S08.E16: Emotional Roller Coaster

[ghoulina]

24 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I think she was referring to Addie and Gracie, since Addie and Gracie can do things together that Ali can't.   Also, we all know Leah isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.  Her inability to form a coherent thought doesn't mean everyone at the table is wasted.  

I agree. Leah has always been rather slow to understand things and quite inarticulate. I'm not saying it's possible that she's doing drugs again; but I, personally, haven't seen anything that raised red flags. I DO think her sister was high in that one scene on her porch, but Leah has just seemed like her normal doof of a self. 

[Quilty]

Was this episode the season finale? All I see for next week is a reunion special.

[guilfoyleatpp]

The way Leah was moving her shoulders and arms at the beginning of the theme park scenes were what made me think she was high. I lived in a largish sized city (in a not quite gentrified area) for a couple of decades until recently. The mannerism of those under the influence of various substances are known to me for survival reasons.

The coven reminds me of our former neighbors. It was a shit show over there. I feel sorry for the people who have to live next to them. Same for Jenelle's former neighbors. 

[Christina87]

Haha watching the special and loving it. I've only seen a few meltdowns so far, but...

there, jenelle. You have proof on video that barb didn't want to take care of a baby at 57. I love how she said, "you have work and jace." Such a lack of understanding, empathy, and common sense!

randy's look when Chelsea said she wished she'd signed the papers over when Adam asked. "Ummmmmm, yeahhhhhhh!"

Soooooo excited to see the crap falling on addy again! Best scene ever!

[MargeGunderson]

On 10/18/2017 at 0:55 PM, Sprockets said:

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.    

One is Jace's mother; the other gave birth to him.

[TimeToCancelTM]

5 hours ago, Sprockets said:

Because of the nature of this medium, I can't show you what I'm seeing, but I am a child of the 60s and 70s, and spotting the wasted is second nature for me. A vowel held too long, facial drooping, odd mannerisms and so on.  And of course it's all subjective and everything here is opinion.  

I completely agree with you, and it doesnt take a drug councelor/specialist to see that these hillbillies are on drugs....their entire conversation was off, and the confusion with the girlses age, the lipstick, the "dazed stares"....high, high...youre all high!!! 

[smacaluso2003]

6 hours ago, poopchute said:

Leah was struggling to get through the sentence “I wish my twins were the same age so I could do things with both of them.”

I didn't get a chance to watch but Jesus Gawd Leah, did you really say that?

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 10/19/2017 at 0:46 PM, TheRealT said:

They also use the adoption story as a cudgel to beat Luis, as in, "Brianna only kept Stella because you wouldn't let her place her for adoption and now you're not doing shit!" That's really disturbing and sends a message to Nova (and later Stella) that they were basically tricked or screwed into keeping Stella and if Luis weren't such an asshole she wouldn't be in their family. They also often draw parallels between how Brianna/the coven are getting screwed by Luis AGAIN, just like they did with Devoin, so it's not much of a leap for Nova to feel like she too is a burden with which they got stuck and which is at the root of their misery. To me, that stuff is the worst of all the inappropriate things they talk about in front of Nova. Even with Stella, though she can't understand what they're saying yet, she surely picks up on the negative vibes and outright yelling and crying. 

They're disgusting!! And the emotional/psychological damage that they're doing to those girls (especially nova, like u mentioned) is immense!! 

Edited October 21, 2017 by JuliesMommy
Misspelled lol

[mittsigirl]

On 10/16/2017 at 7:23 PM, GreatKazu said:

Kail had just returned from a vacation five days before this trip. Her body didn't have time to stop swelling. She is too stupid. 

Kail is lucky she didn't have to be transported to a hospital like this: 

 

It is downright dangerous to eat & drink while reading these posts,

never know when one will get me choking with laughter!

[mittsigirl]

On 10/18/2017 at 3:05 AM, HoosierJen said:

Spiderella2, thank you for your concern. Yes, she's fine . . . she's actually 21 now and perfectly healthy (except for those holes in her heart). Nobody knows she has a heart problem unless we tell them, and everyone is always surprised to find out -- she looks like the picture of health. 

As far as the advice that Briana was given, it sounded right. We were told to always watch my daughter to see if she seemed out of breath or abnormally tired. She goes to the pediatric cardiologist once a year to get the holes measured -- as long as they are within a certain size limit, no surgical intervention is needed. This summer was actually a big moment for us because it was her last visit to the 'pediatric' cardiologist -- her next visit will be to a regular cardiologist. The only physical restriction she's ever had is that she can't scuba dive. One thing that I remember the cardiologist telling me when my daughter was a baby was that I was to treat her exactly like I treated her older brother . . . if he played soccer, let her play soccer; if he climbed a tree, let her climb as well; if I was a spanking parent, spank both of them for the same infraction. He said the problem comes when parents treat their kids differently and try to protect the one with the heart defect. He said it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy -- you keep them out of sports and try to cushion them from everything, hence their body doesn't build up its strength. I hope that Briana gets this same advice and treats both of her girls the same.

Briana is the type of parent that I usually love to meet in the cardiologist's waiting room -- new baby, just got the diagnosis, scared to death. I remember how that felt, and I think it makes them feel so much better to see my daughter -- college senior, beautiful, strong, played volleyball and ran cross country all through high school -- becuase they realize that a heart defect will not prevent their child from doing anything in life. 

It's a shame that there are not more great Moms like you:)

[mittsigirl]

On 10/18/2017 at 7:36 PM, mamadrama said:

I have three rare disorders (a "cluster" of medical conditions that are often found together): Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Chiari Malformation, and Mast Cell Activation Disorder. The EDS is slowly killing me; I've lost my uterus, kidney, spleen, gallbladder, and appendix to ruptures and I now have a thoracic anyerusm that is too big to operate on. Two weeks ago, part of my intestines necrotized and ruptured. We don't have specialists for any of these in my state. Because there are so few specialists period, the wait list to see any of them is up to 2 years. I have been on the wait list for the EDS Center in Baltimore for 2 1/2 years. I had to travel two states away for my brain surgery because that was the closest hospital to me that could do it. There are no "cures" for any of these but the specialists help us find ways to manage the symptoms. People with Vascular EDS, my kind, die every day from spontaneous ruptures and heart issues and for many it's because we don't have proper medical care. 

 

TL/DR: Yeah, this fuckers piss me off. They act totally nonchalant and dismissive of opportunities that some of us are literally dying to have. 

I am so sorry about your health problems. Next time I start feeling sorry for myself, when I can't control my nerve pain, I will think of what you have to live with, and change my attitude. A.S.A.P.

[Sprockets]

9 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

On 10/18/2017 at 0:55 PM, Sprockets said:

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.    

One is Jace's mother; the other gave birth to him.

You are so right.  I regret my original post, above.  I should have pointed out their similarities, which are notable.  They are definitely not the same person mnius drugs.  

[poopchute]

9 hours ago, smacaluso2003 said:

I didn't get a chance to watch but Jesus Gawd Leah, did you really say that?

Yes

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/lyv8bb/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-leah-s-tough-reality

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

I am so sorry about your health problems. Next time I start feeling sorry for myself, when I can't control my nerve pain, I will think of what you have to live with, and change my attitude. A.S.A.P.

Your "bad" might be different than my "bad" but that doesn't make yours less valid. It's all painful. ☺Besides, I totally support the occasional pity party. I throw one for myself pretty often. 

[FozzyBear]

Brittany with her “when will we catch a break” can sit down. What bad things have happened exactly? You’re all healthy. Brianna has just stumbled into an amazing career opportunity that requires no real intelligence, skill, education, or training, just the willingness to let bad life decisions be filmed. Stella’s diagnosis, while scary, is starting to sound less serious then at first glance. Brianna’s Baby Daddies may be worthless deadbeats, but they do more or less leave her alone to run her life as she sees fit. All of their bad luck seems like their own inability to manage life. Brittany by not leaving her role of glorified babysitter, Brianna by not practicing safe sex, and Roxanne by continuing to micromanage Brianna. And while deciding to have a child with someone always involves a bit of finger crossing, it usually is a little more thought out then “that guy. The one standing by the bar. I hope God makes him a good father. I hope God makes him see the importance of diapers and whipes and stepping up”

i think Kaile might not have been serious about her giving birth in another country conversation. It sort of sounded like they were just joking around while waiting for the doctor. I hope?

Chelsea continues to warm my heart with her happiness at her life of being the most basic girl to ever basic her way out of basictown. In this episode she wore a PINK sweatshirt to pick up her daughter from school. Because of course she did. You go girl.

Leah, fuck. I don’t know what to say. I believe she is doing her best. I suspect things with Alie are getting bad. I can’t imagine what its like to know there is a good chance you will bury your child. Leah is the one I feel like is actually dealing with some real shit. When she’s like this, clear headed and trying, I’m inclined to give her many breaks because I cannot imagine how I would be functioning.

Janelle i am not so inclined to give breaks. Please stop having babies with psychopaths. Also, please stop being a psychopath yourself. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

20 hours ago, TheRealT said:

They also use the adoption story as a cudgel to beat Luis, as in, "Brianna only kept Stella because you wouldn't let her place her for adoption and now you're not doing shit!" That's really disturbing and sends a message to Nova (and later Stella) that they were basically tricked or screwed into keeping Stella and if Luis weren't such an asshole she wouldn't be in their family. They also often draw parallels between how Brianna/the coven are getting screwed by Luis AGAIN, just like they did with Devoin, so it's not much of a leap for Nova to feel like she too is a burden with which they got stuck and which is at the root of their misery. To me, that stuff is the worst of all the inappropriate things they talk about in front of Nova. Even with Stella, though she can't understand what they're saying yet, she surely picks up on the negative vibes and outright yelling and crying. 

Co-sign all of this!

Plus, this fake story line about adoption was really insensitive and offensive to people who are hoping (and working, saving, etc) to be adoptive parents one day as well as real birth moms who did place their kids.  I can just imagine what Theresa or Cate would feel watching the coven use these fake adoption manipulation-conversations.  (Obviously I doubt Theresa watches TM2, but you know what I mean.)  If I was someone going through the adoption process or dealing with infertility, all Briana's adoption talk would have me seething with anger.  

Edited October 20, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[teapot]

I kinda remember during Briana's 16 & P episode, she was complaining about being "stuck with" Nova.

She doesn't fare well in either girl's beginnings.

Edited October 20, 2017 by teapot
words should make sense

[Birdee]

I remember her complaining about being stuck with Nova, too. I also remember conversations about "maybe I shoulda just had an abortion." Yes, maybe you should have, but you didn't so shut your damn mouth. You can have those thoughts, but expressing them in a way where the child will see/hear it one day isn't going to do anyone any good. 

[mittsigirl]

10 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Your "bad" might be different than my "bad" but that doesn't make yours less valid. It's all painful. ☺Besides, I totally support the occasional pity party. I throw one for myself pretty often. 

You are so sweet:)

[GreatKazu]

8 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Brittany with her “when will we catch a break” can sit down. What bad things have happened exactly? You’re all healthy. Brianna has just stumbled into an amazing career opportunity that requires no real intelligence, skill, education, or training, just the willingness to let bad life decisions be filmed. Stella’s diagnosis, while scary, is starting to sound less serious then at first glance. Brianna’s Baby Daddies may be worthless deadbeats, but they do more or less leave her alone to run her life as she sees fit. All of their bad luck seems like their own inability to manage life. Brittany by not leaving her role of glorified babysitter, Brianna by not practicing safe sex, and Roxanne by continuing to micromanage Brianna. And while deciding to have a child with someone always involves a bit of finger crossing, it usually is a little more thought out then “that guy. The one standing by the bar. I hope God makes him a good father. I hope God makes him see the importance of diapers and whipes and stepping up”

 

Aside from Stella's heart issues, Roxanne is suffering from Lupus. That may have been part of the reason for Brittany's remark about catching a break. Still, I found it eye-rolling because they could have had a break from all this current drama had her sister been on birth control or at least made sure the guy she met at the club put a condom on. Briana knew of her mother's health issues and still, she goes forward with having a child with a guy when the very glaring red flag was being waved in her stupid face. I can't understand why Briana expects the guys to be 100 percent responsible when she herself is irresponsible. 

[Stephanie1216]

On 10/17/2017 at 1:12 PM, Quilty said:

OMG Kail! Sunscreen!! That swelling was probably from the sunburn she had.

Janelle "We're going to New York!"

Jace " Oh."

I think Janelle expected a little more enthusiasm from Jace. I'm sure it's Barb's fault.

I'm sure an 8 year old boy is thrilled to go to a wedding dress fitting in New York City. He does just give the answers to Jenelle and Barb that they want to hear and the stating his tried feeling following up with the "I'm kidding" is such an obvious sign that Jenelle will ignore

[LBS]

Omg! Just watching this episode in full and I realized who Leah reminds me of: Vivi Abbot Walker from the book ‘Divine Secret of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.  Not a great parent but filled with the desire to do good and some moments of true, great parenting but also truly an addict trying to deny the addiction . The scene of Gracie in the roller coaster reminded me of the scene with the elephant, Vivi, and Siddee in the book

[Rebecca]

15 hours ago, Stephanie1216 said:

I really don't think Leah has been "hi" on pillars on camera since she feel asleep with that baby or tried to roll her luggage to rehab without sipping it up and it all falling on the floor (that was funny) so you all need to give her a break on that.

 Ali can be very aggressive herself she did hit Gracie very hard in the face last night. But Ali is the one who makes sure her parents know she was the victim. I'm going with Gracie on this one.

 

I couldn't disagree more. Leah has definitely been shown high since then. And so has her sister. Leah is just a little better at covering it up than she was before and I'd agreed that she's probably using LESS on camera but I don't think for a second that she has totally stopped. Most people who know drugs and drug abusers can see that a mile away.

Aleeah was not only withholding the jerky from Ali but Aleeah hit Ali first! Why shouldn't Ali hit her back if they haven't been taught not to hit each other? Ali WAS "the victim" in that scenario, not sure how it could be seen any other way - again, she was hit first and Aleeah was acting like a brat with the jerky. Plus, Ali never even told Leah that Aleeah had hit her first...not sure how that makes her a tattletale?

Edited October 21, 2017 by Rebecca

[jacksgirl]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:10 PM, MargeGunderson said:

One is Jace's mother; the other gave birth to him.

We all know Jenelle was born into a dysfunctional home. We know nothing about Barbara's upbringing, even though she's older I'm sure she carries a lot of baggage from when she was a child. The difference between the two is that Barbara wants to stop the cycle. Barbara wants Jace to have a better life. That's why he sees physicians, that's why he's in Boy Scouts that's why she plays with him outside.

She is trying to make his life as normal and as happy as she can. That's why I love Barbara and detest Jenelle. Janelle has the time, money and resources to give Jace a good childhood yet she doesn't. Barbara loves that little boy and you cannot say that about Jenelle. Jace is going to reach an age at some point where he'll get to choose if he sees Jenelle or not. I predict he will not want to see her. Barbara is his mother in every way that counts. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On October 20, 2017 at 10:51 PM, LBS said:

Omg! Just watching this episode in full and I realized who Leah reminds me of: Vivi Abbot Walker from the book ‘Divine Secret of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.  Not a great parent but filled with the desire to do good and some moments of true, great parenting but also truly an addict trying to deny the addiction . The scene of Gracie in the roller coaster reminded me of the scene with the elephant, Vivi, and Siddee in the book

Absolutely. (Although Vivi was undeniably more intelligent.) With both that character and Leah you can tell that underneath the addiction and issues, there's a person who loves/cares and wants to do better as a mom inside somewhere.....unlike Jenelle who truly only can care about Jenelle. There's no inner good person/parent trying to surface at times in Jenelle cause it's just not there since she's a sociopath with no real feelings except about herself. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[GreatKazu]

On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 11:07 AM, jacksgirl said:

We all know Jenelle was born into a dysfunctional home. We know nothing about Barbara's upbringing, even though she's older I'm sure she carries a lot of baggage from when she was a child. The difference between the two is that Barbara wants to stop the cycle. Barbara wants Jace to have a better life. That's why he sees physicians, that's why he's in Boy Scouts that's why she plays with him outside.

She is trying to make his life as normal and as happy as she can. That's why I love Barbara and detest Jenelle. Janelle has the time, money and resources to give Jace a good childhood yet she doesn't. Barbara loves that little boy and you cannot say that about Jenelle. Jace is going to reach an age at some point where he'll get to choose if he sees Jenelle or not. I predict he will not want to see her. Barbara is his mother in every way that counts. 

Barb was in a violent marriage filled with abuse. Jenelle's dad was an abuser. Agree with your post. 

@Stephanie1216 Gracie hit Ali first in that car scene. That is why Ali hit her back. I rewinded that scene numerous times. Also, Gracie was quick to tell Leah that Ali had hit her, but she never admitted she had hit her sister FIRST.  When Leah asked Ali why she hit Gracie, she never even said Gracie had hit her. She could have ratted out Gracie, but never did. Leah, of course, found out the truth when she watched that scene.  

Edited October 24, 2017 by GreatKazu