Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[Morrigan2575]

Just now, Umbelina said:

Maybe there is a reason for Jon to take the black, aside from the obvious, that's the way to not be on trial for murder and be killed.

Maybe Jon just heads north to be with the free folk, and wars his black stuff because it's warm?  Maybe he wants to be a hermit?

That one could easily be explained many ways. 

Again, not saying all of those are true, just reposted it because it was requested.

In all of these spoilers though?  The same people keep dying in similar ways.

I agree. Plus we got one line spoilers but, there's no details/motivation behind it. That is something that can make or break a story.  

I'm at the point where I'm leaning more towards these being right to some degree but, I've never expected a happy ending for anyone. This show just doesn't lend itself towards happily ever after, IMO. Some side characters (Sam/Gilly) may get the HEA but, the others will be tragic endings or semi-tragic endings, or just endings where they go on. I've also thought the show would end with 7 separate kingdoms and no one sitting on the throne. I don't know if that will happen but, I've never expected someone to actually win the Game of Thrones.

[kellog010]

To read these spoilers, the Starks are pure and the only family who can make mistakes and grow from them. Also, women can't process emotions so they go batshit crazy. Dany gets no trial just death while Tyrion gets rewarded by being on a ruling council. If that's the way this ends that's bull for me. 

[anamika]

We know that Northern soldiers are also fighting in the KL battle from a BTS picture posted by a crew member of the entire stunt team, probably clicked on one of the last days of filming when all the stuntmen were on the KL sets (June 28/29th). - BsB linked to it on FF

[Eyes High]

5 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

To read these spoilers, the Starks are pure and the only family who can make mistakes and grow from them. Also, women can't process emotions so they go batshit crazy. Dany gets no trial just death while Tyrion gets rewarded by being on a ruling council. If that's the way this ends that's bull for me. 

I've always suspected that GRRM author avatar Tyrion would get a great ending, and as of 8x03 his arc even appears to include getting the epic endgame romance Jon and Dany were supposed to get. That's why Friki's ending, where Tyrion is put on trial and condemned by the rest of the characters to be executed, didn't make much sense to me.

Still, I think all this concern is premature. A lot is going to happen in 8x04 and we really don't know what at this point. 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Eyes High

[YaddaYadda]

Come to think of it, how is this Bran ruling and this committee any different from what we have now. There's a king and his small council. So really, it's still the exact same thing.

[Spartan Girl]

I'd be okay with a sad ending, but this wouldn't be sad, it would be a dumpster fire.

I guess we won't know for sure until Sunday. Or next Sunday.

[Umbelina]

14 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

To read these spoilers, the Starks are pure and the only family who can make mistakes and grow from them. Also, women can't process emotions so they go batshit crazy. Dany gets no trial just death while Tyrion gets rewarded by being on a ruling council. If that's the way this ends that's bull for me. 

Sansa has been through hell, and obviously processed her emotions if these spoilers are true, she doesn't go crazy even after having been through more than almost anyone.

I still don't see any spoilers saying Dany "goes crazy?"  We've seen her temper, and she has, presumable at that time, one very powerful weapon left to vent her rage...Drogon.  It could be that the death of Rhaegar, and others close to her, or their perceived betrayal of her gets her so angry she does what she often does, BURN and kill those who disagree with her.

8 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Come to think of it, how is this Bran ruling and this committee any different from what we have now. There's a king and his small council. So really, it's still the exact same thing.

He's not "King" though.  It's not an inherited position.  He can't have children who think because a lucky combination of sperm and egg with his mommy and daddy gives him/her the right to rule over millions of people.

Maybe that's why he's "elected" as the spoiler says.  Tyrion gives a speech and he is chosen.

Maybe they've had their fill of "kings" in Westeros, after all the suffering ALL of those Kings and Queens put them through, and now, they need to rebuild their devastated lands and lives, so they pick someone who can not have children?

10 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I've always suspected that GRRM author avatar Tyrion would get a great ending, and as of 8x03 his arc even appears to include getting the epic endgame romance Jon and Dany were supposed to get. That's why Friki's ending, where Tyrion is put on trial and condemned by the rest of the characters to be executed, didn't make much sense to me.

Still, I think all this concern is premature. A lot is going to happen in 8x04 and we really don't know what at this point. 

I don't know if it's "great" but I do think Tyrion would be a good choice to help, but not lead Westeros. 

I understand the concern, but what baffles me is anyone thinking that GRRM would write a "happy" ending.  Even he has said "it's bittersweet." 

The "sweetness" of that, IMO, may be that all of those "small folk" are finally free of Kings or Queens?

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina
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[SeanC]

26 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Maybe there is a reason for Jon to take the black, aside from the obvious, that's the way to not be on trial for murder and be killed.

Maybe Jon just heads north to be with the free folk, and wears his black stuff because it's warm?  Maybe he wants to be a hermit?  Maybe they think they should guard the northern border again just in case Winter isn't completely over.  Who knows?

That one could easily be explained many ways. 

But none of those are what the supposed leaks say.  They claim Jon takes the black.

20 minutes ago, magdalene said:

I am still not buying what these leakers are selling. However, no matter how hard I try - I cannot picture Jon living happily ever after in married bliss with his aunt.

GRRM is the last author who would care about Jon and Dany being nephew and aunt.  He's written uncritically positive presentations of brother-sister marriages.

5 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

The "sweetness" of that, IMO, may be that all of those "small folk" are finally free of Kings or Queens?

There has been no buildup for an ending that suddenly gets rid of kings.

[John Potts]

9 minutes ago, magdalene said:

And Benioff and Weiss wanting to hide from fans does not exactly inspire me with confidence that I will be left a happy fan.

Whatever the ending, somebody is going to be upset and they might be worried that there will be a torrent of abuse coming their way because it's a BETRAYAL OF THE FANS! Or perhaps people will be perfectly calm and reasonable and say, "Well, that's not how I'd have ended it, but I respect their choices". I know which I think is more likely.

Bron on the Council? Why not? With Jamie (presumably) dead, especially if Greyworm also dies, he'll be the most senior military figure around. Why shouldn't he sit on the Small Council? Because he's a killer? Both Littlefinger and Varys employed assassins and Tywin was perfectly happy committing genocide. And if it's because he's not noble - then he's only slightly less noble than Littlefinger (grandson of a sellsword).

[Umbelina]

8 minutes ago, SeanC said:

But none of those are what the supposed leaks say.  They claim Jon takes the black.

GRRM is the last author who would care about Jon and Dany being nephew and aunt.  He's written uncritically positive presentations of brother-sister marriages.

There has been no buildup for an ending that suddenly gets rid of kings.

1.  The last one does, that the people aren't positive winter is over forever, and feel the North still needs to be protected.  Also, that it's a misinterpretation and Jon is just wearing black because that's his warm stuff.

2.  I agree, but that doesn't have much to do with the overall story.

3.  In the books, there certainly is.  As I said earlier, I think GRRM's absolute best writing is when he describes the lives of the small folk.  Horrible before the Kings began warring again, and, if not already dead by murder or starvation, even worse one The Game of Thrones began again.

Again, what they show chose to tell in arriving at the ending GRRM gave them (assuming these spoilers are true?) is on them.  The ending itself is on GRRM, and to me, it does make sense that he would end it this way.

ETA in a way, it's not just Kings or Queens that would be gone, the question of religion should also be resolved.  After all, Bran knows all.  No more warring religious figures either.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina

[anamika]

20 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Come to think of it, how is this Bran ruling and this committee any different from what we have now. There's a king and his small council. So really, it's still the exact same thing.

That's the thing that confuses me. But considering the entire mythology and premise of the show has been turned on it's head last episode, maybe there will be no real explanation for all this.

Why is just a desire for the Iron Throne a power that corrupts?

Before Aegon got there, Westeros had different warring kingdoms where people fought against each other so their house would be above all. The Starks fought and defeated several houses so that they could be top dog. The Iron Born raided, raped and pillaged. The Lannisters destroyed their enemies. Then we got Aegon and the 7K and that was also problematic because of infighting between the dragons and civil wars.  Nothing much different there.

Every main character in this series is power hungry. Dany just wants the top position.

Not sure what the point is of just melting down the throne and going back to the same feudal power structures in place. Kingdoms and people are still going to fight each other for power down the line. We have seen how intransigent Sansa can be to make deals with an ally. Everyone lies and breaks deals and no one is trustworthy anymore.

Unless, GRRM/show is really going for that Dune ending with Bran as God Emperor who has full control of the empire for many centuries

Edited May 4, 2019 by anamika

[Colorful Mess]

The only spoiler I trust is the Walking dead one and the original leaker who correctly predicted Lyanna becoming a WW, Theon dying by charging at the NK, and Arya jumping on the NK and killing him 141 days ago. Later, as info was clarified from the same source, the source said Jon kills Dany. The source also doesnt seem to care about the show at all, so more likely to give unbiased info without fleaks. The other leak posted about Jon joining the NW seems to just be filling in with fleaks for that original source who predicted info correctly before the air date.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Colorful Mess

[Umbelina]

13 minutes ago, anamika said:

That's the thing that confuses me. But considering the entire mythology and premise of the show has been turned on it's head last episode, maybe there will be no real explanation for all this.

Why is just a desire for the Iron Throne a power that corrupts?

Before Aegon got there, Westeros had different warring kingdoms where people fought against each other so their house would be above all. The Starks fought and defeated several houses so that they could be top dog. The Iron Born raided, raped and pillaged. The Lannisters destroyed their enemies. Then we got Aegon and the 7K and that was also problematic because of infighting between the dragons and civil wars.  Nothing much different there.

Every main character in this series is power hungry. Dany just wants the top position.

Not sure what the point is of just melting down the throne and going back to the same feudal power structures in place. Kingdoms and people are still going to fight each other for power down the line. We have seen how intransigent Sansa can be to make deals with an ally. Everyone lies and breaks deals and no one is trustworthy anymore.

Unless, GRRM/show is really going for that Dune ending with Bran as God Emperor who has full control of the empire for many centuries

Again, Bran is not a typical King, but head of a council, he can't have children so inherited power is over.

Also who said it will be feudal?  They ELECT Bran, after a moving speech by Tyrion.  Bran has no connection to the various factions, or petty desires, he's far beyond that now, his goal is the survival of humans, all of them, not just a particular group.  He doesn't distinguish between religions, rich or poor, let alone "Houses" of the former rulers.

Does that mean the end to all grief and WOO!  Democracy!  No, of course not, but it's a step in a hopeful direction.

ETA

I'm actually going to be disappointed if the spoilers are not mostly true.  Ha.  Oppositeville.

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[anamika]

7 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Also who said it will be feudal?  They ELECT Bran, after a moving speech by Tyrion.  Bran has no connection to the various factions, or petty desires, he's far beyond that now, his goal is the survival of humans, all of them, not just a particular group.  He doesn't distinguish between religions, rich or poor, let alone "Houses" of the former rulers.

So a group of nobles elect Bran who rules supreme over all the other FEUDAL houses and that's is different to the current scenario, how?

What in anything of the last 3 episodes makes you think that Bran is an effective ruler?

[GraceK]

29 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Sansa has been through hell, and obviously processed her emotions if these spoilers are true, she doesn't go crazy even after having been through more than almost anyone.

Except she hasn’t been through “ more than anyone”. That’s bullshit. And she still fed someone to their dogs to be eaten alive out of vengeance. And the idea that the only female character left alive in a position of power is the one thats the most traditionally feminine, and is the one that fits the description of the most standard “ passive , princess “ archetype, is insulting. Gee that’s “ groundbreaking “ 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 I’ve never seen that before!!!’

Edited May 4, 2019 by GraceK

[Umbelina]

Just now, anamika said:

So a group of nobles elect Bran who rules supreme over all the other FEUDAL houses and that's is different to the current scenario, how?

What in anything of the last 3 episodes makes you think that Bran is an effective ruler?

We don't know that only nobles elected him.

Bran isn't going to RULE, he's going to oversee.  There is a huge difference there.  He, with his abilities and lack of prejudice should be able to stop them if they are about to do something detrimental to the human race as a whole.  I doubt he'll bother with day to day issues, UNLESS someone is about to do something that hurts the human race.

[anamika]

2 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

We don't know that only nobles elected him.

You are saying that there's going to a Westeros wide election going to happen for Bran Stark at the end of it all?

You, know at this point I really want that to happen. Maybe the show would be more enjoyable as a parody/comedy.

Edited May 4, 2019 by anamika

[chrisvee]

9 hours ago, SimoneS said:

Another thing about those leaks which were posted months ago, Jon stabbing Dany in the heart ties in with the lyrics of the GoT song, "Power is Power" which would have been recorded months before its recent release The lyrics expressly state that only love could kill "Dany" and a knife in her heart, but it does suggest that she is resurrected. There is nothing about that in the leaks, only Drogon taking her body away. I really hope this is all random and wild coincidence. 

Gotta be honest I thought Drogon was giving Jon a really suspicious look in 8.01. I don’t think he trusts him with ‘mom’.

OAS Bran is a religious figure within the context of this world and won’t be ruling or overseeing anything political at the end.

Edited May 4, 2019 by chrisvee

[Umbelina]

10 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Except she hasn’t been through “ more than anyone”. That’s bullshit. And she still fed someone to their dogs to be eaten alive out of vengeance. And the idea that the only female character left alive in a position of power is the one thats the most traditionally feminine, and is the one that fits the description of the most standard “ passive , princess “ archetype, is insulting. 

I don't understand how Sansa ruling The North would fit into what appears to be a fledgling democracy.  Maybe she stands for election and she wins, or maybe she just becomes a housewife who lives in Winterfell.   Killing her torturor and rapist IS "dealing with it."  She didn't kill thousands in a rage, she killed him.

For Sansa I think it's more that nearly everyone hated the nitwit (with good reason) but her silly "traditionally feminine" stuff is long gone.  She's not the silly twit who wanted to marry Joffrey and be Queen of Westeros anymore, she's become far wiser and far more careful.

meh, it's an arc I can see GRRM writing. 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina
Corrected "The North"

[Umbelina]

4 minutes ago, anamika said:

You are saying that there's going to a Westeros wide election going to happen for Bran Stark at the end of it all?

You, know at this point I really want that to happen. Maybe the show would be more enjoyable as a parody/comedy.

I'M not saying it, the spoiler is.

I doubt it's Westeros wide, much of Westeros is devastated, it's probably a group of those left standing, soldiers, factions from the various armies, former slaves, whomever makes it through the battle alive.  I mean if the spoilers are true?  What possible "Noble" people could even be there?  Most of them are dead.

[Stallion12]

41 minutes ago, SeanC said:

But none of those are what the supposed leaks say.  They claim Jon takes the black.

GRRM is the last author who would care about Jon and Dany being nephew and aunt.  He's written uncritically positive presentations of brother-sister marriages.

There has been no buildup for an ending that suddenly gets rid of kings.

Exactly how I feel.

[SeanC]

13 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

3.  In the books, there certainly is.  As I said earlier, I think GRRM's absolute best writing is when he describes the lives of the small folk.  Horrible before the Kings began warring again, and, if not already dead by murder or starvation, even worse one The Game of Thrones began again.

The books certainly explore the pitfalls of feudalism and monarchy in detail.

But that's different from the books leading to getting rid of such a system.  That's what's missing from the books, and in particular from the arcs of the main characters who would be the ones bringing about such a change -- any sort of alternative political theory being formulated.

It's not even that there haven't been avenues to explore this, either.  Dany spent six seasons/five books in Essos, a place with numerous different forms of oligarchic government apart from monarchy.  Tyrion in the books travels through Volantis, which has a sort of triumvirate government with political parties, but this makes no dent in his thinking.

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ETA in a way, it's not just Kings or Queens that would be gone, the question of religion should also be resolved.  After all, Bran knows all.  No more warring religious figures either.

What question of religion?  That's hardly been raised at all even in the books, let alone in the show.  Cersei murdered the pope two seasons ago and nobody even blinked.

7 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Again, Bran is not a typical King, but head of a council, he can't have children so inherited power is over.

It's not, though?  Everybody below the king is inherited, most obviously, but the fact that Bran can't have children doesn't mean whoever eventually replaces him can't.

[Jextella]

Sansa has green eyes.  Isn't that the color that remains?

[Stallion12]

1 minute ago, Jextella said:

Sansa has green eyes.  Isn't that the color that remains?

Yes, but so does cersi.

[SeanC]

22 minutes ago, Jextella said:

Sansa has green eyes.  Isn't that the color that remains?

Sophie's eyes are grey (they occasionally look green or blue depending on environmental factors -- usually the latter on the show, particularly since she's spent the last four seasons in Blue Filter land).

Arya has also killed scores of people on the show already.  I'm sure some of them had green eyes.

Edited May 4, 2019 by SeanC

[Umbelina]

47 minutes ago, SeanC said:

What question of religion?  That's hardly been raised at all even in the books, let alone in the show.  Cersei murdered the pope two seasons ago and nobody even blinked.

Religion is everywhere in the books.  Everywhere.  Red Priestresses, Old Gods, New Gods, Faceless Men with their God of Death, the group the Hound stays with, too many to even remember them all really.  Constantly involved in plot.

On the show Cersei murdered him without consequence, much different than in the books, where we really don't know what will happen.  Still.

47 minutes ago, SeanC said:

It's not, though?  Everybody below the king is inherited, most obviously, but the fact that Bran can't have children doesn't mean whoever eventually replaces him can't. 

Does Bran even die? 

47 minutes ago, SeanC said:

The books certainly explore the pitfalls of feudalism and monarchy in detail.

But that's different from the books leading to getting rid of such a system.  That's what's missing from the books, and in particular from the arcs of the main characters who would be the ones bringing about such a change -- any sort of alternative political theory being formulated.

It's not even that there haven't been avenues to explore this, either.  Dany spent six seasons/five books in Essos, a place with numerous different forms of oligarchic government apart from monarchy.  Tyrion in the books travels through Volantis, which has a sort of triumvirate government with political parties, but this makes no dent in his thinking.

We have two books, possibly THREE to go.  This is end game stuff on the TV show.  GRRM has been laying the groundwork that would support this, including the examples you site.  Will it happen?  Who knows?  Just by looking at the spoilers and discussing them though, they do make a certain amount of sense to me. 

It would probably be more like a relatively powerless head of state (say Queen Elizabeth II only it's Bran who apparently doesn't die, or at least shouldn't for a very long time, so steadiness there) with her parliament of sorts, and a "commonwealth" set up for sharing of goods and cooperation between the former "Houses" areas, and what better time for agreement about that than when almost every single "Nobel" is dead, and the country is thoroughly sick of war, and has SO much to rebuild?

Anyway, I don't know if the spoilers are true or a bunch of BS, I just could happily live with a fleshed out well version of them.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina

[Constantinople]

I don't know how or why Bran would end up as any kind of king, prime minister or whatever, whether as a figurehead or something more.  Even as a councilor, he's somewhat deficient since he comes across as more of an oracle than an advisor.

And if Bran wanted to be a leader, he could point out that, as the eldest surviving son of Ned Stark, he is the Lord of Winterfell, not Sansa. Yet he's essentially abdicated that claim.

[ShellsandCheese]

2 hours ago, Umbelina said:

It could be that the death of Rhaegar, and others close to her, or their perceived betrayal of her gets her so angry she does what she often does, BURN and kill those who disagree with her.

I’ve never witnessed Dany on the show burn or kill anyone simply because they disagree with her.  

She killed Drogo in season one to put him out of his misery. Burned the Priestess to complete a ritual. 

She left Doreah and Xaro locked in the vault because they betrayed her. And stole her dragons. 

She killed Kraznys mo Nakloz (Drogon) after she “purchased” the Unsullied. And after he spent practically a whole season insulting and disrespecting her, not realizing that she spoke the language. 

Burns the masters due to the uprising and murder of B. Selmy

Burns the Temple of the Dosh Kaleen 

The Tarly’s (Drogon) 

None of these things happened simply because someone disagreed with her. And she didn’t just wildly burn people. None of these people were killed in the heat of the moment or as a byproduct of Dany not being able to control herself. They were all thought out and done for a very specific reason. 

Also, if Dany really only cared about the Throne she could have easily wiped out everybody at the Dragonpits last season. Drogon and Rhaegal could have taken everyone in about five seconds, lol. So she has shown herself as someone who is willing to follow certain rules of engagement. So I don’t think she’s mad - and I have a hard time believing that D&D will be able to sell and justify that narrative in the remaining few hours of the show. 

[GraceK]

The people who keep pushing the “Dany burns people who disagree agree with her“ narrative are those who clearly lack an understanding of her character and have a very clear bias against her.  It’s not surprising they are on these leaks like white on rice. Sorry not sorry. 

Edited May 4, 2019 by GraceK

[Callista]

4 hours ago, SimoneS said:

I agree both leaks can't be true. The timing does seem suspect for the TSDF leak, but it is also possible that more people in the industry have now seen the episodes so word has gotten out. I do think that the ending will be controversial. It is the only explanation for why D&D are going into hiding. 

Sure, the ending will be controversial, but it doesn't mean that "Jon kills Dany" is the only possible controversial ending. It could be another important character dying (Tyrion, etc.), for instance.

[Sew Sumi]

I think we're going to be left hanging. And THAT is why D&D are hiding.

[Callista]

4 hours ago, chrisvee said:

Gotta be honest I thought Drogon was giving Jon a really suspicious look in 8.01. I don’t think he trusts him with ‘mom’.

Funny, though, that the leaks say Drogon simply picks up Dany's body and flies off.  Wouldn't he first burn Jon to a crisp for killing 'mom'?

[Callista]

5 hours ago, Umbelina said:

You're welcome!

These spoilers could all be BS, but I kind of like some of them, at least as a book ending.  I like the dragon burning down the throne, for example.  I LOVE not having a King or Queen, I'm pleased with Sansa getting Winterfell.

I think the Dragons really did all have to die, without a NK, it doesn't fit the mythology to still have dragons.

When and how does Drogon die according to those leaks?  I can't recall reading this.

[Umbelina]

12 minutes ago, Callista said:

When and how does Drogon die according to those leaks?  I can't recall reading this.

Maybe Drogon doesn't die, I've read so much the past couple of days, and someone could have screwed up a dragon name.

Maybe Drogon heads north with Jon?  That might be cool, as long as he doesn't eat any people.

I've been watching the inside the episodes, and it's honestly amazing how much work and thought everyone put into this.  I feel a little bit bad for D and D if they think they need to be drunk and in seclusion after the finale.

I think I read the scorpions kill Drogon, and Euron's fleet kills the other dragon.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina

[GraceK]

20 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Maybe Drogon heads north with Jon?  That might be cool, as long as he doesn't eat any people.

Lmao that’s funny. So Jon kills Dany but gets her most loyal Dragon? So it’s totally okay if he has a Dragon? But Dany can’t be trusted with one? Right. 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 thats some amazing penis armor. If Jon kills Dany, Drogon will eat his ass. Unbelievable...I seriously can’t with this ugh it’s like I’m in a hell scape..Or 4chan...🤦🏻‍♀️

Edited May 4, 2019 by GraceK

[Callista]

4 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Lmao that’s funny. So Jon kills Dany but gets her most loyal Dragon? So it’s totally okay if he has a Dragon? But Dany can’t be trusted with one? Right. 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 thats some amazing penis armor. If Jon kills Dany, Drogon will eat his ass. Unbelievable...I seriously can’t with this ugh it’s like I’m in a hell scape..Or 4chan...🤦🏻‍♀️

Don't worry--since dragons apparently don't like the North (including the food), Drogon will go mad and gobble Jon up. 🙂

[GraceK]

Just now, Callista said:

Don't worry--since dragons apparently don't like the North (including the food), Drogon will go mad and gobble Jon up. 🙂

Here’s hoping 🤞 😂

[Umbelina]

11 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Lmao that’s funny. So Jon kills Dany but gets her most loyal Dragon? So it’s totally okay if he has a Dragon? But Dany can’t be trusted with one? Right. 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 thats some amazing penis armor. If Jon kills Dany, Drogon will eat his ass. Unbelievable...I seriously can’t with this ugh it’s like I’m in a hell scape..Or 4chan...🤦🏻‍♀️

I was joking.  😉

I do wonder how scorpions kill dragons though.  ?

[WindyNights]

Well Tywin mentions that whoever wins is going to start a thousand year dynasty and Cersei says the same thing. 

I can imagine that Bran lives a thousand years connected to a weirwood throne as God-King of Westeros with Sansa/Arya continuing the Stark line. 

The books even have it mention that Bran is going to outlive everyone. 

"ONE GOD, ONE REALM, ONE KING!"

[Callista]

2 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I was joking.  😉

I do wonder how scorpions kill dragons though.  ?

So Cersei's plan for the Targaryen queen was simply to use lots of scorpions on the dragons? I'd been hoping for something new and more interesting. Too bad she didn't get her elephants.

[Nightingale]

An old leaker who gave exact summaries of season 7 episodes just became active again and confirms Missandei's death by execution and Rhaegal being killed by the GC, probably next episode. Also Jaime and Brienne having a love scene.

I'm shocked at how many confirmations of those stupid leaks we seem to get every hour or so, but it's becoming more and more difficult to ignore them.

I guess the only way to make Dany "crazy" is by killing everyone around her. Genius! 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Nightingale

[GraceK]

I feel better now actually. The more confirmations we get, the more I’m convinced they are fake. I’m pretty convinced now they are a red herring or false scenes leaked by hbo. No way in hell would HBO be so loose in having such juicy endgame spoilers be leaked like this if they were legit.  Not with the level of security and NDAs they have. 😊

Edited May 4, 2019 by GraceK

[Nightingale]

5 minutes ago, GraceK said:

I feel better now actually. The more confirmations we get, the more I’m convinced they are fake. I’m pretty convinced now they are a red herring or false scenes leaked by hbo. No way in hell would HBO be so loose in having such juicy endgame spoilers be leaked like this if they were legit.  Not with the level of security and NDAs they have. 😊

I wish I had your faith. I agree that everyone suddenly backing that leak is a bit suspicious but these leakers don't seem to be linked with each other. At least the one I posted doesn't know anything about Jon killing Dany yet.

I just can't believe the actors would praise that stuff. Granted, they're paid millions to fake it but still... And D&D hoping the debates will be about whether it's an A or an A+? Good luck with that.

[tvduser93]

With resurrected Jon's journey ending and growing ruthlessness of the dragons, it's only a matter of HOW Dany dies.

Either willingly with Jon or unwillingly at the hands of Jon.

[Morrigan2575]

5 hours ago, WindyNights said:

can imagine that Bran lives a thousand years connected to a weirwood throne as God-King of Westeros with Sansa/Arya continuing the Stark line. 

That's going way into Dune territory are we on the Golden Path? 😁

[chrisvee]

This is the ultimate rocks fall everyone dies.  These spoilers are falling like bird poop from the skies.

I can actually see Cersei having Missandei beheaded and that driving Grey Worm nuts.

I can see Jon surviving and going to live with whatever wildings are left.

I can see both dragons dead. 

I can see Tyrion turning coat either to support Sansa or Lannister heirs.

Other than that...these feel like crap.

ETA: I wonder if D&D altered the characters from their book versions so much that trying to get to GRRM’s ending is going to require some whiplash.

Edited May 4, 2019 by chrisvee

[onyxrose81]

I feel bad for Emilia/Dany fans if true. She has a contest where some will watch the last ep with her.  So she’s going to make them watch Jon kill Dany?  That’s horrible.  

I can’t wait until the end so I can forget this show ever existed. I thought the feeling I had with Battlestar was painful. This is even worse. 

Edited May 4, 2019 by onyxrose81

[BooBear]

3 hours ago, Nightingale said:

I wish I had your faith. I agree that everyone suddenly backing that leak is a bit suspicious but these leakers don't seem to be linked with each other. At least the one I posted doesn't know anything about Jon killing Dany yet.

For me the tip off is that it contradicts the earlier statements the cast made. Such as that the end was bittersweet. I cannot see those spoilers are "bittersweet". I feel this is just a way to get people to watch. Every single episode is hyped. Suddenly they are all on Kimmel going on about how the next episode is crazy. You might say, why? Well clearly to justify the spin offs they are hoping to make.   They want the numbers to appear gangbusters. 

[tangerine95]

21 minutes ago, onyxrose81 said:

I feel bad for Emilia/Dany fans if true. She has a contest where some will watch the last ep with her.  So she’s going to make them watch Jon kill Dany?  That’s horrible.  

I can’t wait until the end so I can forget this show ever existed. I thought the feeling I had with Battlestar was painful. This is even worse. 

Same,I think I'm going to stop watching already tbh

Edited May 4, 2019 by tangerine95

[Stallion12]

I feel like the supposed leaked ending would kill interest in the spinoffs it'll be so hated, I'm hoping it's fake.