S07.E19: Reunion Part 1

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I think Erika tried to make the best of the situation when she simply accepted the panties. It was when Dorit said "THIS took on a life of it's own"   Erika  knew Dorit was spreading the pantie-gate incident.  Erika then tells Dorist to pretty much STFU (be careful) which Dorit refuses to do. 

Not true, Dorit did not bring it up again. The ones that did that were Eileen, Rinna and finally Erika herself but not Dorit. Really, if Erika really had a problem with anyone talking about it, she should have addressed her good buddies, Eileen/Rinna to STFU! LOL

[zoeysmom]

30 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Most reality stars are idiots - have skeletons in their closet that they don't want out but they invite the world into their 'reality' and become outraged when people uncover the less glamorous part of their realities.

The Kemsleys came on the show and much of Paul's business collapse had played out in the British press, so it is not as if it is a big secret or he has not had to deal with the public backlash.  It is almost like a certain reality competition show host with a penchant for using bankruptcy to reorganize debt, who left the world of celebrity and business to go into politics.  It seems Americans like a comeback. 

I think the Kemsleys have also shown they can forgive and give others a second chance.  Boy George struggled with addiction for years, was involved in a seedy sex scandal resulting in prison time, and has since been on a path of redemption and renewed success.  Now eleven years sober he has a manager who has upped his profile and it seems he is enjoyed some renewed success and has close friends in Dorit and PK. 

I have always found that suppressed skeletons really only get a second wind if it has an effect on the show.  Case in point would be the Giudices.  First there was the BK, then the trustee not agreeing to discharge, then the indictments, then the slow plea and the delays in the  commencing serving time, release from prison, prison specials, delay in filming a new season, suing a former attorney.  If PK and Dorit have to move to a three bedroom ranch in Tarzana  and start driving Priuses it might have an impact on the story.

This franchise, once Brandi left, seems to have less interest in outing people for various misdeeds.  I may not be an Erika fan but I don't see her or Eileen putting a lot of energy into outing PK for his murky financial history.   

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Not true, Dorit did not bring it up again. The ones that did that were Eileen, Rinna and finally Erika herself but not Dorit. Really, if Erika really had a problem with anyone talking about it, she should have addressed her good buddies, Eileen/Rinna to STFU! LOL

Nope, Dorit brought it up again at the windy  beach with Eileen. 

[WireWrap]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

Nope, Dorit brought it up again at the windy  beach with Eileen. 

No, Eileen brought it up! This is what is so frustrating for me, that Erika doesn't hold Eileen's/Rinna's feet to the same scorched ground fire that she is with Dorit because it has been Eileen/Rinna that have kept "pantygate" going on camera this season, not Dorit.

[Martinigirl]

9 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

No, Eileen brought it up! This is what is so frustrating for me, that Erika doesn't hold Eileen's/Rinna's feet to the same scorched ground fire that she is with Dorit because it has been Eileen/Rinna that have kept "pantygate" going on camera this season, not Dorit.

Nope, Dorit brought it up when Eileen's dress blew up from the wind. "I've seen enough for a while" Dorit also brought it up AGAIN with PK  when trying on dresses in her bedroom

Edited April 13, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Higgins]

22 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Sure, her mother taught her important lessons that have later helped her navigate her life but if she had friends or was surrounded by other children who were able to rely more on their parents to do the same things her mother made her do herself, it's understandable that a child may identify that as something they don't have and would want it. Maybe the 'life lessons' were much more frequent than the few examples that her mom shared. Erika seems to feel that she spent her childhood being a grown up. I don't know at what age it started but if Erika felt like she didn't get to enjoy much of being a kid, then while she can acknowledge how her mother's toughness helped her in life, her trauma is from holding on to the feelings she experienced as a child. I don't think her feelings are that crazy and I think that would explain why she loved her grandma so much...because allowed her to be a kid.  I wish they would have shown a bit more conversation footage with her mother or show more of her THs talking about her mother where she was able to clarify that her mother was loving and affectionate with her. From the footage that made it to air, it came across as her mother being a cold, emotionless mother that basically made her fend for herself for all her life. I'm glad she was able to clarify things at the reunion though.

How much navigating and assistance did Erika's son receive from his mother in his day to day life?

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

No one except you has called Dorit a mistress.  She was dating PK who was separated and divorcing his wife.  We aren't even sure of the year or when they met.  I don't recall seeing Dorit's name on any of the documents.   To me, it doesn't read as a particularly contentious divorce since the ex-wife was supporting PK. 

Bankruptcy documentation filed in the US states Paul Kemsley referring to his wife Loretta in 2013. It says his WIFE, not estranged, not about to divorce, not divorced. They came to the US as a family in 2009.

That's enough to make me say Doritos was his mistress being that Doritos says they've been together since 2011 and inseparable. So I agree, after Loretta came to the US with her husband and children in 2009...she left to go back to the UK with the kids when she found out about Dorit. Unless you think in those same papers the woman listed as the girlfriend whose NY apartment he stayed in was not Dorit and someone else.

[Diane Mars]

15 hours ago, wings707 said:

...Kyle, nope.  Did not like the cut of that dress...

 

14 hours ago, lololol said:

.... Her neck looks awful. The dress was FUGLY. She has a REALLY weird figure. No clue on how to dress...

Quoting you both, but it could have been other ones, lol !

Just to say that I'm tinking is a kind of "strategic" (as a "don't throw that dress away, but never wear that horror again"), as she said at the whole beginning of the reunion that she had a part of her dressing with her HW seven previous reunion dresses, and that she never will wore them again, as they're bad memories / vibes attached to them (sorry I' don't remember her exact words, but that was what I got from what she said, lol !),

[howivesforever]

Just now, KungFuBunny said:

Bankruptcy documentation filed in the US states Paul Kemsley referring to his wife Loretta in 2013. It says his WIFE, not estranged, not about to divorce, not divorced. They came to the US as a family in 2009.

That's enough to make me say Doritos was his mistress being that Doritos says they've been together since 2011 and inseparable. So I agree, after Loretta came to the US with her husband and children in 2009...she left to go back to the UK with the kids when she found out about Dorit. Unless you think in those same papers the woman listed as the girlfriend whose NY apartment he stayed in was not Dorit and someone else.

Didn't the documents list a mistress who was 40 at the time? That wouldn't have been Dorit. We really have no idea what was going on between him and his ex-wife, but since she hasn't come forward speaking negatively about him the split would seem amicable.

[KungFuBunny]

Just now, howivesforever said:

Didn't the documents list a mistress who was 40 at the time? That wouldn't have been Dorit. We really have no idea what was going on between him and his ex-wife, but since she hasn't come forward speaking negatively about him the split would seem amicable.

No there was an allaboutthhw article that stated that which was different from the US bankruptcy filing that was denied.

If it was a different woman in 2011 then PK gets around for someone seeking bankrupcty

[howivesforever]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

No there was an allaboutthhw article that stated that which was different from the US bankruptcy filing that was denied.

If it was a different woman in 2011 then PK gets around for someone seeking bankrupcty

I just don't see the point in trying to make him this monster and we don't know the facts. As far as I know celebrities and ordinary people file bankruptcy everyday. Not sure what that would have to do with him having a mistress or not or even who it was. As far as we know him and his wife could have had an open marriage or she cheated on him and then he didn't care anymore. It's really all speculation because again we don't know the facts. 

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

 

Quoting you both, but it could have been other ones, lol !

Just to say that I'm tinking is a kind of "strategic" (as a "don't throw that dress away, but never wear that horror again"), as she said at the whole beginning of the reunion that she had a part of her dressing with her HW seven previous reunion dresses, and that she never will wore them again, as they're bad memories / vibes attached to them (sorry I' don't remember her exact words, but that was what I got from what she said, lol !),

Remember the scene where Kyle had a professional "organizer" come in to take care of the Disney VCR tapes, glassware, plate ware? I'm thinking those items she will never wear again should go in that "room" boxed in the deepest corner. They shouldn't be taking prime real estate in her closet.

Instead of Andy opening a HW museum of dresses, they could auction the dresses and give the money to some charity. Do not give the clothes to Bethenny because these are not "interview wearing" items

[Giselle]

46 minutes ago, Higgins said:

How much navigating and assistance did Erika's son receive from his mother in his day to day life?

Her absence taught him lots as he observed other sons with their mothers. He learned to navigate the awkward questions of people asking him where is his mother or why isn't she living with him. He learned the lessons early on that mommie's needs come before children's and to toughen up if he started feeling abandoned.

But none of that was as bad as having to walk into a store to cash a $25.00 check as a child. Or as a young girl forced to speak with an adult  on the phone because she auditioned or was being asked to dance in the recital. Now THAT was just this side of child abuse.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Giselle

[Trooper York]

I can sort of understand why Lisa Vanderpump likes PK so much.

Watching him on the reunion with his beady little eyes and upturned snout it is clear that she  wants to adopt him as a pot bellied pig to add to her menagerie. 

Cheerio!

[AndySmith]

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Hardly obvious.

Maybe not to you. It is to me, and it's enough information for me.

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There is no info about PK's first wife though

There is enough if you look for it.

[Snappy]

2 hours ago, Giselle said:

Um....us....this place....Previously TV.

Well, duh. Major blonde moment. Thanks.

[zoeysmom]

31 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bankruptcy documentation filed in the US states Paul Kemsley referring to his wife Loretta in 2013. It says his WIFE, not estranged, not about to divorce, not divorced. They came to the US as a family in 2009.

That's enough to make me say Doritos was his mistress being that Doritos says they've been together since 2011 and inseparable. So I agree, after Loretta came to the US with her husband and children in 2009...she left to go back to the UK with the kids when she found out about Dorit. Unless you think in those same papers the woman listed as the girlfriend whose NY apartment he stayed in was not Dorit and someone else.

Clearly we are reading different documents.  The one I read had the "former civil partner" (page 14) box checked with married, divorced, separate were available.  And then there was this declaration:  "My estranged wife currently pays for all of this as I have no income." (page 33) It was filed in January of 21012.  So I guess there won't be a meeting of the minds when the documents are in conflict.  http://globalinsolvency.com/sites/all/files/kemsley_-_petition_-_no._1.pdf

[nexxie]

20 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I might be a party of one but I believe Jagger can speak and he's fluent in multiple languages and he doesn't have a British accent

Dana's claim years ago was that her son spoke Thai...I think Jagger has him beat.

Also...Jagger does not speak when filmed because of both Dorit and the camera crews presence (poor kid has Stranger Danger face) when they are around.

Poor Jagger - when he finally answered "no" to his mom's question about liking her glam, she laughed hysterically in his face. Dorit is such a dipshit.

[yourmomiseasy]

3 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Poor Jagger - when he finally answered "no" to his mom's question about liking her glam, she laughed hysterically in his face. Dorit is such a dipshit.

At least she still lives with him?

[KungFuBunny]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Clearly we are reading different documents.  The one I read had the "former civil partner" (page 14) box checked with married, divorced, separate were available.  And then there was this declaration:  "My estranged wife currently pays for all of this as I have no income." (page 33) It was filed in January of 21012.  So I guess there won't be a meeting of the minds when the documents are in conflict.  http://globalinsolvency.com/sites/all/files/kemsley_-_petition_-_no._1.pdf

2 different documents. I stated on Dorit's thread I do not know how to post the document. It has the judge's ruling on it at the end - denied.

[howivesforever]

1 minute ago, nexxie said:

Poor Jagger - when he finally answered "no" to his mom's question about liking her glam, she laughed hysterically in his face. Dorit is such a dipshit.

I just feel like  it's seriously reaching with anything Dorit. She laughed at his continued NO answer about not liking her hair not at Jagger. 

 

Hell I laughed too that hair was a mess and I certainly wasn't laughing as in making fun of the child.

[SCS]

5 hours ago, Snappy said:

What's PTV?

 

Um....us....this place....Previously TV.

 

It was. However, based on the Erika World Domination Tour now in progress, this site has clearly been renamed:   PTV -- Pat the Puss TV

Edited April 13, 2017 by steelcitysister
Added giselle's comment, which preceded mine and fell off during the posting process and dammit it's Erika's fault!

[notnowimbusy]

I have a timeline question.   When Erika went back to Georgia, one of the guys asked how old she was when Grandparents bought the house, she said 17 - then went on to talk about all the great memories in the house.   But didn't she say she left for NYC at 18, then left NY for CA?  So, how often was she at that house. 

[Giselle]

14 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Well, duh. Major blonde moment. Thanks.

I've had those too even though I'm not a blond. No worries.  :-)

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

The Kemsleys came on the show and much of Paul's business collapse had played out in the British press, so it is not as if it is a big secret or he has not had to deal with the public backlash.  It is almost like a certain reality competition show host with a penchant for using bankruptcy to reorganize debt, who left the world of celebrity and business to go into politics.  It seems Americans like a comeback. 

I think the Kemsleys have also shown they can forgive and give others a second chance.  Boy George struggled with addiction for years, was involved in a seedy sex scandal resulting in prison time, and has since been on a path of redemption and renewed success.  Now eleven years sober he has a manager who has upped his profile and it seems he is enjoyed some renewed success and has close friends in Dorit and PK. 

I have always found that suppressed skeletons really only get a second wind if it has an effect on the show.  Case in point would be the Giudices.  First there was the BK, then the trustee not agreeing to discharge, then the indictments, then the slow plea and the delays in the  commencing serving time, release from prison, prison specials, delay in filming a new season, suing a former attorney.  If PK and Dorit have to move to a three bedroom ranch in Tarzana  and start driving Priuses it might have an impact on the story.

This franchise, once Brandi left, seems to have less interest in outing people for various misdeeds.  I may not be an Erika fan but I don't see her or Eileen putting a lot of energy into outing PK for his murky financial history.   

My comment wasn't specific to the Kemsleys', just generally speaking to the trend of reality TV and reality controversies. I don't think Erika or Eileen would do that either. His financial history has nothing to do with their grievances with him and I don't suspect either of them would stoop to that level just for the sake of embarrassment. We know that's how Kim and Rinna play though, lol.

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

I have a timeline question.   When Erika went back to Georgia, one of the guys asked how old she was when Grandparents bought the house, she said 17 - then went on to talk about all the great memories in the house.   But didn't she say she left for NYC at 18, then left NY for CA?  So, how often was she at that house. 

Yep, I found that odd as well, it kind of sounded like a second childhood home until the math didn't make sense.  She said something about holidays, maybe she returned to their home for holidays?  Also it would seem her mother would have been living there for the better part of the last 15 years.  It was just another one of those statements that need clarification.  I do think since she talked to her grandma everyday she probably attached those memories to grandma being in the home and extended the timeline.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Higgins said:

How much navigating and assistance did Erika's son receive from his mother in his day to day life?

I don't know. I've never assumed and I won't begin to. The abilities of any of these people as parents is a line I've drawn and try not to cross. I didn't cross it with Slade, I didn't cross it with drunk Kim, I'm not going to cross it with Erika. That's just my comfort level.

[RHJunkie]

30 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Maybe not to you. It is to me, and it's enough information for me.

There is enough if you look for it.

Wonderful. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to have that opinion. I'm just pointing out that in the process of lecturing people of 2 sides to every story and giving the benefit of the doubt and what you know and you don't know, you're being completely contradicting and inconsistent with what you're telling others...you move your goal posts to suit your bias but present it in a way to make it seem like the bias doesn't exist. It exists and it's definitely obvious. It just comes across as you moving the goal posts because you don't want to own the fact that it's your own negative perception of someone based on what you see on TV and read online (because what you see and read can NEVER be wrong, am I right?) and you're transposing that to other facets of their life that you know far less of. But as you said, to each his own.

[Vicky8675309]

31 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

2 different documents. I stated on Dorit's thread I do not know how to post the document. It has the judge's ruling on it at the end - denied.

isn't it the same way one posts gifs (copy & paste)? or copy/paste the link to the document (in Dorit's thread)

maybe you tried that and it didn't work....

I've never used the paperclip thing or the "insert other media" thingie since copy/paste always worked for me

[Martinigirl]

25 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

My comment wasn't specific to the Kemsleys', just generally speaking to the trend of reality TV and reality controversies. I don't think Erika or Eileen would do that either. His financial history has nothing to do with their grievances with him and I don't suspect either of them would stoop to that level just for the sake of embarrassment. We know that's how Kim and Rinna play though, lol.

I agree with this.  I do however believe when Erika said "I know who you are" it hit a nerve with Dorit. 

[KungFuBunny]

11 minutes ago, Vicky8675309 said:

isn't it the same way one posts gifs (copy & paste)? or copy/paste the link to the document (in Dorit's thread)

maybe you tried that and it didn't work....

I've never used the paperclip thing or the "insert other media" thingie since copy/paste always worked for me

Hah! I'm pretty good with GIFS, pics and Youtube videos.

I tried adding it as a URL, typing in the entire web page name into the content, the link - it doesn't work for me.

I even tried saving/downloading the doc

Copy and pasting - that thing is like 50 pages - we'll be watching the next season LOL

[Yours Truly]

3 hours ago, Giselle said:

 How fucking noble of her. She doesn't discuss it because it might hurt someone (read herself). How convenient.  If it is her son, why choose to be a public person where your life and your families lives can be exposed and cause hurt. Once again it is Erica's ego above anybody else. 

She won't explain herself but it's ok for her to spin the facts of what she did , to put her in a better light on national TV but forbids anyone's discussion of it. She can  act holier than thou towards a day in day out mother who is with her children who also has some nannies for her two young kids when Erica left her three year old 3,000 miles away to be an "star" for several years. But that is ok because Erica was a stay at home single mother for three years before running off, no nannies no nothing she did it by herself. That is so rare and unique to raise a child for three years. The sacrifices she must have made to endure that hardship. She needs international recognition for doing that, awards of merit, a book and movie deal, a day in her honor. Especially now because she found her wallet and her son likes the bennies of living with her. He can bank his paycheck! Cha-ching!

The bitch cut and ran on her 3 year old boy.

She never said it was to make her son's life better it was to chase her dream. With her refusal to explain herself further we have every right to form an opinion of her on those facts she only wants to present.

What career? She was slinging drinks, looking for a wallet or a producer. She could have done that in New York. Guess she didn't want to be distracted by a kid on a daily basis as she excelled in her career.

I believe fathers and mothers should be judged the same. Sure they were divorced. But she didn't leave because she was recruited by a corporate head hunter to work at a high paying job with guaranteed benefits that would benefit her child. She wanted to be an actress! And if a father took off so he could fulfill his dream of being a Champion MMA fighter but ends up being a bouncer in a club and leaves his family to chase his dream I'd knock him too.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

Edited April 13, 2017 by Yours Truly

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

Her absence taught him lots as he observed other sons with their mothers. He learned to navigate the awkward questions of people asking him where is his mother or why isn't she living with him. He learned the lessons early on that mommie's needs come before children's and to toughen up if he started feeling abandoned.

But none of that was as bad as having to walk into a store to cash a $25.00 check as a child. Or as a young girl forced to speak with an adult  on the phone because she auditioned or was being asked to dance in the recital. Now THAT was just this side of child abuse.

And from that day forward, little ericas promised herself that she'd never take a check that was written out for less than 10,000 dollars.

[nexxie]

1 hour ago, howivesforever said:

I just feel like  it's seriously reaching with anything Dorit. She laughed at his continued NO answer about not liking her hair not at Jagger. 

 

Hell I laughed too that hair was a mess and I certainly wasn't laughing as in making fun of the child.

The point is how Jagger must have felt.

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, howivesforever said:

I just don't see the point in trying to make him this monster and we don't know the facts. As far as I know celebrities and ordinary people file bankruptcy everyday. Not sure what that would have to do with him having a mistress or not or even who it was. As far as we know him and his wife could have had an open marriage or she cheated on him and then he didn't care anymore. It's really all speculation because again we don't know the facts. 

You may want to google Paul Kemsley / Greystone.  He is scum.

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

My comment wasn't specific to the Kemsleys', just generally speaking to the trend of reality TV and reality controversies. I don't think Erika or Eileen would do that either. His financial history has nothing to do with their grievances with him and I don't suspect either of them would stoop to that level just for the sake of embarrassment. We know that's how Kim and Rinna play though, lol.

I definitely agree there are people who join reality TV with huge idiotic pasts and almost count on using their shortcomings as a weapon against others who acknowledge the obvious. 

I never say anything nice about Rinna, but I don't see her counting other people's money, unless it is to say how fabulous something is.  I only say that because Rinna had to shut her stores down and I am certain that was hard on her.  I have said probably too many nice things about Kim this year and unless guided by someone like Brandi, I don't see her sinking to that level.  Kim is really sensitive about anyone talking about her financial status past or present-unless of course it is the charming story where her FIL Marvin Davis gave her a million dollars to go blow. 

[howivesforever]

23 minutes ago, nexxie said:

The point is how Jagger must have felt.

We'll just disagree. I doubt Jagger felt anything except he didn't like his mothers hair.

24 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

You may want to google Paul Kemsley / Greystone.  He is scum.

No thanks. Even if at one point in his life he made bad decisions people can and do change. Outside of the context of the show I don't care that much. What I saw of him on the show was a man that loves and cherishes Dorit and their kids.

[sarivon]

14 hours ago, princelina said:

 

Mauricio's reported trysts with trans hookers were not part of the show - even though LVP "innocently" mentioned them in Kyle's kitchen in front of Portia.

 

Yeah and yet Kyle claims to still be Lisa VP's friend. maybe she needs friends cuz a bitchy remark like that would have been a deal-breaker for me forever.

12 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

 

I see more to like about PK than to dislike.  He appears to be a sweet, supportive husband. Can't find fault with that.

Yeah I can't get on PK for his looks. He's like Simon from NY, maybe a little too involved but hopefully a good husband and father.

30 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

You may want to google Paul Kemsley / Greystone.  He is scum.

OK, wait, now I just saw this ^^ comment. I may have to edit later....

[sarivon]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

I don't know. I've never assumed and I won't begin to. The abilities of any of these people as parents is a line I've drawn and try not to cross. I didn't cross it with Slade, I didn't cross it with drunk Kim, I'm not going to cross it with Erika. That's just my comfort level.

 

you are kind. I feel like with Kim, hearing "Oh she's/you're a great mom" on the show and reunions when we know from what her sister has said (on the show ) that Kim's been a drunk thru a good part of her kids lives (and maybe drove drunk with them in the car), and Slade and his blonde toy talking about how great a dad he is, yet his ex is on record saying the opposite, it seems like those topics are fair game. But as I said you are kind!

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Martinigirl said:

I agree with this.  I do however believe when Erika said "I know who you are" it hit a nerve with Dorit. 

I think Dorit took offense to Erika thinking she knows her because in Dorit's mind, she probably thinks that if you really know her, then you can't not like her, lol. I used to be surprised by the amount of people who were so oblivious to how their flaws aren't endearing to everyone else, and they couldn't possibly fathom someone not taking a liking to them. I think Dorit at the reunion summed it up when she said that she thought her and Erika were going to hit it off right away. Despite claiming not to care, she did really want to be Erika's friend and she felt slighted by Erika not taking well to her. Perhaps the whole panty thing was Dorit's stupid way of trying to create an inside joke with Erika that they constantly remind each other and giggle as they sip on their mimosas while they look at their fancy cars parked outside of a fancy restaurant where they're eating their overpriced salads.

[DebbieM4]

On 4/12/2017 at 2:20 PM, Vicky8675309 said:

Both Erika and Eileen are rude and dismissive.  They are so self righteous and the way they kept telling people to "calm down" every time the others raised their voice was rude and almost like gas lighting. Erika picking her nails and looking at the ceiling when PK was talking was rude and dismissive but I'm sure many will love it because the PK hate is strong.

I agree and it shows she can think on her feet and has manners.

One of the rudest moments I've ever seen on this show was during the PK/Erika conversation on the finale when Eileen inserted herself into the conversation, directly addressed PK, and then dismissed him rudely when he tried to speak with, "Don't care!  Don't care!  Don't care!"   She should have kept her mouth shut to begin with, or at least listened to what he had to say.  I thought it was incredibly childish.  She knows better and she should do better, but she's desperate to be relevant.   She is very much not the shining light of decency that she proclaims herself to be.  She's severely lacking in self-awareness, and her TH's make my head spin.

And yes, Erika is consistently rude.  Her superior attitude is grating enough, but she loves to top it off by rudely cutting people off and saying dismissive and obnoxious things when they're simply trying to speak.  Her opinion and feelings are all that matter to her, and her words are the only ones she wants anyone to hear.  Totally self-absorbed to the point that she doesn't even bother pretending to give two shits about anyone else.

[RHJunkie]

16 minutes ago, sarivon said:

 

you are kind. I feel like with Kim, hearing "Oh she's/you're a great mom" on the show and reunions when we know from what her sister has said (on the show ) that Kim's been a drunk thru a good part of her kids lives (and maybe drove drunk with them in the car), and Slade and his blonde toy talking about how great a dad he is, yet his ex is on record saying the opposite, it seems like those topics are fair game. But as I said you are kind!

They definitely do make themselves fair game when they bring up their parenting, feature their kids, talk about their kids or promote their kids. You can't want to reap the benefits of the exposure and expect that people can't have anything other than positive opinions to share about it. I'm certainly not bothered or judging people who do have a negative opinion about any of these people as parents. They pay a price for the Bravo paycheque, and whatever they endure for that money and that fame, they've decided it's worth whatever shit they or their family may have to deal with to get it. It's just a personal thing for me, that's all. Hopefully you didn't take it as any kind of shade, I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive about it! lol

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, Higgins said:

How much navigating and assistance did Erika's son receive from his mother in his day to day life?

I have no idea, nor I believe does anyone else. 

[ElDosEquis]

41 minutes ago, DebbieM4 said:

One of the rudest moments I've ever seen on this show was during the PK/Erika conversation on the finale when Eileen inserted herself into the conversation, directly addressed PK, and then dismissed him rudely when he tried to speak with, "Don't care!  Don't care!  Don't care!"   She should have kept her mouth shut to begin with, or at least listened to what he had to say.  I thought it was incredibly childish.  She knows better and she should do better, but she's desperate to be relevant.   She is very much not the shining light of decency that she proclaims herself to be.  She's severely lacking in self-awareness, and her TH's make my head spin.

And yes, Erika is consistently rude.  Her superior attitude is grating enough, but she loves to top it off by rudely cutting people off and saying dismissive and obnoxious things when they're simply trying to speak.  Her opinion and feelings are all that matter to her, and her words are the only ones she wants anyone to hear.  Totally self-absorbed to the point that she doesn't even bother pretending to give two shits about anyone else.

When people do not have a 1) point to make, 2) haven't got a good counterpoint, 3) get caught heaving horseshit about, 4) cannot 'win' the discussion or 5) are just plain chucklefucks?

They resort to 1) interrupting, 2) dismissing the other person in the convo, 3) yelling louder or 4) throwing in an Eff You, STFU, YOU are a LIAR.

That is the way assholes in the street argue - they go 'nuclear' - they lay waste to their opponent and everything in the area.

Eileen and ericas can dish it out, but heaven forbid anyone treat them the way that they treat others in a one-sided conversation. They'd run home to daddy and whine about being 'disrespected' by a man who THEY went after.

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One thing I find VERY entertaining is a woman getting into it with a man, then expecting her 'womanhood' to keep a guy from going after her in return.

 Fuck that.

PK was pretty civil when he called ericas 'inherently cold' - EJ probably was more insulted because she didn't know what the word 'inherently' meant - I wouldn't have been so kind, especially if some immature asshole started in on me and kept cutting me off.

[Feline Queen]

4 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Nope, Dorit brought it up when Eileen's dress blew up from the wind. "I've seen enough for a while" Dorit also brought it up AGAIN with PK  when trying on dresses in her bedroom

Dorit also mentioned the same thing again at Lisa's rose & diamonds party. 

[motorcitymom65]

3 hours ago, howivesforever said:

I just don't see the point in trying to make him this monster and we don't know the facts. As far as I know celebrities and ordinary people file bankruptcy everyday. Not sure what that would have to do with him having a mistress or not or even who it was. As far as we know him and his wife could have had an open marriage or she cheated on him and then he didn't care anymore. It's really all speculation because again we don't know the facts. 

I don't disagree with any of that. I think he is a big pig, but have no judgment on the marital stuff because I have zero clue what was going on in their marriage. Maybe the wife was happy to be rid of him. Same with Erika and her deal with her kid. I have zero idea what was going on in her life, what problems/issues she may have had, so it doesn't much bother me. PK's wife isn't running around badmouthing him, and neither is Erika's son and ex-husband, so who knows for sure what went down. Doesn't stop a ton of judgment from most. 

I will say the financial stuff with PK is of interest, simply because we've seen so much of some of these folks being grifters and posers. It is hard to imagine being dead broke in 2013 to the tunes of needing to get out from under $50MM in debt, to living the kind of life they want us to believe in 2017 (actually, the summer of 2016 when this was filmed). Reminds me of others like Juicy or Russell. In both instances it was hard to wrap your mind around how these people acquired such wealth. It is easy to understand with someone like LVP, Kyle, Camille, Adrienne, or Erika, but there is something slightly fuzzy about PK and his money. But we won't have to wait and wonder. If they stay on the show and there are issues, we will know soon enough. 

3 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

At least she still lives with him?

Well, kind of. She does pay for the nannies that actually mother him. 

[princelina]

34 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

When people do not have a 1) point to make, 2) haven't got a good counterpoint, 3) get caught heaving horseshit about, 4) cannot 'win' the discussion or 5) are just plain chucklefucks?

They resort to 1) interrupting, 2) dismissing the other person in the convo, 3) yelling louder or 4) throwing in an Eff You, STFU, YOU are a LIAR.

That is the way assholes in the street argue - they go 'nuclear' - they lay waste to their opponent and everything in the area.

Eileen and ericas can dish it out, but heaven forbid anyone treat them the way that they treat others in a one-sided conversation. They'd run home to daddy and whine about being 'disrespected' by a man who THEY went after.

You forgot 5) telling the other person to "quit yelling/don't raise your voice" whether they are or not :)

[DebbieM4]

7 hours ago, lezlers said:

Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent.  I'm familiar with that concept, working in the criminal justice system and all...

Erika herself said that she left her 3 y.o. son to move away and pursue a career.  It didn't come from a tabloid story - It came from her own words.

[chewycandy]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I have no idea, nor I believe does anyone else. 

Right? It's funny how if anything is said about PK and Jagger, the response is "at least he's a loving husband" and "at least Jagger still lives with mommy." Who knows if Tom is more loving to Erika than what is shown? E's son lives with her now, so I assume the relationship is still loving. Just...please. Dorit has a huge staff at home, and her scenes with her children don't necessarily mean she is mother of the year. I don't care about that stuff, really...why not focus on what happens between the housewives themselves and not their mothering abilities or how much their husbands care for them! Lol 

Edited April 13, 2017 by chewycandy

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

I an not liking the PK hate train. Especially the attacks on his appearance. Not everyone is born beautiful. It's one thing to criticize someone for altering their looks ie through extensive surgery fillers botox etc., bad makeup, poor dress choices. These are choices people make. And so he's overweight, so what. He seems to be a very good husband to Dorit and a good dad to his kids. They have an easy way with each other. Not phony or uncomfortable like Erica and Tom. And he doesn't disrespect her by shooshing her in front of people. I'm not sure what his big sin was here. He looked at Erikas vag after her big announcement? He joked about it the next day? He said he was embarrassed by it? He apologized to her? I actually kind of like him. he seems real.

I was pretty hard on PK this season.  I have to say I think I may have been too hard on him.  I like the way he stood up for his wife at the reunion without being a caveman about it and I thought Erika was unnecessarily rude and dismissive.  I am not sure Erika has been the beneficiary of such loyalty in her husband.  It also seems to me that Eileen is Gretchen Wiener to Erika/Lisa Rinna's Regina George.  Just cosigns what they say no matter how stupid or ill behaved they are acting.  I also don't think PK is fat.  I think he is a bit soft but even Mauricio was rocking a gut in Mexico during Rinna's awful 'performance'.  No biggie.  It happens with age.  

My likes and dislikes have been swapping more this season than they normally do.  Rinna sucks major ass, Eileen needs her own ideas and quit blindly defending the indefensible, Erika needs to be more gracious and stop taking herself so seriously, Eden, bless her heart, needs to maybe go away, not much to say about Kyle and LVP.  Not much different from previous seasons.  

8 hours ago, Jel said:

Which answer is going to make this middle-aged Costco shopper sound cooler?

I'll go with that one.

I like Jel-Z