All Episodes Talk: Small World, Big Lives

[SongbirdHollow]

I don’t think that having the wedding on the farm is a horrible idea. She lived there for 30 years and raised her kids there so even though Matt owns it it’s still special for her. She could do it there with the stipulation that Matt and Caryn spend that weekend in AZ and butt out of the planning. 
 

Those metal statues were hideous, and not in a scary Halloween way. They were just BAD. What a waste of money. They could have done so many other things to keep the farm “fresh“. 
 

Watching Amy’s bitchface is so uncomfortable. I don’t see what Chris sees in her at all. She’s gotta be bringing him down. And they are not going to get along living together when he’s neat and she’s messy. Being uncluttered seems very  important to him, more than the usual person. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I remember watching the way Amy treated Matt back in the day and I thought, omg, I hope he gets away from her and finds someone who isn’t so hostile.  I honestly didn’t think he ever would.  I can see how someone in his situation might be hesitant to do that.( So, that goes to show how much I know. 😝)  If he had an extramarital affair, it was not right. It’s always best to end things and then move on with a new relationship. But, I wasn’t in his shoes.  As it turns out, he and Amy ended up with new mates that they seem better suited for.  Amy seems much happier.  I guess Matt was not the one for her.   Carrying grudges only hurts the one who carries it.  Sometimes, we have to ask ourselves, do we want to be right or be happy.   After we’ve proven we’re right, what does that get us?   So, if Amy was wronged, she was wronged.  I’m not sure how that helps her moving forward in life. I mean, who wants pity?  I would imagine that Chris has gotten an earful about Matt since he met Amy, yet, he seems to have zero negativity towards him.  That speaks volumes to me.  

Edited May 13, 2021 by SunnyBeBe

[AZChristian]

47 minutes ago, Marley GMA said:

Yes that has stopped  a few years ago.  i missed out : (  and she is younger than me by 4 years.

According to the Social Security website:

If you are divorced, your ex-spouse can receive benefits based on your record (even if you have remarried) if:

• Your marriage lasted 10 years or longer.
• Your ex-spouse is unmarried.
• Your ex-spouse is age 62 or older.
• The benefit that your ex-spouse is entitled to receive based on their own work is less than the benefit they would receive based on your work.
• You are entitled to Social Security retirement or disability benefits.

So if Amy were not to marry Chris, she'd be eligible for Matt's SS in the event of Matt's death, because they were married more than 10 years.  But she has to be unmarried to qualify.  She's only 56 now, so it's a moot discussion until she's 62.  Maybe by then, she and Chris will be divorced.

[EllaWycliffe]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

fter we’ve proven we’re right, what does that get us?   So, if Amy was wronged, she was wronged.  I’m not sure how that helps her moving forward in life. I mean, who wants pity?

Its called validation.

"Matt was wrong to cheat." is not the same as "We weren't in his shoes so it's bad but she's so terrible...."

The first is clear, the second very much implies Matt really wasn't wrong to cheat, he had valid reasons to do so, and Amy should have been a better wife and maybe he wouldn't have *needed* to violate their vows.

Sunnybebe - sometimes people need to hear "You didn't deserve to have your husband cheat on you, he shouldn't have cheated, period". When its couched in how poor precious Matt was so unhappy in his marriage, it's putting the blame on Amy because it was apparently her job to keep Matt happy and she failed cause no man cheats on a pleasing wife. Except that yes, men do cheat on wives who please. They just know they can blame their wives. 

Now I agree Amy shouldn't spend her life waiting for Matt to ever apologize. At the same time, I have no reason to accuse Amy of lying when she says Matt cheated. Particularly when I thought it was pretty obviously happening long before she clued in.

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Carrying grudges only hurts the one who carries it.  

This 100%.

[Adiba]

3 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Its called validation.

"Matt was wrong to cheat." is not the same as "We weren't in his shoes so it's bad but she's so terrible...."

The first is clear, the second very much implies Matt really wasn't wrong to cheat, he had valid reasons to do so, and Amy should have been a better wife and maybe he wouldn't have *needed* to violate their vows.

Sunnybebe - sometimes people need to hear "You didn't deserve to have your husband cheat on you, he shouldn't have cheated, period". When its couched in how poor precious Matt was so unhappy in his marriage, it's putting the blame on Amy because it was apparently her job to keep Matt happy and she failed cause no man cheats on a pleasing wife. Except that yes, men do cheat on wives who please. They just know they can blame their wives. 

Now I agree Amy shouldn't spend her life waiting for Matt to ever apologize. At the same time, I have no reason to accuse Amy of lying when she says Matt cheated. Particularly when I thought it was pretty obviously happening long before she clued in.

Right, Matt and Amy weren't "wrong" to get divorced, imo--but Matt was wrong to cheat. Full stop.

@SunnyBeBe I also feel there is a big difference in the way Matt feels about Chris versus the way Amy probably feels about Caryn. Matt and Chris were not friends before he and Amy started dating. Chris was not a long- time trusted employee of Matt, either. Imagine the comments here if it were the case that Amy cheated on Matt with a friend and employee (hypothetically the late Mike)?

I do agree that Amy should try to let go as much as she can--they say divorce is like a death--Amy may never completely get over it, but living well is the best revenge.

Edited May 13, 2021 by Adiba
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[EllaWycliffe]

A completely separate subject - I was highly amused that Matt's super dream house that he wants so bad had no decided on plan at this filming (over a year ago) and still hasn't been started.

And that Caryn was clearly a bit annoyed about it. 

[Joan of Argh]

I wouldn’t want to get married at an exes property but if Amy is comfortable with getting married on the farm then she should do so.

I find it confusing to remember if Amy still owns a portion of the farm because when they were sitting outside with Matt and Caryn ... Amy pointed out that she still owns a portion of the farm... so at that point when Matt suggested it she still owned part of the farm.

I realize that scene was filmed a while ago and maybe she sold the last portion that she owned since then, Do we know what Amy actually owns now?

[EllaWycliffe]

As of now, Matt owns the farm property totally while Amy's ownership in the business isn't clear. When this was filmed - late spring, early summer 2020, Amy still own half of the original farm property. Amy sold her remaining half to Matt in the summer/fall 2020. 

[Joan of Argh]

2 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

As of now, Matt owns the farm property totally while Amy's ownership in the business isn't clear. When this was filmed - late spring, early summer 2020, Amy still own half of the original farm property. Amy sold her remaining half to Matt in the summer/fall 2020. 

Oh ok, thanks 😊

I have a hard time keeping it all sorted out.

[EllaWycliffe]

No problem - they tend to intentionally obfuscate these things.

[Jeanne222]

On 5/12/2021 at 8:50 PM, Back Atcha said:

HOPEFULLY!   And was that a red herring--the offer of a wedding "venue" at one of Chris's best friends' beautiful home and property?  Although we saw those scenes first, were they really shot before Matt (Caryn?) made that "generous offer"?

The friend's property is probably "no cost" to Chris and Amy ... perhaps some cost to TLC. Would fans of this show (I'm not a fan) really enjoy seeing Matt butting into/delaying/running everyone's business if the event is scheduled at HIS farm? 

Amy might have slipped today during the chat with Lisa!

She was talking about the wedding and getting excited and said 'when they open the doors'! 

Sounds like something other than the farm!

[EllaWycliffe]

16 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

She was talking about the wedding and getting excited and said 'when they open the doors'! 

Sounds like something other than the farm!

I really hope that's the case. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I don’t know about why they might not have started on Matt’s dream home, but I was told that home supplies had increased and were continuing to increase....things like roofing materials, siding, etc.  This was when I got a new roof a couple of months ago. Or, maybe Matt is having second thoughts.  

Edited May 14, 2021 by SunnyBeBe

[Jeanne222]

I think if Matt really wanted that house it would be built!  He's up to something!

Some guesses.  Out of money.  Likes being king of the entire castle and land.  Still wants to move into the big house.

Wasn't Matt building a new home because Caryn didn't want to live in Amy's house?I

Caryn has him buying in Arizona and now wants a new house?  That would be three homes on the property.

I can see Matt in the big house and a caretaker in the little house.  Done!

[BrownBear2012]

On 5/12/2021 at 10:08 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ve never seen any cheating with an employee on the show, but if anything happened with Matt during the marriage, I would imagine it being more of an emotional affair.  That’s often more intimate than a physical one.  I’m glad that Matt and Amy seem to be with people they seem better suited to be with. 

Of course we didn't actually see the cheating...it was done off camera. Amy found out about their relationship from a note Caryn wrote him that was intimate and clearly not business related. 

[BrownBear2012]

On 5/10/2021 at 8:55 PM, Dustbunny said:

because she'd rather sit there and be bitchy 

RUN CHRIS...RUN!!! 🏃‍♂️

I only see her miserable and "bitchy" when she's forcd to be around Matt who seems to relish trolling her and stirring up shit. His whole  "let's rumble" bit was truly pathetic. 

[BrownBear2012]

14 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I think if Matt really wanted that house it would be built!  He's up to something!

Some guesses.  Out of money.  Likes being king of the entire castle and land.  Still wants to move into the big house.

Wasn't Matt building a new home because Caryn didn't want to live in Amy's house?I

Caryn has him buying in Arizona and now wants a new house?  That would be three homes on the property.

I can see Matt in the big house and a caretaker in the little house.  Done!

Matt will never leave the farm and will never hand it over to Zach. He'll be "training" Zach as a manager but will never fully incorporate him into the business end. Matt is a control freak and anyone that tries to "co-manage" with him is quickly shut down. He will buy things and make changes to the property without consultation...maybe this is why Jeremy didn't want be involved in this. Matt sees he can bully Zach or do stuff behind his back just the way he did with Amy. Caryn is just a useful idiot...and a gold digger.

[Back Atcha]

20 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

And that Caryn was clearly a bit annoyed about it. 

Wonder if Caryn will stick around if/when the show is cancelled.

[Back Atcha]

2 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

On 5/12/2021 at 7:08 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ve never seen any cheating with an employee on the show, but if anything happened with Matt during the marriage, I would imagine it being more of an emotional affair.  That’s often more intimate than a physical one.  I’m glad that Matt and Amy seem to be with people they seem better suited to be with. 

Of course we didn't actually see the cheating...it was done off camera. Amy found out about their relationship from a note Caryn wrote him that was intimate and clearly not business related. 

BOLDING is mine. Would this little cable show REALLY  feature cheating? If cheating had been shown on the show, ratings would have been through the roof.  I'm a sporadic watcher and even I knew there was cheating.  Matt=cheater, and gleeful.  Caryn= two-faced employee pretending to be friendly with Amy and family while screwing (yes!) Amy's husband.

Caryn's putting in her time--hard time; hope she ends up thinking it was worth it.

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Back Atcha

[Back Atcha]

2 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I only see her miserable and "bitchy" when she's forcd to be around Matt who seems to relish trolling her and stirring up shit. His whole  "let's rumble" bit was truly pathetic. 

Thanks, BrownBear...I agree.   Apparently TLC thinks Matt's antics are funny ... pretending to shoot her...wanting to rumble.  He gets meaner every season.  Amy's gone, Matt.  Give it a rest!  I'm anti-Caryn, but she's some kind of saint to put up with him.  (Amy: no more Matt invitations. WE don't need the harassment.)

[EllaWycliffe]

Matt's glee as he went "let's get ready to rumble" makes me think he was delighting in the idea of fucking with Amy to torment her in her own home. Matt clearly still devotes a lot of attention and head space to the ex... to where, no, I don't think Matt has moved on.

[BrownBear2012]

7 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Matt's glee as he went "let's get ready to rumble" makes me think he was delighting in the idea of fucking with Amy to torment her in her own home. Matt clearly still devotes a lot of attention and head space to the ex... to where, no, I don't think Matt has moved on.

He really is an annoying asshat. 

[BrownBear2012]

Was anyone else terrified by Jackson (3 yrs.old no less)  riding that scooter in the street and in front of the neighbors driveways??!!!!! OMG! I was thinking how dangerous it is for a toddler to be doing that let alone a toddler his size...a driver would never see him if they were backing out of the driveway. I swear, Zach and Tori are just the diziest parents I've ever seen. Lilah looks like she has a lot of physical challenges ahead of her...and Jackson too. 

[EllaWycliffe]

Eh, film crew watching and its a cul-de sac, if they're filming it then the kid has several adults watching.

[floridamom]

Since Amy is supposed to be so religious and Chris has never been married before, why aren't they getting married in a church? No need to search for a venue OR interact with Matt about it.

[EllaWycliffe]

41 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Since Amy is supposed to be so religious and Chris has never been married before, why aren't they getting married in a church? No need to search for a venue OR interact with Matt about it.

With respect, this also has costs . If a couple simply wants to be married by a pastor in church, my pastor will do it during our actual church services for free, but if you want the full blown walk down the aisle, bridesmaids, floral decorations, etc, that involves renting the sanctuary as a wedding venue.

Also not putting this one down to "Amy being cheap" or "Amy still secretly in love with Matt and wanting interaction" - at last check, last episode, Amy did not want the farm for her wedding. Frankly, Matt was rather grudgingly offering. This is obviously a TLC production twist.

[Mindthinkr]

Amy and Chris should just elope and then have a party afterwards at a place of their choosing. Either before or after their honeymoon. This seems to be the TLC storyline that they are pushing this year. (Wedding on the farm or not) I’m sure they are only going along with it so those paychecks will cash. 

[DonnaMae]

1 hour ago, floridamom said:

Since Amy is supposed to be so religious and Chris has never been married before, why aren't they getting married in a church? No need to search for a venue OR interact with Matt about it.

Maybe the churches in their area aren't allowing indoor weddings during the pandemic.  Too early to tell what will be available in August.

[Jeanne222]

I suspect a church is what they might chose. Her slip on the live with Lisa when she got excited about “when the doors open” makes me think it’s a church or venue other than the farm or she’s pranking  us!!!

Most churches in our area are having weddings. Limited participation at the church but sizable receptions after at a venue. 

[DonnaMae]

18 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Most churches in our area are having weddings. Limited participation at the church but sizable receptions after at a venue. 

Are you in Oregon?

[ginger90]

From what I found, as of May 5, 2021 there isn’t a specific wedding restriction guideline in Oregon. This is compiled using the general guidelines, and applying them. County risk levels are reevaluated every 2 weeks.

 

Oregon:

Edited May 15, 2021 by ginger90

[Back Atcha]

3 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Also not putting this one down to "Amy being cheap" or "Amy still secretly in love with Matt and wanting interaction" 

HaHA!  Good thing I haven't had anything to eat or drink yet (snort!).  Rather than "love," sometimes I detect a little Stockholm Syndrome.

[Irate Panda]

12 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Was anyone else terrified by Jackson (3 yrs.old no less)  riding that scooter in the street and in front of the neighbors driveways??!!!!! OMG! I was thinking how dangerous it is for a toddler to be doing that let alone a toddler his size...a driver would never see him if they were backing out of the driveway. I swear, Zach and Tori are just the diziest parents I've ever seen. Lilah looks like she has a lot of physical challenges ahead of her...and Jackson too. 

I wondered this too.  I was hoping if this were shot in a cul-de-sac that maybe the neighbors were aware of the filming so wouldn’t come out and move their cars, but if this is how Jackson normally rides his scooter, it’s very dangerous.   Then again we have Zach shoving Tori into a pool while holding Lilah so it’s not like this is the safest bunch.

[readheaded]

4 hours ago, floridamom said:

Since Amy is supposed to be so religious and Chris has never been married before, why aren't they getting married in a church? No need to search for a venue OR interact with Matt about it.

Maybe Chris isn’t religious. 

[ginger90]

Was it said on the show that Chris and Amy aren’t getting married in a church?

[EllaWycliffe]

6 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

wondered this too.  I was hoping if this were shot in a cul-de-sac that maybe the neighbors were aware of the filming so wouldn’t come out and move their cars, but if this is how Jackson normally rides his scooter, it’s very dangerous.  

His parents were watching him. Sometimes I feel like parents get judged all ways at once. If they were hovering and jogging along side and not letting him get out of arm's reach, they'd be hovering but the second they aren't within grabbing distance, its all super dangerous. I mean, I think it is a cul de sac, he was being supervised, someone was filming him, and he had a helmet on.

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Was it said on the show that Chris and Amy aren’t getting married in a church?

Not specifically, just that they are looking for a wedding venue. 

[Irate Panda]

27 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

His parents were watching him. Sometimes I feel like parents get judged all ways at once. If they were hovering and jogging along side and not letting him get out of arm's reach, they'd be hovering but the second they aren't within grabbing distance, its all super dangerous. I mean, I think it is a cul de sac, he was being supervised, someone was filming him, and he had a helmet on.

Not specifically, just that they are looking for a wedding venue. 

I do think it’s dangerous having a kid that small (height and age) zip by driveways, mostly because I don’t know he can be seen while people are backing out and at his age, I don’t know he gets to watch out for moving cars.  Other than that I don’t particularly judge what they do as parents, other than it’s probably not a great idea to push your wife in a pool while she’s holding your infant child or even if she weren’t holding your infant child.  YMMV of course.

[EllaWycliffe]

I just think he was clearly being supervised.

Not sure why the comment about the stupid pool scene is coming up but apparently it needs to be said that I don't approve of Zach pushing his wife while holding the baby or not. 

[Irate Panda]

2 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I just think he was clearly being supervised.

Not sure why the comment about the stupid pool scene is coming up but apparently it needs to be said that I don't approve of Zach pushing his wife while holding the baby or not. 

I’m not sure if this was referring to my pool comment, but I meant we just disagree about about the scooter incident, which is fine since we all have opinions.  I guess I should have put my ymmv after that part.  The reason I brought up the pool part was I was trying to think of the what I think was the only other time I judged them as a parent and I’m not even quite sure that part would qualify as judging the parenting since I don’t think Zach should  have pushed his wife in general, but I thought it was a worse since she was holding a baby.  I brought it up since I said in general I don’t judge them as parents. I wasn’t trying to imply you thought anything about that situation at all, so I apologize if that part came across that way.

[Jeanne222]

14 hours ago, DonnaMae said:

Are you in Oregon?

No!

[LucyEth]

Did anyone else catch when Amy and her man were walking the dog and talking that he said they looked up a house Matt had purchased to see if he was really flipping it.  I thought that was interesting.  

[Irate Panda]

Has Amy or Chris mentioned on the show if they will be living in Amy’s house when they get married or buying a new one together?

[EllaWycliffe]

Its a way to find out whats really going on.  Matt and "a straight answer" don't always go along. He likes to tease and drop hints and when it goes no where, he gets to laugh about how stupid people were to think he was doing x, y and z. Look at the property with the three wrecked houses that he was "flipping". All he did was clear the property and then sold it for about what he paid and people still go on about it. Or the house flip he did that took a year. Or the whole rigamorale where buying some chairs turns into "Matt is planning a large money making furniture venture" and then goes back to he just bought some chairs. Considering how the truth and Matt Roloff aren't generally friends, I'd be wary of any tale he told of house buying

Remember - Matt's the guy who bought a house in AZ (from Caryn's parents) in June, and pretended on TV until Christmas that he was still thinking about it. 

[LucyEth]

1 minute ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Its a way to find out whats really going on.

Is this in response to my post about them checking on the house flipping?  If it is why do they have to know what is going on?  Not their business.  

[DonnaMae]

11 minutes ago, Irate Panda said:

Has Amy or Chris mentioned on the show if they will be living in Amy’s house when they get married or buying a new one together?

Why would they do that?  She has customized the kitchen for her height and they have a beautiful back yard.  It wouldn't make sense for her to now sell it and start over.

[EllaWycliffe]

8 minutes ago, LucyEth said:

If it is why do they have to know what is going on?  Not their business.  

In fairness, its not OUR business either but people here do check Zillow to see Chris's sales, what the houses are selling for, how much Matt got for his flip. If it's not Chris's business to check up on Matt on Zillow and they have a vague work related knowledge of each other, is it really anyone's business? The information is out there, it's public, everyone has the option of going to look. 

Frankly, considering this is during a time where Matt and Amy were likely negotiating a large property sale,(the big house property) as Amy's fiance, it's absolutely Chris's business to make sure Matt's financial position is what he says it is. Nothing wrong with making sure a buyer's financial position is what they say it is. Checking on Zillow is perfectly legal and as I said, I don't think Matt is such an honest person that his word should be taken as holy writ.

Edited May 16, 2021 by EllaWycliffe

[LucyEth]

I understand everyone can look at everything it is all public and out there on the internet. “It’s a way to find out what’s really going on” makes it seem like Amy had a real stake in the house flipping.  I disagree about any of this being Chris’s business. Also, it was a simple observation.  I cannot continue to defend every post I make and I won’t.  

[AZChristian]

20 minutes ago, DonnaMae said:

Why would they do that?  She has customized the kitchen for her height and they have a beautiful back yard.  It wouldn't make sense for her to now sell it and start over.

Are we sure about that?  Last time I watched one of her "cooking" videos, it looked like she was still climbing up on step stools to get to the stove.  She does have an island where she does most of the filming, and it is cut down to a better height for her.  But it is freestanding and not an installed countertop.

[EllaWycliffe]

AzChristian - I think you're right - its the island that was customized. I'd still count that as kind of a big change. I also didn't get the impression they were planning on moving right away. Honestly it seems like a big house for just the two of them.