S09.E21: Reunion Part 2

[film noire]

6 hours ago, ChitChat said:

LuAnn's storyline was her relationship and subsequent marriage to Tom.  She broadcast that loud and clear!  

Luann refused to answer questions about the inner workings of her marriage and was endlessly criticized for it.  Luann refuses to answer how she voted and nobody's supposed to say a word. It's all fodder, imo.

3 hours ago, snarts said:

There's a reason we vote behind curtains and put our completed ballot in a folder, and were raised not to discuss politics (or religion) in the workplace.  

I find this such a puzzling defense since reality tv *is* their workplace, and the job demands that these women endlessly (and loudly and often obscenely) discuss things like religion, sex, politics -- it's like arguing a porn star has a guaranteed right to refuse to discuss sex in interviews because it's too private an act -- if you really feel that way, stop fucking for a living : ) 

And since political events are not new on the franchise  (they had an episode about marching for marriage equality a few years ago) and this year, the election was part of the show's overall storyline, they can't pretend to be shaken and surprised they were asked about this election - or surprised that people are drawing negative conclusions about them, based on their refusal to answer. 

Edited August 26, 2017 by film noire

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, DelicateDee said:

Well, now that people on here know (or think they know) where all the ladies stand politically, does it make your enjoyment of the show and them more likeable, less likeable or neutral?  Did the exposing of this info make you respect them any better or less?  For me, I'm neutral.  While I don't like where some of them stand politically (or where some MAY stand politically), I'll still be watching and snarking.  The only character I wouldn't care if they got rid of is Sonja.  She kinda bores me.  And as one who likes Bethenny and thinks she is the smartest of the bunch, it was disappointing to read that she was a Bernie supporter at first (per a poster on here, not verified).  That's a major downgrade to me.  ??

Bethenny said in response to Andy's question that she really didn't like anyone on the ballot so she voted for HRC, which more than likely means that she was a BS supporter. That said, I could care less who they voted for.

8 minutes ago, film noire said:

Luann refused to answer questions about the inner workings of her marriage and was endlessly criticized for it.  Luann refuses to answer how she voted and nobody's supposed to say a word. It's all fodder, imo.

I find this such a puzzling defense since reality tv *is* their workplace, and the job demands that these women endlessly (and loudly and often obscenely) discuss things like religion, sex, politics -- it's like arguing a porn star has a guaranteed right to refuse to discuss sex in interviews because it's too private an act -- if you really feel that way, stop fucking for a living : ) 

And since political events are not new on the franchise  (they had an episode about marching for marriage equality a few years ago) and this year, the election was part of the show's overall storyline, they can't pretend to be shaken and surprised they were asked about this election - or surprised that people are drawing negative conclusions about them, based on their refusal to answer. 

I could care less who voted for who, on this show or in real life, people vote the way it fits their life at that moment. How these women voted doesn't change my opinion about them even if they chose a different candidate or the same as I did. Yes, it is up for discussion in how it reflects on their behavior on the show but I don't think we can assume those that didn't share voted for Trump nor does it indicate why they voted for him if in fact they did.

[Chit Chat]

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So, much like Carole keeps bringing up anal sex "all the time" and it turned out to be only 3 or 4 times total, not that many times for Bethenny as well, I'm guessing.

Having watched Bethenny for many, many years, she has a history of making conversations about herself.  It's not limited to the RHONYC show.  She's always been the one that other people have to console about her problems.  Not that I'm unsympathetic, but jeez, it gets old after a while.   I worked with a young lady kind of like that.  Yes, she had some problems, but she became the "Eeyore" of the office.  Woe is me.   I guess Bethenny doesn't get tired of talking about herself.    She's lucky to have as many friends as she does with whom she can lean on.  Mr. Chat and I are somewhat loners (outside of work,) so sharing my problems with people isn't something I do.  Good for her that she's got people who will listen to her.   FWIW, she's been complaining about Jason since she married him.  That marriage was doomed from the start.  I remember her sitting around and complaining to her assistant about everything.   Again, I do have sympathy if Jason is as bad as she says he is.  That's not a good way to live. Hopefully Bryn will be okay. 

[biakbiak]

32 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny said in response to Andy's question that she really didn't like anyone on the ballot so she voted for HRC, which more than likely means that she was a BS supporter. That said, I could care less who they voted for.

I wouldnt draw that conclusion given she maxed out on her personal donations to HRC during the primary and didn't donate to Bernie.

[BBHN]

Ok, but how many times did she bring up the subject of Jason on the show this season?

[sasha206]

47 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Ok, but how many times did she bring up the subject of Jason on the show this season?

57.5 times.

[BBHN]

Wow, almost as many times as Luann brought up Palm Beach lol

[ButterQueen]

On 8/25/2017 at 3:36 PM, film noire said:

You're a private citizen, not a public personality working in a genre of tv where every facet of your life is the *subject matter* of the show.

They don't get to lower their dainty skirts around their suddenly oh-so-private ankles.  When you've happily pimped out everything else in return for cash in your tacky knockoff bag, you don't get the assumption of privacy (about anything) that private citizens do.  You don't get to act as if that's just the expected play ("Of course politics is off the table! I will discuss my shell of a marriage under that table - anal sex on top of that table -- and snapping fingers at the help to serve me at that table -- but how I voted? How very dare you, sir!") 

And if you try to play that privacy card, the audience has have every right to snark, speculate and draw conclusions about your willingness to discuss literally everything else under the sun, except how you voted. 

I agree with this so much.  They defend so many of their stupid actions, why not take the chance to defend something that really matters.  I loved how Dorinda just put it all out there and why.  Ramona, Sonja and Lu, with their coy smiles, can fuck right off.  

[Lemons]

On 8/25/2017 at 4:30 PM, Mozelle said:

I can't embed the tweet but here's the picture she shared...

I'm sure the guy behind her really appreciates having his picture all over the internet. (sarcasm).  

[Chit Chat]

4 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

why not take the chance to defend something that really matters.

Maybe they didn't give a shit.   I know I don't give a shit as to how they felt about it.  It doesn't affect my life one iota how they feel about anything.  I watch this show for the clusterfuckness  (probably not a word, but WTH)  of it.  I watch the important shows for political insight.  Bravo TV is no where on my radar for getting info on anything that matters.  YMMV.

 

55 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Ok, but how many times did she bring up the subject of Jason on the show this season?

I didn't keep a running tab.

[BBHN]

Drat! Oh well.

[film noire]

9 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Maybe they didn't give a shit.

Yes, they could be selfish enough to not give a shit, but their body language and tone of voice sure said otherwise; those three did not look all easy breezy Cover Girl.

Edited August 26, 2017 by film noire

[sasha206]

28 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Wow, almost as many times as Luann brought up Palm Beach lol

Exactly!  :)

[BBHN]

Well, glad we got that sorted out :)

[sasha206]

Just now, BBHN said:

Well, glad we got that sorted out :)

We did.  And thanks for the giggle!

[BBHN]

You are most welcome :)

[Lemons]

11 minutes ago, film noire said:

Yes, they could be selfish enough to not give a shit, but their body language and tone of voice sure said otherwise; those three did not look all easy breezy Cover Girl.

Tinsley clearly fell into the "don't give a shit" category.  I doubt she was aware we were choosing another president.  

I could see Ramona's little pea brain thinking, "it's not cool to vote for Trump, but on the other hand he's a rich Manhattanite just like me!  What do I do?"

[zoeysmom]

9 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I agree with this so much.  They defend so many of their stupid actions, why not take the chance to defend something that really matters.  I loved how Dorinda just put it all out there and why.  Ramona, Sonja and Lu, with their coy smiles, can fuck right off.  

Respectfully, I have issues with the idea the assumption has become Ramona, Sonja and Luann all voted for Trump.  First off Luann donated to Hillary's campaign.  I just believe that no one, especially to keep their job should be forced to publicly declare why they voted for a certain candidate or on a specific issue.  Mostly, I don't understand why all of a sudden any form of a RH should have to give up a rather sacred right in this country to keep who they voted for to themselves let alone DEFEND themselves as to who they voted for or why they would not disclose.  Forcing someone to DEFEND is exactly why the vote you cast is sacrosanct in the US.

We are leaving out the idea that any of the aforementioned may have voted outside the Republican/Democractic parties.  There were other third party candidates available.  If one voted for Jill Stein should they be forced to reveal and defend?  My curiosity does not trump (no pun intended) another's right.  Add to that I don't think I really care who they voted for or why.  These would be the last group of voters I would listen to. 

My take away was no one wanted to go up against Carole and her self proclaimed expert.  Carole is a journalist her expertise is in researching and reporting the news.  Journalists although informed and studied do not replace experts in a field.  If Carole had covered a medical procedure such as Lasix surgery, does that make her any more informed or on par with an MD?  What if one of the RH had challenged Carole in her rather puny attempt, what was it 40 voters in PA, versus say their monetary contribution. 

[BBHN]

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My take away was no one wanted to go up against Carole and her self proclaimed expert

I highly doubt Carole was the reason why the 3 of them didn't want to talk about who they voted for.

[biakbiak]

11 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I highly doubt Carole was the reason why the 3 of them didn't want to talk about who they voted for.

Given the way she went in on Ramona during the season and has behaved on social media sense the election I could definitely see it having an impact whether or not they wanted to discuss it. Even Carol's BFF didn't like talking about the election with her.

[BBHN]

I don't. I think other people have covered the reasons why well enough.

[film noire]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I just believe that no one, especially to keep their job should be forced to publicly declare why they voted for a certain candidate or on a specific issue.  

They're free to not divulge, and we're free to speculate as to why they did not divulge -- this is a reality tv board, not a private home or work space. (And even then, insisting nobody should question how you voted is not necessarily fair in a democracy, because people have the right to challenge you. But at least, as a  private citizen, you have a better shot at mounting an argument that nobody should ever say a political word to -- or about -- you.)

But Lumonja signed up for a reality tv show -- again, one that had several of them at a gay marriage march five years ago & included the election in this season -- so politics are not new to the show.  And given that they are selling themselves and their lives on the show -- that's their brand -- they have no right to expect that people will not speculate on why they didn't answer. It's part of the job they signed up to do; deal with the public yammering on about what you said/didn't say, did/didn't do, etc. 

Edited August 26, 2017 by film noire

[ButterQueen]

15 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Or maybe it's hard to explain her nuanced childhood. I love my parents, but like most people they are flawed and my parents were deeply flawed. My father was an alcoholic with massive anger issues. He never laid a hand on my mother, but he beat his children mercilessly. He beat my one brother daily because my brother had allergies. My dad almost beat that brother to death with a tire iron until a stranger intervened. My oldest brother was running from my dad during a beating and ended up getting hit by a car at 6 years old. We got beatings for bad grades; we got beatings for talking back, but we also got beatings if we were hurt or sick. I got a beating for not catching the chicken pox and then for catching the chicken pox years later. He also sent all of us to private school and then berated us constantly about how much our schooling cost him though as minors we had no say about where we went to school. When I say constantly, I mean constantly. Everyday sometimes for hours. My two youngest siblings opted for boarding school. He also helped pay for college though we all had some level of scholarship award.

A picture only shows what was happening the exact moment it was taken. We don't know what happened before or after. Bethenny does use hyperbole, but even with Bernadette's pictures I take Bethenny's statement to mean that more often than not her family didn't have birthday parties for her and if they did, it was accompanied by all of the crazy shit she always had to deal with.

Try being raised by an alcoholic. Those kids can tell the difference. My siblings and I knew that if you could tell my dad something that would upset him before he finished a fourth beer his reaction would be completely different. After 4, he'd be unreasonable and dangerous. We knew most of the bus routes really well because if we asked to go somewhere, but pointed out that he might be too drunk to drive he'd beat us and still drive us there completely drunk. We started asking permission like this "Is it OK if I take the number 12 bus to the library? or my friend's house? I'll get a transfer so I can get back home." You had to get the transfer because otherwise he'd be pissed that he had to pick you up and he'd have drinking.

That said, it's not like my childhood or my memories of my father are all bad. More often than not, I'm sharing happy, funny, and silly stories about my family. That doesn't mean that my dad didn't terrorize my family for a significant portion of my life. Bethenny might be a narcissist, but I think comes from being raised by people who were so messed up that it was hard for them to consider what was best for Bethenny. Maybe they sent her to prep schools and paid for college because that's the best version of parenting they could manage.

THIS.....just broke my heart.  I am so sorry for you and your siblings.  ❤️

[KungFuBunny]

https://www.trashtalktv.com/08/23/trashtalkceleb-luann-de-lesseps-taylor-swift-will-and-grace-teresa-giudice-tom-cruise/415617/

Andy Cohen will be having a sit down with the former Countess to discuss her recent marriage/divorce! I hope he goes in hard and we get some answers about why she got married, what she was thinking, and whether she has had a comprehensive sti panel because Tom seems to have no realized that he was married for 7ish months. As a Trash Talk family, we should come together and come up with a list of dream questions so that we are ultimately super disappointed when all Andy asks is how her boobs are doing.

Hah!

[ButterQueen]

35 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Respectfully, I have issues with the idea the assumption has become Ramona, Sonja and Luann all voted for Trump.  First off Luann donated to Hillary's campaign.  I just believe that no one, especially to keep their job should be forced to publicly declare why they voted for a certain candidate or on a specific issue.  Mostly, I don't understand why all of a sudden any form of a RH should have to give up a rather sacred right in this country to keep who they voted for to themselves let alone DEFEND themselves as to who they voted for or why they would not disclose.  Forcing someone to DEFEND is exactly why the vote you cast is sacrosanct in the US.

We are leaving out the idea that any of the aforementioned may have voted outside the Republican/Democractic parties.  There were other third party candidates available.  If one voted for Jill Stein should they be forced to reveal and defend?  My curiosity does not trump (no pun intended) another's right.  Add to that I don't think I really care who they voted for or why.  These would be the last group of voters I would listen to. 

My take away was no one wanted to go up against Carole and her self proclaimed expert.  Carole is a journalist her expertise is in researching and reporting the news.  Journalists although informed and studied do not replace experts in a field.  If Carole had covered a medical procedure such as Lasix surgery, does that make her any more informed or on par with an MD?  What if one of the RH had challenged Carole in her rather puny attempt, what was it 40 voters in PA, versus say their monetary contribution. 

It was just an interesting question.  Ramona can throw a glass and cut Kristen, and not lose her job, but she needs to defend her job by not divulging her political vote....nope, I don't buy that one bit.  Good lord, Ramona should have been fired years ago for her behavior, so I doubt her vote puts her in jeopardy.  I would honestly have respected her if she would have given a genuine answer about privacy, but her shit-eating-grin was just so over the top smug.  In any event, it didn't turn me off as a viewer, I still feel bad for Lu's divorce, despite her pleading the fifth, and I'll be tuning in next season because this is my fave HW franchise.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Uh, does anyone even care if Frenchie is a cast actor or really a "lover" of Sonja's?  This shit happens so often on Housewives shows, to out this sorta crap is mostly a yawn by now.  Of course, it depends who's invovled.  Now, if Moaner was outted for passing off a phony-baloney as her bf, that would be a hoot.  Just like it woulda been a hoot if Kells' fake boyfriend, the amazing Max, had been outted as a paid actor.

But outting Sonja for paying some clown to play-act the role of her bf?  Eh, whatevs.  Does she seem sad or pathetic?  Not anymore than Tamra, if she actually did pay Eddie to marry her so she'd have a storyline for OC -- or Lu for marrying Tom.  

Oh sure, the gals on these shows have to do what they have to do to stay on the shows, right?  Nah, not so fast.  To create false shit about your life to broadcast to a national audience, I think you have to have the conscience of a con artist.  Does that accurately describe Sonja, Lu & Tamra?  Oh yeah.

Why was Carole so invested in outting Frenchie as a paid actor?  It struck me as odd.  And yet, her saying she heard about it & the way she said it made me believe it all the more.  Sonja's denials didn't help.  She's a lousy liar.  Bethenny summing up the situation, like it's the first time it happened on a Bravo show (instead of the billionth) seemed strange too.  Was she mocking Sonja or the situation of paying an actor to play a bf?  And then Tinz timidly chimed in about hearing Sonja's & Frenchie's "love-making".  Um, not too convincing, airhead Tinz.

[film noire]

25 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Uh, does anyone even care if Frenchie is a cast actor or really a "lover" of Sonja's?  This shit happens so often on Housewives shows, to out this sorta crap is mostly a yawn by now.  

I think it's a sign of how little Sonja matters to the show  -- as you say, if it had been someone else (Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda) there would be dozens of posts, links (from ZM and WW! :) candid screen shots of Frenchie with his real lover,  and page after page of speculation.

Instead, crickets in the bidet.

[Sweet-tea]

On 8/24/2017 at 6:01 PM, motorcitymom65 said:

I think the deal with Lu is that she always refers to it as the Penthouse. I have no idea if that is accurate, but then some days I am dumber than hair. I just think it is strange that she always has to mention it when talking about where she lives. Do people really talk like that? 

I agree with Beth on this point. I think "the Penthouse" sounds pretentious. It seems "home" or "apartment" would be the more common expression, but perhaps that is the point. Lu will not be considered "common." 

I don't understand why some of these women shovel on the makeup for the reunion shows. Dorinda looked garish from head to toe. She has looked so much better on the regular show. But the prize for the worst has to go to Ramona. She looked so desperate--the extensions, giant breasts, fake lashes, flashy tight gold dress with the slit. The whole look screamed trying too hard. She just looked ridiculous. 

Sonja's makeup wasn't as overdone, but she should've picked another dress. Beth looked the best to me but I agree with those who said the dress overwhelmed her. The dress was wearing her, and she didn't look comfortable. Her face looked good though. I'm still mystified about how her once prominent jawline now looks in proportion to her face. I don't know what she did, but it looks good. 

Tinsley may be in denial about her drinking. 

Whenever I hear the term "housewife" I am reminded that none of these women are housewives or even married. One thing I like about the Auckland women is they are in line with the original concept. I don't care if some of the NY women are single, but it would be interesting to throw at least a few married women into the mix. I'm not counting Lu because she was married for five minutes. 

[motorcitymom65]

27 minutes ago, film noire said:

I think it's a sign of how little Sonja matters to the show  -- as you say, if it had been someone else (Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda) there would be dozens of posts, links (from ZM and WW! :) candid screen shots of Frenchie with his real lover,  and page after page of speculation.

Instead, crickets in the bidet.

Seriously, that was funny. 

[film noire]

27 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

. I'm still mystified about how her once prominent jawline now looks in proportion to her face.

Botox to atrophy the muscle in her jaw.

[nexxie]

5 hours ago, DelicateDee said:

Well, now that people on here know (or think they know) where all the ladies stand politically, does it make your enjoyment of the show and them more likeable, less likeable or neutral?  Did the exposing of this info make you respect them any better or less?  For me, I'm neutral.  While I don't like where some of them stand politically (or where some MAY stand politically), I'll still be watching and snarking.  The only character I wouldn't care if they got rid of is Sonja.  She kinda bores me.  And as one who likes Bethenny and thinks she is the smartest of the bunch, it was disappointing to read that she was a Bernie supporter at first (per a poster on here, not verified).  That's a major downgrade to me.  ??

I don't like Bethenny or find her particularly bright, but knowing she supported Bernie makes me want to think a bit more of her.

[motorcitymom65]

30 minutes ago, film noire said:

I think it's a sign of how little Sonja matters to the show  -- as you say, if it had been someone else (Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda) there would be dozens of posts, links (from ZM and WW! :) candid screen shots of Frenchie with his real lover,  and page after page of speculation.

Instead, crickets in the bidet.

I agree 100%, and I wonder, does that say the same about Lu? Seems to me the gal contradicted herself a few times at this reunion. When she filed for divorce, a mere 3 weeks after the reunion filmed, she said they were fighting all the time and it had become "impossible". That they had worked "hard". I didn't hear her saying any of that on the reunion stage. She was talking about what a great guy he was. Yep, she slept at the hotel the night before, but nothing about it all being "impossible". Then there was the thing with the count. She has told us herself on the show that they had an open marriage. That she didn't like it, but she went along with it to keep the peace. But then on the stage, she said the truth was they were separated and she didn't want folks to know. Talk about things that make you go hmmm. If it had been Bethenny, there would be dozens of articles, interviews and examples of how she was a big fat liar who said one thing one day, and one thing the next. But with Lu, no real need to examine the facts of her statement and find a way she might be trying to deceive. Maybe she just isn't worth it? 

[WireWrap]

48 minutes ago, film noire said:

I think it's a sign of how little Sonja matters to the show  -- as you say, if it had been someone else (Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda) there would be dozens of posts, links (from ZM and WW! :) candid screen shots of Frenchie with his real lover,  and page after page of speculation.

Instead, crickets in the bidet.

Wait, What? Really, Frenchie has been posted about, including links, and several here have said they thought he was a hired fake bf for Sonja. I pretty much thought most here agreed that Frenchie wasn't a real life bf way before Carole said it. In other words, this isn't anything new! LOL

10 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree 100%, and I wonder, does that say the same about Lu? Seems to me the gal contradicted herself a few times at this reunion. When she filed for divorce, a mere 3 weeks after the reunion filmed, she said they were fighting all the time and it had become "impossible". That they had worked "hard". I didn't hear her saying any of that on the reunion stage. She was talking about what a great guy he was. Yep, she slept at the hotel the night before, but nothing about it all being "impossible". Then there was the thing with the count. She has told us herself on the show that they had an open marriage. That she didn't like it, but she went along with it to keep the peace. But then on the stage, she said the truth was they were separated and she didn't want folks to know. Talk about things that make you go hmmm. If it had been Bethenny, there would be dozens of articles, interviews and examples of how she was a big fat liar who said one thing one day, and one thing the next. But with Lu, no real need to examine the facts of her statement and find a way she might be trying to deceive. Maybe she just isn't worth it? 

Much like Bethenny, Luann has tried to keep her real life relationships quiet on the show. The difference between them is that Luann downplays anything negative, like fights/disagreements, while Bethenny straight out denies there is a relationship or she makes herself out to be the victim in her failed relationships. Luann's glass is always half full and Bethenny's is always half empty. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

So Lu said, referring to Trump & Hillary, "Don't know them WELL, but have been introduced to them."  No Lu, you don't know them AT ALL, you ridiculously pretentious, phony-baloney, countless nobody!

Jeez Louise, I wish Sonja would cover those boobies up.  They looked so on the verge of popping out any moment.  Put 'em away, Sonja.  This crowd ain't interested.  Good outfit for nursing moms, right? The contrast btw Sonja's red thing, with her boobies hanging all out, & Bethenny bundled up to her chin in her red monstrosity, gave me a giggle.

Edited August 27, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[UsernameFatigue]

45 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree 100%, and I wonder, does that say the same about Lu? Seems to me the gal contradicted herself a few times at this reunion. When she filed for divorce, a mere 3 weeks after the reunion filmed, she said they were fighting all the time and it had become "impossible". That they had worked "hard". I didn't hear her saying any of that on the reunion stage. She was talking about what a great guy he was. Yep, she slept at the hotel the night before, but nothing about it all being "impossible". Then there was the thing with the count. She has told us herself on the show that they had an open marriage. That she didn't like it, but she went along with it to keep the peace. But then on the stage, she said the truth was they were separated and she didn't want folks to know. Talk about things that make you go hmmm. If it had been Bethenny, there would be dozens of articles, interviews and examples of how she was a big fat liar who said one thing one day, and one thing the next. But with Lu, no real need to examine the facts of her statement and find a way she might be trying to deceive. Maybe she just isn't worth it? 

I call BS on much of what Lu says, and this as much as anything. Assuming that Noel and Victoria knew the truth about their parents' marriage (that they were separated) Lu really wanted everyone else to think that (and her children to carry on the charade) that their father was sleeping around on their mother in an 'open relationship' as opposed to being separated? And if Noel and Victoria did not know the truth (whatever that actually is), that they think their father was screwing around publicly on their mother because they had an open relationship?  How in the world is that putting their farce of a marriage in a better light than an actual separation? BS, Countless. 

When Sonja droned on and on about how she is sleeping with Frenchie now, but thinks she will marry Rocco down the road I kept thinking that I hope Frenchie drops her. Then when she goes to Rocco because she thinks he is waiting in the wings with no other options, she finds that he has found someone who appreaciates him and tells Sonja to take a flying leap. I don't think Frenchie is an actor (you can google him) but I do think he is using Sonja to get on TeeVee. 

Edited August 27, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[ryebread]

9 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Depends on Bethenny's need in the moment for level of stretching and hyperbole. I forget the context where she mentioned Brynn was a 1st grader but if Bethenny needed her to sound young she would have said first grader. If the example required Brynn to sound old she would have used second grader. Lost at sea. Doesn't have parents. Luann fucks everyone.  Etc. Same old same old. 

"YOU FUCK EVERYONE!"  She's like a rabid dog.

3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

57.5 times.

Pretty close!  You guys are killing me.  Such a random number - made me laugh.

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Given the way she went in on Ramona during the season and has behaved on social media sense the election I could definitely see it having an impact whether or not they wanted to discuss it. Even Carol's BFF didn't like talking about the election with her.

This.  Why would anyone who wanted to get a word in edgewise engage in a political conversation with Carole?  Besides, even if she let you express your opinion, unless it mirrored hers, it would be wrong.  Because she's an expert, yo.

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

So Lu said, referring to Trump & Hillary, "Don't know them WELL, but have been introduced to them."  No Lu, you don't know them AT ALL, you ridiculously pretentious, phony-baloney, countless nobody!

Well she went to Hillary' birthday party so it seems like a truthful statement.

[nexxie]

4 minutes ago, ryebread said:

This.  Why would anyone who wanted to get a word in edgewise engage in a political conversation with Carole?  Besides, even if she let you express your opinion, unless it mirrored hers, it would be wrong.  Because she's an expert, yo.

If B was for Bernie and C for Hillary, they must have had some choice words about the primary - too bad that wasn't caught on film!

[bravofan27]

My cousin had a shit husband, and they divorced with two kids. I kid you not, these two have coparented for 15 years without ever speaking to one another. That said, they don't talk about each other either. The kids don't talk about the dad with mom and vice versa. Bethanny needs to shut up about Jason because by talking about him all the time, something he asked her NOT to do on the show, she's letting herself be heard but not him. She needs to pipe down and stop talking about him. I think he's pissed she's still using his name to get viewers attention = ratings = money. 

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

And even then, insisting nobody should question how you voted is not necessarily fair in a democracy, because people have the right to challenge you. 

I would only expect to be challenged if I brought the subject up in the first place, which I don't.  If somebody asked me how I voted, and I chose not to discuss it, then I am under no obligation to defend my decision to remain silent, or who I voted for.     Again, it goes back to how I was taught about basic manners.  We don't bring up politics or religion, unless you're with people you know are like-minded.  That way things don't get confrontational.   Maybe it's a southern thing.  It's pretty much the way people do things here.    I deal with dental patients all day long.  It is definitely not the right setting to get into those kinds of conversations, although some patients want to go down that road.  Sometimes I let them vent, then I smile and continue on with my job, even when they just ranted about my candidate (local/state/national!) Politeness rules (although I do think to myself "a pox on you," and we all carry on.  Just kidding about that.  I'd never wish bad on anybody.  ;) 

I'm glad that Ramona, Sonja & LuAnn didn't answer Andy's question.  I didn't want the reunion to take a turn into a half-hour conversation about politics.  I get enough of that on the news.  

[ScoobieDoobs]

3 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Well she went to Hillary' birthday party so it seems like a truthful statement.

Oh, I believed she was introduced to Hillary and/or Trump.  Uh, so have a zillion other people..  Big fucking deal, Lu!  Color me extremely unimpressed.  So Lu accomplished what any nobody could do.

What struck me (and made me laugh hard) was her saying "I don't know them WELL".  Only a pretentious, phony-baloney asshole like her would say that.  Half of the people in NYC could probably say they ran into Trump or Hillary at some point & were introduced.  It's no big deal.  Only Lu would preface an intro to them (that any nobody could get), by saying she doesn't know 'em well.  So typical of her.

OTOH, I thought it was interesting, and not at all surprising, that Tinz knows Ivanka so well, given her connection to PB.

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

They're free to not divulge, and we're free to speculate as to why they did not divulge -- this is a reality tv board, not a private home or work space. (And even then, insisting nobody should question how you voted is not necessarily fair in a democracy, because people have the right to challenge you. But at least, as a  private citizen, you have a better shot at mounting an argument that nobody should ever say a political word to -- or about -- you.)

But Lumonja signed up for a reality tv show -- again, one that had several of them at a gay marriage march five years ago & included the election in this season -- so politics are not new to the show.  And given that they are selling themselves and their lives on the show -- that's their brand -- they have no right to expect that people will not speculate on why they didn't answer. It's part of the job they signed up to do; deal with the public yammering on about what you said/didn't say, did/didn't do, etc. 

Lumonja - hehe.  It's actually fun to speculate why they wouldn't answer the question.  I try to think of reasons why Sonja would vote a certain way and I can't think of any.  She's pretty vapid.  Doesn't seem really passionate about anything other then men with money.  She would be for a cause if it involved a party or free event.  Otherwise, I don't think she would give any more shits than Tinsley.

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I would only expect to be challenged if I brought the subject up in the first place, which I don't.  If somebody asked me how I voted, and I chose not to discuss it, then I am under no obligation to defend my decision to remain silent, or who I voted for.     Again, it goes back to how I was taught about basic manners.  We don't bring up politics or religion, unless you're with people you know are like-minded.  That way things don't get confrontational.   Maybe it's a southern thing.  It's pretty much the way people do things here.    I deal with dental patients all day long.  It is definitely not the right setting to get into those kinds of conversations, although some patients want to go down that road.  Sometimes I let them vent, then I smile and continue on with my job, even when they just ranted about my candidate (local/state/national!) Politeness rules (although I do think to myself "a pox on you," and we all carry on.  Just kidding about that.  I'd never wish bad on anybody.  ;) 

I'm glad that Ramona, Sonja & LuAnn didn't answer Andy's question.  I didn't want the reunion to take a turn into a half-hour conversation about politics.  I get enough of that on the news.  

I was born/raised up north, US, as were both of my parents and we were raised the same way. My parents had friends that had different political beliefs and even though my mother was politically active for her chosen party, she never discussed politics at parties unless it was a political party for her chosen candidate. 

I also agree, had Luann, Ramona or Sonja said they voted for anyone other than HRC, Carole would have gone on a tirade, lecturing them on the mistake they made! The question should not have been asked by Andy, he could talk about the election with Carole/Dorinda if he wanted to but leave the others out of the conversation. 

[sasha206]

34 minutes ago, ryebread said:

"YOU FUCK EVERYONE!"  She's like a rabid dog.

Pretty close!  You guys are killing me.  Such a random number - made me laugh.

This.  Why would anyone who wanted to get a word in edgewise engage in a political conversation with Carole?  Besides, even if she let you express your opinion, unless it mirrored hers, it would be wrong.  Because she's an expert, yo.

I couldn't help myself!  And BBHN's followup response was priceless! Love you people!

[motorcitymom65]

14 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I also agree, had Luann, Ramona or Sonja said they voted for anyone other than HRC, Carole would have gone on a tirade, lecturing them on the mistake they made! The question should not have been asked by Andy, he could talk about the election with Carole/Dorinda if he wanted to but leave the others out of the conversation. 

I don't think she would have gone on a tirade, but so what if she had? What would the fear be? Fear of Carole not agreeing with their position on something? 

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't think she would have gone on a tirade, but so what if she had? What would the fear be? Fear of Carole not agreeing with their position on something? 

I don't think they fear her, I think they, including Bethenny, just find discussing the election with her tiresome as fuck.

[bagger]

Stuck in the middle of hurricane Harvey well Harvey adjacent I finally had a chance to read everything and watch both reunions.

Mad at myself because I keep forgetting to check the bottom of Ramona's shoe but other than that pretty satisfied. I think this is the only franchise where we can hear most of their replies to questions.

I grew up in a highly political and religious family and we learned early on that we did not discuss politics or religion in social settings. Too much sensitivity involved in both topics.

Tinsley: I don't mind that politics aren't her thing. I like that she was honest about it and didn't lie. The fact that she didn't vote doesn't bother me in the least because I haven't heard her complain about the election results.

Carol: I'm a reluctant fan because she bugged me so much her first few seasons. She seemed to think she was above it all (much like OC Peggy). This season however I see her enjoying everyone's antics and having a good time with it so I find myself laughing with her most of the time. I think she needs to not have jumped Tinsley's shit because we don't all care about the same things.

Bethenny: I'm a fan even though she makes me crazy some days. I'm glad she's back with Dennis I find him oddly attractive and he reminds me of someone but I can't pinpoint who. Also, glad she took the co-host reign because Andy way too often pitches softball questions and doesn't follow up on some of the grittier responses.

Ramona: atrocious dress, horrible hair and all I could think of is that she looked like one of those cheap trophies mario's company puts out. Just way too much.

sonja: didn't even notice she was there until her boops started trying to make a surprise appearance.

Dorinda: she was wallpaper to me these last two episodes and I'm a rabid fan.

Lu: glad they held her feet to the fire and made her answer something honestly i.e. Tom'scomments do bother her hence her staying in a hotel the previous night.

Penthousegate: i get where B was coming from. When I lived in New York I had a very wealthy friend and her parents were always inviting me to their apartment for dinner. When I finally went guess what it I selected PH in the elevator and I walked off the elevator into a large foyer with a door. When I walked in it was a sprawling two story apartment overlooking midtown manhattan. That is what I always envision as a penthouse. Soooo when we went for the tour of Lu's PH it was a let down. 

Edited August 27, 2017 by bagger

[ryebread]

4 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't think she would have gone on a tirade, but so what if she had? What would the fear be? Fear of Carole not agreeing with their position on something? 

I don't think it would be fear.  More like not finding it enjoyable to be on the receiving end of a self-proclaimed expert's tirade.  Why would anyone go into that knowing what the result would be? Trying to have a conversation with her about politics if you disagreed with her would be a waste of time.  For once in my life, I agree with Moaner about that.

[WireWrap]

16 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't think she would have gone on a tirade, but so what if she had? What would the fear be? Fear of Carole not agreeing with their position on something? 

No, fear of the never ending lecture on something already decided/done/over with. Even her bf, Bethenny, is tired of hearing about it from Carole, which says a lot about how much Carole went on and on about the election. No one likes a broken record. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Oh, I believed she was introduced to Hillary and/or Trump.  Uh, so have a zillion other people..  Big fucking deal, Lu!  Color me extremely unimpressed.  So Lu accomplished what any nobody could do.

What struck me (and made me laugh hard) was her saying "I don't know them WELL".  Only a pretentious, phony-baloney asshole like her would say that.  Half of the people in NYC could probably say they ran into Trump or Hillary at some point & were introduced.  It's no big deal.  Only Lu would preface an intro to them (that any nobody could get), by saying she doesn't know 'em well.  So typical of her.

OTOH, I thought it was interesting, and not at all surprising, that Tinz knows Ivanka so well, given her connection to PB.

I guess I am not getting the pretentiousness of the answer.  Luann was responding to the discussion about knowing the two candidates.  She followed Dorinda whose late husband had a relationship with the Clintons and Dorinda said Hillary had been to her home,  So had Luann said, she didn't know them, she would have been branded a liar when photos of her at Hillary's birthday re-surfaced.  Both candidates have frequented the Hamptons over the years and most likely have crossed paths.  I think Luann was very straightforward not competing with Dorinda or anyone else with their connection or lack thereof.  Usually when you attend someone's birthday party there is an indication that you do know them.  This isn't the first time Andy has asked about connections to Trump-he asked Kim Richards during the BH Reunion about dating Trump, she did-there were pictures.  When LVP asked how he looked naked Kim said she did not want to comment on  POTUS.  Her sister, Kathy and BIL have a very close connection with Trump, Kyle and her husband were Obama supporters and yes there were photos of them with President Obama. 

3 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I agree with Beth on this point. I think "the Penthouse" sounds pretentious. It seems "home" or "apartment" would be the more common expression, but perhaps that is the point. Lu will not be considered "common." 

 

Unfortunately diarrhea of the mouth, Bethenny, interrupted Dorinda, who used the term penthouse, when she was about to speak to her interactions with Tom and Luann away from parties and cameras in a more intimate setting.  So we got the lecture from Bethenny instead of some insight from Dorinda on the Tom/Luann relationship.  I would have rather heard Dorinda expand on their relationship.  I somehow don't find using the term penthouse any more or less pretentious than referencing having Beyoncé and Jay Z as neighbors.