S03.E05: Dirty Martinis and Dirty Rumors

[OnceSane]

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Julie's daughter picks dresses for Leaver's Ball and prepares to leave for University; Caroline Fleming deals with the legacy and burden of her family estate; Adela and Caroline Stanbury confront each other at Marissa's cocktail party.

[sasha206]

Marissa:  You need a new hairsytyle STAT.  She was so pretty season 1 when she had more layers and volume.  And when she wore it sleeked back.  

[Pickles]

Jules looks so much better this season and just seems happier and more stable. I enjoyed seeing her at home with her husband and daughter. They seem happy.

juliette continues to look dreadful. 

Caroline S. is clearly so insecure. She doesn't want anyone to be friends with anyone else. I also think she is dreading moving to Dubai and taking it out on everyone.

I am enjoying Caroline Fleming, Sophie and Adela. 

[Thumper]

Did Caroline S. just decide on her own that Marissa was spreading rumors about her?  I was not following her logic.

[Pickles]

I also don't understand why Caroline S. seems to have it in for Marissa. At this point, Caroline pretty much has an ax to grind with everyone. How will she survive in Dubai without her hairdresser guy by her side constantly?

[breezy424]

39 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Did Caroline S. just decide on her own that Marissa was spreading rumors about her?  I was not following her logic.

I'm so glad you brought this up.  I thought I missed something.  I don't recall her hairdresser or whatever he is (paid friend), saying Marissa's name but Caroline adamantly said it was Marissa who said it.

I also didn't think Adela owed Caroline an apology.  She was right about Caroline at Mappeton.  Caroline should have apologized to her as well as Jules.  Caroline was being an entitled spoiled brat.

[crgirl412]

Stanburys a hot mess!  She is becoming unhinged like someone else said.  Not sure over what though: her loving husband, her move to another country to live in a huge home or her cute kids.  Poor Adela has real issues!!!  Marissa does too though hers (and her daughter's) are getting better!! 

I want to see Dubai Houseporn.  Not one shot of the family just some down and dirty houseporn. 

I think I want to see a spinoff show of Caroline F.!!  

Edited December 28, 2016 by crgirl412

[RedheadZombie]

I'm still relatively new to this series, and I still know so little.  Tonight was the first time I saw Stanbury's husband.  He seems like a good guy, and way too tolerant of her messy drama.  I wonder if he's British, or was born elsewhere.  I know Yasmin is an Arabic name, so I wonder if that's his background.

Julie's daughter was cute and likes to bust her chops.  Does anyone know if Julie's first husband was British, too?

I'm unclear about Fleming's grand estate.  I thought she had owned her family estate at some point, and lost it due to her husband's nationality.  But now she owns this estate in her own right.  Makes me think she got it in the divorce.  I'm finding her more likable than the few episodes I caught last season.

[biakbiak]

23 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm still relatively new to this series, and I still know so little.  Tonight was the first time I saw Stanbury's husband.  He seems like a good guy, and way too tolerant of her messy drama.  I wonder if he's British, or was born elsewhere.  I know Yasmin is an Arabic name, so I wonder if that's his background.

Cem is Turkish.

[crgirl412]

24 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm still relatively new to this series, and I still know so little.  Tonight was the first time I saw Stanbury's husband.  He seems like a good guy, and way too tolerant of her messy drama.  I wonder if he's British, or was born elsewhere.  I know Yasmin is an Arabic name, so I wonder if that's his background.

Julie's daughter was cute and likes to bust her chops.  Does anyone know if Julie's first husband was British, too?

I'm unclear about Fleming's grand estate.  I thought she had owned her family estate at some point, and lost it due to her husband's nationality.  But now she owns this estate in her own right.  Makes me think she got it in the divorce.  I'm finding her more likable than the few episodes I caught last season.

He was born in Turkey. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/caroline-stanbury-husband-cem-habib-ladies-of-london

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, Pickles said:

Jules looks so much better this season and just seems happier and more stable. I enjoyed seeing her at home with her husband and daughter. They seem happy.

juliette continues to look dreadful. 

Caroline S. is clearly so insecure. She doesn't want anyone to be friends with anyone else. I also think she is dreading moving to Dubai and taking it out on everyone.

I am enjoying Caroline Fleming, Sophie and Adela. 

Jules does look so much better this season, but I need to disabuse Jules of the notion that she's the cool mom. In fact, referring to herself as the cool mom means that you are barred from being the cool mom in perpetuity. Biking, JUB ball making, spirulina using Jules, Viscountess of Sandwich, is never going to be cool. Jules is cooler this season, but she's not cool. Those pastel dresses weren't particularly flattering on her daughter. They were what Tom & Lorenzo call 10 year old faded bra colors.

Juliet still has such terrible style. Based on how they were sitting in the cab, I assumed that Caroline was the person on the right in the walking shot into Marissa's party. I gasped because I couldn't believe that Stanbury would wear such hideous shoes. Then the shot continued up and revealed that Juliet was wearing the fug shoes. All was right with the world.

Cem is so reasonable. Why is he married to Stanbury?

Stanbury is pissed that she has to move to Dubai. She angry that this isn't some ancient culture where slaves were killed and buried with their dead masters. You could tell how gleeful she was recounting that Rania wanted to follow her to Dubai. She literally wants her friends' lives to stop until she can return to London. Her anger at Adela is about Adela forming friendships independent of Caroline.

3 hours ago, Thumper said:

Did Caroline S. just decide on her own that Marissa was spreading rumors about her?  I was not following her logic.

Failure to lay a proper foundation. I couldn't figure out where that came from. Stanbury isn't savvy enough about reality TV to pull the details from Luke. Luke kept saying the women were wondering. Who was wondering? Where did they discuss this? When did this happen? Also when does Caroline let Luke leave so that he can talk to other people? Absent any substantive details, Stanbury's accusation feels petty, jealous, and sour.

I loved CarFlem's maid responding to CarFlem's nattering with disinterested beleaguered "yeses."

Edited December 28, 2016 by HunterHunted

[Lizzing]

Add me to the group of people wondering where Caroline S. got the notion Marissa was starting the rumors about her fleeing to Dubai to escape lawsuits.  I mean, last year, I could totally see Marissa stirring shit up; however, at this point in the season I just don't see her having the time or the inclination to go after CStan.  Maybe it was Hair Guy Luke really stoking the rumor mill and laying the blame elsewhere.

I was SO GLAD they finally explained that Julie's two older kids were from her first marriage.  I knew they weren't with Luke because the younger two are so fair blonde, and the time line didn't add up.  But until this ep, I never could figure if they were Julie's or Luke's from a prior marriage.  I honestly thought last season that they were Luke's kids from a prior relationship because Julie just read as "step mom" to those kids to me.  Nothing I can tangibly cite to, but I just got that feeling.  Either way, her daughter is cute and kind of reminds me of Daisy Ridley.

[biakbiak]

So when during her months and months of bed rest was she sitting around with Luke aND the girls gossiping with the girls and Luke? Also, what Luke said was extremely vague, Caroline's reaction was ridiculous. As was her, I should be able to do the worst thing amd my family and close friends should just blindly defined me. I am all for having someone's back but Caroline's expectations for being able to knowingly act like a gigantic bitch and have other people support that behavIor is just insane.

I wonder if Caroline was surprised when she watched the show and saw Matt and Marissa talk openly about the issues with Boujis because she seemed to think she was spilling something in her TH. Marissa's party took place at Eclipse which is another of Matt's clubs. 

[Rosebud1970]

6 hours ago, Pickles said:

I also don't understand why Caroline S. seems to have it in for Marissa. At this point, Caroline pretty much has an ax to grind with everyone. How will she survive in Dubai without her hairdresser guy by her side constantly?

Yes. It's like she's pushing everyone away in advance of the move. I don't quite understand the psychology of it. But it seems like she's scorching the earth she's leaving behind.

[Pickles]

Interesting how Caroline S. has to continually bring up how she will have a 13,000 sq ft home in Dubai and some flashy car. It seems as though she wants people to know that even though she won't be in London, she will still be above everyone else. Just a wee bit insecure? She's probably trying to convince herself too, that Dubai will be a good move--I will have the most fabulous home and car! I hope she is not as horribly miserable and mean to her children as she is to her friends.

[Linny]

Oh my, I didn't realize Adela had so many issues. Things must have been pretty bad if her children don't want to be around her. I hope she stays sober and that she can repair her relationship with her kids. 

Just when I'm close to liking Marissa, she goes and laughs about how gossipy she is. "I'm enjoying watching the drama from the sidelines!" Okay, but maybe don't say that to Caroline? Maybe don't tell her that you're entertained by her interpersonal drama? 

Caroline Fleming's family estate is beautiful. I want to go to Denmark now. I liked hearing her say that she needs to work to support her family. Even though she's privileged and comes from royalty, she works hard and isn't some pampered twit. I like her more and more.

Julie's family seems lovely and normal. I'm so glad they finally explained the situation about her kid's fathers, because I had been wondering.

[b2H]

I'm getting close to bailing on the show.  For one thing, without a DVR, it's hard to catch this show (I don't have a DVR when I'm in Connecticut, but I do in Wisconsin - hotels in general have no taping capacity).  I've looked all over the Bravo schedule and there are two broadcasts of these episodes - one for East coast and one for West.  With the number of times Housewives episodes are re-done, one would think this show would get at least one more viewing.

In any case, Stanbury can just go sit down and shut up.  She's an awful person, attacking with minimal evidence. 

[HunterHunted]

38 minutes ago, b2H said:

I'm getting close to bailing on the show.  For one thing, without a DVR, it's hard to catch this show (I don't have a DVR when I'm in Connecticut, but I do in Wisconsin - hotels in general have no taping capacity).  I've looked all over the Bravo schedule and there are two broadcasts of these episodes - one for East coast and one for West.  With the number of times Housewives episodes are re-done, one would think this show would get at least one more viewing.

In any case, Stanbury can just go sit down and shut up.  She's an awful person, attacking with minimal evidence. 

If you have a cable box, you should be able to watch the episode on demand. I have a Roku and episodes usually load less than 12 hours after they've aired on Bravo. 

[bichonblitz]

1 hour ago, b2H said:

In any case, Stanbury can just go sit down and shut up.  She's an awful person, attacking with minimal evidence. 

Yup, and it really pissed me off how Adela caved while talking to her and ended up in a heap of tears. I know she is hurting over her own personal issues, but damn woman, don't fall apart in front of that stone cold glacier. Save it for a real friend who really cares.  This is why Stanbury gets away with her shit. She has some kind of sick power over people. I would have never, ever let that woman see me fall apart like that.

[AliceGoodDay]

2 hours ago, b2H said:

I'm getting close to bailing on the show.  For one thing, without a DVR, it's hard to catch this show (I don't have a DVR when I'm in Connecticut, but I do in Wisconsin - hotels in general have no taping capacity).  I've looked all over the Bravo schedule and there are two broadcasts of these episodes - one for East coast and one for West.  With the number of times Housewives episodes are re-done, one would think this show would get at least one more viewing.

In any case, Stanbury can just go sit down and shut up.  She's an awful person, attacking with minimal evidence. 

I don't have cable, but watch the show on Amazon Prime. You can also get it on ITunes. $2.99 on Amazon.

[booboopbedoo]

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I'm unclear about Fleming's grand estate.  I thought she had owned her family estate at some point, and lost it due to her husband's nationality.  But now she owns this estate in her own right.  Makes me think she got it in the divorce.  I'm finding her more likable than the few episodes I caught last season.

Some things cannot be transferred or sold- they are basically Danish Heritage/Monuments and the Flemmings run them etc....

I wonder if Caroline S. Was ashamed that she lost her business and wanted to move? Or maybe perfect Hubby was screwing around?

Someone throw some water on her!!!

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, booboopbedoo said:

Some things cannot be transferred or sold- they are basically Danish Heritage/Monuments and the Flemmings run them etc....

I wonder if Caroline S. Was ashamed that she lost her business and wanted to move? Or maybe perfect Hubby was screwing around?

Someone throw some water on her!!!

Yeah Rory just paid for the renovations he never owned it, Caroline's dad did deed her the property,

I think the reason that Caroline agreed to move is that Dubai is more "glamorous" than Kazakhstan were Cem used to work. 

[teapot]

53 minutes ago, AliceGoodDay said:

I don't have cable, but watch the show on Amazon Prime. You can also get it on ITunes. $2.99 on Amazon.

Xfinity TV GO app is my jam!!!  The ipad or phone screen's a little small, but it's gotten me through many a lunch hour!

[RedheadZombie]

Is Stanbury's husband's name pronounced "Chem"?  It sounded like she was saying Gem at first.

I've started to think Luke is Stanbury's hired bitch when she's filming.  Why was he just hanging in her kitchen?  Why is he allowed to call Stanbury's supposed friend, "the bag lady"?  Why do neither of them care that they are saying this on film?

[OnceSane]

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

Is Stanbury's husband's name pronounced "Chem"?  It sounded like she was saying Gem at first.

It's Cem, pronounced like "stem" but without the "t".

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I've started to think Luke is Stanbury's hired bitch when she's filming.  Why was he just hanging in her kitchen?  Why is he allowed to call Stanbury's supposed friend, "the bag lady"?  Why do neither of them care that they are saying this on film?

Neither of them care what they're saying on film because Stanbury is a terribly self-absorbed person and Luke has bills to pay.

Season 2 is when we got a sense of how terrible Stanbury was. Her company, Gift Library, was failing. It's possible that she was really troubled by Gift Library failing and her employees being let go, but she did a shit job conveying that. She kept chomping on her candy in her million dollar office and had Rania tell the staff they were fired while Stanbury went skiing. Which she instagrammed.

[kassa]

I still like Marissa, and enough with mommy shaming her.  Craving a few hours or even days' distraction is not a crime after months of confinement to bed and a very traumatic physical ordeal. The baby was well cared for (and in one talking head it even sounded like they were taking the baby WITH them, and it was only the one child who was staying home).  Loved the scene where the boy told his dad to keep his hands to himself and she and her husband looked at each other and laughed -- very real, very loving moment captured.

Caroline "I  still haven't gotten over the ordeal of boarding school" Stansbury. sent her daughter (and first born child) to boarding school?  I assume that from the fact that we didn't even know she had a daughter until this season, followed by a comment she made that the daughter had not been at home since the boys were born or young or something.  She's not that old herself, which means she was sent off when she was 7 or 8?  Okaaaay, then. EDIT:  biakbiak corrected me -- it was Cem who hadn't been home. Nevermind /Emily Litella

Edited December 29, 2016 by kassa

[biakbiak]

7 minutes ago, kassa said:

made that the daughter had not been at home since the boys were born or young or something.

She said Cem hadn't been home since the kids were born not Yasmin. He has obviously been home since then but she meant he didn't work in London and spent a lot of time in Kazakhstan.

Edited December 29, 2016 by biakbiak

[kassa]

Ah, okay.  Misheard it!  

[sugarbaker design]

On 12/28/2016 at 1:26 AM, Lizzing said:

I was SO GLAD they finally explained that Julie's two older kids were from her first marriage. 

Same here, but 5 minutes before I was noticing how much Emma looks like Luke!  Her stepfather!

[izabella]

Is Yasmin really Caroline's daughter?  I got the impression she was Cem's, but that Caroline was not her mom, just from the detached way Caroline was talking about her.  And if she is Caroline's daughter, why wasn't she with Cem and Yasmin when those pics were taken?  I'm so confused.

[biakbiak]

12 minutes ago, izabella said:

Is Yasmin really Caroline's daughter?  I got the impression she was Cem's, but that Caroline was not her mom, just from the detached way Caroline was talking about her.  And if she is Caroline's daughter, why wasn't she with Cem and Yasmin when those pics were taken?  I'm so confused.

Yes, Yasmine is Caroline's daughter. She is 10 and Cem and Caroline were married in 2004, the pics were from a father/daughter trip to Paris that they took. She is detached when talking to all of her kids when he son was having a meltdown she simply told him to not ruin her ottoman. 

Edited December 29, 2016 by biakbiak

[HunterHunted]

29 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Yes, Yasmine is Caroline's daughter. She is 10 and Cem and Caroline were married in 2004, the pics were from a father/daughter trip to Paris that they took. She is detached when talking to all of her kids when he son was having a meltdown she simply told him to not ruin her ottoman. 

But you know Stanbury is going to send those kids to boarding school in England whenever they turn 12 or 13 because that's just what's done in their social circle. Plus there is no way that she'd be cool with having teens in the house day in and day out. She'd lose her mind.

[TheFinalRose]

Wow, Juliet really has no storyline or air time this season. Was she just that boring? She's really been demoted. 

Marissa's husband sounded like he had the post-partum depression: we go to the same restaurants, go out with the same people, vacation in the same places.  They look like they have millions of dollars but he sounds bored and unhappy. Seven-year itch?

Those dresses that Julie's daughter was trying on were fug. They didn't look like something an 18-year-old would wear at all. But I liked seeing her and her dad joking around. Julie's husband actually seems normal ... and Julie sounds like a food nazi. By the way, did anyone else notice that when Julie's daughter opened the kitchen cabinet it was completely empty inside except for one or two mugs? They must have moved out and were just filming a few scenes in that kitchen, because no way in that small of a house with four kids would there be a completely empty kitchen cabinet.

As for Caroline S. this episode, I just assumed she heard that Marissa was talking about her through other sources not filmed for the show. She didn't strike me as any more witchy this episode than she has been historically. I did notice, however, that she had a talking head with longer hair that was brown (gasp!), not all blonde. That must have been recently filmed because it stood out from her other talking heads.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, TheFinalRose said:

 

Marissa's husband sounded like he had the post-partum depression: we go to the same restaurants, go out with the same people, vacation in the same places.  They look like they have millions of dollars but he sounds bored and unhappy. Seven-year itch?

He had to close his most popular club, his wife was on bedrest for many months which even with staff changed their home life, and his wife and daughter the lives/health of his wife and child were touch and go so he has had a tough year, a change of location seems like a fairly natural response.

[TheFinalRose]

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He had to close his most popular club, his wife was on bedrest for many months which even with staff changed their home life, and his wife and daughter the lives/health of his wife and child were touch and go so he has had a tough year, a change of location seems like a fairly natural response.

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Gosh not to me. I know plenty of people who have been through worse years or experiences (life or death situations, actual death of a spouse/parent with young families, jail, failure, long-term illnesses) and none of them packed up and left post-difficulty. That's why his reaction seemed surprising to me.

Maybe it's related to the fact that Marissa said her husband had always lived a charmed life. Now that he's experiencing some failure (with the clubs closing) it looks a little bit like what Caroline S. was accused of doing -- running away from their failures.

[biakbiak]

Apparently according to her twitter they will be splitting their time between London and LA. He still has business in LA and clubs around the world. I don't think it's running away from their problems it's just events can make you examine what you want in life. They both have family that lives in the state. He had expressed a desire to move to the states before this year and they clearly have the means, their new house is in the Pacific Palisades.

As for Caroline the only people that has stated that even in TH that she is running away is Luke and Caroline so I am not buying it.

Edited December 30, 2016 by biakbiak

[crgirl412]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

Apparently according to her twitter they will be splitting their time between London and LA. He still has business in LA and clubs around the world. I don't think it's running away from their problems it's just events can make you examine what you want in life. They both have family that lives in the state. He had expressed a desire to move to the states before this year and they clearly have the means, their new house is in the Pacific Palisades.

As for Caroline the only people that has stated that even in TH that she is running away is Luke and Caroline so I am not buying it.

Maybe she'll be the Housewives of Beverly Hills after Dorit is a one- season girl!  Her husband even looks like Mauricio Umanskey (husband to BH Housewife Kyle Richards) 

Edited December 30, 2016 by crgirl412

[TheFinalRose]

10 hours ago, biakbiak said:

They both have family that lives in the state. He had expressed a desire to move to the states before this year and they clearly have the means, their new house is in the Pacific Palisades.

 

 

That makes a difference then. Of course, Bravo doesn't show us that. 

[Irritable]

Caroline F. is so fascinating to me, and I mean that in the best possible way.  I wish I were more like her. 

Caroline S. is so yucky to me, and I'm so glad that I'm nothing like her.

[Sun-Bun]

On 12/30/2016 at 0:12 AM, crgirl412 said:

Maybe she'll be the Housewives of Beverly Hills after Dorit is a one- season girl!  Her husband even looks like Mauricio Umanskey (husband to BH Housewife Kyle Richards) 

I'm left to wonder if this is this show's final season---the reviews/ratings have been lousy, the breakout star of this show, Caroline S., won't even be living in London anymore((while Marissa will only be there part-time)) and the other gals are just beyond boring this year. Hell, ratty Julia got demoted for whiny Julie and all her Mapperton woes....this just feels like the last hurrah for the entire cast.

[Lizzing]

On 12/29/2016 at 4:11 PM, TheFinalRose said:

By the way, did anyone else notice that when Julie's daughter opened the kitchen cabinet it was completely empty inside except for one or two mugs? They must have moved out and were just filming a few scenes in that kitchen, because no way in that small of a house with four kids would there be a completely empty kitchen cabinet.

Yeah, that was odd.  It could be that they've moved most stuff down to Mapperton.  Or it could be that Julie burned all the other cups, plates, and bowls, given how she couldn't even heat milk for hot chocolate last season.  If she had any marketing sense, she'd put overstock from the Mapperton gift shop in her London house and make sure it's in every shot, a la Skinnygirl.

On 12/29/2016 at 11:12 PM, crgirl412 said:

Maybe she'll be the Housewives of Beverly Hills after Dorit is a one- season girl!  Her husband even looks like Mauricio Umanskey (husband to BH Housewife Kyle Richards) 

I'll take Marissa over Dorit every day of the week.  Hell, I'd take the original BH Marisa over Dorit!   OTOH, maybe Marisa Zanuck should be on LoL to keep up with the double name trends: two Lukes, two Carolines, a Julie & Juliette so why not double Maris(s)as? ;)

[rho]

On 12/28/2016 at 5:22 PM, RedheadZombie said:

Is Stanbury's husband's name pronounced "Chem"?  It sounded like she was saying Gem at first.

She is saying it correctly. I don't know how to spell it phonetically but from having Turkish friends I know the "c" is pronounced more like a "j" or almost a soft "jz" like the French.

[sugarbaker design]

On 1/1/2017 at 4:02 AM, Lizzing said:

two Lukes

Two  Lukes?  Besides Stanbury's snarky sidekick?  Who am I forgetting?

Nevermind!  Just went to Google and discovered I forgot Julie's husband!

Edited January 6, 2017 by sugarbaker design
answered my own question

[sasha206]

This could be my own ignorance, but if you are breastfeeding, should you be going out and getting plastered?  I guess she pumped out breast milk maybe enough so the alcohol gets out of the system?

In any case, I used to link Marissa.  Now I find her insufferable.  Her voice, her awful hair, the TMI.  

[mauledbypandas]

I used to love Caroline S. as I can be a tough, unemotional b. like her.  However, this season she's just plain MEAN!  I think she is taking out her misery on everyone else.  What a narcissist.

 

I adore Caroline F. and her running through her castle.  That estate is HUGE!!!!  I wonder if she and her dad did not get along for awhile because she reminded him too much of her mother, whom he seemed to have loved v. much? (besides not agreeing with the nontraditional lifestyle choices)

[OnceSane]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

This could be my own ignorance, but if you are breastfeeding, should you be going out and getting plastered?  I guess she pumped out breast milk maybe enough so the alcohol gets out of the system?

You can drink if you're breastfeeding, just not at the same time. ;)  Most moms either wait the 3-4 hours it takes for the breast milk to clear of alcohol, or they pump and dump (use a breast pump after drinking and dump the milk produced).  There are even test strips you can buy to make sure your breast milk is clean.

[sasha206]

21 minutes ago, OnceSane said:

You can drink if you're breastfeeding, just not at the same time. ;)  Most moms either wait the 3-4 hours it takes for the breast milk to clear of alcohol, or they pump and dump (use a breast pump after drinking and dump the milk produced).  There are even test strips you can buy to make sure your breast milk is clean.

Ah thanks.  I figured it was my own ignorance!

But she still annoys me!  ;)