S04.E11: Big Girl in the Big Apple

[bichonblitz]

12 hours ago, LookABird said:

Todd is so jealous and unpleasant, and Whitney is so completely lacking in empathy and understanding.  It's a match made in Heaven!

Yes! Whit was her usual narcissistic self, no surprise there but I was shocked at what a whiney, jealous little bitch Todd is. He just wouldn't let up. I would have told Whit to go do her thing and I will do mine and we will meet up later.  I guess that wouldn't make for much of a show, though. 

[Ocean Chick]

11 hours ago, Alapaki said:

"Having a dance career in Greensboro, North Carolina . . . "

"Having a dance career in Greensboro, North Carolina . . . "

"Having a dance career in Greensboro, North Carolina . . . "

I have to keep repeating it to myself.  Because I still can't fucking believe that she's trying to sell that line.

YOU DON'T HAVE A DANCE CAREER!!!!! YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING CAREER!!!!!

You know what people with dance careers don't have to do?  They don't have to run all over the place stealing dance moves from other people when they have a choreograph a few minutes of a dance.  You fucking fraud.  

Amen AND Hallelujah! 

Twit is a dance legend.  In her own mind.  And if I thought for one minute that any of this "drama" was for real, I might work up enough energy to care.  But since it's not, I'm not bothered.  Twit and Todd clearly only wanted to show how great they are at acting.  Which they aren't.  But oh well.  So the crew are obviously setting up some redemption scene for Todd, so which way do we think it will go?  Will he come crawling back before the next "dance battle" and save the day?  Or will he wait until after Twit "wins" the battle and come back begging for forgiveness?  I'm going to need popcorn to get through the next couple of episodes, that's for sure!

And I've shared many a room when traveling with my gay BFF and we've never once shared a bed.  That's just so ewwwww.  I don't want anyone touching me when I'm sleeping.  I once shared a bed with a married friend of mine and she obviously thought I was her husband after she went to sleep, as I woke up with her draped over my back.  I was not comfortable.  She drooled.  LOL

I think Todd was mostly upset because it was Twit who the Marshall focused on.  My gaydar went off big time when I saw him.  Maybe Todd was thinking that THEY'D catch eye and end up in a romance?  But anyway, if Twit really had plans with Todd (which we know they didn't, because they'd read the script already and knew about the video thing), then she should have stuck to the plan and told the Marshall, "Thanks, but no thanks".

[AmyB]

8 minutes ago, puppytoes said:

Just checked the fitness marshalls YouTube channel and surprise, surprise-no video in Central Park with Whitney.

I have been doing the same thing and yet no video. He had posted on IM Monday that the vid woild be posted after the episode aired. I give it one more day before I ask hey where is the vid. Sooooo fake! 

So i wonder if he invites her to tour with him and thats her unexpected career choice thing coming up cuz I know he was in Greensboro in Jan to do stuff with her so the timeline fits with when her mom has a stroke (which i do believe happened for real and is not faked) . Sorry thinking out loud.   

Edited April 5, 2017 by AmyB
Thinking out loud

[Ocean Chick]

Oh, and another thing I just remembered - Todd described this class as a "Master Class", which is something for those with a good base of training.  Yet I remember seeing several very young girls in that class - something I doubt would happen in a real master class.  And then he remarked about how many people were there.  Which looked to be less than 50.  Is 50 in a class so very remarkable?  Didn't look like teeming hordes to me.

And if Twit is so desperate for cuddles and human touch, she should just hire a male escort and be done with it.  For enough money, they'll ignore the stench and dampness and take care of her needs.  And the rest of humanity would be safe from her.

[Tinfoil Hat]

I'm sure Todd, as a gay man living (at least part of the time) in North Carolina, has a totally easy life just because he's not fat. 

[riverblue22]

I'm sure the invitation to shoot the video was planned ahead by TLC.  Further promotion for the dance guy (didn't catch his name) and more footage for the show.  How much of New York as seen by Whitney does the audience really want to see?  I doubt the video will ever be shown on youtube.

I wonder if Whitney is hoping that if she can just get a guy in bed snuggling with her, they will get turned on (cuz who wouldn't--it's fabulous Whitney!!!!) and she will get them to fall in love with her?  Because Whitney just knows she's great in bed!

[Honey]

2 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Anorexia nervosa is a psychiatric illness, not an addiction. Sorry to be particular about this but I have  a history of this illness and it's always lumped in with drug and food addicts. It has less to do with food than people think, that's just the way the disease manifests itself and keeps itself alive. It also takes over your brain to the point where it becomes its own personality within you. It has much to do with "control" issues and sustenance is a very easy thing to control--no one can force someone to eat (very simplistic explanation). Sorry to digress. Just a teeny annoyance of mine, AN is very misunderstood. Back on track.........

Whit does have some serious issues going on that probably need to be dealt with in order for her to make healthy changes that will stick.

I wasn't lumping it together with addictions.  I was trying to say that even if she weighed 80 pounds due to anorexia and refused to get help, I wouldn't respect her.  I know it's a mental illness.  Sorry for the confusion.

[Honey]

1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:

Haven't seen this yet but wondering why Babs is the source of all her issues? Why is it always only the mom? She has a dad - a dad who has never been able to say no to her. A dad who thought her nude rolls jiggling around in her 'belly dancing' routine was 'beautiful'.

I think there's a team effort of dysfunction there.

I don't think I've heard her Dad say anything to her that was just outright cruel.  Babs does it all the time.

[Honey]

There is no "gaydar" needed (I hate that term) needed to see that The Marshall is gay.  All it requires, is to be conscious.

[Dot]

1 hour ago, Cherrio said:

Oh, I agree. Both parents are to blame.  

Twit is 32 years old. It's time for her to grow up. Parents always influence a child's devopment. If there is a problem with nurture, there are thousands of shrinks out there ready to work with your mommy & daddy issues. In fact, I understand Twit herself is going to one. Good for her. But in her case, I think most of her disorder comes from within. I don't know what supposedly causes histrionic personity disorder, but I can't buy that parents are wholly to blame. 

[AmyB]

Just now, Dot said:

Twit is 32 years old. It's time for her to grow up. Parents always influence a child's devopment. If there is a problem with nurture, there are thousands of shrinks out there ready to work with your mommy & daddy issues. In fact, I understand Twit herself is going to one. Good for her. But in her case, I think most of her disorder comes from within. I don't know what supposedly causes histrionic personity disorder, but I can't buy that parents are wholly to blame. 

Wait going to be one what? Mom? Or shrink. I am confused. Her pregnancy scare was just that a scare. She isn't pregnant. 

[Dot]

5 minutes ago, AmyB said:

Wait going to be one what? Mom? Or shrink. I am confused. Her pregnancy scare was just that a scare. She isn't pregnant. 

Going to one (a shrink), not going to BE one, which is NOT in the sentence.

[AmyB]

9 minutes ago, Dot said:

Going to one (a shrink), not going to BE one, which is NOT in the sentence.

Hahaha i so totally read it wrong oops lol :p 

[John M]

1 hour ago, Ocean Chick said:

And I've shared many a room when traveling with my gay BFF and we've never once shared a bed.  That's just so ewwwww.  I don't want anyone touching me when I'm sleeping.  I once shared a bed with a married friend of mine and she obviously thought I was her husband after she went to sleep, as I woke up with her draped over my back.  I was not comfortable.  She drooled.  LOL

I think it is just a matter of personal boundaries, I've shared beds with girlfriends before, wasn't a big deal. But also unlike Whit I am not starved for physical attention of any kind so it was just a straight girl in bed with with a gay guy and maybe a little snuggling, maybe not. I mean most people enjoy a little physical attention even if it is completely platonic.

A few years ago I was visiting a married female friend and we shared a bed in a hotel. Her husband knew and was fine with it because I'm super gay and I've known her longer than he has.

And just to put The Fitness Marshall to rest, he is definitely gay because I have eyes and ears but if you need more evidence:

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Moving to the rhythm of pop and hip-hop music has always played a major role in the life of the 22-year-old. Since he was a little boy, Britney Spears impressed him with her unique movements. Until today she is his big source of inspiration.

...

With this dedication he has already gathered an incredible fan base across all his social media channels and he will not give up until he achieves his goal: being the Britney Spears of the fitness world.

Also there is a video on his instagram of him kissing another guy on the lips. So yeah, giant homo.

Edited April 5, 2017 by John M

[John M]

13 hours ago, Dot said:

There's B-roll footage on MBFFL's FB page where Twit forces Tal into "cuddling" by a fire on a rainy day. Why she thinks either gay guy is gonna go straight for a 400# woman is beyond me. A part of how "sen-shus" she is, I guess.

Remember how one nothing kiss after horseback riding mean she was dating a girl? Or her crying in the antique store after Roy rejected her? Or stalking Lenny?

Whit is just starved for anything resembling romantic attention, I think it is just a pathological need for her and anything, anything at all is just a sip of water to someone dying in the desert.

[Me from ME]

And not definite proof of anything but when someone has a rainbow on their t-shirt... (I might have seen this in one of the linked videos.  And I wish I could move like that. Not just the steps but the overall panache.)

[gonecrackers]

1 hour ago, Honey said:

I don't think I've heard her Dad say anything to her that was just outright cruel.  Babs does it all the time.

True - at least for on the show - but parents don't have to be outright cruel to create dysfunction in their kids.

I do have an issue with people blaming the mother - they seem to take the most heat no matter what the situation. But fathers have a huge role to play in their kids' upbringing & emotional health, even in just walking away (abandonment). They get too many free passes with parenting messes, in my opinion.

I've always liked Glenn, from what I've seen, at least until the very uncomfy 'belly dancing performance', in which I thought he was weird & a bit creepy. But even just never saying no to a child is creating dysfunction.

Edited April 5, 2017 by gonecrackers
clarification

[John M]

Just getting around to watching this episode, Bab's actually saying how embarrassed she is of Whit and Whit's response is it's just a mother's love.

No Whit, she is saying you are a lazy fat piece of shit and she is embarrassed that it is being shown all over TV because can't find any other work because you refuse to shower or wear appropriate clothing in the workplace.

It has nothing to do with love, she is actually embarrassed by you.

[princelina]

48 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

True - at least for on the show - but parents don't have to be outright cruel to create dysfunction in their kids.

I do have an issue with people blaming the mother - they seem to take the most heat no matter what the situation. But fathers have a huge role to play in their kids' upbringing & emotional health, even in just walking away (abandonment). They get too many free passes with parenting messes, in my opinion.

I've always liked Glenn, from what I've seen, at least until the very uncomfy 'belly dancing performance', in which I thought he was weird & a bit creepy. But even just never saying no to a child is creating dysfunction.

I agree with you - although I'm giving Glenn a pass on the belly dancing because he was forced to be there and probably felt he had to say something nice.

[Snarklepuss]

3 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

Haven't seen this yet but wondering why Babs is the source of all her issues? Why is it always only the mom? She has a dad - a dad who has never been able to say no to her. A dad who thought her nude rolls jiggling around in her 'belly dancing' routine was 'beautiful'.

I think there's a team effort of dysfunction there.

Of course, but in Whitney's case the apple isn't falling far from the tree with her mother, which tells me that her mother has more to do with the noticeable dysfunctions we're seeing on the TV.  Whatever blame Glenn shares is less obvious to the audience and probably something buried way deep in her psyche.  Her father may have affected her primarily in how she sees and relates to the opposite sex, but it may not have been anything he did but maybe what he didn't do that this particular child needed, which may not be the greater fault.  Glenn seems like a pretty decent person, her mother seems more screwed up if you ask me just going by what I've seen and my gut instinct, and for that alone I still think Babs shares more of the blame. 

[goodbyeglittergirl]

So I was really excited by the prospect of this episode, because I LOVE the Fitness Marshall. He really lives out body positivity and his exercise videos on YouTube are really fun. I went to one of his "cardio concerts" (what Whit was calling a workshop) about a month ago and LOVED it.

Now, that said, I am not in great shape. I do Fitness Marshall videos about 3 times a week for about 30 minutes at a time, but I am overweight and consider myself out of shape. I did the ENTIRE cardio concert, full out, and did not puke. So I am not really buying the Todd puking from exertion deal unless he was hungover or getting over a bug or something. I am an exercise puker from way back and I was TOTALLY fine.

I wish he'd gotten more screen time as something other than a Whit-fan so that people could see more of him for who he is - because he's fabulous.

I thought Todd acted like an ahole this episode but assume that's for dramatic purposes.

[auntjess]

12 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

Are you talking about the arch in Washington Square Park in NY's Greenwich Village?  NYC is my hometown, although I don't remember seeing that arch in this episode unless I missed it.

I ff'd through it, and it was about 25:03 on mine, but recording sometimes starts before show.
It was  soon after the phone call to check on the cats.

 

10 hours ago, Geekygal16 said:

so when she gets asked to participate in a lame ass You Tube video to hop around like a bunny (this is a serious "dance career",

I was thinking the other day how any dance career she might have achieved, has become "dance career" in quotes.

3 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

Haven't seen this yet but wondering why Babs is the source of all her issues?

Babs has biting remarks, and the one someone quoted earlier, about her softly slipped-in remark about how she's embarrassed by Whitney was pretty cruel.
I bet Babs says "bless you heart" a lot, and in Southern, that's pretty damning.

Edited April 5, 2017 by auntjess

[AmyB]

4 minutes ago, goodbyeglittergirl said:

 

Now, that said, I am not in great shape. I do Fitness Marshall videos about 3 times a week for about 30 minutes at a time, but I am overweight and consider myself out of shape. I did the ENTIRE cardio concert, full out, and did not puke. So I am not really buying the Todd puking from exertion deal unless he was hungover or getting over a bug or something. I am an exercise puker from way back and I was TOTALLY fine.

If it wasn't faked for drama then I feel like Todd may have been sick and coming down with the flu or a stomach bug. He did look flush in the face. Atlhough he did come across as an ass, he was in the right. Just for the sake argument if this was reality and this took place, hell I would be pissed off too if my bff chose to do this instead of what we had initial planned basically making the whole trip about herself and not an "us" thing. She was being an attention whore which is right on course for her. But of course Todd is seen as the bad guy and Twit the victim. And she totally cried right on que! 

[Ketzel]

I have disliked Todd since he called Kerryn the c-word for pointing out a few home truths about Whitney's behavior. Even before that, I found his clumsy dancing (didn't he once say that Whitney had taught him everything he knows about dance?) and his pissy diva attitudes off-putting. And while I firmly believe that everything about this episode was as staged as all the other "opportunities" Whitney has been given this season, I still think Todd had reason to be irritated by the way he was portrayed in this episode. His complaint about Whitney's inability to see anyone's needs but her own was legit. 

It starts with the set-up that Todd was going to New York to take a "master class/workshop" with The Fitness Marshall, one of his dance heroes!!!)  and had an extra ticket/pass so he invited Whitney to go with him. Already the show is shading the truth. This wasn't a master class, at least not as that term is generally understood in the performing arts world. The Fitness Marshall has been touring around doing 60 minute classes open to all, no experience necessary, followed by meet-and-greets at @$45 a ticket for some time now.  In fact, he did two classes in Charlotte in February of 2016, but perhaps that didn't suit TLC's shooting schedule. Or the producers' desire to get Whitney on an airplane.

The class in New York was at the end of November, 2016 and was advertised with the notice that the class would be filmed for television, and a release would be required of all the participants.  So Whitney and Todd arrive with the TLC film crew and take up their positions front and center of the stage. (And as someone who has attended many actual master classes taught by ardently admired celebrity dancers, I can assure you that in an actual class that piece of real estate would be hard fought for.  Sometimes literally, with elbows and yelling. Especially in New York City. I expect other participants were told to keep that area clear, or TLC had it marked off in some way.)

So much for Whitney, the anonymous fabulous one, locking eyes with Marshall as she danced seductively before him, spontaneously inspiring him to include her in his new video. (Which doesn't appear to exist online, as far as I can tell.) It's clear everyone, including Todd, knew that was the plan/storyline. It would have been kinder to him, though, to show Whitney making a genuine effort to include him, rather than gleefully accepting Marshall's invitation and then asking "Could we include Todd?" ("We?!")

 Would it have killed her to respond to Marshall's offer with, "Wow, I'm flattered, I'd love to, but Todd is my bff and eternal dance partner and he was the one who brought me here, he's a huge fan. Could we both be in the video? I would hate for him to feel overlooked or left out." Then, after Marshall sorrowfully refuses, because this fake video he's making with her is only because she's enormous and Todd's weight is proportional to his height, so he doesn't serve Marshall's purpose, Whitney could have shown some actual concern for Todd's feelings. She keeps saying she's an actress, after all. Maybe ask Todd if he'd mind very much if she did the video, pouring on all the sad and lonely fat girl who nevernevernever gets to do ANYTHING crap, until he caves in and says go for it.  Whitney could look sensitive to Todd's feelings while still getting her own way; Todd could look less like an afterthought and more like a generous friend, despite his legitimate disappointment.

Instead, as always, they both come across as whiney jerks, although I'd score Whitney higher on the jerk scale this time than Todd.

Edited to add photo.

 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Ketzel

[John M]

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You don't be connected to me any more than you feel like you are

Feel like you are. Yeah, I think Whit thinks way more of her "relationship" with Todd than he does.

[Dianaofthehunt]

I cry "Brava!" to Babs for telling Whitney outright how embarrassing she is. Nurturing is over-rated, people. (Yes, I'm serious.)
Babs would be my gal if she would only get a job and contribute to the economy.

Point Number 2: Speaking of embarrassing, I would melt through the concrete if, upon reaching Manhattan, my companion yelled out, "We made it! New York City, yeah!" I sank down into the sofa cushions when I heard that. How gauche.

Point Number 3: (and this is not specific to Whitney or Todd:) why must dancing entail such ugly face-making? the grunty-looks, the pooched-up lips? I noticed that during the laughably-named "dance battle," and also on Dance Moms. Such ugliness!  It's unsupportable.

I must add: Todd should stop wearing little shorts, and start wearing long pants like an adult. Also, the name "Todd" is a cross between "toddler" and "turd" and he really should change it.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Dianaofthehunt

[gonecrackers]

50 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Babs has biting remarks, and the one someone quoted earlier, about her softly slipped-in remark about how she's embarrassed by Whitney was pretty cruel.
I bet Babs says "bless you heart" a lot, and in Southern, that's pretty damning.

I'm not excusing Babs at all. She seems passive aggressive towards Whit, condescends to her & acts superior. This may be a reason why Whit seems so insecure.

 

1 hour ago, Snarklepuss said:

Whatever blame Glenn shares is less obvious to the audience and probably something buried way deep in her psyche.  Her father may have affected her primarily in how she sees and relates to the opposite sex, but it may not have been anything he did but maybe what he didn't do that this particular child needed, which may not be the greater fault.  Glenn seems like a pretty decent person, her mother seems more screwed up if you ask me just going by what I've seen and my gut instinct, and for that alone I still think Babs shares more of the blame. 

This could be true regarding Glenn, & as I said I do like him.  Even though Babs has a lot going on with her, I still won't give him a total pass on Whit's adult issues. It seems he's overindulgent with her & possibly an enabler at times... but that may just be how I see it.

Edited April 5, 2017 by gonecrackers

[John M]

7 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

I'm not excusing Babs at all. She seems passive aggressive towards Whit, condescends to her & acts superior.

She is superior and Whit deserves being talked down to.

I get it, it's not very nice but Whit doesn't deserve any respect. I'm also pretty certain that the show is deeply embarrassing to her parents and that they feel obligated to participate in it because TLC says they have to be part of the show for there to be a show and their lazy unemployed daughter who refuses to practice self-care, act or present herself in a way that would make her employable has no other prospects to pull down a decent wage.

I want to see Whit in 5 years after her 15 minutes of fame are over, I feel comfortable assuming she will be confined to a scooter if not worse and either living off her parents or or SSDI if she hasn't put a lot of money away from the show in her speaking gigs.

Edited April 5, 2017 by John M

[Dot]

2 hours ago, AmyB said:

Hahaha i so totally read it wrong oops lol :p 

That's OK. With all the delicious backstories you provide this forum, you're granted a lapse or two. ?

[Tosia]

Yep, count me in on both parents, and her brother.  Families are a group dynamic and it all counts.   Or weighs in.........(eyeroll).

Since dad never said no to Twit, I imagine that mom attempted to instill some discipline/manners/social skills/ empathy for others,  and obviously, her efforts fell flat, cuz Twit learned manipulation to get what she wants early (from Daddy dearestand others).  

 Maybe that's why Babs goes back and forth, passive-agressively, in saying inults or shots to/abt Twit, and praising her over-lavishly (from mother-guilt). 

Either way, what a monster they created. Not just the  narcissism, but the lack of personal hygiene and boundaries.  Yuck. 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Tosia
Not a psychoanalyst, but I'm playing one online.

[ClareWalks]

I'm at the point with the Fitness Marshall class, and wow is he fucking annoying. When Whitney was like "I feel a connection with him in my soul," I was like, "yeah, no shit, he's almost as insufferable as your broke ass." I liked Todd making fun of it, though, how Whitney was trying to be all seductive towards a guy who is SO GAY, obviously, When I read the comments here that said "my gaydar is going off," I thought maybe it'd be slightly ambiguous, but there isn't even a debate, honestly, the dude is flaming FFS.

And I noticed Whitney really struggled to get onto the rickshaw. WHY? It was like a foot and a half step up. That's it. Nobody able-bodied under the age of 60 should have trouble with that. And the ramp up to the ferry was "Mount Everest." I would LOVE to see Whitney try to climb Mount Everest. You know she'd think she could, too.

[AZChristian]

2 minutes ago, ClareWalks said:

And I noticed Whitney really struggled to get onto the rickshaw. WHY? It was like a foot and a half step up. That's it. Nobody able-bodied under the age of 60 should have trouble with that. And the ramp up to the ferry was "Mount Everest." I would LOVE to see Whitney try to climb Mount Everest. You know she'd think she could, too.

I am neither able-bodied (pudgy, with a total knee replacement 10 months ago), nor under 60 (70), but I could easily get into that rickshaw and walk up that ramp.  A couple of weeks ago, I walked over 1/2 mile up a steep dirt path to go ziplining.  I was out of breath, but that's from a chronic lung situation combined with altitude.  

Whit should be ashamed of how disabled she has made herself by carrying that much weight.

[Dot]

1 hour ago, John M said:

She is superior and Whit deserves being talked down to.

I get it, it's not very nice but Whit doesn't deserve any respect. I'm also pretty certain that the show is deeply embarrassing to her parents and that they feel obligated to participate in it because TLC says they have to be part of the show for there to be a show and their lazy unemployed daughter who refuses to practice self-care, act or present herself in a way that would make her employable has no other prospects to pull down a decent wage.

I want to see Whit in 5 years after her 15 minutes of fame are over, I feel comfortable assuming she will be confined to a scooter if not worse and either living off her parents or or SSDI if she hasn't put a lot of money away from the show in her speaking gigs.

ITA.  And, remember, Twit brought on the comment by telling Babs how embarrassed she was as a child in the outfit her mother choose for her. ( Which sounded far more appropriate for a trip to NYC, BTW, than what Twit claims her classmates wore.) So Babs shot back. I suspect these two have been trading shots all of Twit's adult life, if not before. We've seen examples before, just never one as raw (and honest) as this one about Twit's being an embarrassment to her.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Dot

[ClareWalks]

Just finished the episode. Final verdict: Whitney and Todd BOTH suck, but when Whitney referred to Todd's "perfect fucking body" and the privilege that gives him, I just rolled my eyes. Finally the truth comes out that Whitney is jealous of people with good bodies, and has no shame whatsoever about getting TV shows or YouTube videos JUST because she is a big fat woman. "Let me have this one thing, BECAUSE I'm fat," bitch please. You know all that respect you claim Todd gets because he isn't massively obese? You could have that, too, if you gave a single shit. I'm not gonna cry for you, Argentina, because people think less of you because you are fat. People are judgmental assholes. That is a fact. I'm sure people look at me with my big nose and think I'm disgusting, the difference is I don't give a rat's crapbag about it and don't live my life as if I do. Whitney is so dependent on the adoration of others that it is truly depressing to watch. That said, I will keep watching this show, because you guys are so much fun to snark with, LOL :)

[John M]

Whit was barely dancing in that class, this was clearly a cross promotional thing and as such there wasn't any reason not to include Todd, like everything else on this show it was a contrived situation to attempt to make Whit like this amazing dancer that everyone is drawn to and Todd was cast in the role of bitchy queen for the plot.

Todd was cast for the show, in the shared bed scene he made it clear that he is not really as close to Whit as she thinks he is and this was his moment to throw some shade that he probably has been wanting to throw.

I think every social gay has had the fat girl that just hangs around and thinks their biggest BFF in the world when in reality you barely tolerate them. Todd wants an acting career, he is getting exposure out of this and that's all there is to it. I don't get the impression that Todd is much closer to Whit than casual acquaintance that fit the storyline TLC wanted to show, this is just a paying gig for him. Would you want to be good friends with Whit?

And shut up about that goddamn dance battle, NO ONE CARES!

[gonecrackers]

1 hour ago, John M said:

She is superior and Whit deserves being talked down to.

I get it, it's not very nice but Whit doesn't deserve any respect. I'm also pretty certain that the show is deeply embarrassing to her parents and that they feel obligated to participate in it because TLC says they have to be part of the show for there to be a show and their lazy unemployed daughter who refuses to practice self-care, act or present herself in a way that would make her employable has no other prospects to pull down a decent wage.

I want to see Whit in 5 years after her 15 minutes of fame are over, I feel comfortable assuming she will be confined to a scooter if not worse and either living off her parents or or SSDI if she hasn't put a lot of money away from the show in her speaking gigs.

Condescending remarks & tone are probably not an especially effective way of promoting change in a person, especially one's daughter. I'm not saying enable, but the remarks she's made to Whit, on TV no less, seem more nasty & self serving. 

And she's obviously not so embarrassed by her daughter to not get in on her own 5 minutes of fame, complete with a platform for public put downs of Whit. If I were unhappy with my adult child's appearance or behavior, I would either stay off their stupid show, or at least not insult her in front of the world.

I agree her future looks bleak riding the TLC gravy train, because eventually given her lifestyle she may end up crashing.

[Cherrio]

1 hour ago, John M said:

I want to see Whit in 5 years after her 15 minutes of fame are over,

She will be lamenting about her yellow brick road and how she can barely reach her vagina.  (600 lb. watchers will get this)

[John M]

22 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

And she's obviously not so embarrassed by her daughter to not get in on her own 5 minutes of fame, complete with a platform for public put downs of Whit. If I were unhappy with my adult child's appearance or behavior, I would either stay off their stupid show, or at least not insult her in front of the world.

What choice to they have? They don't play along and then what? Everything is the same except their fat, lazy, unwashed, disabled daughter is also broke and probably living in their house again eating their food.

I tell you what I would do, clinch my teeth and pray to god Whit can make something out of her life with this I'm fat and lazy and smell but I'm fabulous and love my body scam before she ends up on My 600-lb life even if it means I have to go on TV with her on occasion.

And echoing what someone else said, yeah, as a gay man around Todds age it is just wonderful, honey wake me up when you have to genuinely worry about walking to your car because someone might bash your head in for being fat. Tell me what it's like to worry if work finds out you are gay that you might be fired. Oh yeah, all those fat people being kicked out of restaurants. Yeah, life is just so fucking awesome for us gay men with average bodies (Todd hardly has a perfect body). Poor Whit, some people say things about fat people that you don't like, let me alert my friend with a trans kid that she is genuinely worried if she will be able to get him into adulthood without killing himself, she will get right on with making sure people shoveling food into their mouths don't feel bad about it on occasion.

Edited April 5, 2017 by John M

[Dianaofthehunt]

Where do the smell comments come from? Is it established that Whitney genuinely stinks? Question asked in all innocence.

What happened to the diabetes scare? Does she have it or doesn't she?

[John M]

7 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Where do the smell comments come from? Is it established that Whitney genuinely stinks? Question asked in all innocence.

I mean I haven't personally smelled her but she gets drenched in sweat from normal activities, admit to frequently not showering and has physical difficulty with her personal hygiene so it's safe to assume she doesn't smell great.

[goodbyeglittergirl]

1 hour ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Where do the smell comments come from? Is it established that Whitney genuinely stinks? Question asked in all innocence.

What happened to the diabetes scare? Does she have it or doesn't she?

I hugged Whitney AFTER a BGDC and she did not stink. FYI.

I think she doesn't wash her hair a ton b/c of the extensions  - b/c her hair looks just like mine if I go even one day without washing it - very oily. That said, oily hair is not stinky hair.

It's a long-held prejudice against fat people that we all smell. 

[Ocean Chick]

14 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Where do the smell comments come from? Is it established that Whitney genuinely stinks? Question asked in all innocence.

Because she has stated on tv that she doesn't shower daily.  Or even every other day.  And you can see the state of her hair, how greasy and dirty it looks most of the time.  Ergo:  stink assumed.

ETA:  We know she wouldn't recognize if she was stinky because she obviously can't tell when the cats have been crapping in the corners of the room.  It takes someone else to point that out to her before she notices it.  Which makes me assume that she's got something wrong with her sense of smell.  If so, then maybe she doesn't realize that she needs to bathe more often than she does.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Ocean Chick

[Dot]

4 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Where do the smell comments come from? Is it established that Whitney genuinely stinks? Question asked in all innocence.

What happened to the diabetes scare? Does she have it or doesn't she?

I guess I think someone who doesn't shower regularly, lets her hair get very greasy, sweats so profusely that she talks about it constantly, and lives in a very humid state probably stinks from time to time, esp. perhaps, after a workout when she's soaked in sweat. And, no, the diabetes story arc has been totally dropped. MBFFL seems to drop every story line -- except dance battles -- after 1 to 3 episodes. Esp. any story line that shows anything that might not be fabulous, such as a health problem.

[gonecrackers]

18 minutes ago, John M said:

What choice to they have? They don't play along and then what? Everything is the same except their fat, lazy, unwashed, disabled daughter is also broke and probably living in their house again eating their food.

I wonder if it was a package deal - the whole family or no show.  If they had said no & her show went ahead anyway, then they could've just stayed off it & she can use her show earnings to stay in her own place.

I wonder what her occupation was before; she had lived abroad & presumably worked there, but doing what I don't know.

Edited April 5, 2017 by gonecrackers
never mind

[John M]

2 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

I wonder if it was a package deal - the whole family or no show.  If they had said no & her show went ahead anyway, then they could've just stayed off it & she can use her show earnings to stay in her own place.

I wonder what her occupation was before; she had lived abroad & presumably worked there, but doing what I don't know.

She taught English in South Korea and worked as a producer on a local radio show which is not anything resembling the glamorous or well compensated position that it may seem like which explains why she was living at her parents.

[Ocean Chick]

3 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

I wonder what her occupation was before; she had lived abroad & presumably worked there, but doing what I don't know.

She was living in South Korea, if I remember correctly.  Teaching English?

[Pachengala]

2 hours ago, Ketzel said:

...Whitney, the anonymous fabulous one, locking eyes with Marshall as she danced seductively...

I get proxy-embarrassed super, super easily, so this was excruciating for me to watch! And then afterward, when FM was all, 'Wow! I could tell from the way you were looking at me you were really feeling it!' offering her a polite out, she OF COURSE has to respond that she was 'trying to give back what I was getting from you!' as if he actually was eye-fucking her. Yes Whitney, the handsome young GAY MAN clearly wants you. I will never understand how a person can be so self-loathing and so narcissistic at the same time. #delusional

And while I'm on it, I thought it was telling that, for her new boyfriend the Fitness Marshall, she will go low--how low? To the flo'--bad knees be damned. 

 

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

IA couple of weeks ago, I walked over 1/2 mile up a steep dirt path to go ziplining.  

Get it AZC! I'd watch a reality show about your life. 

[auntjess]

10 minutes ago, John M said:

I mean I haven't personally smelled her but she gets drenched in sweat from normal activities, admit to frequently not showering and has physical difficulty with her personal hygiene so it's safe to assume she doesn't smell great.

On the other hand, I imagine in her house, the odor of cat urine is strong enough to mask and body odor.
Those are beautiful cats, and I hate that they don't have a clean place to piss in.

[gonecrackers]

Thanks... People teach English as a second language classes in the US. It may not provide a lot of cash, but she has no one to support but herself. She could pull two jobs if needed. In no way does she need to be making an ass out of herself on TV, except, I guess, for the attention.

[Pachengala]

2 minutes ago, auntjess said:

On the other hand, I imagine in her house, the odor of cat urine is strong enough to mask and body odor.
Those are beautiful cats, and I hate that they don't have a clean place to piss in.

You don't have to imagine--this one we know for sure! Todd said, on camera, that her house smells terrible. 'Acrid! Acrid! Acrid, Ohio!' were his exact words, leading Whit to find MULTIPLE piles of cat shit. In her living spaces. So fabulous!