S09.E11: A Countess No More

[film noire]

2 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

They also posted from her memoir how Carole had a make out session with a married man! while Anthony lay dying in his hospital bed. 

Say what now? Really? 

What a little hypstercrite!

Edited June 21, 2017 by film noire

[ryebread]

8 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

They also posted from her memoir how Carole had a make out session with a married man! while Anthony lay dying in his hospital bed. Yet Tom's drunken mistake is somehow unforgivable.

She went to Bass LAKE????

I read her book before she signed on to this show.  I vaguely remember this. 

11 minutes ago, film noire said:

Okay - but to be fair, are we SURE Carole actually read the book she supposedly wrote ? ; )

LOL

[BBHN]

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Being part of a production team and writing memoirs are different

Which doesn't really prove she had a ghostwriter.

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They also posted from her memoir how Carole had a make out session with a married man! while Anthony lay dying in his hospital bed. Yet Tom's drunken mistake is somehow unforgivable.

Slightly different situations, especially since she seemed to own up to it.

Edited June 21, 2017 by BBHN

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Since I have started rewatching the series from the very beginning, I've really noticed how much of a calming/controlling influence Mario was on Ramona.  He basically was a live-in nanny for her quite often. I could understand being exhausted by that and just wanting someone low key and normal. 

Isn't Mario's girlfriend Kasey Dexter? She's not exactly low key

[film noire]

11 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

she clearly ate too much lavender.

Edited June 21, 2017 by film noire

[Ki-in]

16 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Which doesn't really prove she had a ghostwriter.

Slightly different situations, especially since she seemed to own up to it.

Cheating on a dying husband is a thousand times worse than a drunken kiss with an ex.

Edited June 21, 2017 by Ki-in

[BBHN]

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Cheating on a dying husband is a thousand times worse than a drunken kiss with an ex.

And what else did Carole say about the incident? Some details might be good to know.

[ButterQueen]

2 hours ago, Ki-in said:

She ate it, it made enough of an impression for her to list it but then acted like she had never even heard of the concept of lavender flavored anything. She's an idiot.

I'm an idiot too.  Never ever heard of lavender in ice cream.  No desire to try it either. 

Oddly, I hate cheese but love cheesecake.

No accounting for taste. ?

[film noire]

6 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I'm an idiot too. Never ever heard of lavender in ice cream.  

Difference is, Carole *had* heard about (and tasted) lavender in food -- that's why she's an idiot (and you're not ; )

Edited June 21, 2017 by film noire

[BBHN]

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Oddly, I hate cheese but love cheesecake.

Ha! I'm not a fan of tomatoes, but I do enjoy foods using tomato sauce (pastas, pizzas, etc). And the odd tomato gazpacho.

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that's why she's an idiot

Or just isn't enough for a foodie or someone who cares about food enough to remember...I mean, this is someone who seems to use her kitchen more for storage than anything else, and who seems to prefer food on the munchie side of life...

Edited June 21, 2017 by BBHN

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Yes, this is the gotcha moment. Maybe goes to the narrative that she wants to create a "cool" image or something? Not sure how lying about Lavender would prove anything. Maybe she said she ate lavender honey before because it was cool, but now she thinks it is cool to not like lavender? Has this become a thing? Hard for me to follow.  I cannot stand Cilantro, but for whatever reason, handle it at one restaurant that does it well in their guacamole. I Tell everyone I cannot stand it, then watch as they put it in when making my guac tableside. My husband always reminds me that I supposedly don't like it and bitch about it all the time in anything else, but am shoving it in my mouth like someone is going to take it away from me at this one place. Maybe I am a poser? 

Hah!

I say the same thing. My all time favorite Dim Sum dish is chopped beef wrapped in a flat rice noodle. Every once in a while you go to a new restaurant and they might add pieces of cilantro into the chopped beef. After one bite, if there is cilantro - I wont eat anymore.

FF to my friend who made Tabouleh. She picked up cilantro instead of parsley at the supermarket. I knew right off by the overwhelming aroma. Once that big bowl of Tabouleh came out with the pieces of lettuce - I could not stop eating it.

[Ki-in]

This has nothing to do with being a foodie or not. Lavender flavored food is what Carole wrote in her food diary that she submitted to People magazine that she ate on a regular average day. Repeat, regular average day, not a one off at some gourmet place. 

Edited June 21, 2017 by Ki-in

[BBHN]

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FF to my friend who made Tabouleh. She picked up cilantro instead of parsley at the supermarket. I knew right off by the overwhelming aroma. Once that big bowl of Tabouleh came out with the pieces of lettuce - I could not stop eating it.

Cilantro? In tabbouleh? Oh Bunny, as someone from that region, you and your friend made me cry. And not in a good way.

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Lavender flavored food is what Carole wrote in her food diary that she submitted to People magazine that she ate on a regular average day. Repeat, regular average day, not a one off at some gourmet place. 

Which for all we know was something she just ate on that one day. At that restaurant she where she went to have dinner. It wasn't a weekly or monthly food diary, it was an average menu that she had on one day a year ago. And the whole point of that was to analyze how healthy the celebrity in the piece ate. Carole did good on some points and not so good on other points.

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, BBHN said:

Cilantro? In tabbouleh? Oh Bunny, as someone from that region, you and your friend made me cry. And not in a good way.

Sowwwy!!! I know it's supposed to be parsley, don't know who picked up the Cilantro from the market instead, but it really was good.

They pretty much had to roll me away from the dining table. Her mom brought over trays of homemade Baklava. I think I ate 1/2 a tray

[BBHN]

I was just teasing. There are lots of variations of the dish (some countries use couscous instead of bulgur wheat). Whatever makes you enjoy it more, have at it!

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, BBHN said:

I was just teasing. There are lots of variations of the dish (some countries use couscous instead of bulgur wheat). Whatever makes you enjoy it more, have at it!

It's all good.

My friends family are Armenian. The mom has made tabouleh for me many times, this time was the first time my friend was making it using her mom's recipe. They use the bulgur wheat and fresh mint....mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I wonder if Adam makes a "Sexy" tabouleh

[BBHN]

You need to ask the mom if she makes kabob or meatballs in cherry sauce, which...yum.

[motorcitymom65]

43 minutes ago, jaync said:

In her head? Because that wasn't the next line she delivered.

We have no idea what she said next. We know what Bravo edited. Maybe there was a long diatribe about lavender and it's place in the world. And it was so boring that Bravo thought no one would care. But they do. They care about lavender. People want to know more about Carole and her feelings about it. To analyze it. Because they cannot be real and she must be lying or pretending, or thinking liking it or not liking it is cool. Not to judge, because I have typed the word more today than I have in my entire life. So clearly I need to get a life. 

[jaync]

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We have no idea what she said next.

We do, because it was shown (IIRC, there was no noticeable breaks in the conversation). One can speculate all day long about what might've been Carole's thought process, but the scene was what it was.

[film noire]

17 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

They care about lavender. People want to know more about Carole and her feelings about it. To analyze it. Because they cannot be real and she must be lying or pretending, or thinking liking it or not liking it is cool. 

People are just pointing out Radiziwill was lying when she acted as if lavender in food was a crazy curve ball she'd never encountered -- but what you describe sounds like way more fun  ; )

Edited June 21, 2017 by film noire
Lavender Scare of the 1950s = Carole's conclusion Tom is GayTom? IS THAT HOW DEEP THE CONSPIRACY GOES?

[Lemons]

5 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Next episode, Carole learns about Tapas. 

(sorry if I'm late with this joke-I'm only on pg. 5)

I don't know what a tapa is.  I've seen the word on menus and restaurants but my eyes glaze over as I look for the plain chicken.  Every once in a great while I'll try something new and then I'll remember why I don't do it more often.  

[the killer]

A tapa is what you should do out when you see Carole and Bethenny coming into your ice cream parlor.

[Mozelle]

28 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I don't know what a tapa is.  I've seen the word on menus and restaurants but my eyes glaze over as I look for the plain chicken.  Every once in a great while I'll try something new and then I'll remember why I don't do it more often.  

To keep it short and sweet: tapas is awful. Kidding. Tapas are small dishes you can share with your dining partners. You eat them really to have something in your stomach for the alcohol you should be imbibing while eating.

OK. So, I was half kidding about tapas being awful. They're awful only if you're like me, a person who doesn't like to share her food. Then going out for tapas becomes anxiety inducing. I ordered the chorizo for me, myself, and I, people! 

[OnceSane]

Topic, y'all.  Get back on it.

[BBHN]

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We have no idea what she said next. We know what Bravo edited. Maybe there was a long diatribe about lavender and it's place in the world. And it was so boring that Bravo thought no one would care. But they do. They care about lavender. People want to know more about Carole and her feelings about it. To analyze it. Because they cannot be real and she must be lying or pretending, or thinking liking it or not liking it is cool. Not to judge, because I have typed the word more today than I have in my entire life. So clearly I need to get a life. 

Seriously, you'd think she just accused Tom of swapping spit with yet another side piece at the Regency...

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there was no noticeable breaks in the conversation

Sometimes Bravo does get their editing right. Sometimes it's good. Other times, you get this.

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People are just pointing out Radiziwill was lying

Or just being forgetful :)

[Martinigirl]

I'm beginning to think Tom may have married Luann (crazy as it sounds) for her money. Bethenny made a few statements that has me reading between the lines....I think he's using you, he's not a good guy, he only dates women with money and stating the shit show that will never end with her marriage. It has to be more than just the cheating. 

Attorneys out there....would Luann be responsible for any liens, etc. Tom might have once she married diamond dick?

[ryebread]

26 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I don't know what a tapa is.  I've seen the word on menus and restaurants but my eyes glaze over as I look for the plain chicken.  Every once in a great while I'll try something new and then I'll remember why I don't do it more often.  

Tapas means 'small plate'.  Just a couple bites.

 

46 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Maybe there was a long diatribe about lavender and it's place in the world. And it was so boring that Bravo thought no one would care. But they do. They care about lavender. People want to know more about Carole and her feelings about it. To analyze it. Because they cannot be real and she must be lying or pretending, or thinking liking it or not liking it is cool. Not to judge, because I have typed the word more today than I have in my entire life. So clearly I need to get a life. 

I don't care about Carole's feelings about lavender.  I do care, because that's what we're here for - every single one of us - about analyzing these HWs and their lives.  Bethenny is a bitch.  Ramona is insane. Sonja is a hot mess. Etc. 

Carole, is no exception. My analysis, based on the Lavender Caper, amongst others is that she's a phony.  Or she really has the emotional maturity of someone decades younger.  Which is possibly why she and Adam are together.  

I understand when a Ho is yo gal and she's getting the pile on.  I get it.  I was one of three that defended Aviva... LOL good times.  But I tried to refrain from trying to make anyone who felt differently sound like they were delusional. 

Don't fret, y'all.  New episode tonight.  Someone else to bag on.  Unless Carole brings it.  Again.

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, ryebread said:

Especially if you:

- listed them as ingredients of a dessert in your food diary

- owned candles and/or oils made with them

- if your boyfriend made a living, making and photographing food using those ingredients in your apartment. 

If you then went on to say, "What's sumac? That's like poison ivy.",  I'd either say dementia was seeping in, you've eaten one too many laced gummy bears, or you're trying to act like a dum dum for reasons unbeknownst to me. 

Dumb isn't cute.

Farrah Fawcett was an artist?  Off to googleland...

ETA:  1991 called and wants Carole's fingerless, red mih-ehns back.

Fingerless gloves are 1991?  I think they are fantastic!  I can still function while keeping the hands warm!  Oh well, fuck anyone that makes me get rid of these puppies.  Warm hands are better than impressing anyone!

[the killer]

5 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Don't fret, y'all.  New episode tonight.  Someone else to bag on.  Unless Carole brings it.  Again.

Carole always brings it. She is very consistent. You have to give to her.

[ryebread]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

Fingerless gloves are 1991?  I think they are fantastic!  I can still function while keeping the hands warm!  Oh well, fuck anyone that makes me get rid of these puppies.  Warm hands are better than impressing anyone!

No, no!  I agree!  My Christmas lights wouldn't make it to the trees in frigid Michigan December without my fingerless gloves.  But yeah, I do kind of think they're 1991 ish.  Maybe even before.  Didn't Madonna make them famous?

[BBHN]

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Fingerless gloves are 1991?  I think they are fantastic!

Aren't the 90s back, fashion wise? So, you're definitely ahead of the game ;)

[ryebread]

3 minutes ago, the killer said:

Carole always brings it. She is very consistent. You have to give to her.

Bless her heart.

[Martinigirl]

12 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Fingerless gloves are 1991?  I think they are fantastic!  I can still function while keeping the hands warm!  Oh well, fuck anyone that makes me get rid of these puppies.  Warm hands are better than impressing anyone!

Bitch stole your look! :)

[Natalie68]

9 minutes ago, ryebread said:

No, no!  I agree!  My Christmas lights wouldn't make it to the trees in frigid Michigan December without my fingerless gloves.  But yeah, I do kind of think they're 1991 ish.  Maybe even before.  Didn't Madonna make them famous?

HA!  Well I am old so if I am out of style well its part of reaching the Fuck You Fifties.  Although I am an early bloomer.  Still have a bit over a year to get there!

[motorcitymom65]

21 minutes ago, BBHN said:

 

Sometimes Bravo does get their editing right. Sometimes it's good. Other times, you get this

The meal scenes are always the most fascinating. You don't notice the breaks in conversation necessarily or whatever, then you notice that food is on the table during one comment and suddenly absent when someone responds to what was literally just said. Or an empty wine glass is suddenly full. Then you realize there was plenty more said that Bravo edited out. Makes you aware that they are splicing and dicing like crazy. 

[BBHN]

Did you catch the editing mistake in this clip?

[SCS]

1 hour ago, BBHN said:

Aren't the 90s back, fashion wise? So, you're definitely ahead of the game ;)

 

Yes. Brown lipstick is back, God Save the Queen, God Save us All. Not a good look for me.

[ryebread]

16 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Bitch stole your look! :)

No, bitch stole Judd Nelson's look, circa 1985.  He was totally too cool for school.

Feet on the desk, feet on the dashboard. Tomato, tomahtoe. 

[film noire]

28 minutes ago, ryebread said:

  Maybe even before.  Didn't Madonna make them famous?

Cyndi Lauper first, and then Madonna "borrowed" the look  (along with everything else in the east village and gay club scene). 

Edited June 21, 2017 by film noire

[the killer]

I am enjoying the way Ramona is being ostracized this season. Her nonsense is just not working. Soon she will be reduced to doing Keg Stands with the sorority girls. Who wouldn't want to hang out with a sixty-ish misshapen science experiment.

I can't wait for Jill to come back and put all of these witches in their place. I never liked Jill all that much but she seems a fitting punishment for what the rest of these morons are putting us through this season.

Most of all I want to see the first Jill vs Dorinda blow up. Boy that will be something to see.

[Happy Camper]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

Say what now? Really? 

What a little hypstercrite!

Film Noire, this is brilliant!

[jaync]

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He was totally too cool for school.

And John Bender's home life was a total peach compared to the living hell that was Beth's childhood.

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[BBHN]

Judd Nelson's? It might have been, probably.

[grisgris]

Waving to film noire!

[Happy Camper]

On 6/15/2017 at 3:20 AM, ScoobieDoobs said:

Hardly a Carole fan here, but I will defend her right to not be adventurous when it comes to food.  I thought Bethenny was showing off & putting Carole down, which I didn't care for.  But that's Bethenny.  She's exactly the kind of friend who will put you down.  If you're up for that, God Bless.  Still, I liked this segment.  Bethenny is a foodie & she showed an interesting part of the city that many (if not most) native NY'ers (er, like me) are not overly familiar with.  Those dumplings looked totally delish!  

Anyone know what restaurant they were in?  And what street were they walking down?  I thought I heard Mott Street mentioned, but I didn't recognize it.  Wowza, it really put me in the mood to venture down to my fav dumpling joint on Eldridge, between Hester & Canal.  Hope it's still there.  Eight of THE most delicious pork & chive dumplings EVER for 2 bucks.  Yummy yum yum!

Jeez, you're making me kinda nuts this ep, Bethenny.  First, I was nauseous from the obnoxious Skinny Girl plug & cramming your shitty products down your party guests' throats & now you gave me a wicked craving to venture way out of my way to get Chinatown dumplings.  Well, at least she's not screeching like a banshee & treating everyone around her horribly.  True, her fembot assistants look dutifully terrified of her.  But that's her shtick.  And not inviting Moaner to her party?  Oh, that was worth the reaction from Moaner, which tickled me.  And Bethenny standing by herself in that awful Brady Bunch basement joint was priceless.  Loved it!

Btw, speaking of Brady Bunch, was The Tinz rocking Marcia Brady hair or what?  It was so cute & flattering on her.

She is adventurous enough to know her way around a pair of chopsticks.  LOL.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

7 hours ago, BBHN said:

Besides the 3 Emmy Awards she won?

I'm not that familiar with how tv news gets made, but as I understand it, she was a producer for ABC News, and as such was responsible for arranging interviews and locations and getting people where they were supposed to be. Without her, the reporters would not have had time to write, nor the media (cameras, mics, commlines back to the satellite or studio), and thus she earned an Emmy or 3 as an important, intrinsic  part of a team. 

However, she didn't have a deadline for writing news scripts, because she wasn't a reporter. So her awards for news reporting dont necessarily prove her ability to write to meet a deadline.  

I may be quite wrong about all the above and will attempt to be a gracious recipient of correction.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

4 hours ago, BBHN said:

Did you catch the editing mistake in this clip?

(Small voice) No?

[Thumper]

I missed last week, but read most of the posts here.  Now I'm watching the rerun from last week.  I guess it IS all in the eye of the beholder, because I don't see Carole as being hateful or impolite in the ice cream parlor.  She didn't like the taste of one ice cream; she made a face.  I've done similar at the deli or bar when given "tastes" of things.

I gather Luanne is very much in love and very very happy???  Just want to make sure I'm understandong her. ?

Agree that the post-wedding party is pretty lame.  Funny to watch Beth arrive as the first person!

[motorcitymom65]

5 hours ago, BBHN said:

Did you catch the editing mistake in this clip?

I watched it quickly so there could be more, but the one I caught was the classic one you see a lot - the reaction shot. Lu is wearing her jacket and saying something. They show Kristen's face for a reaction and it looks like she is dubious to whatever Lu just said, but you see a small part of Lu and suddenly she isn't wearing the jacket she was wearing 1 second before, so Kristen's face isn't in reaction to what Lu just said. Then Heather responds to what Lu just said and they cut to Lu, and suddenly Lu has her jacket on again.  It looks like one long train of thought conversation but it is not. I never trust a reaction shot unless they are in the same frame. 

[ButterQueen]

6 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Fingerless gloves are 1991?  I think they are fantastic!  I can still function while keeping the hands warm!  Oh well, fuck anyone that makes me get rid of these puppies.  Warm hands are better than impressing anyone!

I agree completely.