turning a profit, and if they keep it non-profit, that makes the volunteer aspect not really exploitative. But motives to "help"  are still likely to be less than noble.

[janeta]

Wow, the wife (whose name i forget) is just terrible.  And sure, it may have been Tanner's meddling that got the news about Mia's stay in the hospital leaked, but there were hundreds of other people in that hospital who could have done it too.

Edited October 23, 2017 by janeta

[thewhiteowl]

I really hate that the so-called expert was so flabbergasted by internet trolls.  Tanner, I mean not the girlfriend, she was not surprised.  The ex screaming at him to fix it was also kinda stupid.  Does she know nothing about the internet?  So the kid got some help, it isn't like she was an ax murderer. So far....

Even with that said, I do kinda like this show. LOL

[Clanstarling]

I was ready for the second in command to have been the one to pull the trigger. So that's a nice deflection. I found the idea of creating your own martyrdom - the fakest of the fake news, interesting, but ultimately pretty scary when you come down to it. 

I was okay with the ex-wife blaming at first, but then when they'd found the source - someone who'd been doing this to other politicians - I lost any sympathy when she wouldn't hear it. 

For me, personally, I found it a bit too dead on political for me to actually enjoy, given reality. But I thought it was fairly well drawn, but maybe a bit too heavy handed on on the issues regarding social media. They crammed a lot into one hour.

[Guest]

I thought this was, by far, the weakest episode to date.  It wasn't enjoyable.  There was very little mystery or suspense.  (Will Sophe be taken over by neo-Nazis???? Stay tuned!)  Also, the ending where the original users started coming back in droves - what... two minutes after he uploaded her file?  They really saw and responded that quickly?

[notcreative enough]

For some reason I think the ex's advisor guy killed the daughter. He seems very adamant that she discount Tanner. Plus I hate when show make the killer someone we never seen before.

I don't know how the Nazi guy is a martyr that died for the cause but whatever. I knew the wife was involved but that Branch was the killer. So that was a nice twist. 

Loved the detective for calling out the girlfriend that he does in fact understand racism and deals with it all the time. Her surprised "oh your black" was a little too much. 

I don't know how much more of the super bitchy ex wife I can take. Maybe they should pull a Kevin can wait and kill her too. Everything Tanner does she bitches about she must have been a nightmare to be married to.

[Clanstarling]

2 hours ago, notcreative enough said:

For some reason I think the ex's advisor guy killed the daughter. He seems very adamant that she discount Tanner. Plus I hate when show make the killer someone we never seen before.

I don't know how the Nazi guy is a martyr that died for the cause but whatever. I knew the wife was involved but that Branch was the killer. So that was a nice twist. 

Loved the detective for calling out the girlfriend that he does in fact understand racism and deals with it all the time. Her surprised "oh your black" was a little too much. 

I don't know how much more of the super bitchy ex wife I can take. Maybe they should pull a Kevin can wait and kill her too. Everything Tanner does she bitches about she must have been a nightmare to be married to.

That's my feeling about the advisor as well. 

The Nazi guy (his wife, and possibly his second in command) created a fake narrative that he was killed for his beliefs. Originally, there was a sniper who was going to kill him, but that was thwarted by the guy who interfered. So they scrambled and created a new narrative, that he was killed by an immigrant (illegal? I don't recall). Either way - his followers would believe he was a martyr to the cause. I don't think Branch was the killer - it was the wife they hauled off to jail.

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I don't think Branch was the killer - it was the wife they hauled off to jail.

I dozed off towards the end. Did they not reveal who the fake killer was?

[Clanstarling]

7 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I dozed off towards the end. Did they not reveal who the fake killer was?

My take was that the wife was the killer. I believe there was forensic evidence in her car, but my mind yadda yadda'd through it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "fake" killer.  The guy who interfered (and had his picture on Sophe) was an undocumented man who thought the crowd was going to give the Nazi's the violence they wanted, so he wanted to prevent that.  And so far as I remember, no one else was arrested, and the would be sniper wasn't found.

[shapeshifter]

12 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "fake" killer. 

Bad word choice on my part. I was thinking how the murder was "fake news" because he was really dying of—was it cancer? I must have missed more than I thought.

[Clanstarling]

10 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Bad word choice on my part. I was thinking how the murder was "fake news" because he was really dying of—was it cancer? I must have missed more than I thought.

Ah, I get it. I don't think we actually saw the police reveal the truth to the public - but the false narrative was already out there and gaining ground, so it was going to be an uphill battle to get certain people to believe the true circumstances.

[jhlipton]

On 10/24/2017 at 9:52 AM, deaja said:

The ending where the original users started coming back in droves - what... two minutes after he uploaded her file?  They really saw and responded that quickly?

Nor only that, but once they dropped the site, they wouldn't be tagged as "18 days +" users.

This was really stupid.  They haven't controlled for user bias, or for outliers in general, yet they always have 100% accurate data?  No.  Just no. 

[LuvMyShows]

Disappointed that there's not more chatter about this show...I really like it.  They've managed to branch out in the subplots and flesh out the main characters, and go further into the related issues surrounding the existence of Sophe. 

[thewhiteowl]

I completely agree. It has some first season wobbles, for sure but it is good. I know it's cliché but I don't trust the lawyer. Maybe it's the Don King hair.