Good Girls - General Discussion

[BoogieBurns]

17 hours ago, helenamonster said:

Another thing I've been wanting to point out for a while is that it's refreshing to have a show with three female leads who all look like real women. Ok, maybe Christina Hendricks to a slightly lesser extent, but what I'm saying is none of them are size 00s and that's a nice change for network tv.

Interesting that you say that about Christina Hendricks. I was looking at her in jeans in this episode and I was like "I think I have the EXACT same body as Christina Hendricks, that's pretty cool, a normal gal on TV." I think her sweet voice may up the "pin-up gal" factor, as I can guarantee I'm no sexpot based on measurements alone. 

But yeah, I really like that a girl who likely wears a 10/12 is the sexy one in a show. I am not sure I've ever seen it before on other shows I frequent. The happily married woman is in plus sizes. The young cool one is also a normal attainable size, even if she's thin. 

Great job show!

[Kel Varnsen]

12 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Uggg just when you think Boomer couldn't be any worse, we find out he was stealing from his poor grandma. What a piece of crap he was. That tiny freezer was too dignified for him. 

Mary Pat, this is why you dont murder people around your kids and hack their bodies up! Oh, kids just say the darnedest things! So how will she get out of this one? 

Every time I start feeling a bit bad for Dean, I get reminded that he is also a total loser. Not only is he not that good at what he does, but he totally devalues Beth, who is still dealing with him even after everything he pulled on her, even when she is actively trying to bail them out of the mess that he himself made! 

That being said, Dean is still a better romantic choice than Rio, who is hot and at least knows that Beth is smart and capable, but he is also a violent criminal who is quick to destroy property and threaten and hurt innocent people. So...Dean has not being a probably murderer going for him I guess? 

It is probably too late for this, but Beth's best option was probably to kill Rio, the divorce Dean. Use the infidelity and the fake cancer to clean him out in the divorce (taking the dealership if she could). Then run that. Hell the fake cancer and the cheating would probably be a big help in her getting custody of the kids. And at this point, at least in the show's logic if a gang boss disappears there would be a long list of suspects before her.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

It is probably too late for this, but Beth's best option was probably to kill Rio, the divorce Dean. Use the infidelity and the fake cancer to clean him out in the divorce (taking the dealership if she could). Then run that. Hell the fake cancer and the cheating would probably be a big help in her getting custody of the kids. And at this point, at least in the show's logic if a gang boss disappears there would be a long list of suspects before her.

I think by now he has enough dirt on her that he could hurt her more in the divorce than she could him.  He's a scumbag, but hasn't done anything illegal.  

[BonnieD]

If Dean is paying for the new cars for his lot using counterfeit money, isn't that a sure recipe for getting busted? How does it launder the money if he's using the cash up front, and how can he pay the car companies with stacks of bills instead of by check? If he puts the money into the bank, then those bills will definitely be recognized as fake. I must be completely misunderstanding the situation because it just doesn't work.

Maybe he's getting for the new vehicles on credit then paying the car manufacturers' bills with customer money but somehow feeding in the fake money? No. That doesn't make sense either. The entire scenarios is problematic for me. Does anyone understand the supposed set up?

[Kel Varnsen]

On 3/26/2019 at 2:17 PM, Julia67 said:

Beth needs some help from Walter or Skylar White!  They can tell her all she needs to know about money laundering.  Maybe she should buy a car wash! 😉  It would be funny if they had her watching old episodes of "Breaking Bad".  Of course, she is no where near the caliber of WW but you know what I mean!

Even Skylar (even Saul) might have problems with this situation. The car wash only turned illegally earned money into legally earned. On this show it is a step beyond that since their money is illegally earned but also fake.

1 hour ago, BonnieD said:

If Dean is paying for the new cars for his lot using counterfeit money, isn't that a sure recipe for getting busted? How does it launder the money if he's using the cash up front, and how can he pay the car companies with stacks of bills instead of by check? If he puts the money into the bank, then those bills will definitely be recognized as fake. I must be completely misunderstanding the situation because it just doesn't work.

Maybe he's getting for the new vehicles on credit then paying the car manufacturers' bills with customer money but somehow feeding in the fake money? No. That doesn't make sense either. The entire scenarios is problematic for me. Does anyone understand the supposed set up?

When I first heard the plan I thought he was going to use the fake cash to buy used cars from random private sellers. Then fake the paperwork to make it look like the cars cost less than what he actually paid in fake money. Then sell them at his lot for real money. That might not have been totally credible, but it would have made more sense then him buying new cars with fake cash (that he can't explain) from the manufacturers. 

[helenamonster]

4 hours ago, BoogieBurns said:

Interesting that you say that about Christina Hendricks. I was looking at her in jeans in this episode and I was like "I think I have the EXACT same body as Christina Hendricks, that's pretty cool, a normal gal on TV." I think her sweet voice may up the "pin-up gal" factor, as I can guarantee I'm no sexpot based on measurements alone. 

But yeah, I really like that a girl who likely wears a 10/12 is the sexy one in a show. I am not sure I've ever seen it before on other shows I frequent. The happily married woman is in plus sizes. The young cool one is also a normal attainable size, even if she's thin. 

Great job show!

That's a good point about her voice. There's also always going to be a little part of me that will never divorce her from her Mad Men context, and I can say with confidence that her body on that show (enhanced by a stunning wardrobe) was bananas bonkers out of this world. She was also always presented as the sexiest, most desirable woman at SCDP (for better or worse).

But for sure on this show, when she's just in regular upper middle class stay-at-home-mom clothes there is definitely more of a realness to her.

[andipandi]

This is sitting on my dvr and I am avoiding it.

[Chaos Theory]

8 hours ago, andipandi said:

This is sitting on my dvr and I am avoiding it.

Mine too but then I hit a day I didn't have anything to watch....and my God I remember why I liked it so much.    Beth and Rio continue to have smoking hot chemistry.   Dean continues to be a strange mix of condicending and incompetent.  Ruby and Stan continue to be a sweet couple.    Annie for me has always been the weak link .  Don't care about any of her stuff.   

[Trini]

1 minute ago, Chaos Theory said:

Dean continues to be a strange mix of condicending and incompetent. 

I felt bad for Beth in this episode, not just because Dean treated her badly, but that she actually had faith in him that he was good at his job at least, but no, he sucks at that too.

[Glory]

12 hours ago, Trini said:

I felt bad for Beth in this episode, not just because Dean treated her badly, but that she actually had faith in him that he was good at his job at least, but no, he sucks at that too.

Yeah, this. She really, truly thought he could sell cars. And then 10 minutes on the lot with him and she sees what a tool he is. 

True story - I once walked right out of a dealership when I was trying to buy a new car because the salesman would not directly address me and kept asking questions of my husband. My husband even said to the guy "She's the boss and she's driving this car. Talk to her." But the guy would just not listen to me. 

So I left, found a salesman at a different lot that would actually look me in the eyes and bought a car from him. 

I'm not sure what Annie thinks she's doing with Boomer's grandma. It's sweet and stuff. But she has to know that getting involved with a dead guys grandmother is going to connect her to Boomer even more. Stupid. 

Ruby is the only person on this show with a brain. Loved her giving out money at the payday place. I wonder what she's going to say to her husband about how they paid off the loan. 

[Raja]

13 minutes ago, Glory said:

I'm not sure what Annie thinks she's doing with Boomer's grandma. It's sweet and stuff. But she has to know that getting involved with a dead guys grandmother is going to connect her to Boomer even more. Stupid. 

Ruby is the only person on this show with a brain. Loved her giving out money at the payday place. I wonder what she's going to say to her husband about how they paid off the loan. 

They are good girls, armed robbers but still basically good. She feels bad for grandma  and grandma didn't try to rape her

[Chaos Theory]

10 hours ago, Raja said:

They are good girls, armed robbers but still basically good. She feels bad for grandma  and grandma didn't try to rape her

I think that is the issue that keeps getting explored.  These three women eventually do the right thing (more or less).  They are not going to kill the gangster or even the rapist.   They have no idea how to actually wash money.  They feel bad about disposing a dead body even if it means they won’t go to jail.  The trouble always comes when they are forced into making hard choices on how far they are willing to actually go to get what they need.   The bad people are the ones who keep pushing them just a little bit further down the line. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[GodsBeloved]

Popping in to say I binged season one right before season 2 and decided to put it on the DVR.

I am traumatized seeing Matt Saracen, QB 1 for the Dillon Panthers, Seven, Matt Freaking Saracen  cheating on his pregnant wife.

Matt The Adulterer Saracen ... what has the world come to?

Edited March 29, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[PsychoDrone]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:49 AM, Glory said:

Ruby is the only person on this show with a brain. Loved her giving out money at the payday place. I wonder what she's going to say to her husband about how they paid off the loan. 

The comeuppance of the payday loan worker was good, but not very smart.  How is she going to explain paying off the loan AND giving money away like it's candy?  Somehow, this should come back to bite her.  Will her explanation be plausible?  Let's watch!!

[Anela]

Beth found out about there being no cancer, when Dean got into the accident in the season finale. I guess it was overshadowed by his being shot. 

[BuckeyeLou]

On 3/25/2019 at 5:23 PM, Lovecat said:

If the Cloud Nines on Good Girls are run by the same bunch on Superstore, our girls have nothing to worry about 😉  Unless Dina's on the case.  She's a bulldog.

[NBC's little in-joke still really cracks me up!]

I noticed that too....very funny of NBC to do 🙂

[Trini]

Sneak peek clip:

[Chaos Theory]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:49 AM, Glory said:

Ruby is the only person on this show with a brain. Loved her giving out money at the payday place. I wonder what she's going to say to her husband about how they paid off the loan. 

Beth is pretty smart was well.  Her idea with the car dealership was a good one.  Her husband is a misogynistic idiot who won't take her advise.  She hand's him a box full of money and then even gives him advise on how to find a niche for the dealership that might actually work to sell to harried mothers but Dean wants to sell to single rich businessman.    He doesn't want to sell family cars.  He wants to sell sports cars.     Beth's biggest mistake has always been taking Rio at his word.  

Edited March 31, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[LaMatadita]

6 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Beth's biggest mistake has always been taking Rio at his word.

I think her biggest mistake has always been not taking any of the chances he's given her to get out of the game. He's given her an out at least 3 times, and she's come back to him on her own every single time.

Having said that, I do understand what you mean to some extent. I would really like to see Beth actually, I dunno, question Rio? Demand a real explanation? Set some boundaries? Create a little more dialogue when he tells her to do something? I understand that he and Beth have their own language that consists of mutual mindfucks and revenge schemes, and most of the time I can parse what's going on between them pretty well even when it's not explicitly stated, but there are times when I would like to see them communicate like actual humans. I do recall Beth telling him not to put a gun in her face again in the first season, and (so far) he has respected her wishes on that point. For a long time I wanted her to tell him to stop calling her "bitch," and she never did, but then he started calling her "boss bitch" in a complimentary way, so I got over it. I've wondered why she's never asked him to stop entering her house uninvited, or at least changed the locks and installed a security system, and I can't decide if it's because the writers just enjoy having him pop up unexpectedly, or if Beth actually gets a thrill out of it but won't consciously admit it to herself. "What makes you think it's okay to just come into my home whenever you feel like it?" "You've never changed the locks." 

But really, I would like to see Beth say something along the lines of, "Yes, we hooked up in a bathroom, and I enjoyed it while it was happening, but what did you expect? For me to leave my husband, who now knows all about my criminal activity and would most certainly use it to get custody of my children? For me to be your gangster queen? Because now all you've got is an unwilling partner, so you better fix it."

On another note... as much as I can't stand Dean, I must admit I'm actually impressed that he not only stayed in the same room as Rio in that last episode, but even tried to stand up to him, considering that Rio is the man who missed killing him by, what, an inch? Half an inch? I think that's literally the ONLY time I've ever been impressed by Dean, but that did take some bravery.

[Trini]

Nooooo! Don't go after Stan & Ruby! They're my favorites, and they're just starting to be okay again! I really want them to be okay the most out of everyone. I still hate that Stan has been roped into this mess, but I did like his and Ruby's opening scenes with him using his cop brain to go over everything.

I don't want Mary Pat dead, but she's not making a compelling case to stay alive, though. Trying to pin the murder on the Girls sounds about right for her.

Did the girls wear gloves when they got rid of Boomer? I don't remember. I'm just trying to think of what direct evidence might be out there.

Well alright then - they're just straight up saying that Beth's turned on by Rio's thuggish ways. I'm with Annie for once: this isn't going to end well for anyone.

And again the show is wildly unrealistic about businesses. I HIGHLY doubt anyone could make $200,000 cash by "giving away" cars. Anyway, Beth taking over the dealership is a good step forward, too bad her "business partner" is taking 60%.

So how exactly did Rio get the body?? Not even the Girls knew where it was, but he got it before the cops who were all over that landfill?? Even if he had a cop working for him, I don't see how they could have gotten it away without getting noticed.

[TrininisaScorp]

My career is being a psychologist, but I'm an Industrial/Organizational (read: business) psychologist.  Imma, however, put my clinical hat on for a minute for that opening scene with Beth and her friendly night table vibrator.  Holy. Shit.  So, Rio's thugish-rugish thing gets her off (LITERALLY!!!).  Beth.  Girl.  Damn.  That's a whole lot to take in, but we've all suspected that she isn't turned off by his whole shtick, and now we have confirmation that not only is she not turned off, but she is into it.  I'm curious if it scares her too, as fear and attraction don't have to be far apart for some folks.   I wonder if Beth feels like before this boss bitch situation, she was sleeping through her life. Undoubtedly, Rio's confidence in her competence adds to why she's into him.  He must represent so much to her (freedom, swag, strength, etc), and he comes in this pretty packaging.  What does she want?  Him?  Or what he represents?  This is a very interesting well.  

Though it has been shown all week in the adverts, I loved the scene where the girls ask Rio to "take care" of Mary Pat.  Annie sees her as a nuisance, Ruby hopes he doesn't have to kill her, and Beth just wants the situation sorted.   His cheeky "need to think about about?  Bathroom break?" made me laugh; he likes messing with Beth so much, and I think he is treating this as a bit of an inside joke.  The follow-up scene with the money hand off (and the lingering touching of hands...I see you two!), and the girls finding out Brio was nicely done.  Annie and Beth clearly have spent their lives throwing verbal missiles at each other, and you see how practiced they both are at cutting to the quick.  Even though (thanks to Manny's fine ass), I'm feeling the Rio thing, Beth has to know this is 100% going to end badly for all involved.  Annie isn't wrong.  IRL situations my reaction is decidedly Ruby's...I'm not a judgmental person, and my friends are grown ass women, so I just care that my friend is happy/safe and is willing to share how the sauce is (LOL).  Rhetta's line readings and facial expressions in that entire scene (and her cool sweater) gave me life. 

Dean is a piece of shit.  Of course he cheated with other women.  Of course he made sure to tell Beth that it is essentially her fault (and it sounds like she had postpartum). Of course he is going to say he has sex addiction and sent books to his Kindle.  Of course he is shitty at selling cars.  GTFO, man.   It was so satisfying to see him get sent home to take care of his kids (for once!), while Beth earns for the family.  

Oh Annie.  Girl.  Did you have to tell Sadie about you and Greg in that moment?  Is that not something you and Greg should have done together (if at all)?  Much of her problem in life is about timing.  

I love Ruby and I love Stan, and that they are clearly ride or die.  Mary Pat is a POS for giving up Stan to the agent, but what else is she going to do?  I hope Stan is okay, and it doesn't get ugly.

I loved Beth's revamp of the car dealership and her terrible regional commercial.  

Scene of the night for me goes to Agent and Mary Pat trying to spell machete.  It was slapstick and so serious. I was cackling.

Edited April 1, 2019 by TrininisaScorp

[LaMatadita]

This episode might be my favorite of the season so far. I usually find the show funny, but I feel like I laughed even more than usual throughout this one, and it also had some things that I've missed, like Annie spending time with Sadie. And as much as I enjoy Beth and Rio's chemistry, in real life, Ruby and Stan are definitely the more desirable relationship goal. 

I'm wondering if there's more to how Rio found the body, or if that's just going to be glossed over. I'm guessing that the money was not actually for him to keep, but rather for him to pay off some dirty cops to hide the body or give it to him. Could Stan actually have something to do with it? I'm not sure how that would be possible, but it seemed like there was a quick fakeout where we were supposed to think that maybe Stan found the body and got rid of it, but then it turned out that Rio just came through with that they paid him to do. It made me think that Stan will turn out to be involved after all.

On 3/31/2019 at 10:08 PM, TrininisaScorp said:

My career is being a psychologist, but I'm an Industrial/Organizational (read: business) psychologist.  Imma, however, put my clinical hat on for a minute for that opening scene with Beth and her friendly night table vibrator.  Holy. Shit.  So, Rio's thugish-rugish thing gets her off (LITERALLY!!!).  Beth.  Girl.  Damn.  That's a whole lot to take in, but we've all suspected that she isn't turned off by his whole shtick, and now we have confirmation that not only is she not turned off, but she is into it.  I'm curious if it scares her too, as fear and attraction don't have to be far apart for some folks.   I wonder if Beth feels like before this boss bitch situation, she was sleeping through her life. Undoubtedly, Rio's confidence in her competence adds to why she's into him.  He must represent so much to her (freedom, swag, strength, etc), and he comes in this pretty packaging.  What does she want?  Him?  Or what he represents?  This is a very interesting well.

I was so glad that this scene was included, although I did laugh through most of it because I found it hilarious that a fully-clothed Rio smashing a lamp is a bigger turn-on for Beth than her toad of a husband. My mother and I both watch the show, and we have had several conversations along the same train of thought as your above musings, so I'm glad the writers finally spelled it out.

My take at the moment is that Rio is more into Beth as a person than Beth is into Rio as a person. I think part of that is because Rio's thug persona was already fully developed when they met, so he is very enigmatic and there's not much for her to hold onto other than his physicality (which, let me just say, is quite a package on its own) and his power. Beth is only just starting to put together her boss bitch persona, so I think he has a much clearer picture of the whole Beth than she has of the whole Rio, if that makes sense. From her perspective, he's ridiculously hot, dangerous, looks at her like she's the sexiest woman alive, and gives her his full attention when she talks. Already a vast improvement over Dean, but still not much to base real feelings on. I do think he's given her a few peeks into what's behind the armor, but not enough for her to feel like she really knows who he is.

Also, just as Beth is turned on by his thug routine, I think Rio has his own little fetish about Beth's mommy of the year act. I still remember the way he made "mama van" sound kinky last season, and when he was messing with her at the car dealership after their hookup, he called her "ma." I think there may be more examples, but those are the ones that come to mind.

That scene where Annie and Ruby find out about Beth and Rio hooking up has been around in promos since before the season began, so it was nice to see it in full. I love that Ruby had no judgment and got stuck on wondering what it was like. And for what it's worth, I don't think Annie's judgment of Beth was comparable to Beth's previous judgment of Annie's choice of sexual partners. The married guy that took the receipt did put them at risk, but I don't think that compares to Beth banging the guy who shot her husband as payback for getting him arrested. For once, Annie is right. 

I also feel like I need to watch the "Do you trust me?" scene again to figure out what it was about that particular exchange that finally helped Annie tweak to what had happened between them, because I feel like I would have figured it out just from the "You're lucky I'm even speaking to you right now" way Rio was acting toward Beth the first time they all met him in the bar. He's usually either all business or gleefully messing with Beth, but he was reaching pretty deep into his hurt manfeelings in that first scene.

Edited April 5, 2019 by LaMatadita

[Guest]

Did Annie really confess to her daughter that she had had sexual with her father right as she was about to go into school. Timing! Don’t be selfish for once. I thought it was a sweet scene where she was telling her daughter stuff in case she got arrested that day, but it was really more about unburdening herself. 

Stan and Ruby... I hate that Mary Pat might have just gotten Stan in trouble. She’s so irritating - she killed Boomer and dismembered him and now she’s complaining about accommodations while throwing the people who helped her under the bus. I get that they initially brought her into a bad business that could have gotten her in trouble, but since then, she has blackmailed them, had them help her dispose of a body, and set them up for a fall. And why would the agent believe her when her son clearly said she put “daddy” in the freezer- her story didn’t make sense. They chopped him up and put him in her freezer and her kids saw? None of that is plausible. But also, wouldn’t by now the agent have found who Beth’s potential accomplices are? And wouldn’t he have done enough research to know Stan is a cop?

[Chaos Theory]

Annie is still the weak link of the show for me.  She is having an affair with her ex and she is still all over Beth for her thing with Rio (which is I admit ill advised but she did it when she believed Rio was a non issue). 

I am more curious then ever what even drew Beth and Dean together in the first place.  Was Dean a  good guy at one point and years of marriage, job stress, and a wife with postpartum turned him into a douchebag?  What I like about Rio and Beth is that they seem to be equally into each other for different reasons.  Beth is fascinated by the thug life and Rio is intrigued by how good a housewife is at it.

Loved the opening scenes between Ruby and Stan.  Of course once Pat got herself back in trouble with FBI guy (FYI loved his scene with Beth) she pointed out Ruby and Stan.  I don’t get her at all.  Why go to the cops right off when she is the one who killed a guy?

Edited April 1, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[Empress1]

6 hours ago, TrininisaScorp said:

Dean is a piece of shit.  Of course he cheated with other women.  Of course he made sure to tell Beth that it is essentially her fault (and it sounds like she had postpartum). Of course he is going to say he has sex addiction and sent books to his Kindle.  Of course he is shitty at selling cars.  GTFO, man. 

Dean is THE WORST. And ...

28 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am more curious then ever what even drew Beth and Dean together in the first place.

I don't get this either. There is nothing appealing about him. He's not even cute.

"I mean ... How was it? ... Was it good?" I LOVE RETTA.

[Slider]

On 3/26/2019 at 8:45 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

I wondered about that too. The getting away with murder stuff I can handwave since they are banking on surburban moms being the last person anyone would suspect of anything. But the money laundering thing made no sense. Dean bought those cars with the fake cash but there was no papertrail for how his business got that cash. Also if Dean is such a terrible salesman he tries to sell a Charger to mom who wants to test drive a minivan, how did he get his own dealership in the first place.

Also when Ruby was paying off her debts was she using the fake cash or the washed cash? If she was using fake I feel bad for the people she was giving counterfeit money to.

On 3/26/2019 at 8:54 PM, helenamonster said:

It was real. It was her cut from the dealership sales.

Even if it was the counterfeit money, it wouldn't likely get caught anytime soon.  The fake cash is out there recirculating and changing hands rapidly, and I doubt it gets caught in the real world.  Remember the fake cash could pass the pen and the machine.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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I HIGHL Y doubt anyone could make $200,000 cash by "giving away" cars.

Isn't that likely to create tax problems for them down the road? Like they're not in enough trouble.

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that opening scene with Beth and her friendly night table vibrator

I was surprised to see such a blatant "self-pleasuring" take on broadcast TV (even though nothing really lurid was shown). Is that okay now? Anything goes on cable and streaming but this was on regular TV.

They should've killed or otherwise gotten rid of Mary Pat when they had the chance. Now if anything untoward happens to her the good girls will be the #1 suspects. She'll likely end up going into witness protection in New Mexico or something so they won't have to put her bratty kids in foster care.

[Empress1]

24 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

her bratty kids

I hate Mary Pat as much as the next person but that scene of her in that shitty motel room with three boys running around and one baby on her lap was like ... yikes, your life sucks, huh?

Annie treats Sadie as more of a friend than a daughter, which bugs me. That confession was totally inappropriate.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Empress1

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

I hate Mary Pat as much as the next person but that scene of her in that shitty motel room with three boys running around and one baby on her lap was like ... yikes, your life sucks, huh?

Moral of her story is if you chop up your disgusting fiance’, don’t let your bratty kids see or they’ll rat you out over a popsicle.

[Chaos Theory]

24 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

I hate Mary Pat as much as the next person but that scene of her in that shitty motel room with three boys running around and one baby on her lap was like ... yikes, your life sucks, huh?

Annie treats Sadie as more of a friend than a daughter, which bugs me. That confession was totally inappropriate.

Wasn’t Annie still a teenager herself when she had Sadie?  Then the father took off.  So I can see the relationship developing more as a sisterhood then mother and daughter.

I jump from hating Mary Pat to pitying her.  She turned on the girls real quick but her life truly truly sucks.  

[Empress1]

53 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Wasn’t Annie still a teenager herself when she had Sadie?  Then the father took off.  So I can see the relationship developing more as a sisterhood then mother and daughter.

I jump from hating Mary Pat to pitying her.  She turned on the girls real quick but her life truly truly sucks.  

Yes, she and Greg had Sadie when they were 17 but I didn't get the sense that Greg took off. It seems like they split up early in Sadie's life, or maybe even before she was born. Annie has mentioned that Greg freaked out when she got pregnant (which I can't really blame him for - he SHOULD have been freaked out, and so should she), but I don't recall her saying he wasn't around. I think I remember him saying something like "We were 17 when we figured out this custody stuff" when he told Annie that he and his wife planned to seek full custody.

The way their relationship was initially presented at the start of the series, I got the sense that the show wanted me to dislike Greg but I didn't really see why. Because he has money now? He gave it to Annie when she asked - she initially ask him for money and he sighed and asked "How much do you need now?" while pulling out his wallet, so that was clearly a conversation they'd had before. (And then she asked him for like $60K and it was a wrap.) His wife is kind of annoying in a basic sort of way("pregs by Gregs?" Girl, bye), but she appears to be a good stepmom to Sadie and Sadie likes her. They disagreed about where Sadie should go to school but it turns out that Sadie is thriving in her new school. NOW he's problematic, but he didn't strike me that way at first.

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

NOW he's problematic, but he didn't strike me that way at first.

I feel like they made him more of a jerk to try to make us hate Annie a little less. Instead it just made me feel bad for Sadie that both her parents suck.  

[SailorGirl]

Okay, I want a video clip of every single one of Ruby's facial reactions from this week's episode. . . .  from her face while having to repeat to Stan . . . yet again . . . how the body dump went down to her reaction finding out about Beth and Rio . . . was everything. And then the drawn out . . . "how was it??" in that amazed, stunned, yet curious soft tone? PRICELESS. At least there's a video clip of that much on the show's twitter feed: 

I agree with the poster above who commented about laughing a lot during this episode -- it definitely leaned toward Dramedy this week . . .  

I am so glad Beth finally stopped trying to make Dean see things her way in a subtle way and just went full-on Boss Bitch on his weasely, lying, cheating ass. 

Kids or not, Mary Pat needs to be the next one in the popsicle freezer. Ugh. Now that store manager weasel (can't even remember his name, won't miss ya'!) is gone, Mary Pat is next on the chopping block (see what I did there??) 😄 

I love how Beth just DGAF with the FBI agent anymore. She's being smart but she's stopped pretending to be the sweet suburban soccer mom. 
 

Edited April 1, 2019 by SailorGirl

[PsychoDrone]

2 years!?!?!  Marriage is for better or worse, but 2 years without sex and I'm not surprised either person (man or woman) would cheat.  It's easy to come down on Dean, but one thing we didn't see is how things were in that time.  Did they do counseling or was it ever brought up?  Did Beth have post-partum?  Did she ever do anything to get past it?  Beth was genuinely surprised it had been that long.  Now, who is the one that is clueless about their partner's feelings.  Dean won't win husband of the year anytime soon, but Beth isn't exactly standing on solid ground either.  Changing the dynamic is a good move, but they need to either work through their issues or be done with it once and for all.

The FBI guy keeps allowing himself to be played.  Boomer, the ladies, and now Mary Pat.  He needs to take a step back and reason this out slowly.  Put up a board with pictures that shows the connections with all his suspects.  If he did that, it shouldn't take long to figure out the conspiracy and how to bring them down.  At this point, he is like a dog distracted by a squirrel.  Let them go about their business, do some stakeouts, and bring them down.  He would have caught them 100x over had he taken a methodical approach.

[Empress1]

1 hour ago, PsychoDrone said:

Did they do counseling or was it ever brought up?  Did Beth have post-partum?  Did she ever do anything to get past it?  Beth was genuinely surprised it had been that long. 

I'm guessing no re: counseling. Beth said "It's called depression!" when Dean said Beth pushed him away, and her surprise that it had been two years since they had sex (at that point; I'm sure they're not having sex now either) made it seem to me that it was a thing they just hadn't talked about, which ... you can't do that. I really don't see how they got together - they can't talk to each other! They don't seem like they ever actually loved each other. When Beth told Ruby she'd never looked at Dean the way Ruby looks at Stan, I believed it.

Did Beth tell Dean she knows he was faking cancer?

Edited April 1, 2019 by Empress1

[thesupremediva1]

I haven't been able to post, all my limbs turned to jello after last week.

This show is utter crack. The writing is bad, the plots are outlandish with potholes the size of smart cars, and generally we are rooting for terrible behavior and the destruction of the family unit but OMG I CANNOT STOP NEVER TAKE THIS FROM ME.

Here's the thing I'm sure no one wants to admit in the showrunner's room but it's the truth: This show only works because of Brio's chemistry. I love all three main actresses and Matthew Lillard will live in my 90s girl heart forever, but there's no show without Manny Montana. That man is on screen for a minute at a time and the whole world stops. The tension ratchets up to 100. I'm sort of into every other plot line but anything involving Manny Montana has me turning my phone on silent and holding my breath. No distractions allowed. 

You can't plan for chemistry like the kind he has with Christina. Though after years as patient 0 of the Mad Men fandom, I think that woman would have chemistry with a lamp post. The writers have done here - smartly - what most writers on other shows refuse to do or don't figure out until it's too late - they're writing to what's happening on screen. This isn't fan service, they're making their best show. It's clear this wasn't the intended arc when the show started, but I'm all for a hard left that switches up the game and excites people. People are talking about this show and if Brio gets us a third season then heck yeah I'm showing up for it.

I think this show was going to be about three nice ladies who had some hard luck and turned one bad idea into an accidental life of crime. Two of those women still fit the bill. What I'm loving is watching Beth come into her own - and how it's not a pretty picture. She's not a born lawbreaker, but WOW she can shift that moral compass for a few bucks. This transformation is the most compelling thing about the show.  A year ago I'd have seen her reconciling with Dean and going back to her life with a few more zeroes at the end of her bank account. Now? She's Walter White - she's doing it for her. 

I don't want the old Beth back. This one is far more watchable. I'm also enjoying the subtly and slowly shifting tectonic plates that are her relationship with Annie and friendship with Ruby. How are they going to respond to this new Beth? 

The crux that all this hangs on is Beth's chemistry with Rio. It's total fire, and I'm not here for moral judgment and rationalizing. NOTHING about this show is rational or grounded. They're getting away with LOTS in that 10:00 p.m. slot and I've never enjoyed the show more.

[Anela]

16 hours ago, LaMatadita said:

I also feel like I need to watch the "Do you trust me?" scene again to figure out what it was about that particular exchange that finally helped Annie tweak to what had happened between them, because I feel like I would have figured it out just from the "You're lucky I'm even speaking to you right now" way Rio was acting toward Beth the first time they all met him in the bar. He's usually either all business or gleefully messing with Beth, but he was reaching pretty deep into his hurt manfeelings in that first scene.

It was his flirty way of asking, and then Beth's, "Oh god, no!" The flirty response. I don't know if she saw their hands touch.

11 hours ago, Empress1 said:

Dean is THE WORST. And ...

I don't get this either. There is nothing appealing about him. He's not even cute.

"I mean ... How was it? ... Was it good?" I LOVE RETTA.

That was my favourite part.

9 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Wasn’t Annie still a teenager herself when she had Sadie?  Then the father took off.  So I can see the relationship developing more as a sisterhood then mother and daughter.

I jump from hating Mary Pat to pitying her.  She turned on the girls real quick but her life truly truly sucks.  

I hate her again, and don't pity her. She could have reported that she'd accidentally hit him with her car, and that he'd raped her - she wasn't in her right mind. Instead, she chopped him up, froze him, and asked the women for help. Then turns on them, when they've done the disgusting job of getting rid of the body, so that she also won't get into trouble. She was stuck in that room, because she lied. And now she's getting Stan into trouble, which is just...  I guess they needed a new villain, after getting rid of the rapist.

I don't hate Annie, the way some do here. I don't know why she slept with her ex, but she told him to stop. Her relationship with their daughter, seems to be in line with the Gilmore Girls, only Lorelai was better off, and didn't rob anything. Lorelai was always waking up Rory, and acting like her sister, rather than her mother, until something serious happened.

I was obviously wrong about not having sex with someone, and then intimidating them with a bat - at least where Beth is concerned. Jeez. 

Edited April 2, 2019 by Anela

[helenamonster]

Agree with the love for Retta's reactions when she found out about Beth and Rio. She's been doing so well with the dramatic stuff they give her, I'm glad the writers have also remembered she's fucking hilarious.

The more we learn about what a shitheel Dean is, the more I've loved watching Beth come into her own. Her mans cannot take care of her so she's gonna do it herself. I hope she and Rio continue to bone with no regrets.

God damn it, Mary Pat! Just can't leave well enough alone, can you? I hope when Ruby finds out that she's dragged Stan into this she gives her the what for. And if she's the next one to end up in a trash bag at the dump, so be it? Her children are so hellish I can't even bring myself to feel bad about them ending up in the system.

13 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am more curious then ever what even drew Beth and Dean together in the first place.  Was Dean a  good guy at one point and years of marriage, job stress, and a wife with postpartum turned him into a douchebag?  What I like about Rio and Beth is that they seem to be equally into each other for different reasons.  Beth is fascinated by the thug life and Rio is intrigued by how good a housewife is at it.

They've dropped a couple details here and there about Beth and Dean. It appears they got together/were married very young, and if the characters are supposed to be the same ages as the actors who play them, then Dean is also a few years older than Beth. She didn't go to college and the only job she's ever had (before taking over the dealership) was at Dairy Queen. I think Dean probably seemed like a very safe, stable option at the time, especially as his ineptitude has only revealed itself more recently.

And on the shallowest of notes, if I looked like Christina Hendricks, I would be pretty confident that somebody who looked like Matthew Lillard wouldn't feel the need to cheat on me.

[Trini]

9 hours ago, SailorGirl said:

I agree with the poster above who commented about laughing a lot during this episode -- it definitely leaned toward Dramedy this week . . .  

Well, this show did start out as a dark comedy. It only got more serious/graphic this season.
 

6 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

The writers have done here - smartly - what most writers on other shows refuse to do or don't figure out until it's too late - they're writing to what's happening on screen. This isn't fan service, they're making their best show. It's clear this wasn't the intended arc when the show started, but I'm all for a hard left that switches up the game and excites people.

I don't have the direct sources right now, but I know the EPs have said in interviews that they changed some of the writing to take advantage of the Beth/Rio chemistry. Which, yes, is very smart. I'm just really surprised they're going 'full throttle' on Beth/Rio so soon!

[LaMatadita]

8 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Here's the thing I'm sure no one wants to admit in the showrunner's room but it's the truth: This show only works because of Brio's chemistry.

So funny story, I've been living at home for a while, and my parents actually watched the show about a year before I did. Sometimes if I was around and walked through the room when it was on, I would end up lingering for a couple of minutes if Beth and Rio were on the screen. I think the first scene I ever saw with them was the one where Beth comes homes and Rio is in the backyard helping her son with his homework, and I remember being intrigued enough by that one detail to want to stay and watch the rest of the scene. I'm pretty sure that was only the second episode, and their chemistry was pretty smokin' even then, to the point where that was pretty much all I remembered about the show when I decided to watch the first season almost a year later. Even now, my mom still texts me after the show and usually ends up wanting to talk about Beth and Rio, and this woman is 65 and almost never cares about the 'ships on the shows she watches. So yeah, Brio is some pretty powerful black magic, IMO!

8 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

You can't plan for chemistry like the kind he has with Christina.

1 hour ago, Trini said:

I don't have the direct sources right now, but I know the EPs have said in interviews that they changed some of the writing to take advantage of the Beth/Rio chemistry.

I've heard this, too, and also heard that he was originally supposed to hook up with Annie, which I just cannot imagine. I'm so curious as to whether they figured out the chemistry in advance of shooting, or if they just started filming and Manny changed it up on the fly and Christina was like, "Oh, I'm the one getting the sexy looks? Okay then, let's do this."

1 hour ago, Trini said:

I'm just really surprised they're going 'full throttle' on Beth/Rio so soon!

I was also very surprised by that turn of events, but I'm glad they're striking while the iron is hot, especially when we're not even sure we'll get a third season! I've seen too many shows where the tension was needlessly dragged out to a point where it just became ridiculous (I'm looking at you, Chuck), and either the audience stopped caring, or the chemistry fizzled out, and either way the consummation ended up being a total let down. 

8 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

What I'm loving is watching Beth come into her own - and how it's not a pretty picture.

I wholeheartedly agree. I like all three of the women on the show, even Annie, but I've always enjoyed Beth the most, and this last episode just ratcheted that love up several notches. Loved the vibrator scene, loved her taking out her rage on that poor unsuspecting piece of meat, loved her trying to play hard to get with Rio, loved her finally owning her inner Boss Bitch and telling Dean to keep his lame ass at home. (I also have to say that while the Walter White comparison is pretty accurate, I hated Walter White with the passion of 1000 suns, but I adore Beth in all her fucked up glory. Not that I think Bryan Cranston didn't deserve all those awards--he was amazing--I just REALLY hated Walter!)

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It was his flirty way of asking, and then Beth's, "Oh god, no!" The flirty response. I don't know if she saw their hands touch.

I rewatched that moment last night, and I agree. What's funny to me is that I don't think the way he was talking to Beth was anything new--I think they had similar interactions before they slept together--but I can see how it would be new to Annie. I believe the only time Annie has even seen Beth and Rio interact this season, prior to this episode, was at the end of the premiere when he was giving them the gun to kill Boomer. He and Beth were not on the best of terms then, and they've interacted a lot since then, but Annie was never around to see it.

Edited April 2, 2019 by LaMatadita

[jhlipton]

On 3/28/2019 at 5:13 PM, Chaos Theory said:

Dean continues to be a strange mix of condicending and incompetent. 

He has to be, in spite of it being just lazy writing, for the script to work.  If Dean had brains, kindness or anything like that, Beth f***ing a sociopathic gangster would be repulsive.  So Dean has to act like he's never sold a car in his life.

[Raja]

10 hours ago, helenamonster said:

And on the shallowest of notes, if I looked like Christina Hendricks, I would be pretty confident that somebody who looked like Matthew Lillard wouldn't feel the need to cheat on me.

I think that taking the time to have her body shame a past mistress was to signal that Dean pretty much would stick it in any available body. Not just the one we seen and thus can understand his physical reaction to.

[PsychoDrone]

12 hours ago, helenamonster said:

And on the shallowest of notes, if I looked like Christina Hendricks, I would be pretty confident that somebody who looked like Matthew Lillard wouldn't feel the need to cheat on me.

Plenty of pretty/attractive women get cheated on all the time.  From her questions, he didn't have a type.  Two years of not getting it from her, he stepped out.  Doesn't make it right, but it happens.

[Empress1]

19 minutes ago, PsychoDrone said:

Plenty of pretty/attractive women get cheated on all the time.  From her questions, he didn't have a type.  Two years of not getting it from her, he stepped out.  Doesn't make it right, but it happens.

Said it before: Beyonce and Halle Berry got cheated on. Halle Berry got cheated on A LOT, by more than one ex, to hear her tell it.

I do think two sexless years with no discussion of it or how to bring sex back into their marriage (whether with each other or opening the marriage up and allowing them to seek intimacy elsewhere) will lead people to look elsewhere. We don't know if Dean tried to discuss it with her - it seems like they just didn't talk about it at all, which is really unhealthy. This is really a dead marriage, IMO.

[Trini]

7 hours ago, jhlipton said:

He has to be, in spite of it being just lazy writing, for the script to work.  If Dean had brains, kindness or anything like that, Beth f***ing a sociopathic gangster would be repulsive.  So Dean has to act like he's never sold a car in his life.

It's still kind of repulsive, although I admit I'm intrigued by the pairing. Rio just attempted to murder her husband in front of her just 3 episodes before she slept with him. They're clearly going to be a trainwreck but....

Edited April 2, 2019 by Trini

[tennisgurl]

Beth and Rio is such a hot mess, but I love watching it. Beth breaking bad is one of the highlights of the show, and while her hooking up with Rio is a terrible idea for about a thousand reasons, they have next level chemistry, I love it!

"How...wait...it..." Oh God, Ruby's reaction were so great, she was just so deeply shook! Annie was pissed, but Ruby looked like her brain was just reaching to catch up with the information it was getting. 

I alternate between feeling bad for Mary Pat, and being pissed at her. Dont forget, she was the one who got into this whole mess on her own. Yeah she had her reasons, but so did everyone else, and she has been super quick to throw the ladies under the bus even after they tried to help her. Her life does suck so much though, I cant totally hate her. 

I mean, damn Annie, maybe dont drop that bombshell on your daughter right as she goes to school? Timing Annie! I kind of feel like this whole plot happened because the show wanted us to hate Greg, because he had money now, because his new wife was kind of basic, because he wanted to send Sadie to Catholic school (which Sadie ended up loving), but none of those were actually good reasons to hate someone, so they added him cheating in his new wife to  get us against him.

[Anela]

39 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I mean, damn Annie, maybe dont drop that bombshell on your daughter right as she goes to school? Timing Annie! I kind of feel like this whole plot happened because the show wanted us to hate Greg, because he had money now, because his new wife was kind of basic, because he wanted to send Sadie to Catholic school (which Sadie ended up loving), but none of those were actually good reasons to hate someone, so they added him cheating in his new wife to  get us against him.

If he cheated on her before, that would be a reason to hate him. For some reason, I thought he cheated with the woman that he married. I don't know the backstory, but Annie would have thrown that in her face if that were the case.

[BonnieD]

Annie is a spoiled woman-child who refuses to grow up. Reminds me of Lorelei (sp?) Gilmore. The "aren't I cute" vibe of the perennial immature woman.
She chose to drop that bomb before school without caring what a horrible way it was to deliver it. She knew her daughter wouldn't have time to react so it was like a drive by shooting. Plus anyone who tickles and teases her teen daughter awake in the morning is just weird as hell. If they were trying to show her as fondly loving, they failed.

ETA. I love Mae Whitman so its nothing against her acting. It's the way the character is written.

Edited April 3, 2019 by BonnieD

[Trini]

EW spread: 'We drank three rounds with the stars of Good Girls'

[Empress1]

On 4/3/2019 at 2:15 PM, Anela said:

If he cheated on her before, that would be a reason to hate him. For some reason, I thought he cheated with the woman that he married. I don't know the backstory, but Annie would have thrown that in her face if that were the case.

Cheated on Annie with his now-wife? No, that's never been stated.