S12.E21: Live Show 5

[Drogo]

The semifinalists perform for a chance to win $1 million and be named the most talented act in America.

[Maverick]

 Mel B looks like she was dressed by the costume department from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.  I mean seriously, I keep looking for Twiki and Dr. Theopolis to show up  

 In honor of Will & grace returning, I have to pose this query to Colin:  "Honey, do you have moose and squirrel in there?"

[HowdyTV]

I am really confused by song choices for singers his season. They do not do themselves any favors. Most of the time, I can't hear what they are singing. At least the Air Force group picked a song I did know. Underwhelmed mostly this season..

[suebee12]

I lived in Sarasota for many, many years and I should be voting for the dog act but that was a huge hot mess. It was confusing and too much was going on. I guess that is why I love Hero and Loki!

Boy, did I enjoy Diavolo. That is an act I would love to see in person. This act was amazing.

And then there were the singers...lots of them!

[ketchuplover]

Best AGT show ever despite the dogs

[TJtrack99]

Tonight's list!

11. Pompeyo Family. Yeah, the dogs were all over the place. Probably just out of sorts (remember they're from south Florida), and being the Wild Card and all that.
10. Colin Cloud. So he accurately predicted the Tweet that Heidi "randomly" chose. I guess I just don't get it. Shouldn't have been saved if you ask me...
9. Diavolo. Same here, I guess maybe it looks cooler in person? Felt like it wasn't much we hadn't seen already...Cooler set pieces this time.
8a. Angelica Hale. It wasn't acoustic, but she didn't sing it normally either, it was in the middle. I kind of wished she had picked a side. Full ballad or dance/sing it like normal. Still, her laugh is great.
8b. Christian Guardino. I dunno, his first song has seemed like his best. This was better than last week, but still not as good as the first. Perhaps also shouldn't have been saved...
6. Celine Tam. Dang, I'm ready to write her off, and then: So I could still see her making it through. The song fit her really well due to the young singer!
5. Merrick Hanna. He's amazing, but again, was it much different from what he'd done before? The flying was. And kid is adorable.
4. Kechi. Great, as always. Such a pure voice.
3. In The Stairwell. Loved them on this song. Showcasing more of the guys too!
2. Light Balance. They are SO CREATIVE. I am super jealous. More creativity in 1 dude's pinky than in my entire existence. Just wow.
1. Mandy Harvey. Mainly because as she was finishing I legit said "She could do really well on 'Skyfall' or another Adele song" and then Simon said the same thing. So YAY ME! But seriously, she's amazing, and I loved the signing with the singing.

SO MANY of these people deserve a good break, to get a chance to showcase themselves. I hope they get to! I was tossing around in my head the idea of a supergroup made up of the 3 trillion singers on this show to make a song for hurricane relief efforts, but I guess the telethon before this sort of hit that already. But more doesn't hurt!

[suebee12]

15 minutes ago, TJtrack99 said:

11. Pompeyo Family. Yeah, the dogs were all over the place. Probably just out of sorts (remember they're from south Florida), and being the Wild Card and all that.

Actually they are from Sarasota which is on the southwest side of FL about 50 miles south of Tampa. Irma was supposed to have a direct hit there but she decided to move to the east so Sarasota dodged the bullet again! Some trees downed and loss of lots of electrical service but not real flooding!

[UncleChuck]

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SO MANY of these people deserve a good break, to get a chance to showcase themselves.

Seems to me that performing live before a national tv audience is a pretty substantial showcase.  Consider also, that most of these acts have been given that multi-million viewer audience 3 or 4 times now, and have had plenty of opportunity to be seen by booking agents .  Not everyone will be a superstar, but I imagine that anyone with real talent (singing, dancing or unicycle juggling) will find plenty of chances to make a good living from their exposure on AGT.

[silverspoons]

Did anyone else not get to see Diavolo ? I got the dogs twice? I saw the diavolo intro and they started and then it flashed to the dogs act again? I have NBC SLC and Vegas and it happened on both. I hope it was just me and others got to see them in full.  I was looking forward to their act to see what they came up with. 

My daughter was rooting for merrick but fears with his position going in the middle and not a wow performance he might leave. 

i also assume by the placement they want Angelica to go through over Celine? 

[CelticBlackCat]

AFAIC the bookend preteen singers can go.  The Pompeyo Family's performance had a few glitches and wasn't tight, but those dogs are so adorable.  I think it's just too much for the many dogs together on stage with the two adults and one child.  I didn't get Colin Cloud's act.  It's like it was a week-long set up with him having sneaked into places, putting signs up for some subliminal messages, etc.  I just don't believe he is really clairvoyant and there has to be some trick in there.  I think he's an interesting chap though.

I think Christian and Kechi should do a duet sometime!  They both have angelic voices.  Mandy Harvey was great also and she looked lovely.  I also liked the signing with the singing.  It made it so expressive.

For me Diavolo was about the same acrobatics/dancing act with different costumes and set.

I don't listen to Ed Sheeran so I didn't recognize In The Stairwell's song choice but they were delightful.

Merrick was the same thing again but with flying.  Light Balance is like watching a laser show for me.

[Vermicious Knid]

I'm calling it now, Disney will cast Celine as the young Mulan for the live action movie.

Dogs in penguin costumes. So. Freakin'. Cute. The act was kind of a mess but the doggies were adorable.

Light Balance was very cool as usual. After that routine I kind of want to watch their version of Starlight Express.

[Lonesome Rhodes]

I am not pleased that they positioned Angelica (pimp spot) to get the child singer spot over Celine, who opened the show.  They also did Celine wrong with another lower-register song which did not allow her to belt out.  The subdued audience reaction was precisely what they were hoping for.  So, too, the inevitable vote reduction.

I also call shenanigans on  acts being allowed an extension of their act, as opposed to the standard background package.  Colin's was egregious.  It was very well done, to be sure.  I really liked it.  But, it is unfair.  

The relatively easy choices to cut for me, mostly based on tonight's performances, were the doggies, Merrick, Ketchie, and bright lights (or whatever they are called).  I'd also cut the big male singer, but he did do a very good job tonight.  Mandy seemed to be significantly offkey in several places, as well.

Colin and Diavolo were the clear class of the night.  Wow.  This semi was much better, top to bottom, than last week.

One thing I've decided to enjoy as much as my favorite performers is how the jidges lie and misdirect.  Tonight was epic in that regard.  Mel went after song choice (to many voters this is code for "Don't vote.") and Simon instantly protested.  I'd bet anything that this was all a cover for him.  Ketchie was waaaay off in a few spots and Simon insisted this was her best performance.  The eyes of the other jidges belied that.  Each of them looked away and down.  They then all talked about everything but her performance (the less said, the better).

It's silly, but I laughed like crazy when Howie and Mel buzzed Tyra as she was getting the show off the air and imitating Angelica's melisma. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Lonesome Rhodes

[ProAc]

Wasn't expecting a whole lot heading into last nights show but frankly it was easily the better of the two semifinals. It's going to be very difficult to predict the top 5. My feelings are the dog act is gone. They already have a dog act and the one last night went off the rails badly. I'm not a big fan of either of the little girl singers. Unlike Darci they aren't ready for prime time. Mandy was amazing and she's a lock to get thru. Kechi sounded better than her other performances and I was slightly surprised by that. Colin Cloud is a neat concept but it gets way too convoluted along the way. I'm going to predict the top 5 just for fun. 

Mandy, Angelica, Diavolo, Kechi and Merrick. I pray they find a spot for Christian because I really love him. 

[Mr. Sparkle]

10 hours ago, Maverick said:

 Mel B looks like she was dressed by the costume department from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.  I mean seriously, I keep looking for Twiki and Dr. Theopolis to show up 

I will "like" any Buck Rogers reference. No questions asked. 

[LadyMustang65]

We thought last night's show was one of the best overall we've ever seen.  No one really flubbed badly.  At least we didn't think so.  The dog act had its glitches, but there was still enough content to be enjoyable, and dogs in costumes are adorable.  Probably the worst for us was Christian's cover.  We hated that so much.  Maybe because we both grew up on the original version, and we felt as though his version just stripped the song of most of its emotion.  It became a showpiece rather than a heartfelt song.  He has a lovely voice, but just nope on that version.  We didn't vote for either of these two this time around.

Best of the night for us was Mandy Harvey's song.  Oh my goodness that was just incredible.  That may be the best song ever done on this show.  Her voice was amazing, and we loved that she added the signing.  We also loved In the Stairwell.  We voted for both of them.

We thought Celine's performance was her best to date because she sang an age appropriate song.  Again didn't care for Angelica's song choice.  She just can't get the proper emotions behind it.  Didn't vote for either of them either.

Merrick was Merrick, and we think he's adorable, and we enjoy watching him, so he got votes.  So did Colin.  that was fun, and we can never figure out how people do that kind of thing.  But boy do I wish he'd comb his hair differently.  that's just bizarre!!!

We are still divided on Diavolo. I love them.  Hubs thinks they're too samey-samey.  But since I'm the one who actually bothers to vote, they got votes last night too.  We thought Kechi's been better.  Light Balance is more interesting now than when we first saw them.

We too laughed at Tyra being buzzed.  That was a cute send-off to the show.  What wasn't so cute was the extra pimping for Angelica.  <insert eye roll if I knew how to do it>  Speaking of Tyra, we thought she looked lovely last night, but we hated that dress.  I actually liked Mel B's hair but not her dress either.

[MissSunshine]

Alright as everyone mentioned, the show was much better than last weeks. I knew it would be from the acts, and I wish they would have switched some acts around so that the stinkers from last week would definitely be off without a doubt. 

Here's how I feel about last night's acts and then I'll get to who we voted for.

 

Light Balance- This is my favorite act by a LONG SHOT. I know there have been other light acts on this show in the past, but nothing like this. This is so intricate, detailed, creative, and sharp. I LOVE this act. 

Pompeyo Family- definitely not good enough to get through. They would have had to been outstanding, seeing as they didn't get the votes last time. Super cute dogs, but it was all over the place and Sara and Hero/Loki are more interesting in my opinion. 
Colin Cloud - I don't know I just can't get into him. Last week when he called out the girl in the audience telling her a dog bit her butt? It was obviously staged or she just went along with it. I find him fake. And that other magician earlier this season did a similar act to his last night with the "give me a place and what not and showing up on a television screen seeing me say it". Next.

Diavolo - I really like Diavolo. And Darci, Diavolo, and Light Balance are the only ones out of the group I'd pay to see live. There might be others, but if there are I can't think of them and that's not a good sign.  
Angelica Hale - I didn't like that she got the pimp spot. I thought she was good other times, but I don't want her pushed on me. And I thought Celine Tam was better for me this week
Christian Guardino - I thought he did a good job, but I fear people will forget about this performance. He's from my hometown of Patchogue and so I feel a bit of a connection to him. 
Celine Tam- I didn't enjoy her last time, but I did enjoy her tonight. She was age appropriate and sounded like a Disney soundtrack
Merrick Hanna - I just never thought he was a great dancer. I feel it's not that sharp and clean. Cute kid though and I feel for him. It's hard for me to see a kid go because I'm sure they take it super hard, not knowing this isn't really the end of their career. 
Kechi- I liked her a lot. I know she's off here and there, but her story really pulls my heart strings. I always end up almost in tears when she performs, along with another family member in my house that always tears up every time. I think she has definitely improved every week. 
In The Stairwell - I'm a sucker for these guys. They lead one is really cute!!! I'd might see them too live I think. Good singing, the dancing was a little too silly to me. I think they'd benefit from decent choreo
Mandy Harvey- I thought she did a good job. I would probably buy her music. Another family member loves her. '

Who got the votes? Light balance got the majority. Then one for In the Stairwell, one for Christian Guardino, and another family member voted a few times for Mandy Harvey and Diovolo

[JMarie99]

Geez I voted all over the place last night because I thought most of the acts were pretty darn good. Celine was much better than Angelica last night- of course I love that Moana song, but she sang it really well and as others have said it was age appropriate. Angelica sounded very "shouty" to me last night. 

I have a hard time separating Kechi from her backstory. She had me close to tears last night and I thought she sounded amazing. I'm sure the judges were correct in saying that she was off here and there, but I never noticed it because I was so caught up in the song and the emotion and the fact that she was singing it for her mom. 

Those Pompeyo dogs are just plain adorable. 

Only one I really didn't like was Colin Cloud. I don't know how he did it but I know it's a trick and I just don't care. And his personality really irks me for some reason. 

[piequinn35]

Love: Light Balance, Angelica, Celine, Diavolo, Mandy

Others: meh

[anthonyd46]

1 hour ago, JMarie99 said:

 

Only one I really didn't like was Colin Cloud. I don't know how he did it but I know it's a trick and I just don't care. And his personality really irks me for some reason. 

 

Its all over youtube if you are curious. 

In the stairwell and pompeyo I think are definitely out because of the competition they are against, but I'm having a hard time placing the other 9. 

3 go through, 3 in saves, 3 out between Celine, Colin, Christian, Merrick, Mandy, Diavolo, Kechi, Light Balance, and Angelica.

Colin and Christian have already been in the save choices with both winning the save. Have to think one if not both are there again. Colin did seem to wow the judges and audience so he might have pulled out, but I think Christian is probably in the 3 again if not out. Light Balance and Diavolo seem like locks, but is America going to put both of them through over some of the singers?

 

So I would say

Going Through: Light Balance, Diavolo, Celine, Angelica, Mandy (3 of these 5 go through, remaining is in save choices)

Save Candidates : Colin, Light Balance, Diavolo, Celine, Angelica, Mandy

Going home : In the stairwell, Pompeyo, Christian

I'm not sure where to place Merrick and Kechi. I think there is too much competition for them to both be in the save choices, but I wouldn't be surprised. I just think Colin got a lot better reaction plus his youtube following makes him at least up for the save choices. Then since not all 5 of LB, Diavolo, Celine, Mandy and Angelica can go through on votes at least two of them needs to be in the save choices. So that really doesn't leave a spot left for Kechi and Merrick anywhere. Too much competition.  

Edited September 13, 2017 by anthonyd46

[piequinn35]

Here you go:

[Frankenstein123]

11. Pompeyo Family Dogs - This was less of an act and more of a comedy sketch involving a family trying to catch escaped zoo animals. The presentation was good as always, but somehow Sara has managed to show us much more variety and many more tricks with just 2 dogs than these guys have with 10 times more. I still kinda find them fun, but this was just chaos, chaos we have already seen before.

10. In The Stairwell - Still kinda fun, but I kept thinking how much better the whole thing would be if they added The Singing Trump to the frontline.

9. Celine Tam - Between the poor location in the running order, the lackluster comments and the lack of a standing ovation (even Yoli got one) Celine seems like one of the few singers the show actually wants to get rid of. I can't get over the feeling she's been groomed to be the perfect beauty pageant contestant, one who must smile at ALL times and say thank you even if she has no clue what the judges just said. That intro package involving his fathers relaxing in a swimming pool due to his daughters success might have been the most honest thing we have seen in one of those in a WHILE.

8. Christian Guardino - Still like his voice, still find him boring.

7. Kechi - This was probably my favourite song choice of hers and although it wasn't a perfect performance, I feel she's one of the very few contestants who has gotten better on stage each time.

6. Angelica Hale - Round 2 of the diva-sing-off goes to Angelica once more. She's a natural on stage and I can only imagine what she might sound like once she grows up. She just needs to stay away from ANYTHING Celine's dad wants to give her.

5. Merrick Hanna - As charming as ever, although the moves are starting to blend into one now and somewhere along the line Merricks storylines have gotten a bit lost in the spectacle. I still very much enjoy what he does, but he needs to focus on the "story" part of his act a bit more to continue to stand out.

4. Mandy Harvey - I still have her last song stuck in my head, which is odd considering how simple it really was. Jazz is very near and dear to my heart so I'm glad she went in that direction this time and my god is she a good performer. In fact I've grown to like her so much I actually checked out her album on spotify, which is probably the highest praise I can give since that RARELY happens with other singers on this show.

3. Colin Cloud - Colin finally stopped letting Mel B do his hair and his performance got much less confusing as a result. This was a rather simple tricks (a variation of it we saw performed by Tom "I wish I was brought back like Steven Brundage" London) presented in a very clever and humorous way that took full advantage of the kind of production this show allows. Everything was spot on this time and it was nice to see Colin back in full form after the meandering performance he gave last time.

2. Diavolo - I could easily see these guys being guests on a results show rather than just contestants. I do sometimes get bored with acrobatic acts as it's like trying to keep track of a rotating ant farm, but these guys make it work perfectly, with creativity and fluidity each week.

1. Light Balance -I like how they come up with a new theme and costumes each time we see them, it keeps things fresh and they know exactly how to balance the dancing with the effects, it's just a TON of fun to watch. SIGN ME UP FOR THOSE TICKETS.

This was one of the strongest shows the entire season. I thought seeing these performances might make predicting the results easier, but no...they really don't, apart from the Pompeyo Family every act gave it their all and did the best they could.

If I have to start naming names, then Pompeyo is easily the first we can eliminate. I still fear In The Stairwell a little bit due to their "AMERICA!!!!" patriotism appeal, but realistically I can't see them beating enough acts to make it to the top 6.

Mandy should make it to the top 3 along with Angelica and Colin stepped it up enough to where I can see him making it through as well, even if he's not in the top 3. Anything could happen with the rest of the acts, but my gut tells me Diavolo is going to be sacrificed this time around. Light Balance should at least make the dunkin save and claw their way out of there. That leaves Merrick, Kechi and Celine. Celine has the most views and likes on social media out of anyone this semi, but it's hard to tell if those are just coming from people from her home country that can't vote anyways. I'll just have to trust my gut I suppose...

11. Pompeyo Family Dogs

10. Christian Guardino

9. Diavolo

8. In The Stairwell

7. Kechi

6. Merrick Hanna (loses judges choice)

5. Light Balance (win judges choice)

4. Celine Tam (wins dunkin save)

3. Colin Cloud

2. Mandy Harvey

1. Angelica Hale

 

I haven't got a bloody clue though, I'm not confident about ANY of this and can think of at least 15 different ways this could end with and they all seem plausible. It's going to be interesting...

[Whimsy]

Tyra Banks was HORRIBLE.  She couldn't remember names or continuously pronounced them wrong.  She needs to go.  She cannot do live.  Or recorded. Or anything.

I like Colin.  He never said he was clairvoyant.  Those were the annoying people from last year who were so annoying in their "we met and it just happened" crap.  He said straight from the beginning that he was using other techniques for a lot of his tricks- like Sherlock Holmes.  Even seeing how he did the trick from last night didn't take away from the illusion.  He's an illusionist and I like him.

I've always liked In the Stairwell and I loved that they were in their dress uniforms but I didn't know or like that song.

I really, really liked Mandy Harvey.  It's so amazing to me that she can hit all of those notes being deaf.

[anthonyd46]

I want to put both Light balance and Diavolo in the 5 to go through, but as you said it feels like one of them is going to be sacrificed which Diavolo leaning towards that. I just cannot see BOTH of them making it over all these singers. The only choice they really have is if one of them is in the top 3 and the other is the dunkin save/judge choice pick. I can't see both in the top 3, nor both be the save/judge choice either. I'm pretty confident in Pompeyo, Stairwell, and Christian being gone though.

Edited September 13, 2017 by anthonyd46

[saber5055]

Was anyone else staring at Tyra's see-through crotch throughout this episode? Anyone? No? Just me? Alrighty then ... That's all I could see, so I missed anything else being said or shown when that crotch was on screen. That was a dress totally inappropriate for a family show. It was a bigger disaster than those adorable penguin dogs.

[SnarkyTart]

56 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

Was anyone else staring at Tyra's see-through crotch throughout this episode? Anyone? No? Just me? Alrighty then ... That's all I could see, so I missed anything else being said or shown when that crotch was on screen. That was a dress totally inappropriate for a family show.

Yeah. I admit I spent way too much time being distracted with what was going on there.  I finally settled on the idea that she was wearing a flesh-toned unitard under the dress and that helped a little bit with trying not to watch it.  A little bit.  Tyra's really a hot mess on this show and America should vote her out. 

I very much enjoyed Diavolo and Mandy Harvey.  Beyond that, I don't much care who gets cut tonight.  If forced to choose between the two little girl singers, I'd say Angelica Hale.  As for who, imo, definitely needs to go home now, it would be: Pompeyo, Christian, Colin and Merrick.  Everyone else was middle of the pack for me.

[crazycatlady58]

3 hours ago, saber5055 said:

Was anyone else staring at Tyra's see-through crotch throughout this episode? Anyone? No? Just me? Alrighty then ... That's all I could see, so I missed anything else being said or shown when that crotch was on screen. That was a dress totally inappropriate for a family show. It was a bigger disaster than those adorable penguin dogs.

Yes, I cannot decide if I do not  like her clothes  because  I am old and sort of prudish  or they or just bad.

Edited September 13, 2017 by crazycatlady58

[CelticBlackCat]

@piequinn35: Thanks for posting the video directly on here.  I found something on YT but it was different and boring.  This vid is cool and I like the music on it too!  I did believe that it was a magician's trick and not really clairvoyance at play but didn't even think of the post-editing, etc.

[CelticBlackCat]

I'm sure Ty Ty was all covered up with a flesh-toned unitard or something and wardrobe wouldn't have let there be a "wardrobe malfunction" on AGT, but the dress was horrible, especially for this type of show.  I'm sick of all the see-through look-at-my-undewear fashions.  None of it exudes class.  That gown would have been amazing if it was all one fabric with maybe the sleeve see-through.

[rr2911]

I haven't had much success in predicting the outcomes of these contestants but I think I can predict that only one dog act will be in the finals.

Acts that I think will be eliminated:

11. The Pompeyo Family - I felt sorry for them because they had a second chance and they blew it! They seemed unprepared and their dogs unresponsive. I thought I was watching Sara and Hero all over again..lol! The difference between Sara and Hero, and The Pompeyo Family is TPF have more dogs and less margin of error.

10. Merrick Hanna - I'm guessing he has lasted this long because people are afraid if he gets eliminated then he'll become depressed and in turn will probably grow up into a mass murderer! Seriously though, Derrick does the same moves every time. I've seen other kids perform better. I actually think the flying part will hurt him. It didn't make sense with his story, at least for me it didn't.

 9. Angelica Hale - When the competition toughens, sometimes people crack under the added pressure. Well Angelica I think cracked a little, and a little crack could turn into a huge hole especially when you have Celine Tam in the mix. Angelica was shouty throughout her song in my opinion. Even though she had the pimp spot, I don't think she advances to the finals.

 8. Christian Guardino - He has a good smooth voice but nothing special. Nothing stands out. Quite boring actually. Not a good song choice.

 7. Colin Cloud - I think he took a step back again. The trick took too long to develop and anything with a video usually makes me think the judges were in on this trick.

 6. In The Stairwell - I like these guys. I think they sound great and even their goofy dancing which I think they know it's not good dancing is ok with me because it's telling everyone that they are just a bunch of regular guys having a good time. However, I do think they'll fall short.

 

Acts I think will make it to the finals:

 5. Kechi - I'm just keeping things real here people, but along with a good voice, what's propelling Kechi to the finals is her backstory. It might also be her downfall for not winning AGT. I was hoping she would sing something unrelated to her accident. Maybe an upbeat song. A change of pace. Is every song going to be about her mom or her accident?

 4. Mandy Harvey - This very pretty singer does have a sexy voice, very smooth and Adele like. Like Kechi, I would've liked for her to sing something upbeat. Show us she can sing something else.

 3. Diavolo - These guys are amazing! But it would've been nice for them to do other types of acrobatics. Are they always coming out of some huge prop all the time? I think they're good for this competition but still a question mark whether they can carry a whole show.

 2. Celine Tam - I had her the best of the night until another act showed up or rather lit up! Celine was far better than Angelica. Great song choice that gave me goose bumps. She didn't try to "Mariah Carey" the song like Angelica did. She stayed within her age.

 1. Light Balance - These guys are amazing! Great dancing! Great music choice! I would definitely pay to see this show. These guys will have their own show regardless if they win or not. It will be close but I still think Darci has the edge.

 

Good job by Tyra Banks!

I'm hoping The Spice Girls will reunite and tour the world so MelB will have no time to judge AGT!

 

          

[MissSunshine]

3 hours ago, Frankenstein123 said:

4. Mandy Harvey - I still have her last song stuck in my head, which is odd considering how simple it really was. Jazz is very near and dear to my heart so I'm glad she went in that direction this time and my god is she a good performer. In fact I've grown to like her so much I actually checked out her album on spotify, which is probably the highest praise I can give since that RARELY happens with other singers on this show.

Mandy Harvey already has an album? Looks like she has a few on Itunes already. See I don't think this is fair. The show should be about finding NEW talent. 

[silverspoons]

I think  these days judges on some of these shows are there more for self promotion then really being vested in judging and mentoring. Mel B  with these crazy outfits and a new hair color everyday makes you look focus on her. I don't follow The Voice much these days but I do hear about who is judging, the show gets big name judges but I haven't heard much from winners (one was on that food truck race last week is the most I've heard lately). 

What made American idol great is we got Simon, an industry expert willing to be blunt. I don't think he was well known in many households before American idol, but people watched for him. AGT has Simon for the music industry background. Mel B for having a music career? Heidi for ? And Howie for comedians, which AGT doesn't have enough of. If Howie is a successful comedian and one of the most popular Vegas acts are comedians , why not have many more comedians audition and have Howie mentor. Better then him stumbling through his music reviews. I also think AGT could find another Simon that scouts for Cir de Soil type Vegas shows. I'm sure there has to be some large personality type doing this job in Vegas. 

 

They need to stop saying the shows premise is getting a show in Vegas. It is a 2 day show and it contains many acts not just the winner. It needs to either say we are a talent show, in which kids like merrick fit the bill, have a great talent and get to show it off on tv or say we are looking for Vegas shows and only have acts that would work in Vegas like comedians , magicians, acrobatic acts and older meaning 16+ singers. 

 

As for tonight I think Angelica, in the stairwell, diavolo, Mandy and Kechi. I think in the stairwell will be saved. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by silverspoons

[Frankenstein123]

27 minutes ago, MissSunshine said:

Mandy Harvey already has an album? Looks like she has a few on Itunes already. See I don't think this is fair. The show should be about finding NEW talent. 

The show probably SHOULD be about that, but it's never outright claimed it's for amateurs only. The other problem is that if we start disregarding acts with previous experience/success we are pretty much only left with mirror image.

Billy and Emily already have a show in las Vegas as part of a larger group, Diavolo has been around for 25 years and have toured all around the world and worked with Cirqu Du Soleil, Bello Nock was the face of Ringling Bros circus and is similarly famous around the world, Colin Cloud is a member of The Illusionists and tours the world, Sara & Hero have appeared on numerous TV shows and have won a TON of awards, the guy behind The Singing Trump has been an impressionist and an actor well over a decade now and has his own show in Las Vegas, Eric Jones has been part of some of the biggest magic tours in the country and has deals with big companies like Coca-Cola, Oscar Hernandez is a trained coreographer who has worked with acts like Flo Rida, Darci has appeared in various TV shows before and does this professionally, Evie Clair has songs out on spotify and amazon and has even recorded songs for movies, Celine was VERY well known in her home country before AGT, same with Damian, even Angelica has performed in Las Vegas already.

You can find similar stuff for all the rest of the acts, at this point it's a way for these acts to gain popularity, because as experienced and successful as they already are most of them still aren't exactly household names. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Frankenstein123

[piequinn35]

19 minutes ago, Frankenstein123 said:

The show probably SHOULD be about that, but it's never outright claimed it's for amateurs only. The other problem is that if we start disregarding acts with previous experience/success we are pretty much only left with mirror image.

Lol, I was worried that mirror image would get the WC and not Pompeyo. >:D

[anthonyd46]

After thinking about this more I'm going with Light Balance, Angelica, Mandy. Then Colin, Merrick, and Celine for DS with Celine winning that and then a split 2-2 judges choice with colin winning the tiebreaker. Frankensteins point about Diavolo being the sacrifice makes sense and they don't have many likes at all on youtube. The judge choice sacrifice being Merrick makes a load of sense because he seems to be a judges favorite, but I think the judges were really impressed with Colin last night. I just can't see both LB and Diavolo being chosen by america to move on since they are both group acts and LB doubled the amount of likes Diavolo has on youtube and with the judges being in love with both acts I would think if one was in the judges choice they would be selected. Just seems so like Siro-A in the semi finals it never made it to the judges or the save once the semi finals hit.

Edited September 13, 2017 by anthonyd46

[silverspoons]

Tonight's thread is locked still, dunkin save is open for those on the west coast. Kechi, diavolo , and Colin. 

[Lava VaVoom]

My enjoyment of this show is tanking.  The phoniness of the acts backstage watching their competitors and squealing with delight at how well they're doing.  Tyra Banks, whom I previously liked, and her ham-handed hosting and pseudo hip-hop attitude.  (And can we please stop with the silly is-it-or-isn't-it-her-crotch posts?)  Mel screeching "whut joost 'APPENED!"  Children with their entire careers in front of them whining about how "this is my DREAM!"  The lure of a million dollars - paid out over 40 years.  I enjoyed this much more early in its run when people like Howard Stern and Piers Morgan were the judges.

[silverspoons]

19 minutes ago, Lava VaVoom said:

My enjoyment of this show is tanking.  The phoniness of the acts backstage watching their competitors and squealing with delight at how well they're doing.  Tyra Banks, whom I previously liked, and her ham-handed hosting and pseudo hip-hop attitude.  (And can we please stop with the silly is-it-or-isn't-it-her-crotch posts?)  Mel screeching "whut joost 'APPENED!"  Children with their entire careers in front of them whining about how "this is my DREAM!"  The lure of a million dollars - paid out over 40 years.  I enjoyed this much more early in its run when people like Howard Stern and Piers Morgan were the judges.

I miss Jerry Springer hosting, he was kind to the acts and you didn't have to worry his clothing choices!  

I enjoyed Tyra on ANTM but I don't think she is meant for live tv. I also wonder who is picking her clothes? On her talk show and the apprentice she was dressed nicely but modestly. Now she is a mom and I'm watching her having to make sure her dress is on right so we don't get a glimpse of something we aren't suppose to. 

[saber5055]

Lava Va Voom said: "And can we please stop with the silly is-it-or-isn't-it-her-crotch posts?" And I say: While I knew Tyra wasn't going to have a "wardrobe malfunction," that didn't stop me from staring at her crotch each and every time her see-through dress was shown on national tv, larger than life on a giant HDTV. If I'm not suppose to be posting about that, then don't keep flashing it in my face, show. I watch AGT to see and hear the acts, which I couldn't due to competition from the crotch-flashing distraction. YMMV, of course.

[Drogo]

[MissSunshine]

20 hours ago, Lava VaVoom said:

My enjoyment of this show is tanking.  The phoniness of the acts backstage watching their competitors and squealing with delight at how well they're doing.  Tyra Banks, whom I previously liked, and her ham-handed hosting and pseudo hip-hop attitude.  (And can we please stop with the silly is-it-or-isn't-it-her-crotch posts?)  Mel screeching "whut joost 'APPENED!"  Children with their entire careers in front of them whining about how "this is my DREAM!"  The lure of a million dollars - paid out over 40 years.  I enjoyed this much more early in its run when people like Howard Stern and Piers Morgan were the judges.

omg its paid out over 40 years?!

23 hours ago, Frankenstein123 said:

The show probably SHOULD be about that, but it's never outright claimed it's for amateurs only. The other problem is that if we start disregarding acts with previous experience/success we are pretty much only left with mirror image.

Billy and Emily already have a show in las Vegas as part of a larger group, Diavolo has been around for 25 years and have toured all around the world and worked with Cirqu Du Soleil, Bello Nock was the face of Ringling Bros circus and is similarly famous around the world, Colin Cloud is a member of The Illusionists and tours the world, Sara & Hero have appeared on numerous TV shows and have won a TON of awards, the guy behind The Singing Trump has been an impressionist and an actor well over a decade now and has his own show in Las Vegas, Eric Jones has been part of some of the biggest magic tours in the country and has deals with big companies like Coca-Cola, Oscar Hernandez is a trained coreographer who has worked with acts like Flo Rida, Darci has appeared in various TV shows before and does this professionally, Evie Clair has songs out on spotify and amazon and has even recorded songs for movies, Celine was VERY well known in her home country before AGT, same with Damian, even Angelica has performed in Las Vegas already.

You can find similar stuff for all the rest of the acts, at this point it's a way for these acts to gain popularity, because as experienced and successful as they already are most of them still aren't exactly household names. 

Dang thank you that spreads a lot of light on things to me. I won't feel so bad when they get kicked off :)

[piequinn35]

Is AGT the only talent show that pays 1M over 40 years? I think the winner has a choice  if lump sum or 40 years, if lump sum the net would be like $650k because of tax. if 40 years it is less tax but hello the value of money in 40 years?

[4leafclover]

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I still fear In The Stairwell a little bit due to their "AMERICA!!!!" patriotism appeal,

You "fear" their patriotism appeal???

[Frankenstein123]

14 hours ago, 4leafclover said:

You "fear" their patriotism appeal???

I was talking about the results, I "feared" that they would steal a spot from someone more worthy simply due to their spoiler appeal as a military group. We've seen similarly mediocre singing acts on this show make it very far simply due to their backstories.

[helenamonster]

I thought this was Celine Tam's best performance. The song was age appropriate and she killed it (also I love Moana).

The cheesy choreography with In The Stairwell...it hast to stop. I know they're like "in on the joke" or whatever now but if I cringe any harder I'm gonna pull something.

Merrick Hanna is still one of my favorites for the season, even if the act was starting to get a little repetitive. He did great with the flying bit, came off as a total natural!

I don't know how I can love Sara and Hero and utterly despise the Pompeyo Family but here we are! Is it that the parents are kinda smug? Is it that there are too many dogs and it's so chaotic? Is it that they do the same tricks every time? I don't know but they rub me the wrong way.

[Parker]

I wasn't available to write this here before the results show, but this is what I wrote before I knew what happened.

What a lot of talent on this show.   This is going to be tough.   Someone good is going to home.

Hard to believe that Angelica or Mandy would go home.   Also, the Pompeyo dogs and Colin are in trouble.

With so many singers in the group and they can all sing, the only way to judge is them by performance, song choice and did it move me....

The ratings as I saw it...

11.  The Pompeyo Dogs...everyone wants to like dogs and say nothing bad about them,  but this was a mess.  They were longshots to get through with a good performance, but they sealed their fate with this one.

10.  Colin Cloud...I'm over Colin acting like he has supernatural powers.  He is doing magic tricks and there was only one trick in that act.

9.  In The Stairwell....didn't move me and just reminds of the old barbershop quartets from the past. 

8.  Merrick Hanna....Not his best performance, but it was good, but not enough to advance in this field.

7.  Christian Guardino...really good, but not moving.

6.  Light Balance...visually stunning, and a lot of fun.

5.  Kechi....The girl can sing and is moving.  Didn't think it was her best performance.

4.  Celine Tam....the little girl continues to impress.

3.  Diavolo....Most original act of the year.   Might be a longshot to win it all against the singers.

2.  Angelica Hale....the girl just might have the best voice this year.  

1.  Mandy Harvey...her best performance.   Might upset the favorites in the final.

 

I think my top 5 will get through, with LB, Christian or Merrick with a chance to sneak into the top 5.   I would be stunned if ITS, Colin or the dogs made it to the top 5. 

[Parker]

On ‎9‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 2:51 AM, Lonesome Rhodes said:

I am not pleased that they positioned Angelica (pimp spot) to get the child singer spot over Celine, who opened the show.  They also did Celine wrong with another lower-register song which did not allow her to belt out.  The subdued audience reaction was precisely what they were hoping for.  So, too, the inevitable vote reduction.

This presupposes a conspiracy theory.   The order is randomly picked.  The show has no interest in who goes through.  And they don't pick the song. 

If you have evidence of any of this, please provide it.

On ‎9‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 2:51 AM, Lonesome Rhodes said:

 Mel went after song choice (to many voters this is code for "Don't vote.") and Simon instantly protested.  I'd bet anything that this was all a cover for him.

To what end would the judges do this?   They have no stake in who wins.

[Lonesome Rhodes]

4 hours ago, Parker said:

This presupposes a conspiracy theory.   The order is randomly picked.  The show has no interest in who goes through.  And they don't pick the song. 

If you have evidence of any of this, please provide it.

To what end would the judges do this?   They have no stake in who wins.

There have been many interviews over the  years as to producer placement being intentional, be it 19E (American Idol) or SYCO (AGT).  Most, if not all, of the acts' narratives are similarly set and manipulated by TPTB.  The show is almost, but not quite, entirely scripted.

Nothing takes priority over the image of the jidges.  They are the constant and they are the most expensive piece of "reality competition" shows.  In watching this particular sequence, it was quite clear to me that Mel was the designated "bad guy" who spouted nonsense.  This served to give the others, Simon especially, an opportunity to protest and be seen as the "nice" one(s).  It happens all the time.  The clue is to watch the baddie-designee right after the act finishes.  This does not apply to obviously bad acts/performances.  No guilt is displayed on anyone's faces nor in their body language if an act simply blew it.

A neighbor of mine in L.A. was a producer in the genre.  He showed me a few outlines which were quite specific as to what was wanted.  He explained some of the techniques used to ensure desired outcomes.  One favorite was to announce a false order of votes in order to motivate the audience to support an act "in danger."  He did say he was unaware of an outright fraud when it came to an elimination.  

Believe or not.  Your choice.

[Parker]

On ‎9‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 11:42 PM, Lonesome Rhodes said:

There have been many interviews over the  years as to producer placement being intentional, be it 19E (American Idol) or SYCO (AGT).  Most, if not all, of the acts' narratives are similarly set and manipulated by TPTB.  The show is almost, but not quite, entirely scripted.

Nothing takes priority over the image of the jidges.  They are the constant and they are the most expensive piece of "reality competition" shows.  In watching this particular sequence, it was quite clear to me that Mel was the designated "bad guy" who spouted nonsense.  This served to give the others, Simon especially, an opportunity to protest and be seen as the "nice" one(s).  It happens all the time.  The clue is to watch the baddie-designee right after the act finishes.  This does not apply to obviously bad acts/performances.  No guilt is displayed on anyone's faces nor in their body language if an act simply blew it.

A neighbor of mine in L.A. was a producer in the genre.  He showed me a few outlines which were quite specific as to what was wanted.  He explained some of the techniques used to ensure desired outcomes.  One favorite was to announce a false order of votes in order to motivate the audience to support an act "in danger."  He did say he was unaware of an outright fraud when it came to an elimination.  

Believe or not.  Your choice.

Nope, that is still anecdotes.  

There has been plenty of conspiracy always talked about over the internet, but I have never seen anyone with a show say they conspired to get an outcome.

The question still remains...why would anyone with the show do this?   The show's number one reason is to make money and have a big audience, not get involved in motivating the audience in sneaking ways.   And how does that get a bigger audience?

The judges don't need to conspire.  They can give their opinion who they like and don't like.